User talk:Salguod Sredneh

May 2021
Hello, I'm Ss112. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, When Doves Cry, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.  Ss  112   11:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Salguod Sredneh. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Around the World in a Day, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.  Ss  112   11:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As a thread has been started on your talk page, please keep the conversation in one place by replying here. First of all, as a reply to your message on my talk page, I did not revert the credit to say "Jim Warren painted the cover". I've read the liner notes. I know it's credited to Doug Henders, whether that is you just because you claim so or not. I only removed the unsourced assertion about the artist's inspiration and Prince giving pointers—this needs to be sourced. Secondly, and on that, Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. That means if you don't have an external news or other reliable source stating Henders did the mural in the video for "When Doves Cry", leave it out of the article. We operate on sources, not editors claiming they are the people spoken about on Wikipedia saying we should take it at their word that something is true. It's also considered a conflict of interest for you to edit pages that are about you or your work. Hence my warning above.  Ss  112   12:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

How do you cite a reliable source for a credit on a musical video? Really. See the album sleeve of Purple Rain. See the artist credit for the sleeve cited on the album. It is the same artwork. Do you take photo evidence? Send me a link and I will upload photo evidence. This artwork is not in question, except for the editor of this page. To what end?
 * Why would you need to personally send me "photo evidence"? I'm not interested in receiving personal confidence to verify something that needs to be published by a news source. If I didn't take issue with it already, another editor would have eventually because it is unsourced. You ask "How do you cite a reliable source for a credit on a musical video? Really" as if this is some outlandish concept or request, except music video credits are quite common—I could find music video credits for most songs in the top 40 now. Regardless, if this credit is in the liner notes for the Purple Rain album, you can and should cite the liner notes. If you don't know how to do that, please see WP:Citing sources. That being said, the liner notes would only state that Doug Henders did the artwork. They don't talk about the inspiration or history behind said artwork, which you inserted into the Around the World in a Day article. We would need a news source or interview with Henders for that to be included.  Ss  112   13:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

You or whomever created this page cited the wrong artist as having made the album cover for years! Where was your or other editors due diligence to correct this falsehood? I did it myself, not knowing the ins outs of Wikiworld. You ask "How do you cite a reliable source for a credit on a musical video? Yes, that is a valid question. IF you know about how cut throat the music business is, artists behind artists are routinely omitted from "official citations". The mural I created for When Doves Cry was a huge part of the video ending, with motion graphics creating psychedelic effects. The same mural was made into a stage curtain for the Purple Rain tour. The Face became Prince's logo for a period. Prince himself was ripped off by Warner Brothers and corrupt management to the degree he wrote "slave" on his face and changed his name to a pseudonym. How do you find credits on a 38 year old music video? I challenge you dear gatekeeper to seek the answer and correct the record. The mural did not appear by magic. Somebody created it. As for the inspiration behind the artwork of Around the World in a Day; that is what Prince fans want to know. It's what people contact me for years wanting to know, including members of the Revolution. This cover is as iconic as the music. The collective "We" would need a news source or interview with Henders for that to be included. Fine. You win. Anonymous Wikipedia editors have their own ego turf to protect with little regard for truth and relevant information. Yeah truth matters
 * I don't own Wikipedia. I'm not "gatekeeping" information, I reverted you for adding unsourced information, which is applying our most basic policy, WP:V. If you can't accept that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth and requires reliable sources to insert and keep claims on articles, that's not my problem, but your user talk page is not the most appropriate avenue for you to voice said concerns. I don't know how long the false claim about the other artist was there, but I am neither personally responsible for it nor the creation of the article. I have barely edited the article. Nobody is going to read your screed about "due diligence" and "ego turf" here. Now, I didn't ask you "How do you cite a reliable source for a credit on a musical video?" You asked me that. How do you not recall what you asked me in your previous reply typed only hours ago? I haven't looked around for credits for "When Doves Cry". Surely as it is a very well-known song from the 1980s, the credits for its music video are not that hard to find. Regardless, that's not a concern of mine. It's yours, because you're concerned about the information. It's not my responsibility to source information for you; the onus is on the editor adding the information per WP:BURDEN. This will be my final reply here, because I'm not interested in continuing this back-and-forth with you. I've explained what is needed to have the claim on the article—it's your choice if you refuse to listen.  Ss  112   20:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

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