User talk:Salvio giuliano/Archive 61

Tatars
You may recall some time ago there was one Slovenian IP user who continually edit-warred in outdated terminology from the era of scientific racism into the Tatars article against talkpage consensus, provoking a rangeblock and semi-protection. These measures, however, have failed to deter this behaviour. Now he has created an account,, and is continuing the very same shenanigans. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 19:04, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeffed for tendentious editing; I apologise for the delay in responding... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 19:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Rope
"I am willing to consider" does not necessarily mean "I am willing to consider and think there is a good likelihood that I will accept". In fact, it may sometimes mean something more like "I am willing to hear from you, and consider what you say, but, in light of what I have seen so far, it seems very likely that anything you say will just confirm that the present situation is correct". There is, I think, no harm in giving someone a chance to demonstrate their innocence, on the off chance that they will succeed in doing so, even when that seems unlikely. I am also intrigued to know if the user will be able to give any answer at all to question 3. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the note! Regarding question 3, all his socks were tagged, so he was probably be referring to that... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 13:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for your ideas
Thank you for the information and links. My main concern is the edit revert and *block* of content by the administrator. Can I not appeal both? Right, I get that from what Sandstein says (he's also been very helpful with this stuff) appeals of warnings are not favored. Do you think I should just drop that from the appeal request? I'm not trying to cover the content dispute as a whole, only in the very narrow scope taht Fut.Perf.'s made special findings and editorial decisions about consensus and placing a revert and block on the article's infobox result. I'd be glad to not have any additional part in the infobox matter. What I object to is the lack of level playing field resulting from a couple particular special findings about content that Fut.Perf. made. Especially offensive was his editorial decision about a non-existent consensus which other users besides myself, including one who was supposed to have been part of the alleged consensus, deny. No evidence was ever presented about a consensus, and the only reason I bring it up here is Fut.Perf. made a special finding about that exact issue, I think a very unjust one that violates WP policy. Paavo273 (talk) 00:10, 9 February 2013 (UTC
 * Thanks for the clarification, Paavo. I have posted a follow-up on the case page. Cheers. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Question
Would you happen to know the link to the India caste discretionary sanctions boiler plate & were to log them please. And do these sanctions cover all article spaced in which castes are covered? Darkness Shines (talk) 10:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The sanctions cover a wider array of pages: all pages about social groups, be they castes, communities, tribes, clans, kootams, gotras etc., explicitly including caste associations and political parties related to India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal.. The log of sanctions is here, though, so far, it has been customary not to log warnings. And here's the template: . Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So content on rape culture in India which would obviously include castes are covered by this? Darkness Shines (talk) 14:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Uhm, no, I'd say that said article is not covered under WP:Castes, but, the part being edit warred in and out is probably covered under WP:ARBIPA. Please note, however, that this is just my opinion and that I'm not speaking with my Arb hat on. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Rephrase needed
Your comment [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FClarification_and_Amendment&diff=537536379&oldid=537518949 "I agree with you that we should reword the template and its documentation so that it's less clear."] didn't come out quite right (I hope). NE Ent 13:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * D'oh. You're right: that was a weird lapsus! Thanks for the message... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 13:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Another User: Mauricio93 sock
Hi Salvio

Another User: Mauricio93 sock has apparently reared its head: User: Mewakery2013. - MrX 14:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Mewakery2013 and Keriyu20 blocked and tagged. Thanks. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and sorry, but there seems to be a new one: Koryanc21. - MrX 23:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, that was confirmed as well. I see that he has already been blocked, though... That said, I ran a check for sleepers and there appears to be none. Cheers. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 13:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Another
Bolivia200 created 2019 Special Olympics World Summer Games. - MrX 16:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * and probably 181.156.243.61 working in concert on the same article. - MrX 16:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The named account is confirmed (and has been blocked); the privacy policy, unfortunately, prevents me from commenting on the IP... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 17:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * One more, I'm afraid: Chinesa21. I have updated the SPI case that I reopened this morning. - MrX 21:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the account is confirmed. Also, thanks for updating the SPI case.  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 22:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * A new sock, same article creation pattern: Honduras2002. - MrX 02:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. The unfortunate thing is that this socker keeps jumping from one range to the next, making an effective rangeblock difficult to impose... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 12:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And another: User:USA974 - MrX 17:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yay... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 17:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Here we go again: KOF98. - MrX 13:46, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Here's another Mauricio80 sock: Japanse90 and it's little IP duckling 181.149.168.120. I also logged at SPI. - MrX 18:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Possible Sock
Sopher99 (talk) 13:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was MAB. Steals, Bespirden and Vajazzled blocked and tagged. Cheers. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 13:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/JoshuSasori for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Obviously you aren't under investigation yourself. Just I mentioned your name in my comment and I figured I should let you know. If you want to post a comment I'm sure it would be welcome! elvenscout742 (talk) 01:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Sock?
appears to be a throwaway account created for the sole purpose of reverting a map change showing advances made by the Syrian rebels. There's also something.... chronically usual about the name as well. Not much diff evidence to go off of here, but something smells a bit fishy. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 19:22, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Salvio is presently inactive, so it is unlikely he will respond promptly to your concerns. You might like to try WP:SPI instead. Regards, AGK  [•] 09:30, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * There's little to go on in terms of diff evidence here—this is mostly a sort of know-it-when-you-see-it thing which comes from dealing with a certain sockmaster long enough to understand their behaviour. I'm not sure if it'll be accepted at SPI. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 19:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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Possible Socks
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 * Yeah, now that he's been mucking around some more, he looks a lot more like Deonis. Salvio looks to be out for a while, so I'll take it to SPI. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 01:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Confirmed. User:Dennys 2012 and User:Don Jovany 2007 also confirmed for Deonis. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 18:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Creation block of Thiyyar
Hi Salvio. I have been trying to get a hold of Bwilkins (another admin) for a while and have not been able to get a response, so I thought you might be able to help. Below is the message I left on his talk page roughly two weeks ago.

"I have been working in AfC for a while now and I came across a new version of Thiyyar, an article that was deleted in April 2012 following what appears to be a very heated discussion on the topic. Since I know little about castes in India, I asked the editor who created the article to elaborate on the subject, and this was his response:

''Hi Freebirds, Thiyya is a different caste from Ezhava, the only common thing between these two groups that they belong to Other Backward Communities in India. Thiyya has got different culture and history. I had a look ezhava wikipedia page and found many errors. Thiyyar is independent and they got their own culture and even they look different from Ezhava people. This link is from a book would tell you the difference, Thiyya people mainly living in Malabar in Kerala state. and Ezhava is living in Travancore region in Kerala. There are many links in my wikipedia article describing about thiyya. Thanks for your help and highly appreciated. Please send a message to the administrator to get my article published.''

I told him/her that I would ask an administrator about the block if I had a valid reason to contest it, yet the fact remains that I am no expert on the subject by any means. Can an unblock be made for this user's article? The AfC version of the article can be found here and the AfD discussion from the April 2012 deletion of the article can be found here. Also, if you would like to see the entire conversation between myself and the editor, please see my talk page. Cheers, Freebirds Howdy! 6:41 am, 19 February 2013, Tuesday (14 days ago) (UTC−6)"

If you can help me with the unblock in any way it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Freebirds Howdy!  19:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

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User IvanOS again
Again I would ask you to to take appropriate actions in case of editor User:IvanOS because of his behavior. After he was blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges by removing my referenced edits, he now again continue with the same practice. Please also take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia where I got support from community for my editing. Thank you for your time and all the best.--MirkoS18 (talk) 16:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion request
I noticed your statement at the Doncram arbitration request (16:10, 10 January 2013) that you'd undeleted Requests for comment/Doncram 2 temporarily. With the case close, would you mind deleting it again, or should it remain as is for now? Nyttend (talk) 06:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Precious again
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Salvo, I´ve done something very stupid
Hello, I don´t know if you remember our conversation, you unblocked me under certain conditions Notice Now instead of reporting the new Socks to you or on the Vandalismpage I´ve not ignored them but again edited in this field.

So here is Hatikwa/Kühntopf -edits, now promoting his own wiki using different IP and Sockpuppets:


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this one being blocken in de-wp, I don´t know how to copy and paste the englisch version.
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If you look here:


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you can see where the wiki has been spammed.

Again, I should not have reacted as I did and I´m sorry for my behaviour. I hope, however, not to be blocked indef, but I will not protest if you do.

Yours sincerely

--Izadso (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC) (I´ll be watching your talkpage, so please your answer here, thank you)--Izadso (talk) 20:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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More socks
Sopher99 (talk) 12:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ramnesden, Manu87965231, Agdiins and Frelimines have been indeffed. Cheers. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 12:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Mille grazie! I have just added this barnstar to my collection of shiny things.  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 12:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!
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Welcome back
Hope your feeling better mate. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, definitely better, thanks! I just needed a quick long check-up... Also, thanks for keeping an eye on my talk page! Salvio  Let's talk about it! 16:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Good to hear and welcome back. Things all went to hell without you. Seems you dodged a bullet. ;) -- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 21:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, my timing has always been perfect... Now, I hope the rest of my term will be uneventful and drama-free. (As if that was possible...) Salvio  Let's talk about it! 08:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Your back yay. Now back to work!

Sopher99 (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * A couple of socks blocked; seems to be your run-of-the-mill vandal, unless one of our usual friends has moved to a different continent without telling me...  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 08:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

A bit late in saying this, but welcome back! We've sorely missed you back here in the trenches. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's good to be back! Salvio  Let's talk about it! 08:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

BTW Sal, did you get my mail from about a week ago? Darkness Shines (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I probably did, but, at the moment, it's lost among the many e-mails I have received over these last two months that I still have to read (over 400, sigh...). I'll look for it and reply as soon as I can. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 08:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, ignore the ones selling viagra, which should leave you just a few to read. Darkness Shines (talk) 08:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't ignore those: I need to compare prices. I'm not rich, you know... Salvio  Let's talk about it! 08:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Bentornato! - I was concerned enough to ask another admin. We all need to put health first. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Would you mind helping me out?
Buongiorno! I am fairly new to Wikipedia and I am still learning guidelines and policies. I seem to have some trouble regarding a disambiguation page. Basically, I am trying to arrange the placement differently but I keep getting reverted by another user (check here). Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the talk page? I don't know how to go about this, so I thought you could help since you are a trusted administrator. Thanks! Latin Wolf  (talk)  12:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Before 'helping out', please consider the edits of Norseman2000. Someone is not being entirely forthcoming here. RashersTierney (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well,, and  are ✅. Latin Wolf, would you care to explain?  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 16:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, Sal, if Norseman2000 aint a mmeatpuppet of Latin Wolf then I have never seen one before Darkness Shines (talk) 20:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Those are not my accounts. I do not engage in sockpuppetry / meatpuppetry. I'm a man of my words, so I'll fight this accusation with everything I have. Perhaps someone else from my IP address created those? I'm not sure how that works. Anyways, I'm starting to feel like RashersTierney is doing all they can to get me in trouble, especially since we disagree on certain things. As for Darkness Shines, I don't even know who that is nor why they are trying to attribute those accounts as mine. I was asking Salvio for his opinion. I'm not sure how all of this happened. Latin Wolf   (talk)  22:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It happened because you approached a CU, who has powers beyond the reach of mere mortals. RashersTierney (talk) 00:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Salvio. You may want to comment at Sockpuppet investigations/Latin Wolf, since it's largely based on your findings above. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I'd have blocked myself, as the explanation I received was not satisfactory, but I was too slow on the trigger.  Salvio  Let's talk about it! 08:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)