User talk:Sam Sailor/Archive 22

Sagittarius+ and rcat redirects
Hi, that's a follow up to the exchange in. Yes, R from nickname is currently a redirect to R from alternative name, but it carries much more specific information and it's conceivable that someone some day may decide they need a spearate rcat category for it. So, in light of this and the usual WP:NOTBROKEN reasoning, it's a bit surprising that Sagittarius+ behaves the way it does. Is there anything I'm missing here? – Uanfala (talk) 09:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, no, it sounds like you got it right. If you request the autopatrolled user right, your redirects will not show up in Special:NewPages, and we will have less to do at NPP. Sam Sailor 10:18, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , follow up: I have requested APAT for you in Special:Diff/863909246/863913506. Sam Sailor 22:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles with missing files
Hi Sam! Hope all is well with you. Just wanted to let you know that CAT:MISSFILE could use an extra set of eyes, since I believe you had expressed interest previously to helping out with it. My real-life has been crazy busy these past few weeks and I haven't been able to really even log on much besides sporadically for a few minutes every several days. The only other person watching this page, KylieTastic, unfortunately seems to have sort of dropped off the face of the Earth and is no longer editing here. Anywho no pressure, just wanted to let you know in case you were interested (or know of anyone else who's interested) in helping out with that cat, as it's getting to some pretty massive levels of pages (currently ~700 as of typing this). I'll try to get back to regularly patrolling it at some point, though no idea when life will calm down unfortunately. All the best, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  15:21, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm chuffing along, thanks for asking. I hope you are sane despite crazy busyness.   : ~700 pages with bad file links out of  articles that's not  bad. Back in July 2013 the number was a staggering 11,000+. I have fixed >100 the past few days, most of the errors have been on pages with low traffic, but it is surprising how a red-linked image can go unnoticed for more than a month in Tom Hanks.    : Detecting changes to file names in articles and matching the change against what file names we have locally and on Commons is, I assume, an easy task for ClueBot or similar bot, and would reduce the amount of man-hours that is now needed to manually check the category and and fix the errors. I looked at "What links here" to CAT:MISSFILE, and a bot job has previously been suggested by KylieTastic et. al. back in 2014, see Special:Permalink/760399316.    : We should sooner or later file a new BOTREQ. To document that we have a persistent problem I have started logging the fixes I make to articles listed in CAT:MISSFILE, see User:Sam Sailor/MISSFILE log. If you want to do something similar, here is what you could do:

1. Start a log file, eg. MISSFILE log in your user space.

2. It could include a heading like This is a log of fixed articles that previously had broken file links.

3. If you need help on how to use the hidden line inside the divhide, please let me know.

4. Add the following lines to your common.js file to your skin script file: var pagesToCollect = [ {page: 'User:KatnissEverdeen/MISSFILE log', caption: '+MISSFILE log'} ]; User:Sam Sailor/Scripts/logger.js

5. Save and bypass your browser cache (do not worry about the error message that MediaWiki will display).

6. Now you will have in your More menu an item called "+MISSFILE log". If you click it, logger.js will add a numbered line with the name of the page you are currently on to your MISSFILE log. So, when you have fixed a red-linked file link in an article, and while still on the article page, you chose "+MISSFILE log" and *wham* you have logged it.


 * Apart from blatantly obvious image vandalism (ex. Gus Dapperton), MISSFILE errors seem to fall into two main categories 1. Good-faith attempts to technically link to a file that is not present on a project server

2. Good-faith changes of the in-text file name.
 * In re A: I have broadened the scope of, and in re B: I have created . I trust you know to install them in Twinkle. In some cases, where there is a reason to believe that a file name may again be "spelling corrected", I have begun to add a hidden notice  (ex. Special:Diff/857862117/857862293). Such a string can most easily be added by using TemplateScript.    I have made a few experiments with redirects on Commons, e.g. in Agnes de Mille. Why that article still is in MISSFILE, I don't know. Perhaps a local redirect? Would you know? Sam Sailor 04:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey Sam, wow, I am incredibly impressed with the amount of work and time you put into both this explanation and the template coding! Thank you so much for all your hard work. I've gone ahead and added the coding stuff into my Twinkle files and created new pages (you're welcome to look at my contribs if you like to see if I did it right, not too familiar with coding stuff if I'm honest). Agreed about 700 (now 529) not being too bad, though my worry was more based on the fact that it built up to that level in less than a month. If memory serves correctly the category was last cleared in early August (CAT:MISSFILE says June 9, though the cat was cleared several times since then; a road shield creation request that had not yet been answered prevented me from updating the date, as it wasn't technically cleared).
 * I wasn't aware that Kylie had previously filed a bot request, though that is a terrific idea. I have made the same observation about the two categories of MISSFILE errors, and agree that a bot could be very valuable in reducing the tedious manual work of fixing that on hundreds of articles. Admittedly, as I mentioned, I'm not super into coding so I would have no idea of the technical jargon to request how the bot could perform such functions. However, I'm happy to collaborate with writing up the other parts of the request. Please let me know what I can do to help in filing the bot request. I'll try to reply as soon as I see it (and thanks for asking earlier, I am sane despite the insane level of busyness! ) Cheers, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  18:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Sam, it appears the first round of our little project is done! There are still 8 articles left, though 6 of them are road shields. I've gone ahead and requested four, and it appears KylieTastic requested the other two back in June (not sure why they're still not done, but oh well). The other two articles we can't do anything about at the moment, given another editor is involved, which I won't say anything about other than I have no desire to communicate with them with their current hostile attitude towards us. Anywho, the reason for my message was to ask if you wanted to get started on the bot request? I'd say we certainly have enough pages documented to show that this is an ongoing issue which a bot could assist with. As I said, I guess I wouldn't know the technical lingo for how we should request the bot be programmed, but I imagine you would have some insight into this. Anyways let me know what your thoughts are. (P.S. I laughed out loud upon seeing this edit summary earlier this morning haha) Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  19:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thanks for a great drive! Together we fixed 850 cases in 9–10 days. There are currently, some six hours after your post, 18 articles in the category. It would be interesting to see what happens if neither of us fix any articles for the next, say, 10 days. And I would suggest we at least wait with filing at BOTREQ until we have some data on the backlog when the category gets no dedicated patrolling. What do you think about that? It would certainly also be nice to have KylieTastic with us with their experience. Are you two in off-Wiki contact, and could you hear how they are doing?   As for the three Water Resource Regions, I did not read any hostility in what the editor wrote. As they have opened a section on WT:REDLINK (current permalink) suggesting that red links to files should not be prohibited because it is difficult and tedious to upload them to Commons, I downloaded the six map images missing in Lower Mississippi Water Resource Region and uploaded them to Commons. So now have one less of those three.    I should have pulled myself together a week ago and mentioned three scripts that are very useful for the task at MISSFILE: (a) WP:NAVPOPS (if you have not already activated it in prefs), (b) User:Yair rand/HistoryView.js (steady vertical mouse movement!), and (c) User:Splarka/nulledit.js. Check them out. Sam Sailor 01:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , see this update. Sam Sailor 11:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam, thank you as well, you were a very helpful comrade in this quest! That new update is crazy, shocking that so many articles could already have missing files after less than a day. I guess it just goes to show that we definitely do have a problem! I agree about waiting for the BOTREQ until we have more data, say maybe September 20 since that's 10 days? KylieTastic and I are not in off-Wiki contact, we're just sort of on-Wiki friends I guess? From what I can gather (she hasn't really said much of anything to anyone about what happened, so it's more of a guess), she feels unappreciated and tired of vandals harassing her. She also made a comment at AfC which was something along the lines of "I'm just trying to do something positive in my miserable existence," so I would imagine there are other Off-Wiki factors affecting her as tbh that's a super dark comment to make. I do know however that she still is checking Wikipedia occasionally, as I've been watching her talk page for her while she's gone and she's thanked me a few times for responding to inquiries and such.
 * My issue with the hostility was more with the edit they made to WP:REDNO, as it just seemed a bit immature (for lack of a better word) to just completely remove Category:Articles with missing files from the policy while discussions were ongoing. I do recognize that I could be reading into the situation too much. Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  13:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging, as she may be interested in the current conversation. To sum up our previous comments, we are considering filing another WP:BOTREQ in an attempt to help make CAT:MISSFILE more manageable. We are currently collecting data on how backlogged the category gets without any patrolling from the three of us for a period of 10 days, after which we will reevaluate the situation and see if a BOTREQ is needed. We thought it would be nice, given your experience, if you could assist us in filing the BOTREQ and give any other suggestions you may have on how to handle the growing backlog. Of course, I know you are on a long WikiBreak and may not have an interest in participating, which is totally fine and you should feel free to ignore this message. If you are interested however, we would love to work with you on this project! Hope you are feeling better!  Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  15:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry but real-life has more problems than I can cope with so I wont be coming back anytime soon. However it is so nice to see people working together to achieve something in the content, in contrast to the constant debating/arguing and getting little done that happens in so many places here. At least CAT:MISSFILE hasn't blow up like WP:AFC has (when I left ~750 outstanding up to 3 weeks wait, now 3850+ and over 300 waiting over 2 months! *sigh*). There are three bots working on images that help with CAT:MISSFILE and if a new clearly defined function can be found their owners may be happy to extend. User:Filedelinkerbot removing deleted commons files, User:CommonsDelinker same task + admin renaming tools etc. (if I remember correctly CommonsDelinker wasn't working well at the time hence why Filedelinkerbot was added) User:ImageRemovalBot removing files locally deleted on EN WP. The key is to identify a clearly defined issue that is easy for a bot to fix without introducing more issues, such as remove attempts to add hotlinked images but you have to work out if to remove or revert to a previous valid image. It was on my list of things to program myself.... but I have more than enough real-life code to write/fix first. Anyway hope your both happy and healthy... all the best KylieTastic (talk) 20:23, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kylie, good to hear from you again! Sorry to hear about all the real-life issues, hope life improves for you soon! Despite that I've been busy, it's been busy doing relatively fun things so I would say I'm quite happy at the moment.

Anyways, from going through the ~700 articles in CAT:MISSFILE the past few days, I would say the two "categories" listed above still hold relatively true. 1) Good-faith attempts to technically link to a file that is not present on a project server - Could we request that a bot revert any edits attempting to introduce new files into an article that haven't been uploaded yet? 2) Good-faith changes of the in-text file name - Would it be possible to have a "warning" message pop up for anyone altering a file name? (Such as "You are about to alter a file name, which may break the file if it has not been properly moved. Are you sure you want to do this?") Or program a bot to revert any edit which causes a red-linked file by changing a minimal detail (spelling, punctuation, etc.) This would hopefully prevent people from changing spelling, or "correcting" the file names, since I've noticed even a lot of experienced editors do this accidentally when trying to fix a typo/punctuation, not realizing that it was a file name.

As Kylie mentioned, we do have those file-removing bots, though I've still noticed quite a few files that were deleted from Commons but not removed by the bots. Maybe this is something worth pursuing as well, as it's definitely more than just a few files that are slipping through the bots' radar.

Anywho let me know your thoughts on the bots (didn't intend to rhyme there...or maybe I did lol), don't know much about bot programming like you two do so I have no idea if these are commands which bots could perform. Best wishes, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  20:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam! It's been 10 days as of today, and it appears we're at 312 articles already without anyone patrolling it. Thoughts on the BOTREQ? As an aside, my above message was intended for you (upon rereading it, it sort of seems like I was talking to Kylie, which wasn't my intention so apologies for being unclear), so I would be interested to hear your thoughts about the bot ideas I have above as well. Hope you're doing well!   Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  15:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks for your message, do you mind if I get back to this later this evening (UTC)? Did you think about drafting a BOTREQ? I'm hardly more into the technical details than yourself, but the coders do not expect expert knowledge, a well-defined problem should be enough for them to configure a bot. Sam Sailor 15:29, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, no rush! I just drafted the BOTREQ in my sandbox, please feel free to make whatever changes you'd like. Happy to discuss it as well if you have any suggestions for something to add or if I could word something better. Thanks as always!  Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  17:09, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey Sam, no worries if you haven't gotten to it yet, but if you don't have any objections I think I will formally file the BOTREQ later this week. Thanks, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  15:16, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Go for it, . It would be lovely to have back on the team, though. (Hope you are well, Kylie.) Sam Sailor 05:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Just made the request. If you have anything to add to what I've said already, that would be great! So far it's seeming like a no-go. :( Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  13:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, let's be positive, I notice that has filed at BRFA, danke schön, Krd, and getting red links to locally deleted files removed from articles is a start. Where do you think we stand now, Katniss? Can we add anything to Special:Permalink/862930179 that could inspire the programmers? Best, Sam Sailor 18:57, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi! I believe issue 3 on the respective topic (3. "There are also a few issues with the current bots created for this category, User:CommonsDelinker and User:Filedelinkerbot. Even after they are removed from Commons, the bots are sometimes not performing their duties. There were several instances of files (and audio files) deleted from Commons back in July which were still present in the articles when we manually removed them in September.") has been solved by the BFRA (thanks Krd!). That leaves issues 1 and 2 still unsolved. I attempted to request an edit filter, but it was denied because of technical limitations. I'll keep thinking on those, though it seems the bot request discussion is at a standstill while we await Cobi and JaGa's replies (if they choose to). I'd be open to hearing any suggestions that you might have that would inspire the programmers. Cheers, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  18:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Let's give it a week or two and see what happens. If nothing happens, we'll take it from there, and look at our options. Sam Sailor 20:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

A message from JKHBlair
ERASE AND FORGET - thank you for submitting the Erase and Forget draft. Thought I had done it! Am still not quite getting the hang of all this. If by any chance you have 5 mins would you be willing to please have a look at article for creation on the film's director Andrea Luka Zimmerman? I have been trying to get this up since Feb/March 2017 (is that normal to take so long?). I have added references to hopefully show neutrality, and have tried to make the language more neutral.

JKHBlair (talk) 19:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

A message from Clive sweeting
Many thanks for your help with Meliton

Clive sweeting (talk) 15:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, Clive. Sam Sailor 15:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

A message from Krishanuthe13th
Hi Sam!

You had put a deletion request for this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADDA_(software). I would like to inform you that this company was rebranded to ADDA from ApartmentADDA. The old website of the company: apartmentadda.com will be shut down soon. Their new website is adda.io. For me, the article doesn't look promotional. It just explains what the company does and its history.

Krishanuthe13th (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to participate in the discussion on Articles for deletion/ADDA (software). Sam Sailor 06:49, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

A message from Paulmaliakel
Hi, the article on ADDA software shouldnt be removed. The company was renamed to ADDA from apartmentADDA. Their old website will be shut down soon and their new website adda.io is already live. This article just explains what exactly ADDA does and not promotional in my view. please reconsider this. This also comes up in knowledge panel of google when we search for ADDA.

Paulmaliakel (talk) 09:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Ross Wylie - My first article
Hi Sam, Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your prompt work on my article about Ross Wylie, the Scottish racing driver. It's my first full article, and I appreciate that I have a lot to learn. If you feel able to offer any advice on where I've gone wrong, or any obvious shortcomings or errors, I'd be very grateful. I see you've assessed it as C Class, which implies either that I've left out some "important content" or it has "significant problems". If you could point out what those might be, I can avoid similar issues in the future. I also note that you've removed the Scottish flag icon from the InfoBox. Although I've never met him, I gather Ross is proud of his Scottish roots, and wondered why it had gone? Many thanks, ThumperGT (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Why would you delete a Talk page?!?
Very curious your logic of deleting a talk page (Talk:CoLiving), the purpose of a talk page is to start a conversation, by you deleting the conversation feels very suppressive. Any rationale? --@Rob talk 13:38, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Rob. I did not delete the CamelCased Talk:CoLiving, click on it, and you will see the entry from the deletion log, including the rationale. Perhaps you intended to post on Talk:Coliving? Sam Sailor 04:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Redirects
Hi Sam. re: Redirects, yes got that on board now. Thanks! :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 02:54, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Very kind, thank you. Sam Sailor 13:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Creating a page... Could you possibly help?
Hi there Sam! thank you for your help already! I was hoping you might be able to help me start a page for an Australian singer-songwriter. I'm looking to help out but having some difficulty with every time I try to make the page stick.

Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoee I don't suppose you'd be able to help me with it and get it to stay this time?

I'd really appreciate any and all help from a fellow Wiki member and creator :-)

Thanks! Sarah :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flowerblossomtravel (talk • contribs) 13:21, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , I will gladly offer you advice. First, please tell me, are you being paid to write about Zoee or do you have any relation to her that you wish to disclose? Sam Sailor 13:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

A message from SmartMobileLabs
Dear Sam Sailor, I made some updates to my submission and changed the wording to make it neutral, would you mind re-reviewing it? I think it's good now thanks for your advice!

SmartMobileLabs (talk) 13:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , you are really not doing the/your company a favour here, do you realize that? Sam Sailor 13:51, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Sam!
Thank you Sam for moving this to the draftspace. I wanted to get it to the mainspace already if you are able to check? I was unable to create the article page in the first place. Thank you! :) --MediaEditNZ (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , check WP:NTV. Sam Sailor 00:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sam! Legend :) Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaEditNZ (talk • contribs) 00:39, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hardly ... Sam Sailor 00:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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Zan
Hey, Sam! Could you please move Zan? to my userspace? It's currently speedied as a typo but I think deletion is unnecessary because it's just a redirect and the editor who requested it probably has an old grudge against me. "Zan?" initially appeared on the track listing of Wrld on Drugs but the final track listing writes it as "7am Freestyle". Flooded  with them hundreds 07:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Flood. Looking into it. Hang on, Sam Sailor 07:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , sorry, no, can't do. I could remove the speedy, if I found it was unreasonable, or if I could retarget the redirect. But having it point to Wrld on Drugs makes no sense, and the alternative target you have suggested, Zan, does not make sense either. As also said in their edit summary. Sam Sailor 07:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You're all fine to nominate others' redirects for deletion but God forbid one of yours is, even when it's blatantly wrong. Maybe the lesson is don't create redirects if it's blatant speculation. Also, don't mean to start in on your talk page Sam, but Flooded with them hundreds is actually well known for having the grudge against me. He's prevented from making page moves related to music in mainspace because of it. He's been following me around for the past week because I asked for one of his redirects to be deleted so I could make an article there, then he's been making articles related to the topics I've been editing because he obviously thinks I want to make articles for everything (that I'm already supposed to know) he's interested in now, even though I told him this is not the case at all. It's getting really annoying. If he weren't buzzing around linking his articles on the pages I've made I would gladly forget he's even here. I get accused of "hounding" only for him to do pretty much exactly that. I only came here because you tagged me.  Ss  112   07:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I know, the target isn't relevant but why is that stopping you from moving it to my userspace? It has no significant history and I'm requesting as the original author. The editing policy recommends preserving contributions rather than deleting! Flooded  with them hundreds  08:11, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:USERFY. Sam Sailor 08:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I might be wrong, of course, but the question is: what would you do with the page in your user space? Sam Sailor 08:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Nothing much, other than keep it as a sandbox. Flooded  with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  08:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

You can create a new sandbox in your user space if you need one, and you know that. Given that your move ban prohibits you from moving "pages related to songs, music, or discography without first obtaining consensus", I don't think it is a wise idea to ask another page mover to unilaterally do what you are not allowed to do yourself. Some might argue that you are attempting to circumvent your ban by proxy. Since this request is connected to the long-term beef between you and Ss112, Wikipedia is not about winning is an essay that comes to mind, please give it your consideration. Perhaps you will also consider updating your user page and talk page with a clear notice about of your ban, cf. Banning policy. Sam Sailor 13:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If proxy editing isn't allowed, I'm sure it would've been listed on the restriction page, but it's not so I wouldn't worry about that. BTW, could you move this to my userspace please? <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  15:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , forgot about this one. Proxy editing is not mentioned in your restriction because proxy editing is not allowed under our banning policy, see WP:PROXYING. You casually asked me to move another redirect to your user space. Would you have moved it yourself, if you were not move banned? Sam Sailor 20:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm tired of this. Do not ping me again. <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  20:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , If you start a discussion on my talk, you will be pinged. And you are always welcome, but not if you are trying to game the system. Got it? Sam Sailor 20:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes :) <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  13:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Lighthouse capping
Sam, a naming convention doesn't determine what's a proper name; see MOS:CAPS and sources. Most of these lighthouses are not referred to in sources as "X Lighthouse", or where they are it's "X lighthouse". These have been stable for many years, some of them, since I fixed them to agree with sources many years ago. Your moves back to caps can't possibly be considered uncontroversial, so I don't see why you undertook them. Can you please put back? Dicklyon (talk) 06:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Dick, our naming convention for lighthouses at Naming conventions (architecture) specifically says   Please do a petscan of  and notice that this convention is followed to an overwhelming degree. Sam Sailor 15:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw that, but it's a flawed convention, at odds with the central guidelines at MOS:CAPS. Let's fix it.  In the meantime, you've moved articles that were previously moved years ago, where the situation clearly does not qualify as uncontroversial.  Please put them back. Dicklyon (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What numbers do you get when you run PetScan? Sam Sailor 15:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I stalk Dicklyon's contribs, I'm afraid, and saw this thread. I have to express my doubts about the advice offered on this page. The English WP does not cap railway stations (at least the "s"); not railway "l"ines. The general rule is to avoid unnecessary caps, which is in line with the major English-language style guides, in the US and the UK. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  13:07, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , fist tip here for you is: do not follow your "lower-case buddy" around to try and influence other editors. You offer tedious opinion and diversion from the specific subject-matter. Both you and Dick ignore the convention that is supported by community practice. Further discussion should involve the community. Sam Sailor 16:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll take that as abusive rudeness, which won't do you any good at all. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  03:53, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Concur with DickLyon (whose RM-related stuff I WP:JAGUAR a bit). These are not proper names, and capitalising them is just the usual aficionados' fallacy, exactly like the years of rampant over-capitalisation the community has been slowly but consistently undoing in genres, trains and other transportation topics, sports and games (of the non-trademarked sort), classifications of animals that are neither genera nor breeds, doctrines in a broad sense (hypotheses, business methods, schools of thought, scientific practices, martial arts techniques, skateboarding moves, ballroom dance categories, and so forth), among many other topics.  There is nothing unusual or different about geographically-designated lighthouses. They're just geographical designations, not names. Exactly the same as with geographical designation of train and bus stops.  A lighthouse with a name like "the William J. McNutts Memorial Lighthouse" or "Lighthouse of Lasting Hope" (something either honorary or evocative, not simply literally descriptive) is a proper name.  —&thinsp;AReaderOutThataway&thinsp;t/c 04:19, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Sam, I had your moves undone via WP:RMTR. Let's try to work together going forward and avoid conflict. I modified that conventions page, too, to not conflict with MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 04:53, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

G13 deletions
You are marking a lot of drafts for speedy deletion under category G13, and all of the nominations you have made have been correct. Thank you for your input. However, you are marking them incorrectly; you appear to be adding the date on which you flag them, where you should be adding the date the article was last edited - as you are aware, at least six months ago. A small point, but it is tidier to do it right, and it makes the template show in the correct colors, which the ones created by you do not. Anthony Bradbury "talk" 20:47, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, you are right; I will correct this. Sam Sailor 06:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not think that quite all are correct. It's a little specialized, but I declined the G13s from drafts on 2 plays by Sophocles.. Even a fragment by Sophocles is notable   ,and,  since the drafts also have  secondary sources  enough for an article I will probably move them to article space tonight, after checking how it is covered by other WPs. The reason I gave for becoming an admin 11 years ago is so I could catch & restore deletions, and that's still my primary purpose here.  That a probably acceptable draft on a subject like this should stay in draft space without being worked on or moved to main space is a problem with enWP,  and we need to correct it.
 * that said, the great majority of the actions of drafts seem to be exactly correct (perhaps I should rather say, exactly what I personally would have done) .  I  am however looking further, especially at ones that were deleted by admins I have   known not to always check for themselves before deleting. I expect to find a few more. You can spot them from you CSD log.
 * But in addition to those, there were a number of very brief one-sentence stubs that are probably about notable subjects which I am not restoring. I often  delete these myself, unless they are in a field where I have a special interest,  just as a practical matter because otherwise we'd be overwhelmed, and because it would be just as easy to start over.      DGG ( talk ) 23:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * and one hint: when I am deleting a draft for G13, and it is also highly promotional and there seems little chance that a nonpromotional article could be written, I often add the reason G11. This prevents automatic re-creation on request.  DGG ( talk ) 02:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice, DGG, I appreciate it and will keep it mind. If you find other examples of drafts where you for any reason believe I should not have tagged with G13, please let me know. For the little it may be worth, I do daily both postpone deletions (Postponing G13) as well as tagging selected drafts with . Sam Sailor 11:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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Message regarding Sagittarius+ from Hddty.
In redirect page, can you add a clickable link to the target page? Thanks. Hddty. (talk) 08:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't,, I can hardly tell the difference between a variable and a function. But it is something that I miss myself, and together with the other shortcomings of the original script such as it's lack of ability to read anchors, I think it is time to find a user with proper javascript skills who can adopt Sagittarius+. I will keep you updated. Sam Sailor 20:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Re: your e-mail
Contents read. Need to investigate further. Will raise at WP level, probably tomorrow. Mjroots (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the delay, you may have noticed that there was a major helicopter crash at the weekend which diverted my attention a little. I've asked a simple question at WP level re the naming convention for articles. Let's see what happens there first. Mjroots (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Jabal Zikt
Hiya. You AfD'd then withdrew on the article Jabal Zikt. I've just discovered - after the exhaustive process of AfDing almost 100 of John Carter's mad GEO settlement stubs for the UAE - that he's done just the same with these mountain names. They're cruft. There are a small number of mountains, hills and tells in the UAE which are named and geographically notable, but Carter appears to have gone through every place name (or a similar 1987 database derived from tagging names from the 1960s Trucial Oman Scouts survey which is madly out of date and just plain wrong - a long story I'm happy to tell you if you have the time) and just given it a mountain. There are mountains around Zikt, they're the Hajjar Mountains but each mound doesn't have an individual name locally. So just because there's a wadi and dam at Zikt doesn't mean there's a 'Mount Zikt' or Jebel (NOT Jabal - that's an archaic transliteration) Zikt. In fact, the article's waymarker doesn't even point to a mountain or hill. We have a number of notable and named mountains and hills - Jebel Ali, Jebel Jais, Jebel Buhais and so on - and it's right they're identified, sourced and catalogued. But the 'Carter Mountains' are another series of problematic article creations that should be deleted. You were right to AfD it (the German bot article is another false positive, it's just based around the WP pin location) and I'd like to do just that. What's the best way to go about doing so, do you think? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

PS: Sadly there are loads of the damn things and it's going to be wearying checking them all... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message . I had hoped we could use se:Jabal Zikt for expansion and verification, but I trust your judgement in these matters. Renominating for deletion does not mention withdrawn nominations; the question is if we then default to the six months, generally do not renominate the page for at least six months, unless there is something new to say, and even so, usually wait a few months., or if this is a case where "there is something new to say", which I am inclined to say is the case. Why not wait a month or two? Sam Sailor 13:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, there's no rush, it's been festering for 10 years or so. Trouble is there's loads of 'em! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Heya - I moved Jabal Zikt to Wadi_Zikt which struck me as elegant. Hope you concur! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Alex, I can think of editors who would prefer to start a new article, and thus get the creator credits, and send the old title to AFD. Moving (renaming) a page in main space and repurposing it is done maliciously by some WP:SPAs, and is then called an article hijack. Obviously that is not the case here, rather contrary you are process, and with Spinningspark's comments here I think we are all good. Sam Sailor 10:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't pretend for a second I didn't do a little sigh at the loss of a new article! :) Thanks for the blush on the autopatrol application! :P Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , you're welcome. Sam Sailor 10:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the repurposing, I just have two comments. Imo, the page would be better at Zikt rather than Wadi Zikt.  On the Piper aircraft, if it was once a notable landmark, it is still notable now per WP:NTEMP.  If it isn't there anymore, change to the past tense rather than removing the passage altogether. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 14:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want to move it, fine by me. You could argue the wadi is more notable than the settlement as it's not much of a settlement and it's a mighty fine wadi. The aircraft was used as a direction marker for the route to Wadi Wurrayah in Dariush Zandi's book 'Offroad in the Emirates' and so was known to many expats 25 years back, although it's absence was known to many more after it rotted away and the remains were removed and everyone got lost because there wasn't a plane where the book said there was one and the publisher never revised the text in subsequent editions. Is a crashed plane a notable landmark? I tended to 'no' on that one, but again if you want to keep it, it's no biggie. Warayah is now a major nature reserve and so you can't drive to it any more that way in any case. And we should be doing this on the Wadi Zikt talk page and not cluttering up Sam's kitchen here... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Um...I was pinged here so I can only presume my opinion was wanted here. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 17:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely, there's no problem. Sam Sailor 17:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Commons and en dashes
About this, I really wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to script something that "does stuff" to Commons and its filenames. That's a bot request task. I agree it something that should be done, though. I know how/where to request bot stuff on en.WP but am not sure how/where it's done on Commons. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks. We filed a BOT request at WP:BOTR (permalink), and two applications have been filed at BRFA, Bots/Requests for approval/RonBot 12 and Bots/Requests for approval/Galobot 2. Sam Sailor 12:13, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In the interim, I've patched the Template:Infobox U.S. county template to support a map_county parameter, so this problem can be worked around at least for US county map auto-generation. After foolishly breaking the template for a moment, it now works.  Not sure if there's anything to be done for cases like dates in bio photos.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

KwikBoost page question
Hi Sam,

Wanted to reach out to say I appreciate your input and help; I'm still new to Wikipedia but I've been enjoying my time here learning from and interacting with other editors.

Charging stations are a new and developing technology and I saw there is a page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_station

Linked from this page, there's another page for ChargePoint, a company that innovated in this field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChargePoint

While the page for "Charging stations" focuses on charging stations for electric vehicles, "Charging station" technology has since expanded to include stations built for charging mobile devices. Today there are many companies now offering charging stations for mobile phones; KwikBoost is the company that patented the technology for mobile phone charging stations.

Should I instead be looking to edit the "Charging station" article to include mobile device charging technology (where KwikBoost would then be linked?)

Let me know your thoughts; I'd love to work with you on this regarding developments in this technology and improving Wikipedia's current stock of information on this.

Kenrdale (talk) 14:33, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , apart from KwikBoost, what can I help you with? Sam Sailor 21:13, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, sure, thanks for your response - is the Wikipedia page for Charging Stations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_station) the proper page to build upon to include mobile charging station technology? When you have a moment, would you mind taking a look at ChargePoint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChargePoint) and letting me know what you think of that page's references?


 * Thank you again!


 * Kenrdale (talk) 02:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

A message from Agrani Sinha
Hello Sir, I was not aware of the fact that i could not post my amazon links. Now i completely understood why you deleted it but i want to know that without this issue could i make my wikipedia page inspite of being an author? I am not yet known to the public because i have never tried to, I had not even did any promotions or marketing for my books. Your help will be highly grateful for me :).

Agrani Sinha (talk) 17:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear, just call me Sam. As the message I left you on your user talk page says, it is not strictly forbidden to write an autobiography, but it is strongly discouraged, and better left to someone without a conflict of interest. Searching Google for "Agrani Sinha" I do not find sources that would make a biography pass the notability guideline for people. We often refer to such cases as WP:TOOSOON. The good thing is that you are young, and you have all the time to develop your talent and create a career. Your books are all published via CreateSpace. If it was me, I'd try to get a deal with a notable publishing house. Good luck with everything! Sam Sailor 17:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Missed that
Sam, I'm sorry I failed to notice your long post of Nov. 7 at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lighthouses. I thought that discussion had gone quiet, but now I see not. Let me know what lighthouse article names that I moved are proper names, in your estimation; a couple of those might help focus the conversation. Dicklyon (talk) 01:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:CONSENSUS is policy, and policy should be followed. You were told that you edited against consensus, yet you have chosen to move ~100 lighthouse article since. They should all be moved back. Neglecting to read posts is not an excuse for not engaging in a fact-based dialogue. On the contrary you have edit warred you undiscussed changes to Naming conventions (architecture) back in again. Please self-revert. Sam Sailor 15:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Space style?
I ask about your change in Talk:Beluga_whale — Preceding unsigned comment added by Numbersinstitute (talk • contribs) 23:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Responded at the appropriate venue. Sam Sailor 06:19, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Sagitarius+
Your script, Sagitarius+ shows quite a lot of errors in the console log while searching for a suitable redirect target. The text of one of the errors is attached : index.php?title=User:Sam_Sailor/Scripts/Sagittarius%2B.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript:2549 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'href' of undefined at HTMLInputElement.inputChanged (index.php?title=User:Sam_Sailor/Scripts/Sagittarius%2B.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript:2549)

. Please look into this. Regards — fr&thinsp;<sup style="color:grey;">+  18:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Blocked
Why did I get blocked by Materialscientist even if I triggered the edit filter? 125.160.113.199 (talk) 08:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The IP you are using is currently not blocked - if it was, you could not post on my user talk page. Triggering an edit filter is something else than blanking the sandbox header. Sam Sailor 08:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Is topic removal harmful or not? 125.160.113.199 (talk) 08:16, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by "topic removal". Give an example. Sam Sailor 08:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The section header removal like this: == Section == - 125.160.113.199 (talk) 08:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The answer is probably yes in most cases, especially with level-2 headings. There are times when, say, an article has multiple very short paragraphs each under their own heading, when it can make sense to merge two or more sections into one. Use common sense: would the article become a better read for the reader? Another case where section removal is sometimes OK is empty sections. What do you want to edit? Sam Sailor 08:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

If I unreported a user from the noticeboard, what will happen? 125.160.113.199 (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it does not take a PhD in SPI to connect the dots here. I posted a welcome message and a TWA invitation on your talk page on purpose: try to forget the past, start with doing the full TWA course, then continue with regular and constructive editing. Sam Sailor 06:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 19:19:33, 21 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Yammmmmm
Hi the article I submitted for review yesterday was not accepted because part of the article is directly copied from the SOM website. There will only be one reference if citation is done. You mentioned that the act of paraphrasing sources is not allowed too. I would be grateful if you can tell me how do I proceed? Thanks

Yammmmmm (talk) 19:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , a place to start would be to do the The Wikipedia Adventure that I invited you to do on your talk page. Sam Sailor 20:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Uniforms of the Italian Armed Forces
I have immediately removed content that had been added to the draft page but after your comment it says that we have copyright sentences. Can you check it, please? Thank you in advance. LIUCnicolo01 (talk) 11:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , you did it well, Nico, I just asked for revision deletion of the copyrighted material. In the current live version of the draft no copy-vio is detected. Grazie! Sam Sailor 11:48, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

query on notifications
Hi sailor Sam, I hit your user page accidental, and saw one of my fave quotes of Len Coen, freed now sadly for us. Anyway, I got a notice that a page I touched was reviewed (by you, a hakea fwiw) but I am not the creator. Does this mean that the page was unreviewed, or my edit was? Note that I refused some offer of auto review years ago, and hope that is not making work for those who concentrate on these matters? Are you familiar with how this works, or have a neat link that explains the triggering of review notices I see? [excellent composition on the photo above this edit window, wish I was there :] Have a good one cygnis insignis 12:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , wish I was there too - likely time for a 3-months wikibreak come spring. :) Could you look in your notifications and clarify which page we are talking about here? Thanks, Sam Sailor 12:11, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Wiki is good when the weather is not. The page that prompted me to solicit an answer from you, who just happened to be active, was Hakea macrocarpa history, and is that incidental, but may clarify what I am blathering about. cygnis insignis 12:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , ok, thanks, that gave me a clue: you are referring to, a redirect (to Hakea macrocarpa) that you created on 27 October, and that I patrolled earlier today. Everything looks fine. If you click on Hakea morrisoniana in your notifications you are likely to be redirected to the target, Hakea macrocarpa, hence the confusion. :) The notification you received is triggered by the patroller (me, in this case) marking the page as reviewed with the Page Curation tool. Sam Sailor 12:32, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A clue, from me, might happen I suppose, could be I don't immediately want to spar with you :) And thank you for the heads up on my ability to miss the obvious, always a timely reminder when I am focused on minutiae and commenting on the meta. Have a good one, give me a hoy if you are sailing by a local port. cygnis insignis 13:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

 * Thank you, that's very kind. Best, Sam Sailor 12:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Achievements of Sachin Tendulkar
Sorry fat fingers syndrome led to accidental rollback. Nthep (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'm diagnosed as well, and occasionally combine it with foggy brain syndrome subsequently relying on foregiveness, which gave me with a friendly click on "thanks". Thanks for posting. Sam Sailor 20:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Julia Bösch
I was surprised to see that relished rather than merge and redirect to outfittery. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A comment or two more won't hurt. Best, Sam Sailor 06:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Editing Atom Hovhanesyan, Abstract Expressionist artist Wikipedia pages
Dear editor, please visit artbyatom.com (updated recently) and check artbyatomhov Instagram pages,with multiple new posts (published by me Ara Hovhannisyan, Atom's Father), plus check beautiful pages at kunstmatrix.com/en/artist/atom-hovhanesyan, artPal, Saatchiart.com galleries. Unfortunately I am old and not so familiar with modern social media, but that's all support that my only Son (deceased so young) actually has. Please let me know anything that I missed in my efforts to commemorate my Son's name, who dedicated himself to art and died for art. Sincerely, Ara Hovhannisyan - arahov62@yahoo.com or arahov63@gmail.com  Arahov70 (talk) 23:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Ara Hovhannisyan, please forgive me this delayed response to your message. My old heart goes out to you and your family for your loss.   English Wikipedia's basic criteria for testing if a biographical subject warrents an article reads:    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.    I did a thorough search for sources in regards to Draft:Atom Hovhanesyan, and I was unable to find the required significant coverage in independent sources. A litmus test in cases like these is to ask the question: would I, who did not know Atom, be able to write Draft:Atom Hovhanesyan (or something similar) based solely on the available sources? The answer, currently at least, is "no".    I think it is a wonderful tribute to your son's oeuvre you have created on http://artbyatom.com.    I hope we will be able to retain you for the project writing about other subjects. There is always a need for editors who know other languages than English, and I will post an invitation to WikiProject Armenia on your talk page.    If there is anything I can do for you here, never hesitate to ask. Warm regards, Sam Sailor 08:57, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Abu Dhabi copyvio
Ahahahaaaa! I put 'press release' in the edit summary 'cos the language was SO press release. I didn't realise it was a WAM file. Zawya has just copied the WAM file (WAM is the UAE National News Agency), so is that a copyright violation? WAM material is free to use, it's sort of like tagging a PR Newswire piece as Copyvio when it's clearly intended for widespread dissemination and use. In any case, it's PR fluff right out of the tin.. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:21, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The copyvio on Abu Dhabi was reported by CopyPatrol (permalink). Double-checking the source showed a "Copyright © 2018 Zawya" as well as a "© Copyright Emirates News Agency (WAM) 2018", hence the revdel request. But, as you imply, even if it had been a copy-paste from a CC-compatible source, it would still need removal under POV/PUFF/FLUFF.   If you are interested, the policy is at Copyright violations, and Enterprisey's latest script, cv-revdel, eliminates the somewhat tedious excercise it used to be to collect diffs for . Sam Sailor 16:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I am, actually, I'll go take a look. Thanks. Also, a news agency disseminating material intended for wide use but copyrighting it is, well, just mad... :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Even though press releases are, by their nature, "clearly intended for widespread dissemination and use", they are very unlikely to be intended for anyone to use, either unchanged or modified in any way whatever for any purpose whatever, subject to attribution to Wikipedia which is (pretty well) the terms under which Wikipedia content is licensed. Therefore, copying such a press release to Wikipedia certainly is an infringement of copyright. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure poor old Sam's talk page is the place for this convo, but I used to run a PR agency (did for some 15 years) and the clear understanding when you send out a release is that it will be precisely modified in any way whatever or used for any purpose whatever. It's a strange fillip that this is not made explicit by agencies/associations. I understand WP:COMPLIC policy. It's just that it's a little bit strange and actually calls for a change in that industry's practice. Maybe one for the PRCA. Happily, I no longer care personally! :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Alex, when other editors have something relevant to say, and James' comment is relevant, and I thank him for it, then I'm always fine with them posting here. Best, Sam Sailor 08:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The apology was meant to be more on my part than his! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * But you are both so very welcome; I often learn from these comments. Best, Sam Sailor 08:20, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * *puts kettle on and settles down* Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:57, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Your close on Talk:Barry O'Sullivan
Might I ask what rationale you're basing your close on? There's clearly no consensus on the discussion and if anything, the consensus is that it should be changed, seeing as how that's the ONLY side that has provided any arguments based on policy with the keep only refer to not liking the change. By policy, the reason for closures, are when first, it's not too soon. Well there's no minimum specified since it's not a formal discussion like an RFC so this could fit. When the discussion is STABLE, that is when new editors are not joining the discussion and points are only getting repeated. Seeing as how Irn just joined, and points are not yet being repeated, this doesn't fit. When further contributions are unlikely to be helpful, well this also clearly doesn't fit seeing as how this requires that no new points are made, yet they are and there is no clear outcome yet. And the last point is not too late, which is that it should be closed when editors have moved on, but seeing as how the discussion was still active, this also clearly doesn't fit. So seeing as how the close does not fit 3 out of 4 of the tests to close... By what rationale are you closing? Your closing comment also isn't uninvolved, so you wouldn't be allowed to close anyway as closing is for UNinvolved. You're saying those arguing for change have presented no source for that it should be taken seriously, but the argument presented is that policy SPECIFICALLY STATES that no such requirement exists. The only source that is needed according to policy is that it was said, a remark that has been referred to in the discussion but your close ignores. So a further question becomes... Did you actually read the discussion before closing? Did you review the policies that was pointed out? Because if you did, why is your close not even acknowledging that policy arguments was even brought up? If you didn't, then why are you even closing at all? 84.219.252.47 (talk) 05:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The closing argument is given in the discussion (permalink), and the next proper step for any editor who thinks O'Sullivan identifies as a woman and should be referred to with female pronouns, is to file a Requests for comment to get broader community input. Sam Sailor 06:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You can't just wholly accept one argument and just ignore anything everyone else says in the close no. You have to ground your close in the policies of wikipedia. You also have to provide a rationale in accordance for for why you are closing it, also in accordance with the policy on closing.84.219.252.47 (talk) 07:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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Bản mẫu:Infobox Mortal Kombat character
Please delete this page, i created it by mistake. Thanks! 𝖇𝖉𝖆𝖓𝖍 06:24, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , already tagged for deletion. Gave me an opportunity to look up vi:Trợ giúp:Bản mẫu. :) Sam Sailor 06:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Tamar Bercovici
Hello, and thank you for the note at my Talk Page. I've asked for help at WikiProject Women in Red. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 14:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Sweet and Short
Please keeep quiet and stop removing my edits, remove the redirect of Cassper Nyovest cause the album has been released. Shut up. Oreratile1207 (talk) 07:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , the page you started at is miscapitalised and is a dupe of, that is also a redirect to the artist article Cassper Nyovest. If you think the album can be sourced to meeting WP:NALBUM, start a draft in your sandbox and submit it. Let me know if you need more help. Sam Sailor 07:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Listen here, Ill remove everything youve edited, silly editor, the album is released, so what are you talking about? I sa8d remove that link instead of my edits, what's wrong with you, uncle Sam, what's wrong with You? Oreratile1207 (talk) 08:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia works best when editors work together and speak politely to each other. Sam Sailor 08:32, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Please help me, I'm sorry for threatening you it was just that I was angry that you removed my edits but pls help me uncle Sam please Oreratile1207 (talk) 08:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

No problem, and thank you, consider the slate wiped clean. Why not start Draft:Sweet and Short. When you believe it is ready for review, add to it in edit mode, and save it. If you need a helping hand in the process, drop me a line. Sam Sailor 08:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sam what's wrong with You? You removed sweet and short again? I'll remove anything you edited Oreratile1207 (talk) 09:58, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Does not sound like a good idea, but if you choose to ignore help and follow instructions, so be it. It's your choice. Sam Sailor 10:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sam I've encountered this editor before and is definitely in need of a WP:ANI. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 08:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you so much, Sam, you've really made me welcome, thank you Oreratile1207 (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That's good to hear, . And when you come back after your block expires, please stop the retaliatory remarks. Even when we disagree with each other, we maintain a modicum of politeness. Continuing the gangsta-attitude you displayed here and writing to, show me everything you've edited and I'll remove it (permalink) is not acceptable. (In reality, it would be impossible to undo Zach's 239,107 edits, so the threat sounds like an empty barrel.)   I invited you to The Wikipedia Adventure on your talk page, it is an hour well spend and highly recommended. Afterwards, if you wish, I'd be happy to give you some basic tips regarding source searching and referencing. You posted a request on Talk:Kip Collins, and it took only a few minutes to find an orbit that says he "died from injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident." You can learn to do that as well.    In the ANI thread a question was raised: why did you stop editing with the  account?    See you in a few days. Sam Sailor 05:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * it would be impossible to undo Zach's 239,107 edits HA!!! Thank you for that sam... Made my night....
 * let me echo what Sam has said. Learn from the mistakes and move on. If you come back and are constructive, fantastic! If you come back and continue your retaliatory remarks, you will find yourself blocked again in short order. Sam hit the nail on the head... We can disagree and still be polite. If you have questions, reach out. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Tool at cswiki
Hi, your tool doesnt wors at cswiki. I copied it here. When Im at redirect there is: Error: unable to parse page. Edit the source manually. Thanks for fix Patriccck (talk) 13:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I don't speak Czech, but there is no interwikilink from Categorizing redirects to cs.wiki, so I doubt you categorize redirects there. Even if you did, the script would need a lot of modifications. If you tell me what you wish to accomplish, maybe I know of a useful script. Sam Sailor 14:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would just like to change redirects when the page is displayed. We do not have a Category Redirection on Czech Wikipedia. It is possibleK? Patriccck (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

St.Peter and Paul church, Brebbia
Hi, I saw that you reported the part on the Minerva's citation, I was wondering if the problem of copyright is on the reference or about the citation on stone of the temple and how could I fix the problem. thank you very much for letting me notice and helping me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LUICArianna07 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ciao . An admin will sooner or later attend to Draft:St. Peter and Paul Church, Brebbia and remove the copy-vio. Grazie! Sam Sailor 14:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

A message from Erraticbraino
Hi Sam,

I have updated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Spriha_Srivastava now. Is there a way to delete this one - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pickycakes/sandbox/Spriha_Srivastava?

Thanks!

Erraticbraino (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , again, as I asked twice on your talk page: did you forget the login to a previous account? Sam Sailor 11:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes I did. That's why I had to recreate an account. It would be better to stick to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Spriha_Srivastava as I have just updated it with all the right citations and links. Let me know if you have any questions at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erraticbraino (talk • contribs) 11:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sam,

I have just been doing some research and there are way too many profiles on Wikipedia with no secondary sources but they are all published. This profile has a lot of secondary sources that I have mentioned in the reference section and I can send you a list as well. She is quite an accomplished journalist and is also doing a lot of philanthropic work (a lot of which is quite invisible but I am trying to get some references). She is a regular speaker and a moderator and I have shared second-party links to the events that fall into "about her" section. Request you take a look once again. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erraticbraino (talk • contribs) 12:03, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you being paid to write about her? Sam Sailor 12:07, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

oh god no no! Not at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erraticbraino (talk • contribs) 12:11, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , given the circumstances and the fact that none of the sources in the draft talk about her in any kind of detail, where did you get her date of birth, February 3, 1985 from? It is not in the CNBC bio or elsewhere, AFAICT. Sam Sailor 21:15, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Sweet And Short
Sam, may you please help me on Draft:Sweet And Short, I have a problem Oreratile1207 (talk) 12:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , sure, I closed the infobox and formatted the lede. Anything else? Sam Sailor 12:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!, please ask Zackman08 why did he remove my summaries of Talking Tom and Friends? Oreratile1207 (talk) 12:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, and good to see you back. Is The Wikipedia Adventure on your to-do-list?   A few tips:    (a) In a case like this, there is no need to post a new section every time you post here. Just WP:INDENT your reply.    (b) Also, make it a habit to link to the page you are talking about: use   resulting in Draft:Sweet and Short, not just   that results in Draft:Sweet and Short. A link makes life easier for the recepient.    (c) Linking to another editor can be done in several different ways. One is the use of the template  like this:  that results in . Zach will then receive a notification and can join the discussion if he wants to. You used , but that links to an article in main space. Nothing to worry about, I think The Wikipedia Adventure covers this as well. Hint, hint.    Regarding your question to Zackmann08, I can see that you already posted it on his talk page. Await his answer there. Please remember that editors on English Wikipedia are situated in all possible time zones around the globe. Remember when Zach wrote Thank you for that sam... Made my night.... the other day in the TWA invitation section above with a 05.47 UTC timestamp? Could he happen to be on the west coast of North America? In general, do not be surprised if there is a 12–24 hours delay in responses.    Why did you stop editing with the  account? Sam Sailor 14:40, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , can u please help me with the tracklist? Oreratile1207 (talk) 18:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, please answer the question. Sam Sailor 18:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up
Thanks for requesting revdel on the copyvios I removed. I've been away for a while and I forgot. Meters (talk) 20:22, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries,, good to see you back. Noticing the 3-tier diff on your user page, check out pageLinkHelper. Sam Sailor 20:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't know how active I can be for next while, but trying my hand again. Meters (talk) 20:37, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Script
I do know a thing or two but next to nothing about JavaScript. I'm most familiar with Python. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Stéphane Grappelli
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So help me out here
Since I'm new to this whole "admin" thing :) - but are you sure you've got the correct revisions listed in this revdel request? All that person inserted there was "i like turtles" over and over gain. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, and regarding Surendranath Dasgupta, please don't link to a full book scan that is clearly violating copyright even when requesting the redaction of copyright violation, per WP:LINKVIO. What you can do instead is link to google books or give the details of book and page number. (thanks for spotting all those copyright violations though..) Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:16, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, you are correct about both cases. Sam Sailor 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Move draft
Hey Sam. Can you move Draft talk:PlayStation 5 to Talk:PlayStation 5?

I created redirect for PlayStation 5 and an admin agreed that article or at least redirect is justified. Qualitist (talk) 20:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Talk:PlayStation 5 is not protected, you can start it with a . Sam Sailor 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Sagittarius+
I have been reviewing new redirects recently and thought I would try this tool to categorize them at the same time. The way the script works, it jumps into edit mode automatically. Is there no toggle for this? When I look at a new redirect, the first thing I often do is right-click on the target to open the target in a new window to see if I am going to mark the redirect as "reviewed". But I can't do that anymore - I have to manually open a window and type in the name of the target. I am missing something. Does this script assume you want to edit every redirect you view? <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 23:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * When I review a redirect on Special:NewPages, I start by hovering over the redirect using Navigation popups. In a lot of cases the preview in Navpops is enough to verify the redirect, if not, I open the target to have a closer look. I think the function you request is a clickable link the redirect page when the Sagittarius interface has loaded; I hope we'll get there at some point. Did you know that Twinkle can tag a redirect with a lot of the common R cats? Sam Sailor 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have been using Special:NewPagesFeed, and Navigation popups (which I use all the time) don't work there. I finally commented out Sagittarius because it got in the way too much. When not reviewing, whenever I went to a redirect for some other reason (perhaps to view the history), it would also open and prevent me from doing what I was trying to do. Yes, a clickable link, perhaps in the tool bar on the left would be great. I never tried Twinkle on a redirect before, but now that you have pointed that out I think I will use Twinkle for the time being. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 21:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

A cat for you!
Meow, thank you!

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 * Thank you! Sam Sailor 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Juanita Bynum
May u please help me on Juanita Bynum article? Oreratile1207 (talk) 07:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I did, she is obviously notable. (For your own peace of mind, please use draft space for your next articles. See the Welcome message on your talk page for instructions.) I also added a sourced date of birth in this diff. Sam Sailor 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy new year

 * Thank you,, and may you and your family enjoy good health and contentment in the coming year. Best, Sam Sailor 16:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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Newsletter • December 2018

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 * Progress of the project has been generally delayed since September due to development issues (more bitrot than expected, some of the code just being genuinely confusing, etc) and personal injury (I suffered a concussion in October and was out of commission for almost two months as a result).
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A message from Theologicae
Sam Sailor,

You were kind enough to restore a page I was working on "Christ Church of Clarkson" which was deleted from my sandbox nearly a year ago. I thought it was gone for good and had given up on supporting Wikipedia. You restored the page, moved it to drafts, and I continued to edit it. One of the sources I used was "https://rocwiki.org/" (Rochester, NY wiki site). I resubmitted my draft and it was rejected for copyright violations related to that article on Rocwiki. The problem was that I wrote the Rocwiki entry which is why the two were so much alike. I was going to again change my draft on this site but it looks like someone again deleted it from the drafts page where you restored it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Christ_Church_of_Clarkson).

This is really frustrating and I hope it can be restored - I spent hours working on it and just needed a few days to return to the editing process. Can you help?

Thanks,

Theologicae

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