User talk:SalseroW

Spamming
Please stop spamming the Salsa (dance) article. Wikipedia editors are expected to behave in a cooperative manner. Deleting someone's link so that you can push your own, and jamming yours to the top of the stack is not appropriate behavior. See Wikipedia's guidelines on conflicts of interest and link spam. —Largo Plazo (talk) 12:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. —Largo Plazo (talk) 12:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I didnt promote anything. That page is not commercial and its free of ads. First I deleted that page by mistake and then this guy just had to be first so he pushed me and this morning deleted my site. And I think he has ads on his site so theres promoting.


 * "He" didn't do anything. I did, and I explained why in my edit summaries. My reasons, as I explained them, are in keeping with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Wikipedia articles are maintained by ordinary editors like me, as well as administrators who perform more drastic actions like deleting or protecting articles and blocking users.


 * When I restored the other link, I placed it first because it was there first, not because I thought it was any better than yours. I didn't place yours at the bottom because it made sense for two video links to be together, but there was no reason for yours to be first. Therefore, when you pushed yours to the topic, I took it to be a promotional act, wanting to get top billing, and that isn't in the spirit of Wikipedia.


 * As for the ads on the other person's site, in my personal assessment they're minimal and fall within the realm of acceptability for an external link. See WP:LINKSTOAVOID: "Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising." But also read WP:EL, which applies directly to your case, assuming it's your site.


 * If you will put your link back underneath the other one, I'll let the matter drop. Otherwise, I'll pursue it here and see if we can obtain a consensus. Of course, no matter what I do, others are free to consider the matter independently of me. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

In my book, as in everyone elses. There`s a big difference in commercial and non-commerical sites. Persons who have ads on their sites are obviously reaping the benefits of being here in wikipedia. And that`s not in the spirit of Wikipedia I`m sure. Maybe I will contact someone else and see what they think of a commercial sites placed first? You sure you aren`t connected to the site in question?

Anyways, I`m willing to drop the thing as long as my link sticks.


 * I have no connection whatsoever to the site in question, I've explained my reasoning, and I've directed you to the applicable guidelines. I deleted an ever-increasing list of links to personal sites that were in this article when I first came across it, and replaced them with the DMOZ link that's there now, per Wikipedia recommendations for such cases. I left that one link because I felt it met the constraints as stated in the guideline to which I referred you and (the others mostly did not) and I thought it was valuable to supplement the article with one such source.


 * Keep in mind another one of the tenets in the guidelines, found in WP:What Wikipedia is not, that Wikipedia is not a repository of links, and we don't want the external links sections to grow out of control even if all the sites in them are worthwhile. (That's why I replaced a bunch with the DMOZ link.)


 * Perhaps your site would be a better single video link to have here, but as the guidelines say, you should seek a consensus for that on the article's Talk page and let someone else add the link or even replace the old one if a consensus for doing so emerges. That's the prescribed process. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I just discovered that where your comment above had said "for now", that was only after some IP user changed it. You had written "as long as my link sticks", and I've restored that above. Your attitude seems to be one of entitlement. The purpose of any content on Wikipedia should be to benefit Wikipedia's users, not to satisfy the interests or desires of the editor. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)