User talk:Salemmaman

Speedy deletion nomination of Knowthyneighbor.org
A tag has been placed on Knowthyneighbor.org requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for web content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. mhking (talk) 02:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article appears to be merely promoting what appears to be a non-notable Web site, and does not have independent, verifiable sources that provide supporting information regarding its notability. --mhking (talk) 03:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ and anyone who bothers to read the article can see for themselves not only the notability of this group but can verify the many credible sources cited. The opposing group has been on wikipedia unmolested since 2007, the constant deletion of the KTN article seems akin to discrimination against GLBT groups.Salemmaman (talk) 03:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)salemmaman

Articles for deletion nomination of Knowthyneighbor.org
I have nominated Knowthyneighbor.org, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Knowthyneighbor.org. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. mhking (talk) 18:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I visited the link as you suggested and this was the only explanation you offered: "Self-promotion of margnially notable Web site". You say that I am welcome to edit the article to address these concerns, how does one rectify your claim that knowthyneighbor.org is marginally notable? I'd like to resolve this issue with you once and for all since I see this is not the first time you've nominated the article for deletion.Salemmaman (talk) 22:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I previously nominated the article for speedy deletion under WP standards regarding notability. My nomination was denied by an admin. Under the standard articles for deletion guidelines, I have requested a further review of the article's notability. I stand by my prior assessment, in which I feel it is not notable for inclusion in Wikipedia (which is why I have nominated the article under the AfD process), however, I will stand by whatever the consensus is after the AfD process is concluded. I mentioned previously that the article may be edited; I would suggest a review of the notability guidelines at WP:N as a place to start. --mhking (talk) 23:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Within Wikipedia, notability refers to whether or not a topic merits its own article. Articles should verify that they are notable, or 'worthy of notice'. It is important to note that topic notability on Wikipedia is not necessarily dependent on things like fame, importance, or the popularity of a topic—although those may contribute."


 * "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources."


 * "Wikipedia articles[1] should rely primarily on reliable, third-party, published sources (although reliable self-published sources are allowable in some situations - see below). Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. How reliable a source is depends on context. As a rule of thumb, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication. Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made; if an article topic has no reliable sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard for queries about the reliability of particular sources."


 * We have cited several news sources (Boston Globe, The Advocate, Bay Windows, The Chicago Free Press, The Seattle Times, The Associated Press) to verify the notability, how many would you be satisfied with? There are many more out there, let me know how I can help you see the value of keeping this article alive.Salemmaman (talk) 20:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I went through and brought up some of the news sources for this group so that the matter of notability could be settled:

KTN in the news:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/258391/ http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/12/22/petition_vs_gay_marriage_advances/ http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/10/05/lawmakers_to_air_complaints_about_marriage_petition_drive/ http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=MH&s_site=miami&p_multi=MH&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=12286B11795CF3A8&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=WO&p_theme=wo&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=117DB021F14A1E48&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/042809_Ark_Group_Wants_AntiGay_Petitioners_Kept_Secret http://www.winknews.com/news/local/15751107.html http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8RDFLA80.html http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=RM&p_theme=rm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=11322408666400C0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=PBEB&p_theme=pbeb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1128142D4162B4B0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=WO&p_theme=wo&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=10D3F4388BBE4D48&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2007/09/news09-04-07-02.shtml http://www.wickedlocal.com/brewster/archive/x563250007 http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=21122 http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/07-06/07-27-06/04state-region.htm http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=WO&p_theme=wo&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=10F1A1C9CF2C3378&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://www.kcby.com/news/9548102.html http://www.salemnews.com/punews/local_story_128094029 http://www.mywire.com/a/TheAdvocate/Aaron-Toleos-cool-gay-rights/5473217?extID=10051 http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=RO&p_theme=ro&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1159F88935CCD3C0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=39577&category=22101 http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/this_just_in/documents/05177324.asp http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2028.html http://www.gloucestertimes.com/puopinion/local_story_270093950?keyword=topstory http://it.peacereporter.net/articolo/5902/ http://www.eagletribune.com/puopinion/local_story_274093843?keyword=secondarystory http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/06/08/gloucester_lawyer_to_challenge_kerry/ http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-140148376.html http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060706/intimidation-tactics/index.html http://www.thecabin.net/stories/043009/opi_0430090022.shtml http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/11/08/gop_director_uses_web_to_liven_the_party/ http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=WO&p_theme=wo&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=116FDCA9CD5CD660&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/07-06/07-02-06/01state-region.htm http://www.americandaily.com/article/20034 http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/international/ticker/detail/Gays_accused_of_discrimination_in_US_resort_village.html?siteSect=143&sid=6911755&cKey=1153437754000 http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/101807/met_209423458.shtml http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid32973.asp http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=20763 http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ci=108&ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=17450 http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/6103.article http://www.innewsweekly.com/innews/?class_code=Ne&article_code=4211 http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=52013 http://www.worcestermag.com/archives/2006/01-05-06/worcesteria.html http://www.innewsweekly.com/innews/?class_code=Ne&article_code=2491 http://www.thebostonpilot.com/articleprint.asp?id=4583 http://www.queer.de/detail.php?article_id=5077 http://holebi.info/phpnews/kortnews.php?action=fullnews&id=3461 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-1718.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc3GBFn9_yY&feature=channel_page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVQNLgscFJk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIPGAJTAc2o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_SjFQXspqk&feature=channel   <====CNN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzgf7QSN3Qk&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGUaCpmEPU&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_YOzC5aSE&feature=channel   <====KTN advocates on newsSalemmaman (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, you have shown plenty of reliable sources. I am formally withdrawing my objections and requesting the AfD be speedy closed with a ruling of Keep. --mhking (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)