User talk:Saizai

If you want to know about me, I'd recommend looking at my website.

--Sai ¿? ✍ 19:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

A welcome from Kaleissin
Hi, Saizai, nice seeing you on wikipedia. There's lots of other places than just conlangs where you can contribute so dive in, be bold and remember that all must be verifiable.

Here's some useful links:
 * The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
 * Simplified Ruleset
 * What Wikipedia is not

--Kaleissin 14:45:28, 2005-08-29 (UTC) (PS: voting on conlangs has started)

Constructed language
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This American Life: Background Music
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About Phone evangelism...
I've been trying to improve the Approaches to evangelism article for awhile now, and I was wondering, you wouldn't happen to know of any other sources besides the WOTM radio broadcasts for phone fishing? It's just that as it stands, I don't think the WOTM radio broadcasts are notable enough on their own to exibit this approach to evangelism, and i'll have to go look for more stuff on my own later if you don't perhaps know of anything. Homestarmy 15:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't know of any others, but WOTM is pretty notable IMO. I'm an agnostic and I'm familiar with what they do. O.o Perhaps it should be bundled into some more general 'fishing' subheading? --Sai Emrys 04:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, until I did a google search on the topic, I didn't know very much about it, but this particular kind of evangelism seems to just have to do with phones and phone-like communication devices. However, it does seem to be much more widely practiced that I thought before... Homestarmy 23:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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 * Comment. I've tried my usual sources and not found this. I will try some older ones eventually, and I'll let you know if I find anything. What is needed is a good index to printed pornography. (smile)DGG 20:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Deaf
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Wikiproject Constructed Languages tagging
I find it problematic that you are tagging a number of general linguistic articles with the wikiproject constructed languages banner - firstly wpcl is a daughter project of Wikiproject Languages, secondly the articles only have marginal relevance for the wpcl whereas they are fully relevant for inclusion in WPLanguages. It seems to me that since any aspect of language has some kind of relevance for constructed languages all language related articles will end up tagged with both the wpcl tag and the wpl tag - this is inefficient. There must be a better way to do it. A constructed languages parameter could be included in the wp-languageges banner which could simply be added as yes or no. Or better yet you could just include all articles tagged for wikiproject languages and WPlinguistics in the wpcl category without tagging for it specifically. It seems overkill to tag every linguistics related article several times for wikiproject languages, wikiproject linguistics and wikiproject constructed languages. ·Maunus· · ƛ · 22:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with you wrt the general linguistics articles - please feel free to implement any of your suggested modifications. But I would say that conlang specific articles (e.g. ones on conlangs, conlang typology, conlangers, etc) should get the specific tag. Does that work? Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  22:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Another option - use this style format:
 * Sai Emrys  ¿?   ✍  23:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sai Emrys  ¿?   ✍  23:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Conlang specific articles should have the tag of course. If you can convince the members of project languages to add such a nested option you could do that as well.·Maunus· · ƛ · 07:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems that you were only complaining that it would over-bulk the discussion page header. I just checked - the only (I think?) general-linguistics pages I modified were those on basic typologies. And they're not tagged as WP:Lang. So, basically, I don't understand the reason for your objection. Please reexplain / rephrase? Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  07:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed you tagging Polysynthetic languages, Whistled languages and Agglutinative languages which I don't think fall under Project Constructed languages first and foremost - but rather under WP languages or WP linguistics. It is true that they are not currently carrying banners from these wp's but it seems to me to be weird to include them in wpcl instead of one of these two other projects since they have much more relevenace to either of them than to wpcl AND since wpcl is a daughter project of wpl.·Maunus· · ƛ · 10:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Then don't have it *instead*, have it *in addition*. :) I agree that WP:Lang is more relevant, but your argument is basically that it's tagged WP:CL and not WP:Lang therefore WP:CL seems pragmatically more relevant... the solution is to tag it with WP:Lang too. Why double-tag? a) WP:CL and WP:Lang have different editors. b) They also have different priorities. This seems like both a simpler and more compatible solution, that still addresses your underlying concern. If you agree, please tag 'em WP:Lang; if not, please explain. Thanks! Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  10:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My main concern is the general overusage of WP banners by all kinds of small wp's. Some article - not those tagged by you at the moment are tagged by up to six different projects. This is annoying when trying to acces a talk page. My concern is to minimize the number of wp:banner taggings per page. this can be done by only tagging for the higher level projects or by nesting banners and having yes/no options whenever it is a possibility. It can also be done by some projects simply not using banners but by using a category instead which is less intrusive on the talk page (that is what we do in WP:ENLANG). if you don't share my concern about preventing overcluttering of talk pages then that is fine. I was only asking you to consider other possibilities.·Maunus· · ƛ · 10:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I can understand the annoyance. What I do when I find a talk page that has more than one other project tag (sometimes even so) is to use the WikiProjectBannerShell. It's about the same size as a project tag, and fits all of 'em. I think it's a fairly reasonable compromise between unclutteredness and tagging. Basically, I believe that tags should be added where applicable, and that display-cruft is a separate matter - of *display* - that should be dealt with using collapsing forms, wrappers, smaller text, and the like. As it doesn't seem that you have any problem with the tagging per se so much as the clutter induced by a bunch of project boxes, I *think* this addresses the issue at hand. I'd suggest the same for WP:ENLANG. Hopefully I am understanding you correctly & directly addressing your concern? Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  10:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * using the nested option is good. Our reasoning in Wp:Enlang however is that we don't really need a banner. ·Maunus· · ƛ · 12:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Who knows, maybe it'll help raise awareness? I hope that you guys at least have some sort of article-page template to flag endangered languages...? Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  12:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Damin
Hi Saizai,

Just to let you know, Damin is not an international conlang, as you'd tagged it, and the Lardil would insist it's not a conlang at all, though linguists suspect it is (conlang, that is, not international). kwami 05:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I was going from Portal:Constructed languages - see the sidebar list of IALs. I am not familiar with Damin myself, so can't offer any opinion on its categorization. I'd suggest simply that you raise this issue on the Portal talk page and recategorize it as you feel is appropriate; just try to make sure that it's consistently categorized across the portal, WP:CL categories, lists of conlangs, and conlang-typology pages. Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  07:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Saizai.
Just saying hi. --Qang (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry for troubling you
I want to apologize for undoing your hard work. When I first started the Esperanto task force (ETF) a few weeks ago, I noticed that the infobox for WikiProject Constructed languages displayed only "class" and not "importance." Although I included the "importance" element when I did the majority of my tagging of Esperanto-related articles, I became suspicious that it was the reason the ETF tag was functioning improperly. In the last few days, as I have been trying to resolve the problem (which, specifically, is that articles tagged with the ETF tag are not automatically filed in the categories that I have created for the task force), I removed the "importance" element of about five articles to see if that was the problem (it didn't seem to be). In response to your message, I have reverted all of the changes that I made. I apologize again for inconveniencing you. However, maybe you can help me with the problem I have been trying to resolve. I believe that it is being caused by bad coding in Template:WP conlangs. If you know how to make the ETF tag automatically categorize the already-tagged articles into the proper category (Category:Esperanto task force articles), your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and patience. I hope that continued communication will enhance both of our projects. Again, I'm very sorry for getting in your way. Please forgive me. TFCforever (talk) 22:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * *laugh* No need to be quite so contrite; we're working together here.
 * I'll take a look at the ETF tag and see if I can fix it, though I have to confess that WP template coding is not one of my strengths (else I wouldn't have messed up WP conlangs sandbox in trying to add importance handling). FWIW, you can add whatever extra variables you want to a template; if they're not used, nothing will happen. At present, importance isn't used, so nothing that depends on it will happen. It doesn't hurt though, just sits there unused.
 * I've tried getting some help from WP:Template requests but without success. Perhaps you could try finding someone who's coded a template that has similar features - e.g. the one for WP Sexuality - and see if they can help us out?
 * Thanks, Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  01:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ :) Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  01:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much!
Thank you so much for all your help on the Conlangs template! I had been trying to figure out the problem for a couple of weeks, and I really wasn't sure what to do. Without your help, I may never have solved it. I just can't explain how much you helped me on this problem! Thank you so much! TFCforever (talk) 04:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, thank you. I tried doing this earlier and failed. The way I solved it this time was by working off of the code that you added - which let me figure out how the template code works and thus how I could add the Importance variable by hand, rather than the kludgy splicing I'd tried earlier. In any case, whee it's done.
 * If you're interested, WP:CL could use help - see its todo list. For starters, many of the articles linked from P:CL - and other articles, categories, etc that ought to be within our domain - are still not tagged with both conlang#REDIRECT, Infobox language (where relevant), and WP conlangs, and thus likely to get missed by the project. Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  04:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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Out-of-control deletion
Hi, Saizai.

Is there anything that can be done about the activities of over-acting deletors? Amir E. Aharoni seems to be on a crusade - Britheneg, for example, is one of the best conlangs ever invented - a wonderfully sophisticated conception of what a British romance language might look like. Regarding Slovio (also highly respected in the auxlang community), he seems to be trying to get it off every other language's wikis! Schaeffer seems to be his lapdog - even though his speciality is articles on "professional" wrestling!

I would also mention Kotava, which is a respected conlang in France, which was eliminated by others. It is one of the few conlangs to get an ISO tag.

The fight to save Lingua Franca Nova's mention in wikipedia really upset me. To have years of work denigrated by a couple of young punks who just don't like other people's interests is pretty disheartening. Very much against what I thought wikipedia was all about.

The other day, in a moment of boredom, I looked up who was born on my birthday. Once you get into the 20th century, it's mostly minor sports figures and - wait for it - porn stars. Thank God for Martin Luther King Jr! And the conlangers are the ones attacked? Come on. Cgboeree (talk) 13:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's a problem. I don't know re Schaeffer (and would say that describing anyone as a lapdog or criticizing their other interests is rarely helpful). Keeping WikiProject Constructed languages/Edit wars and deletions updated will help some. My own opinions are at Conlangs/Sai%27s_two_cents.
 * I suggest you take a look at / participate in the couple discussions I've started on CONLANG-L (e.g. this); there are relatively few ways to address this. Let me know what you think of what I proposed there. May also help to start similar discussions elsewhere; don't know what fora you frequent.
 * Hope that helps, and that we can beat this one way or another. Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  00:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

about the Artificial intelligence -> stupidity, ignorance, and laziness
Hy there. Can you tell me few things because I cant understand exactly what you mean.

How those methods of solving problems are limitations to AI. You are trying to say that humans cant implement in AI those methods and are specific only to humans? Raffethefirst (talk) 14:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * They are not "limitations" exactly (that was poor phrasing on my part), so much as complications that make it harder to solve a problem. I don't know where you got the idea of this being different for humans vs AI; humans have the same issues in problem solving (dealing with lack of knowledge, time, or ability to do something). Look up "intelligent agents" and "uncertainty" in any AI textbook for a version of the same, if not in those words. Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  01:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

3RR
3RR is about using common sense and discussion. It is not about bureaucracy.

And if you do want to use it as a bureaucratic rule, then you are wrong, too, as it says "three reverts within a 24-hour period", which is clearly not the case, but it is really not important. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Pot, kettle, black? Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  04:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 3RR is needed to promote stability, discussion and consensus and to prevent bloody revert wars. By its nature it is very technical and arbitrary. That's why i say that it's not important: at the end of the day content guidelines, even though they are called "guidelines" and not "policies" are more important than arbitrary rules, which are, indeed, good for administrators who act as cops - a thing which i do my best to avoid.


 * I saw what you wrote on the CONLANG-L mailing list. It actually makes a lot of sense. I acknowledge that there is a discrepancy between Wikipedia's guidelines about notability and verifiability, which try -very roughly- to follow established academic traditions which strive to cite peer-reviewed printed journals or at least popular newspapers and the nature of the publications in the conlanging community, which mostly live on personal websites and open mailing lists.


 * You propose three ways to deal with this - a. leave Wikipedia entirely, b. change Wikipedia's rules, c. make the publications of the conlanging community more notable. All three have some validity. Let me concentrate on b.: Changing Wikipedia's rules is not impossible! In fact, they change all the time!


 * Rewriting Conlangs and promoting it to an unofficial guideline will be good progress. Bringing WP:N and WP:V and WP:NOR closer to your vision of Wikipedia will be even better, but harder, but if you want progress there, you'll have to reach consensus on their respective talk pages and maybe the village pump. It won't be easy - there are much stricter deletionists than myself (and i don't even call myself a deletionist in the first place.) Yet you should try it, but remember that starting by saying that notability is bullshit won't get you far. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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list of paraphilias talk page
Hello...

Your edit here deleted a few paragraphs from the talk page, was that intentional or just an editing glitch?

Also, re your edit summary: "rv unexplained project link deletion - not my project, but there's no harm in it being here" - the reason I removed the PAW project is that it got added by mistake in my prior edit when I added a different project and that one got included by a copy/paste. If you look at the earlier history, you'll see that the PAW project was not previously there. You can keep it there if you want, it doesn't bother me, but I wanted to point out how it got there. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 22:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It was a mistake, as the edit log should show. (Occasionally - especially with large pages - some parts of the original are removed for some reason. I suspect one of my userscripts, but not sure which.) I immediately reverted it, though it took a few tries. If you diff my last edit to the one before it, you should see that the total is just an add.
 * I didn't know re the PAW project; given what you say, I'll undo my revert. Thanks for the explanation. Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  22:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's what I guessed, I just figured asking would be better than reverting... --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 02:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

*waves back*
Nice to see you around! Hope things are great! --Joe Decker (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

How to link to categories without displaying the category
I don't know if you figured this out on your own or if someone else helped you, but in case not, here's the answer:

When you want to place a page into a category, you surround the category name with two brackets, like this:
 * Category:Science fiction writers

But if you only want to link to the category, you can "disable" the image by inserting a colon after the first pair of brackets:
 * Category:Science fiction writers

This little trick works for images as well. Normally, if you want to include an image in a page, you just simply type a wikilink to that image. But if you want to link to the image itself, you must add a colon before the first letter of the link.'

I'm just bringing up this suggestion because I came across your Sally Caves subpage and thought that it might look better with that style of formatting. Nothing wrong with the way you're doing it now though.


 * Best wishes, Soap Talk/Contributions 00:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I did know that at some point, but indeed had totally forgotten about it. Thanks for the tip! Sai Emrys   ¿?   ✍  00:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, Saizai. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Language Creation Society".

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Do not edit articles on subjects in which you have a vested interest or you may be blocked from editing. Guy (Help!) 20:16, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * You reverted edits which mostly just tidied it up. Was there anything problematic about the content of those edits? Sai ¿? ✍ 20:32, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to propose updates on the talk page, but do not edit the article directly. Guy (Help!) 20:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Even for technical changes, purely neutral facts, typos, flow or the like? Those are not, AFAICT, prohibited by WP:COI, and I believe most if not all of what you reverted is of that form. Are you saying that if I make even changes that I believe to comply with policy, you will make me blocked? Sai ¿? ✍ 15:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please don't edit the article directly, even if you think the changes are small, technical, or satisfy NPOV. As one of the founders of LCS, you have a conflict of interest when it comes to editing that article. The COI makes it very difficult to determine when your edits are ok or not from a Wikipedia point of view, even if you mean well and even if you believe that you're doing the right thing. Proposing edits on the Talk page is the way Wikipedia guides editors with COIs. Ca2james (talk) 17:54, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

You can’t fix a ping
start a new post instead. Doug Weller talk 06:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Why is that? FWIW the correction was that 7&6=thirteen's username breaks the template because of the =, so it requires   rather than   . Should I have deleted the ping with one edit and re-added it with a second, rather than editing it to add the  1= ?
 * Where/how does the ping actually get triggered? (I never understood that part of it; it's weird for a template to cause an effect outside the page affected [or categories etc].) Sai ¿? ✍ 15:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * See Notifications and Help:Fixing failed pings. Doug Weller  talk 17:05, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Judge Levin Campbell
Hi and thank you for all your recent edits.

I saw that you recently removed Judge Levin H. Campbell from the list of senior judges currently serving on the First Circuit, because he is no longer listed on the court's webpage. While this is an understandable change for you to have made, I'm not sure it is consistent with how we treat other federal judges who, like Campbell, have taken senior status but after awhile have stopped having chambers in the courthouse and no longer hear cases.

Although Judge Campbell has not heard any cases for several years, he is still listed as a senior judge of the First Circuit on the Federal Judicial Center's list of judges of that court, as well as in his entry in the official Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. This reflects that he is still officially designated as a "senior status" judge rather than a fully "retired" judge. It is possible that Judge Campbell, who is now 92 years old, has been certified as disabled and unable to continue to hear cases, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 371(e)(1)(E), although I have not been able to verify this. It is also possible he has just voluntarily agreed to stop hearing cases (and to stop receiving his salary), but not to formally retire.

In any event, Judge Campbell has not officially retired from service, which would have been announced in the FJC newsletter and would be reflected in the Biographical Directory. Since the retirement of a senior judge does not create a vacancy that needs to be filled (that happens when the judge moves from active to senior status), there is no pressure on the judges to formally retire, even when they decide (or are forced) to stop hearing cases. As some point it will be determined that they no longer want or need the other accoutrements of the judgeship, such as chambers and law clerks and a listing on the court's website, but that is not the same as their officially having retired.

From a practical point of view, it is almost a metaphysical question: if a person has the title "judge" but no longer performs any judicial duties or hears any cases, at what point is he or she no longer a "judge"? But we need to be careful in reclassifying judges who are inactive as no longer being judges. An example is the case of Judge Michael Boudin, also of the First Circuit, who stopped hearing cases several years ago. (My assumption is that he suffered from some sort of illness or disability, although I have not been able to verify it.) He continued to have the status of "senior circuit judge" (and unlike Campbell, continued to be listed on the court's website), but literally years went by without his participating in the court's work. But last year, to my surprise, he resumed some judicial activity including authoring or joining in several First Circuit opinions (although I don't believe he's participated in oral arguments). I'm also under the impression that Judge Campbell is just one of many circuit and district judges who are inactive, but still remain in senior status and have not retired, and I don't think there's a precedent for moving them from the senior judge to former judge categories.

This post is longer than I intended, but writing it has helped me clarify my thoughts, and I hope it will be of interest to you. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. I'm also pinging Safiel and BD2412, who are two of our most active editors on the judges' biographical articles, in case they have input. Best regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:44, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I would concur with the above sentiments. The easiest way of checking is to check FJC Bio, https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/campbell-levin-hicks . As you can see at the link, there is no termination date given for his service. As a comparison, lets use Faith S. Hochberg of the District of New Jersey, who did outright retire, her link being https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/hochberg-faith-s . Note that her entry concludes with "Service terminated on March 6, 2015, due to retirement." If the Judge's FJC Bio entry does not indicate them being retired, they should remain on the senior judge lists, even if they are no longer performing duties. Safiel (talk) 01:04, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Per the above, a judge is a judge until the termination of their service, which is a legally recorded event. bd2412  T 01:11, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Campbell was replaced by Michael Boudin. See April 1992 judicial vacancies list. The FJC bios are not canonical; the court's own webpage listing its judges, and the vacancies list, are. Sai ¿? ✍ 13:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, but the fact that Campbell was succeeded by Boudin in 1992 does not mean that Campbell stopped being a judge at that time. When a federal judge moves from "active" to senior status, a successor is appointed to the judgeship (so the judge is "replaced" in that sense), but the judge can stay on the court and continue hearing cases, sometimes for decades, as Campbell did. In fact, here is a link to one of the many cases in which Campbell and Boudin served together on the same panel, so it cannot be the case that Campbell stopped being a judge when Boudin took office. (Also, the FJC's historical information is considered fairly authoritative; it is part of the administration of the federal judicial system, and would have prepared the 1982 vacancies list that you link to.) Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * How do you explain the fact that CA1 itself does not list him on its judges page - though it does list the other 4 senior judges? And archive.org has that page, w/ Campbell still not on it, back to ~2013. Surely the court is authoritative about its own composition. FWIW, I've emailed FJC about this to ask that they update their records (or explain); I believe this simply has gotten missed. I also emailed a clerk on CA1, who said the only info they could give me is that judges page. I grant that it isn't currently clear exactly why or when Campbell left, but I think it's very clear that he's not currently on the court, whereas the 10 judges listed (4 of whom are senior) are. Sai ¿? ✍ 14:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Category:Anti-LGBT politicians who were outed at CfD
Hey there. I listed Category:Anti-LGBT politicians who were outed, which you created, at Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 2. --George Ho (talk) 18:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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This is inappropriate. Not only is it factually wrong (I said nothing about Canadian law so how I am "incorrect as a matter of law" is beyond me, maybe you can explain), but it is inappropriate in terms of insinuation. Comparing a disagreement about whether sources actually say (see: WP:OR, in my original reply) Quinn is legally mononymous to transphobic demands of "proof" of gender change -- and going beyond comparison by saying it is just as disrespectful as those demands -- is inappropriate. You know what you're doing. Urve (talk) 03:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree that stating that something is disrespectful is "inappropriate". I didn't "insinuate" anything; I said exactly what I meant as clearly as I could. Please don't try to look for some ulterior meaning or the like; that simply isn't how I communicate. Sai ¿? ✍ 22:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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I followed the instructions for how to propose a merge. The target page didn't exist, and none of the current ones was suitable, so I made it. It can be deleted if the merge is rejected, but it does no harm to leave it be as a placeholder to hold that discussion. Sai ¿? ✍ 22:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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