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A beer for you!

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Copyright problem
Hi, ! Thanks for all you do at AfC. But please, please, could you check for copyright violations before moving a page into mainspace? Horses of Florence is now listed at WP:CP because much of it is copied from here.

I note that the page has no citations whatsoever. How on Earth did you establish the notability of the topic? It's also at a quite inappropriate title – those iron hitching-hooks are all over the place, throughout Tuscany and possibly further afield too; they certainly aren't a Florentine thing. a nice one on the Castello di Montalto, in Sienese territory. I suggest "Ferri" as a title (after moving the disambiguation page to Ferri (disambiguation), but Ferri (architecture) would do too. However, the copyvio is the main problem. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh dear! I'm quite embarrassed! Yes, I should have checked for copy-vio, and I did not. Please accept my apologies. And thank you for your vigilance, Justlettersandnumbers, when I was sleeping on duty. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 21:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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Yoo Byung-eun aka Ahae
Most of the content on Mr. Yoo's wiki page precede the corrections made by the media (links at bottom). For the media to be forced by the Press Arbitrary Commission to make corrections is a telling tale that the majority of news reports tying Mr. Yoo to the Sewol ferry were orchestrated by those looking for a scapegoat.

The Evangelical Baptist Church (EBC) collected approximately 16,000 news articles related to the church published after the ferry incident from April 16 through September 15. These 16,000 articles were subject to conciliation/arbitration and were filed to the Press Arbitration Committee (PAC). Thirty-seven hundred of them were about the church (EBC), while the rest, 12,300, were false reports about Mr. Yoo Byung-eun (aka the photographer Ahae).

These 16,000 articles contained false statements and met the criteria for conciliation/arbitration. For each of these articles, the application form was filled out and submitted to the PAC. The EBC and the press organizations proceeded to reach an agreement through rounds of hearings at the PAC and had the following results: publication of collective correction reports and the church’s official statement, revision or deletion of false reports, etc.

Compared to the data from 2013, the number of applications for conciliation filed in the year of 2014 increased dramatically—nearly by eight times, and 16,117 (87.5%) of these cases were regarding the false reports on the EBC. The numbers of cases that were not related to the EBC range from 2,000 to 3,000 (e.g. 2,433 in the year of 2013 and 2,931 in 2014), indicating that the media has published a tremendous number of indiscriminate, false news reports regarding the EBC since the Sewol ferry tragedy.

The applications for conciliation/arbitration were filed against all types of media outlets in Korea, including the three major TV business operators (KBS, MBC, SBS), cable channels (e.g. TV Chosun, ChannelA), news broadcasters (e.g. Yonhap News, News1), the three major newspaper companies (Chosun Ilbo, Donga Ilbo, Joongang Ilbo), nationwide and local daily newspaper companies (e.g. Maeil Shinmun, Busan Ilbo, Kookje Shinmun), Internet news pages (e.g. Shinmunsa.com), and Internet news service providers (e.g. Bangsongsa.com).

From August 2014, arbitration requests began to be filed to the Press Arbitration Commission. Soon, the Press Arbitration Commission held trials, and the media began to publish correction and objection reports regarding the EBC.

In August 2014, while there were only one or two correction and objection reports per article; after a complete inspection the PAC accepted the 16,000 articles as cases. After processing them, each media company began to publish combined correction and objection reports.

Below are links to three English news outlets based in Korea and more are being requested from other English news outlets in Korea. The next task is to approach international media who recirculated the lies propagated by the Korean media ex. NY Times, BBC, etc.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20150603000690

http://m.chosun.com/tab/article.html?sname=news&contid=2015040102017

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2015/06/11/0302000000AEN20150611419200047.html

http://eklef.com/list-of-corrected-articles/

http://eklef.com/category/media/articles-eklef-compage_id9/

The hope is that objective Wiki editors will continue to strive to maintain accurate content and rid content whose purpose is to defame and damage with an ulterior motive.

Thank you Mr. Sailor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.196.0.61 (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the message. I have not edited Yoo Byung-eun in well over a year. I can see that the statement of The Evangelical Baptist Church (in slightly different versions) has been added to a great many articles on the news sites. This would be easier to dig into for someone speaking Korean, alas I'm not one such, and would require secondary, reliable sources. Depending on the statement from EBC as anything else but opinion rather than fact, would be a mistake. One of several examples is #9: it has been very well established that Ahae only was able to exhibit because he and his companies paid all expenses and gave generous sponsorships. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 18:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. The statement by EBC was mandated by the Press Arbitrary Committee for almost 300 Korean based media outlets to make corrections to their articles. This was after an arbitration. If these are not third party, reliable sources then what is? The media outlets themselves were forced to correct their articles. Has it been well established that Ahae was only able to exhibit because of his donations? There was no statement made by the institutions to this effect. Has anyone contacted these institutions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.57 (talk) 18:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You are wrong when you say: "There was no statement made by the institutions to this effect." Au contraire mon ami, please read the article and the sources quoted. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

You can go to Versailles own website at http://en.chateauversailles.fr/news-/events/exhibitions/the-extraordinary-within-the-ordinary and read the director's statement how the artist was invited to exhibit. Wouldn't this be a better indicator of the facts then a French blogger posing as an authority on French art and museums? Sponsorships for this exhibition are no different in form and content than any of the other sponsored exhibits at major museums. http://en.chateauversailles.fr/index.php?option=com_cdvfiche&view=cdvchapitre&template=blank&idr=B0DA74F8-8703-53D2-8697-337A665D275E&idc=0E3ECE24-E256-9CDC-71C7-B137D27EFCB7

The key point is that all of these references that are notated undoubtedly were gleaned from the Korean news articles that have now been corrected. For the Louvre the screening committee agreed by consensus to host the artist's works. Once again you need to look at the overall context of the situation. People added content to this Wiki page using material that the media now admits was incorrect. There is no other reason they would add the media corrections to their original articles. This should be taken into account in editing this Wiki entry. People cannot just refer to indiscriminate content and ignore the same media outlets when they post their corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.92.229.233 (talk) 21:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Pirum
Hi Sam, not sure if I'm doing this right, first time editing a talk page. Thankyou for your comments, I was still working on my post and ran out of time - probably should have used the sandbox environment perhaps (I need to read up on how to use that too). I've made some more updates and added a bunch of references. How do I go about uploading the company logo into the info box - when I try uploading the logo there are lots of copyright questions. A company logo is in the public domain, but if you need an email from the CEO or something I can get that. Please let me know what the right option is to upload a company logo. Thanks! Jdtootell (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Jdtootell, you're doing fine, no worries. Company logo first: We have Wikimedia Commons for free images, but the question is if the company logo is free? Normally they are not, AFAIK. It could be made free under the right Creative Commons license with a permission from the copyright holder, but an easier path to take is to upload it here under a Fair use clause. Yes, I remember how it was uploading for the first time, all those boxes to tick and form fields to fill. Take a deep breath, have a go at it again, and get back to if you need help. Yes, your sandbox is a good place for drafting, check it out. As for the article, I think it is moving in the right direction. Could you write a lead that sums up the article? You yourself presumably knows the subject specific terms, but would the average Joe? I'm truly your average Joe when it comes to the subject matter here and a sentence like "with the objective of utilising Internet technologies to benefit these market participants through providing a secure reconciliation service for both open securities lending trades and for their monthly billing." I virtually have no clue about what you mean. Granted, Wikipedia can't cater to an ignorance at my level ;-) and I'm not suggesting the article should be devoid of the business specific terms that makes it precise, but could we Wiki link to some topics? E.g. CCP is the acronym for central (clearing) counterparty, so could it be linked to Central Counterparty Clearing? If so, that would be done like this in the edit view: CCP . Target first, link text next. I googled RQV and assume it is Running Quality Value. Hmm, we don't have an article on that, I think. Cash prepay reconciliations also not. Maybe there's a lot small financial articles you should start? ;) Does Mark to market functionality have anything to do with Mark-to-market accounting? But again, if the language you use is precise for the topic, don't drag it down, it could be Wikipedia that lacks articles to link to on some of these terms. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 00:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sam, please can you recheck and see if I have addressed your concerns? I've added a page on RQV (albeit there isn't much written on the subject at the moment for me to reference), and added lots of links to other Wiki pages. Logo is up, and text is nice and neutral. Jdtootell (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jd, I copy-edited both and added a a few references to Pirum. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

A few questions on a newly created wiki page I made
Hey Sam, first and foremost I'd look to say thank you for the warm welcome to the site and I really do appreciate all you do for the users on here. I saw your post on my talk page about the Kevin Abstract article I made. You commented on saying how I should lower the tone to something a bit more neutral, as well as add in additional citations. I followed your advice on both of those and now have almost 30 references and what is what I feel like is a neutrally toned article. I just wanted to check back in with you so you could tell me if it seemed improved or not at all now because I wanna be able to make the best pages I possibly can. Also, another misc. question - How do you get wiki pages to show up on the front page of a google search? Does it just come naturally or is it something that an admin needs to verify? Whenever you search up "Kevin Abstract", his Wiki doesn't even pop up until like the 4th page. Just curious because I spent a lot of time on it and would like for other people to be able to see it as well. Sorry for so many questions haha, I'm kinda new to this whole thing. Thanks for the help so far though!

ChintzyTurtle (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)ChintzyTurtle


 * Hi ChintzyTurtle, thanks for your questions, I'll try to answer them to the best of my abilities. Regarding [//www.google.com/search?q= "Kevin Abstract"] on Google I get the Wikipedia article on page four as well. AFAIK no admin action would have any influence on its ranking. My own experience is that Wikipedia articles are on the first page of a Google search most of the time. My best guess is that the article is new and that you need to give old G a couple of days to index it. But since you mention the importance of getting the article high up on Google: Wikipedia has become such an important website, and is therefor frequently used for promotional purposes of subjects that are not notable. That's why there's a zero tolerance when it comes to promo. And writing here can take some time to learn, because we use what you might call a "slightly boring" style of writing. Neutral or detached would be better adjectives. So when you start here, you're maybe very enthusiastic in your writing style, and the two examples I gave you were very enthusiastic. But don't worry too much about it, if you try your best, there'll be people to help you out. A lot of leeway is given here, when we try to do our best. I've made a single edit to the article, hoping it will give you some idea of how to revise it. One thing we do here is to call a person by their last name after the first mention, i.e. Abstract not Kevin. Puts a little distance to subject. Read more in MOS:BLP. Remember, although you started the article, anybody can edit it. And they will. Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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Loonie
Good point, although it looks as if the older articles were about a different rapper - the first two articles predate the current subject's "rap debut in late 2013", and the speedydeletion wikia shows that at least the original version of the article was about somebody else entirely. --McGeddon (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * McGeddon, thanks for the observation, you might be perfectly right that the previous were not about "our" Loonie, I'll leave that to the patrolling admin to have a look at, but the title nevertheless ought to be salted. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:01, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 12:46:21, 10 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Watches1521
Hello, I was just curious as to why the article sounded like it could be read as an advertisement/ What would need to be removed/edited to make it read less like an ad? Thanks --Watches1521 (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Watches1521 (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Try just stating the facts. Try read Manual of Style/Words to watch. If you believe there are instances where praise needs to be given, then attribute it. But even if a blurb like "This service is perfect for both selling watches and trading in watches for new models." could be attributed, it'll never survive. Sounds like someone just got themselves a free watch and has their nose buried deep between two bilaterally symmetrical body parts of the benefactor. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 14:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ben Scholz - user profile
Hi, I'm not interested in creating a wikipedia page for myself, I'm just trying to fill in my profile information. Thanks Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpscholz (talk • contribs) 19:31, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not a problem, everything here can be undone one way or the other, but you did submit your user page to AfC in . If you blank Draft:Ben Scholz I will tag it for deletion. You are welcome "fill in profile information" on your user page, but please have a look at User pages and notice the section at WP:FAKEARTICLE. If you need help, please let me know. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 21:39, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Is this correct? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bpscholz Thanks, Ben Bpscholz (talk) 23:01, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * maybe correct, but for a user page it is not appropriate: it still looks like a WP:FAKEARTICLE. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 23:13, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you please review the page now?
Wikimoze (talk) 23:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC) Hey Sam, hope you're doing fine. I and other user kethrus has removed inappropriate contents which lead to advertisement to my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DNS_Made_Easy. I already submitted for review can you please review it and approve the page?

Thank you for your time!


 * Well, I can review the draft, but I technically can't accept it because you created the article in main space and then through two odd page moves now are blocking for a move of the draft. Unless it is done by an admin. Where's the fire? Why this impatience? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 23:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

About rejected article message on TienShenLong wall
Hi there Sam and nice to meet you.

FIrst of all my apologies. I´ve was on a experimental test yesterday that included a "article submit" phase among others during that test, a "simulated" one. I´ve suppose that didn't work as expected... too. I even was able to conclude the test as at the end I´ve get 2 wbrowser windos open for each mouse click despite where I´ve click over. Manual reboot has to be the solution. I think the entire test was intened to be out-of-the grid. As only a volunteer there but for been involved, a sincere: SORY. Was not my intent. Best regards,


 * Hi Tien Shen, thanks for your message. That's a cool signature you've made there. You need absolutely not apologize! You are almost too polite. You just made a test in your sandbox, and I happened to be around at articles for creation and was the one to tag it. No harm done. And the message in the yellow box on your talk page is not a "badge of shame." I will post you a welcome message instead. It you need help with anything, just let me know. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Glad to meet you. I have to say that LONG ago I´ve created this account "for testing purposes only" and after a massive huge hack attack, my previous account here and most of the others I had everywhere has to be closed at once and forever, so cannot even said goodbye. WHat has done is done. Just will say: Old Dragon, New Skin; back with a revenge after several years on the so-called "real" world, where electricity is unknow and I had to deal with. After that just say : THANKS for such warm welcome (most appreciated) and hope count with you if able, as support-guide as I thing I need a fine-tunning on some areas; to hit me to get rid where I'm rusty and to be upgraded or overhauled before do something around 'as I can do'.
 * Yestarday, on a glimpse, I´v see there is a full implemented pages describing a large list of wikispecies now.. and I wonder if any of some old friends could be, among the wikidracos wikidracos so I´ll go and drop there, say HI and grab my badge back. Then probably I can delight them with one stories I have to share. Dragons appreciate that... when other lesser ones like that "verbose-labelling-addicts" just count figures despite the beauty.
 * About the signature: I wonder if there is something available this days to shorten that 3/4-lined-old-code, or to fold to work without collapsing everywhere through other wikis I have to visit.
 * Finally, YES: "almost too polite" indeed, but that IS according with the path I´ve took and with my taste... any considering one of my goals to make that well manners to become viral someone could have another point of view, I'll appreciate anything while follows the same template, all the others that could prefer another "mood setting" or change that setting just need to visit the wikipedia's species, wikidrakos' section to check how-to do that.Thanks again Sam. We shall post again.  Tien Shen Long ''t@lk |undefined
 * If WP:SIG does not answer your questions, try posting at Village pump (technical). Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:04, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Message regarding Draft:PublicSchedule
Hi Sam!

I wonder how we can go about siting sources for PublicShedule (the article that John Brander wrote and you rejected due to lack of backing sources). As he writes, the XML-format is used by several broadcasters and TV-operators in the Nordics but this is the first (or second) time the format has been made public. The first time it was one of the co-writers, Purre Persson, who put up a wiki-page a few years ago but it was taken down (when he switched jobs I think). He still has a GitHub repository with the original specifications for the XML-format, you can find it here: https://github.com/purre would that count as a source? If not, please help us with tips on how to get backing sources for the article.

Best regards Urban Löfbom TeracomBoxer Group AB Ullo06 (talk) 07:09, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hejsan Urban. Could you for starters follow the hyperlinks in the pink box on the draft, please? In essence they will tell you why we need secondary, reliable sources to verify the subject. Don't hesitate with asking again if you have questions. Either I can help you, or I can point you to someone who can. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

List of longest sailing sloop
Hi Sam and thanks for the fast replay. As you can see and imagine I'm quite new in doing Wiki pages so any help and tip are welcome. My idea about the page was to create a more specific document with an eye on technical details (not present on other pages). On all the web I didn't find any specific list about sloop that allow you to easily identify dimensions and tech details. I see a similar approach comparing List of large sailing vessels, List of schooners and List of clipper ships. In future my idea is to expand the list up to 40 meters sloop and insert images for every vessels. Thanks! Torralta83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torralta83 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ciao . Ma dai, hai fatto un buon lavoro, wikitables erano sempre un gran dolore nel muscolo grande gluteo. ;) OK, maybe it is fine per WP:SALAT. Since we have both List of large sailing vessels and List of large sailing yachts would it be an idea to simply call it List of large sailing sloops? Think about it, no stress. ... I once sailed up close to The Maltese Falcon when it was docked up in Gibraltar and had a chat with the deck hand. That is one unbelievable vessel. A piu tardi, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 00:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ciao Sam! I've followed your suggestion! Thanks to gave the possibility to make order in a very small piece of world... at least for me! Best regards! Torralta83 —Preceding undated comment added 20:13, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Con piacere. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks!

Speedy deletion declined: User:Bpscholz
Hello Sam Sailor. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Bpscholz, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''U5 does not apply here as the user has mainspace contributions. I will explain NOTWEBHOST to him; consider MfD if page is not made less FAKEARTICLE.''' Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 15:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Duly noted, JohnCD, thanks for providing me a needed opportunity to read up on WP:CSD. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries! There is a discussion at WT:CSD which I hope will remove the exception for "résumé-style pages", which has always been difficult to interpret. JohnCD (talk) 15:35, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Dragon's Quest Scales

 * Thank you, TienShenLong, but you've only encountered a gnome here. ;) -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've consider both encountered a friend despite the wikispecies tree. lol. TienShenLong (talk) 20:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Declined Submission of privacyIDEA
Hi Sam,

thank you for reviewing my article draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:PrivacyIDEA&redirect=no)

Can you please help me to understand, how to improve the article, to get it published?

I took a look at similar articles in this IT-Network/Security area like FreeRADIUS or LinOTP. Both look rather "about" to me. Well, FreeRADIUS has an interesting section "History". Both also have no reference to any news or book. (Even FreeRADIUS - although there should be tons of ;-)

I have two reference - admitted to German news articles. But I decided to publish the privacyIDEA page in the english Wikipedia, since the German Wikipedia has not much about network/authentication/two factors.

Should I add a little "history" behind the scenes? Should I add an introduction to help our fathers generation understand, what this is about?

Thanks a lot Cornelius

Cornelinux (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Please follow the hyperlinks in the pink box on the draft with some tips on how to improve it. It might be possible to find reliable sources, but some of these things are very difficult to source to a level meeting WP:NSOFT. You are right about FreeRADIUS and LinOTP, they are both inadequately sourced. The latter has been tagged with ref improve for two years (it was created by you yourself btw), and I just tagged the former since all refs are primary. But keep in mind that Other stuff exists is not a valid argument for creating more sub-par stuff. An example: Have a look at Draft:PublicSchedule created by the developer himself and see the post above from a guy from the company. Would you be able to source that? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Thomas Klikauer - Draft
Hi Sam,

thank you for taking the time to review my very first contribution to wiki, an entry about the lecturer Thomas Klikauer, at the Australian Uni of Western Sydney. I can only agree to your critique; admittedly I had a bit of a struggle with the [A] footnoting bit. The [B] picture was sent to me by TK and he holds the copyright. For both these items, [A] and [B] I would appreciate some help: any chance you could advise me? kind regards "Sydburger" Ralf Itzwerth Sydburger (talk) 13:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydburger (talk • contribs) 12:57, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Karl Drerup entry
Hi, I've just added several references to my entry on Karl Drerup. I hope this will suffice. This is the first time I've created an entry for Wikipedia and I'm finding it rather slow going. Please let me know if you have any further advice. I'd also like to add images of Karl Drerup's work eventually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hbnj1 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * How does that look to you? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 20:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Yves Amu Klein Page
Hello Sam,

I added the citations, and reformatted Klein's page according to your suggestions and Wikipedia's directions. I hope you will find the changes satisfactory. By the way, when I started this project, all I was trying to do is to translate the already existing Yves Amu Klein page from the French Wikipedia into English. In the process, I made a few improvements to the French page (photos, hyperlinks, etc.).

Thanks for your help.

Frederic018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frederic018 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Bonjour Frederic018, et bienvenue. Have a look at the draft now. What do you think? I tried to detach the text a bit, some of it (to me) seemed to be too blog'ish, too personal. Otherwise it has adequate sources and could go into article space. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Should i really bribe someone to get approve my draft and page?
Hello Editors!?

I don't know what's wrong with all you seniors wikipedians neither you edit on mistakes nor you show us the better steps to taken to get approve article or draft? Once i created a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_Made_Easy was nominated for deletion, then i created a draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DNS_Made_Easy was declined and left the message page with this name already existing and a wikipedians left me a message what makes me need to create another draft when i already have a page? Where should i look now? at draft or page?

What are the best steps i should take to improve existing page? Can you help me for this please?

Please answer me inbox if possible

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xandios (talk • contribs) 19:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Xandios, you could slow down and start listening to the advice already given to you. As you have released the article into main space, there is no need for a draft. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok leave the draft i'm not working on it anymore! Can you please help me on page and revert it for deletion. I've removed all external links and made change in article. Check it now please ! Thank you Xandios (talk) 19:59, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Try read How to save an article proposed for deletion. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 20:14, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Sam SailorI read that and I just understood two things. Appeal for undeletion and remove Prod template otherwise page will be deleted in seven days. I've already submitted an appeal for undeletion but no hearing yet. So how to remove prod template that's matter alot which i don't know. Xandios (talk) 21:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * @Xandios: I declined the request for undeletion because the page has not yet been deleted. Discussion is still ongoing via the Articles for Deletion process; I've pointed you to the discussion page, and you've participated in the discussion. However, the discussion will last probably another week. —C.Fred (talk) 21:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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Maldives
but still it was stated indian ocean-arabian sea for a very long time and even now Maldives is listed in the Arabian sea as countries having the basin attached to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.54.156 (talk) 02:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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65.75.108.87 (talk) 20:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Please, can you help me with my article, im very new to this and I really need help 65.75.108.87 (talk) 20:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message. Yes, naturally I will help you!
 * First of all I think you write well, it's as if you know Leonaldo Kelly, alias A1kellz, and I enjoyed reading your draft.
 * You know how it is going to an audition, right? You dress up sharp, you look your best, you need to sing in tune, stick to the beat. One of life's small tests.
 * On Wikipedia there is another test. It's called "notability". The details are here, but I'll give you the lowdown: somebody else needs to have written about the person. Like a newspaper or a magazine. When I go searching for "A1kellz" or "Leonaldo Kelly" I find his Twitter account, his Youtube account and stuff like that. But no newspaper articles. Yet! Coz why should they not come in the future? It just takes some love and dedication for what we do. So, tell "Kellz" to keep on doing what he does, and do it with passion! And when one day he makes it big and the journalists are crawling all over him begging for an interview, then somebody will write an article on Wikipedia about him. And tell him I send him "Good Luck". Very best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 21:16, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, I appreciate you noticed it. Sometimes it only takes 4-5 minutes to reflect and write something else than the (much too) usual replies. Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 21:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Hasdie Hasnan
Yes! On your revert I would agree, lets G7 this! Tiggerjay (talk) 21:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 👍 Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 21:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Greetings and thank you very much for your remarks on Draft:Muddathir Abdelrahim and I finally am able to reply... I have separated publications as a sub-section for starts. Will try and edit other parts accordingly. How do i change the title? I think it should be Muddathir Abdel-Rahim as you have pointed out. With thanks! Mohammedalfatih (talk) 06:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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autobiography
hello Sam, i created an article but it was flagged by you, how can i post an article of a professional footballer without it been deleted or unapproved thanks!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abubakar Mikail Olawale (talk • contribs) 13:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You created Draft:Abubakar Mikail Olawale and submitted it, and when that was reviewed but not accepted you created Biography of Abubakar Mikail Olawale which got speedy deleted. As said on your talk page, creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Please also note that we have rules concerning user pages, and you have more or less copied your autobio to yours making it look like a WP:FAKEARTICLE. Could I ask you to trim it down yourself per WP:UPYES, please. If you allow me: you are a young man, 19 years-old, you have a talent, and that talent you should nurture! You do not do yourself or your career a favor by trying to write about yourself on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and it is WP:NOTLINKEDIN. When one day your victories on the football field have generated the required attention, somebody else will write an article about you. Good luck with what you do! -- Sam Sailor Talk! 14:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Michael Scott (music producer)
Hello Sam Sailor,

Thanks for your suggestions and yes these "behind the scenes" people are difficult to source especially when their peak was in the 1990's. I did re-submit with more valid links of what I could find. Most are from the Glenn Hughes Official website. Some new links do have photo's of Michael Scott (aka Mike Scott) at work as well. I also found some video of Michael performing on the CBS Roseanne (Barr) TV Show. He is the guy playing guitar to the right of Gaylor (singer). see following links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiC_u9_AJv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlDuU0LScFM

I also found hime performing, playing guitar on the Glenn Hughes video of song "Days of Avalon" which he produced and engineered:JKPOPPY (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVEflapTrOM

I'm not sure how to include videos in my draft. Hopefully this should should be more clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion.

Thank you for time.

Kindest Regards, JK


 * Hello JK, and thanks for posting.
 * Yes, you are right, there are lots of things and people that got press coverage pre-internet that might have made them worthy for an entry in a print encyclopedia in the past, and today they can be impossible to source properly online. Sources do not have to be available online though. The Youtube vids do not help here. There's the copyright issues and then there is the fact that he's, well, "just" playing second guitar. Again, some of these people live wonderful lives being musicians with fully booked calendars, or being producers doing record after record, and we just don't hear about them because they are not in the limelight. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 23:12, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sam Sailor,

Thanks again for taking the time to reply. Yes in the Roseanne video he is just playing second guitar but he is also part of "Fuzzatonic Scream". He along with Bobby Gaylor and Marc Bonilla signed a recording contract with Atlantic Records and Dreamworks publishing and composed most of the songs on the album. That being said, and I am sincerely asking for your help here in trying to make this happen, I truly think that he is worthy of a page. Does not that fact that he has been credited on albums that have gone multi-platinum, worked artists on major labels, had a record deal with Atlantic records and publishing deal with Dreamworks publishing mean anything? For these guys a credit on a record is all they sometimes get. But not many get the credits he has achieved. Along with some exposure in videos and TV. You did see the REP Magazine link for FOCUS AWARD BEST DRUM SOUND? Maybe that sounds goofy, Spinal Tappy, but to engineers that is a huge award. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JKPOPPY (talk • contribs) 01:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC) JKPOPPY (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Have a look at it now, JKPOPPY. I'd be happy to see you add better sources and add sources to the parts that are now unsourced, e.g. do you have a source on his birth date and early career? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Wilson A Head article
Hi. I couldn't find where to add a comment on the previous page. I hope this is the right place. The article that you reviewed just now was a much earlier draft and not my latest. I re-submitted the latest version just now, which contains tons of good references (citations) from newspapers and so on. It is dated Sept. 21. Please review THAT one and not the older versions.

Katsheron (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Katsheron. It's perfectly fine to post here. I have moved the draft to Draft:Wilson A. Head. Please see WP:MOS and MOS:LAYOUT on how to layout and structure an article. MOS will also go into the use of bold and italics. Also take a look at WP:CIT on how to format citations. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, again. I have read the pages you suggest and made changes to headings. I tried putting  signs before quotes, but the review showed it as a glaring red error, so now I have taken those out. I will resubmit my draft now. Confused on what is wrong with my references section. If you could just tell me plainly if I am supposed to put commas in certain places, or move the author to the end or whatever it is that is wrong there, it would be a big help.

Katsheron (talk) 10:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Katsheron, I don't know if we have some sort of software glitch here, in the draft gets more or less doubled in size more or less repeating what was already in it. Allow me to revert and spend a few minutes on formatting, then we'll talk here, ok? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Have a look at it now and work on WP:MOS and MOS:LAYOUT issues. When that is done, I'll help you with the citation formatting. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Sam

I noticed that too. Even when I delete the previous version, it still keeps it. So please only look at the last one. Having read the formatting pages, I made some changes to the headings. I hope that is what they want. I am at a loss as to what is wrong with my references. I hope to get this article posted before too long, as the whole family of Dr. Head are now watching to see it go up!

Katsheron (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Sam - I am going to add these symbols   to my list of references now. I hope that is what is required here for "inline citations". Questions: (1) If you are having trouble finding the newspaper articles I am referring to in my references, I would be happy to email them to you; (2) I had to take out, in the most recent draft, a number of the awards that Dr. Head won simply because there are no articles to be found where they are mentioned. I guess just saying that they are all on display for anyone to see at York University is not good enough? However, I have clear photographs which I could also email you that show his name, dates, etc., of each of these awards. Perhaps a hyperlink could be added by you as a kind of footnote proof showing the photographs as proof that they exist and that he won them? (3) can you please load a photograph of Dr. Head from this link? This is the one that the family have asked me to put up: http://www.learnquebec.ca/en/content/curriculum/social_sciences/features/missingpages/unit8/u8p170.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katsheron (talk • contribs) 15:02, 22 September 2015 (UTC)  Katsheron (talk) 15:07, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, someone will review the draft sooner or later. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

a rude editior
I was editing Bethany High when user:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi started reverting my edits. He added a warning to my talk page even after i said i will add reference. Furthermore,when i asked him to stop on his talk page, he resorted to abusive/vulgar language.The section name on his talk page is so reverting.He used the word sodding(the f word) yesterday while replying to me. I really didn't expect a user to start vulgarly abusing people to make wikipedia better. Can you please have a look and tell him to refrain from this languge. I would appreciate it if you could reply on my talk page. Blisspop 10:54, 22 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rortosthanos (talk • contribs) 10:55, 22 September 2015‎ (UTC)


 * I am going to answer here to avoid fragmentation.
 * Content first: In Bethany High you added "The principal is Mr.Robert Khin and the director is Mr.Akash Ryall." in . It was unsourced. reverted you because the addition was unsourced, and thus unverifiable. This they did because the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. That you then followed up and undid their revert is a misunderstanding on your part. But it's not a problem, there are so many things to learn here. What you should have done was to find a reliable source that supported your addition, and then add it with the source. Do you understand?
 * Behavior: Personally I seldom use words like "bloody". Forgive and forget. But I do notice that you still do not sign your talk page posts. I will leave you a message in this regard.
 * Don't be afraid to ask questions, there are lots of people here to help. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the ping. I have also advised him (to no avail it seems) about WP:SHOPPING... User talk:Param Mudgal. Morning. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  11:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no idea why they turned to me, but they are welcome. Don't expect them to know about forum shopping. This place is so convulted, that I don't know half of it myself. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

hello sam,if i cite a source can i add the info about the principal? Blisspop 15:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rortosthanos (talk • contribs)


 * Yes, if it is a reliable source. And would you now please sign your posts? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

sam i do sign my posts,however when the four tildes get displayed,the blisspop thing appears instead(Blisspop 16:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC)). ::I put the 4 tildes in the bracket to show you what i mean.How do i get mu original signature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rortosthanos (talk • contribs)
 * Have you got the "treat the above as wikimarkup" check box ticked, in your prefernces, where you put in your signature? That delinks stuff if you don't. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  16:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I checked up and the css script of my signature was faulty(some glitch). But now its fixed Blisspop (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2015 (UTC) :-)

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Hi Sam! Thanks for reviewing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SITEX_Corporation. I will look for citations on the acquisitions. I crafted this cause I like their work and they are pretty well known in Indiana, but like to stay low key for some reason. I understand why you mentioned WP:ADMASQ and WP:COI but I'll try not to be offended, ha. Just have love for places I've lived and worked in. I am modeling this article after Cintas, Alsco, Aramark and a few other linen companies. AChrisTurner (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ella Ridge View Holiday Inn
Hi sam, You have mentioned that the page got copied contents from the site.But the reason is i am the owner of the site too.The domain is registered under me and all the contents there are written by myself.Can you please consider this fact and help me to resolve this issue.Thanks for your quick review! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkvisit (talk • contribs) 18:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Dinkar Joshi
Entry on Gujarati author Dinkar Joshi appears in Gujarati edition of Wikipedia.

The author's notability has already been established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.11.102 (talk) 02:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's great, then notability just has to be established here. At the time of submission, the draft had one useful reference. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Tom Powers - Detroit - Musician Extraordinaire
Hi Sam, I read some of the musicians notability criteria acceptance reasons and it says if the musician meets one that could qualify and Tom does meet several.

2.Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart: I explained that in the wiki-article that his song 'It Ain't Love' hit the billboard 100 charts from his album Love and Learn.

5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels: He was signed by Arista and Big Tree both national recording labels.

11.Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network: His song Rise and Shine played every morning on WNIC radio station for 15 years - in Detroit

12.Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network: WNIC Radio Station in Detroit - Jim Harper Radio personality

Do you need picture proof of albums... and a copy of the billboard 100 chart and Jim Harper to write in? I can provide all these items. Joann Powers Sept 24 2015 "Joannpowers (talk) 21:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)"


 * we just need WP:42 to show it. And the puffery needs to go. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 21:38, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You send me an email asking: "Sam how do I send proof of the notability items mentioned in my article about Tom Powers? I do not see anywhere to show the news articles or pictures of his albums etc." Please read the advice given in the pink and grey box on the draft: follow the links, read the instructions, then ameliorate the draft accordingly. I have found and added one reference. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:56, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

12:03:59, 25 September 2015 review of submission by 49.248.72.55
(1) The subject's notability is well established as he has been covered in Gujarati edition of WIKIPEDIA.

(2) Even in English edition of Wikipedia, his work is sighted at several places.
 * That's great, then it will likely be easy for you to add references to the draft. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:07, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Start-Class
Thanks Sam! Learned one more thing. I was bracing for a strike out but got on first base instead. Thanks for the encouragement - means a lot to a newbie. Skigg (talk) 20:49, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. Have a look at Zhou Shutao now, I made some minor changes. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Deletion?
Hi Sam-- You left me a note warning me about deleting things on talk pages (NeilN's, I believe). I assume you have some good reason for doing this; however, aside from revisions to my own language...maybe, so very minor edits, I frankly have no idea what you're talking about. I agree any significant deletion would likely be vandalism and would not knowingly do that. Do you have a reference for what specific material was removed? Is it possible you're mistaken in some way? If I've accidentally done this thing, knowing what I've done would be helpful in avoiding it in the future. Even a hint about what you're talking about would be appreciated. Thanks. 'R. Aldhemar' Randall Adhemar (talk) 11:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the, you deleted - by mistake I assume - numerous posts by other users. For details on talk page dos and don'ts have a read at Talk page guidelines. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:31, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

MEMOIRS BY K.K.SUBRAMANIAN
36k essay -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:34, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anujan1933 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And with that you meant what? Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor Talk! 08:31, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Question
What was wrong with my BTOB edits? Bom97 (talk) 12:09, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Do me the courtesy and link to the article in question, please. I looked it up through your contribs, BtoB (band). Read my edit summary: WP:MOSDATE applies. Don't worry about it, the Manual of Style is big, it's easy to make mistakes. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:15, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

It just says "Reverted 5 pending changes? Maybe I'm not checking the right place? Bom97 (talk) 20:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's possible, you should be checking WP:MOSDATE -- Sam Sailor Talk! 22:30, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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Article draft "Eyal Nir" rejected
Can you please explain what is missing with the current Reference part and what can I do to improve it so my article is approved?Eyalnirr (talk) 10:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, WP:42. But I think Draft:Eyal Nir epitomizes how difficult it is to create a factual, neutral autobiography. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

So you do you suggest I should do as I have already provided reliable independent references supporting the article's text? Can you give me a relevant example of something I can add so my article is approved? Eyalnirr (talk) 11:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 11:10:57, 27 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Dey.sanjoy
Hello Sam,

I am new to wiki article. I am not sure what else to fix, could you please help ?

Dey.sanjoy (talk) 11:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read the advice given in the pink and grey box on the draft: follow the links, read the instructions, then ameliorate the draft accordingly. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sam I read the instructions you sent across, but still don't understand where going wrong. Even i have checked Cite "Error Check" but no error found in the article. Could you please help ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dey.sanjoy (talk • contribs) 15:04, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks!
Glad to see you're still about. Just spotted the Leonard Cohen quote on your userpage too - great stuff!  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:02, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, friend. Yeah, if I wasn't such a lazy bastard, I'd make some Erik Clausen stubs. But I'm a victim to my own mediocrity. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:07, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for Three Seals Law
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 * Chrispasuk. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 08:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Model minority
Hello how are you. User talk:Hewdropsbow still keep removing sourced informtation from the article Model minority, by claiming that indian do cover pakisitani?.Jobas (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ - replied on the Talk:Model minority, reverted in the article and left a comment on the user talk page in question. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

gymnast star
I love WIKI

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Anine Bing
Hi there Sam,

Im just trying to correct the information that is not correct in this article. No major changes but some information is just not right and very misleading.. Is there anything we can do to fix this? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fridaaberganinebing (talk • contribs) 16:54, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


 * In regards to your edits on Anine Bing, certainly no one would mind if you used the template on the article talk page. Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:07, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 22:49:58, 30 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by The original destroyers
I understand that I made a poor choice of username but please read the draft without prejudging. I chose the name because it was an easy reference to the subject matter and nothing else.

As for notability, i can point to hundreds of bands with less "notability" than the Destroyers. Is there a magic number of books that reference the band or is that just a personal thing. How about websites, facebook pages? How many records does a band or its members have to be credited with to satisfy the reviewer? Notability is such a subjective criteria that it cries out for some standardization.

How many people submitting this page will satisfy the criteria of non "external" submissions.

Any indication you give me of what is required would be gratefully received. Thanks The original destroyers (talk) 22:49, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

The original destroyers (talk) 22:49, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read the advice given in the pink and grey box on the draft: follow the links, read the instructions, then ameliorate the draft accordingly. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 01:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Advice regarding my post you edited
Hey Sam! Thanks a lot for looking at my draft article. It is (was originally) titled Robert (Bob) Nicholls. I noticed you changed the title to Robert Nicholls. I don't mind this at all but I just wanted to ask- there is already a page on Wikipedia called Robert Nicholls, who is a completely different person. Does this matter? It is the reason I titled mine Robert (Bob) Nicholls- to distinguish the two. My other question is on my watch page there seems to be a duplicate of my article. Again, does this matter?! Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it. Best wishes, Emma — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cladoselache (talk • contribs) 10:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Emma, and thanks for your message. Your questions are perfectly valid. When we have two subjects with the same name/term, we disambiguate. In this case we would most likely move (=rename) Robert Nicholls to Robert Nicholls (politician), move Draft:Robert Nicholls to main space as Robert Nicholls (illustrator) and then let Robert Nicholls list these two subjects. Quite befitting have a look at Robert Nichols. When you talk about a duplicate on your watchlist I presume you are seeing both Draft:Robert (Bob) Nicholls and Draft:Robert Nicholls. The former is a redirect to the latter following the move. Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:32, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah HAH! That makes perfect sense and explains everything :-) Thank you so much for replying so quickly and for taking the time to explain so clearly. Have a lovely day! Best wishes, Emma — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cladoselache (talk • contribs) 14:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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regarding new page rejection DJ Revitalise
Hi sam, i reviewed the new page i started. i added citations to the websites where i found the information. Just wondering what more i can do here? can you please help me?

Regards Jack Simpson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicblogger2015 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Musicblogger2015. Could you for starters follow the hyperlinks in the pink box on the draft, please? In essence they will tell you why we need secondary, reliable sources to verify the subject. And read WP:MOS and MOS:LAYOUT on how to layout and structure an article. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

hi sam i have based this layout on the correct page layout structure i believe, i did read the hyperlinks and im not sure what ive forgotten. the page looks like other wiki pages to me? when i compare it? are you able to hep me edit it? im new to html, and would like to share my knowledge on wikipedia and add new information on pages that don't currently exist. Jack.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicblogger2015 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cut the html tags and apply Wikipedia markup. Then add secondary sources. Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor Talk! 14:06, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

secondary sources i have provided alot i believe. 37 citations also. thanks for your help. Jack ````Musicblogger2015```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicblogger2015 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * HTML tags are those contained inside, except for ref tags. In this case  ,  , and   are still present. Wikipedia markup: Open Manual of Style/Text formatting in a separate window. Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

ok i have understood what you meant now. editing the source and the other edit page makes it confusing sometimes. i believe now its been edited in a manner you seem fit. i noticed the page has changed our some parts are listed. with little arrows not sure how they got there. unless its a result of the html now gone. or its something you perhaps edited.

i removed the html  and ,il.

i have also understood how to sign the post. hope it will work for this one, i made a mistake on the last post im sorry. Musicblogger2015 (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

hi sam just cheking in ,ahvent heard back from you yet. excited to get this page finished so i can start some more wiki pages. can you please help me to round off.Musicblogger2015 (talk) 07:07, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Try to address the sourcing issues. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi again Sam, when you have time, please review my page again. the sources are good i believe now. scoured google and came up with as much as i can. Hope its satisfactory so i can write up another article. Musicblogger2015 (talk) 17:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi sam, just wondering if you have had time to approve my sources for my page. Or if you have any more tips for me.Musicblogger2015 (talk) 12:23, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't do that, the sourcing issues have not been solved. For starter, what is the source of subject's date of birth? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:28, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi sam, yes i believed i had included this particular citation. in the end it had got deleted i see i guess from redoing the citations. now i have rectified this 1st citation to ref the DOB.

thanks Musicblogger2015 (talk) 15:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is a self-published source, subjects press kit, and it might pass, but I had hoped for something better, a good, long interview from a reliable source, a solid review of a concert of his. As WP:42 famously summarizes: "Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic." That does not seem to be the case with DJ Revitalise, I can't find anything of importance to add, at least. Sorry, I'm unable to be of much more help in this case. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:48, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

10:57:20, 5 October 2015 review of submission by BernsReel
Requesting to understand why the article was declined or not yet approved. I would like to learn how to properly post an article or contribute to Wikipedia. I thought I was following the TOS.


 * Please read the advice given in the pink and grey box on the draft, and in my comment: follow the links, read the instructions, then ameliorate the draft accordingly. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

The Diplomat (2015) response
Hi Sam Sailor:

Not sure if your note on my film page will be holding up the approval, but I wanted to let you know I will be revising the page to better follow the Manual Style/Film guidelines.

My questions is this: Should I wait until the page is approved or not approved to make the changes or can I go ahead and alter the page now?

And here is one more question for you...the guideline state that films with similar names should be named like this: The Diplomat (2015 film) How do I change the name of the overall page to reflect this guideline?

If you can, please reply to this note on the page I created. Thank you!!!

JWS

10:33am EST, 10/05/15 Sludaw (talk) 14:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. I have moved the draft to Draft:The Diplomat (2015 film). Focus on the film. That means: cut the coatrack'ing and follow the MOS. The film is notable, no doubt. Tone it down. "Remarkable" "singular". Cut it out. Belongs on a blog, not here. Remember what Gertrude Stein told a young writer in Paris: drop the adjectives. He did, and then he did well. His last name rhymes on lemming-clay. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 01:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Draft:List_of_Notable_Streets
Hey - This is what I have in mind as a minimum requirement for inclusion: A pre-existing wiki page that expands on a street's notability, coupled with a reason a street may be notable beyond just being a big street: Being the hub of an industry - particularly becoming strongly associated/metonymous with that industry or being the subject of popular media. Each of the streets in this revision meets multiple elements of this criteria. About 1/3rd have their notability mentioned in external lists, and I'd guess I could provide an external reference for most entries from national tourism sites without too much trouble. I also figured making this into a table asking for images/articles/reasons for notability creates a barrier for throwing in just any street. Is there a way to lay out these criteria explicitly and enforce them on a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thare (talk • contribs) 14:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. Please remember that new discussion page messages and topics should always be added to the bottom. In the future you can use the "New section" link in the top right. For more details see the talk page guidelines. First of all and most importantly: I salute you for a great job! Wikitables aren't easy, you have put a lot of hours into that list, and the result is good looking. Now to the sour part: I think we are heading straight for the rocks with an article title like this and lack of exclusion/fluffy inclusion criteria; "pre-existing wiki page" that's fine, but then it becomes open to interpretation "that expands on a street's notability". From there on it gets worse "Being the hub of an industry" ... "being the subject of popular media". I fear we would have a situation where users from every 1+ million inhabitants city would like to squeeze in a main street. And I bet they could find a source too that supported the street in question being unique and special and subject of popular media. Ah, we don't have a limit, do we? Jerusalem is sub-1M. So in comes all the other sub-1M cities, Dublin, Amsterdam, Oslo, Copenhagen, and they shout WP:GEOBIAS at 120dB. Not to speak about: where's Africa? ... I hate to sound discouraging, I know I do. ... I had a look around, we have WikiProject Lists and I will post over there and ask for some feedback on your draft. Whatever happens with this draft, don't give up on Wikipedia. If I can be of any help, never hesitate to drop me a line. And in closing: I think you are pretty creative when you include Canal Grande on such a list. :-) Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 23:59, 5 October 2015 (UTC) P.S. Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks!

1. Culturally Significant (site of major government buildings, monuments, museums, tourist attraction, historical events, metonymy etc. with wiki-pages as appropriate) 2. Functions as its city’s main industrial hub (Retail, Fashion, Media, Finance, etc.), with the understanding that major world cities may have multiple hubs 3. Site of major landmarks or events which also have their own pre-existing wiki pages 4. Subject of works of popular culture which also have a pre-existing wiki pages 5. Meets the criteria for a significant superlative (longest, widest, most expensive etc.) as confirmed by a reputable source. Obviously any list of notable things is going to have gray area, but I think this is fairly rigorous and will keep a lot of unnecessary entries away. Again though, it's one thing to lay out criteria, but I have no idea how to enforce it. Also it's been suggested that this list bit work better in pieces (like Notable streets of South America, etc.) - would that help with anything? Also I did try to see if any African roads made it onto some pre-existing compilations, but bias is real and most of those lists are very US/Europe heavy. I'm trying to beef-up the South America representation now and WILL double back to dig up African streets that meet this criteria, though I'm guessing they'll be harder to find. Thare (talk)
 * First of all thanks for seeing that I'm new and going easy on me! I've thought about it and tried to formalize a more rigorous inclusion criteria which is as follows:
 * 1) A pre-existing Wikipedia entry with images
 * 2) An external site from a reputable source which mentions the notability of the street
 * 3) At least TWO of the following mentioned on the Wikipedia page and which can be independently confirmed:
 * As you say yourself: Bingo. Take a look at Stand-alone lists with emphasis on § Selection criteria. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:48, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Dermata Cluj
What is the point to keep this empty pages 2011–12 Liga IV and 2015–16 Liga IV with redirect when is supposed to be with the league tables ? Did you edit before Romanian football ? If you want you should help, there are many things missing. I have finished my Dermata Cluj article also, have a look and accept it. Thank you.Alexiulian25 (talk) 09:01, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * If you have a better suggestion for the targets of the two redirects 2011–12 Liga IV and 2015–16 Liga IV go ahead and edit, but I see no reason to blank them. If you want to make articles under those titles, let me know, and I'll tag them for deletion prior to moving your drafts. I haven't edited Romanian football, it's not my turf so to speak. But coincidently I once had a girlfriend whose family emigrated from Cluj-Napoca. Lovely people, we are still in infrequent contact. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:11, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, that is great, I live close to Cluj-Napoca also, the team I created is from Cluj also, a old team who merged with the big CFR Cluj in 1960.
 * I do not want to make this articles yet, because the priority is to improve Liga II, Liga III, Cupa Romaniei - Romanian Cup, and last in the list is Liga IV.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * When do you plan to have a look on my article Dermata Cluj ?? It is the time to be accepted, it is no more to write about this small romanian team. Is the last team who played in Liga I without a page.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Presumably Draft:Dermata Cluj. Due to not any time soon. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * What it is a Diff ? I did not know that I can not remove that. Sorry. What is wrong with the article ? I did the best for it, is no more to write about it. Please be gentle and accepted. Thank my friend.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I am just another volunteer here trying to help out at e.g. WP:AFC. As I did the last review, I prefer that someone else does the next. Have patience, please. A diff is the difference between two edits. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:58, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Mysticism
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Mysticism. Legobot (talk) 00:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

A/Prof Ned Abraham - Draft
Dear Sam Sailor,

Thank you for reviewing our first draft for the page.

Your Comment: As far as I can tell, all "references" now found in section /References/ instead of inline are publications by subject. Rename that section to something like /Selected works/ and turn it into a bulleted list removing the ref tags. Then find some reliable sources on subject and add them inline. If you need any help and guidance just leave me a message on my talk page. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I have made the updates that you suggested and renamed the references section to be called "Selected Works" and made that section bulleted.

On the question of reliable sources. Are you able to take a closer look at the "Selected Works" which have links to let me know if any of them are "in" or "out" in terms of reliable sources?

With this I was going to request further information from Ned on the context of the production of the items listed. I then will need some help with how to do the technical referencing in line as I was having trouble with that...

Thank you very much for your advice.

Kind regards,

VirginiaHalford (talk) 02:09, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Have a look at this advice, consult the Manual of Style/Biographies, and please add citations. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Draft: Jonny Holmstrom
Dear Sam Sailor,

Thanks you for reviewing the draft and providing instructions for improvement. I added additional references to provide evidence for notability of this particular academic. Also, I changed back to professor (from associate prof): the CV with associate professor tittle found online was outdated and and I replaced it with an updated faculty directory citation. Please see the new version and please let me know if there is a need for further editing/referencing. 131.212.4.169 (talk) 14:14, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

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Page notability and list reference
Hiya, a month ago, the St Joseph School page was rejected based on lack of notability. A reference to this school already exists on wikipedia lists, so could the subject not already be considered notable because of that fact? I am not sure how much more notable facts that I can find about the school, as I seem to have exhausted online references. I would be sad to see this page not get created, as this is the only US-based St Joseph School not to have a page on wikipedia. Thank you! [] [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjcraig (talk • contribs) 15:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but the fact that everybody can edit Wikipedia, does not mean everything can be written on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, a vanity press. All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy, citing reliable, authoritative sources. Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:11, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It was written by me. Sjcraig (talk) 15:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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Mahmoud Abdel Moghny
Thanks for asking me about possibility of reviving page. But as discussion came to a concensus of delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahmoud Abdel Moghny it is just too early to try to reestablish it so soon. In any case, we have an Arabic page for the individual here محمود عبد المغني which is sufficient for now. Anyway most of those interested in the Arab World do have access to that quite extensive presentation. werldwayd (talk) 23:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Ranthambore Fort
I'm not sure the editor wasn't right about who founded it. See the UNESCO link I added to the talk page. Doug Weller (talk) 16:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Neither am I, and after having browsed sources it is likely UNESCO is right in saying that "the exact origin of the Ranthambhore fort is still disputed". It's also possible that parts of the material removed should either be pruned or be better sourced, but a 4.8k deletion of otherwise sourced material without at least an explanation in the edit summary is bound to be treated under WP:BLANKING. If you think I have been unjust while STiki'ing, please do revert me. Since the heading on Talk:Ranthambore Fort is "Disputed dates", notice that the 944 CE assertion/assumption was not disputed as such. I will leave Ranaharra a message. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Sam Shephard GC
Hi. Noticed that this was declined. Being awarded the GC would make him notable in terms of WP:SOLDIER. I see on List of George Cross recipients that there is already a redlink for him - under the name Samuel John Shephard. Gbawden (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Gbawden, you appear to be absolutely correct in what you say, I have removed my decline of the draft. Thank you for correcting me. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. I have my moments :) Gbawden (talk) 09:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

An admin request you might be interested in
Hi, you might be interested in this edit, which has not yet been responded to. Thank you for your vigilance in this matter. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Copenhagen
Hi, thank you for what you did to List of Rectors of the University of Copenhagen. I created the article two years back but shied away from categorizing the individual rector bios and adding the missing (1537-1850) part. I see the number of red links in the page outweigh the blue links. I wonder if you know folks who will be interested in creating the articles.

I feel there is a scope to create a page listing all red linked rectors/academic heads of universities (not limited to Denmark) and link it from WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. All of them would pass our notability requirements per WP:PROF (criteria 6).

I note there is WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Thomson-Reuters most cited scientists but albeit with a different scope. Solomon7968 17:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message, Solomon. I'm game on writing those bios, 1850-present should be quite easy. Do you want to start from the bottom, then I start from the top? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Request for assistance on Draft:VICIS
notability update with new verifiable links

Sam, wanted to check in on the notability updates in the VICIS page. Added a number of third-party links. I think these changes will satisfy your notability requirement. Thanks,

Ray

Thepantry (talk) 17:30, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The tone of the draft should be addressed, it starts out bad with "Seattle-based VICIS, Inc. is developing new football helmet technology that better addresses forces thought to cause concussion." and gets worse, e.g. "VICIS is filling this void by completely re-imagining the football helmet." -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:37, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Sam, thanks for the feedback on the proposed VICIS article. Can you give me a little more information regarding the tone? Is it too commercial, too vague, something else? I could use a little more direction in order to fix the problem. On a separate note, can you tell me if I've satisfied the notability requirement? Thanks,

Ray Thepantry (talk) 22:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Ray. Two year old company, working on a sports (football) helmet, not yet on the market. Did I get that right? I think you need to refocus here. The WP:ARTICLETITLE suggest that the reader will get info on a company, but right from the third word the promo-propulsion churns away talking flattery about a product that is still on the drawing board/in development. Mentioning products or services in business related articles are naturally not prohibited, but featuring them in the WP:LEAD easily leaves an impression of WP:PROMOTION, and notice that our notability guideline for organizations and companies expressly states that "If the products and services are not notable enough for their own article, the discussion of them should be trimmed and summarized into a shorter format, or even cut entirely." The tone in the draft is really perfect, e.g. "VICIS is filling this void by completely re-imagining the football helmet." and several other examples, that's perfect for a marketing brochure; but no good for an encyclopedia. So focus. Or maybe WP:TNT and start from scratch only using what the secondary sources say. Yup, it'll be short, it'll be without passion, but that's how it done here. For inspiration on writing better articles about companies and organizations read WikiProject Companies/Guidelines. I hope this helps. By the way, did the Swedish bicycle airbag-helmet Hövding make it to the US yet? Youtube -- Sam Sailor Talk! 00:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Sam, I sincerely appreciate your feedback. I'm going to post a new draft of the article that expunges the marketing speak and self flattery. I've linked all claims in the new draft to credible, third-party sources. The one thing that will remain is a focus on the product. At its current stage, the company VICIS is the helmet it will introduce next year.

I've never seen the Hovding helmet. That would be one heck of sight on the football field.

Thanks again. I hope the next draft is much closer to acceptable. Best,

Ray Thepantry (talk) 05:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

American Ghost Army
The first edit was actually going to be on the AGA, a group connected with the Italian Mafia. The new article, the Quibb, is literally a first-time start-up. I need some help in giving sources for it though. This is the first time I have submitted "The Quibb". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrfriendlybee (talk • contribs) 18:06, 13 October 2015‎ (UTC)


 * I can't help you. What you have submitted in your is utterly not for Wikipedia. If you want to get serious about editing here by all means contact me again. Otherwise please do not. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 08:55, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Removal of speedy deletion templates
Sir, you and tagged Way Well for speedy deletion, but both times the page creator who is promoting himself removed the template.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Way_Well&action=history

--223.176.0.138 (talk) 10:31, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for leaving me a message about this, it has been taken care of. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Why do you block me?

 * You are not blocked. As for the contents dispute please take it to the talk page if you so wish, but do not keep edit warring for your preferred point of view. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and a bit of respect towards process and fellow editors would be most befitting. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:05, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

i already did it to the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowweatyh (talk • contribs) 11:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a sock of an indef blocked editor. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 12:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

N'Diaga Samb
Hi. You removed the prod tag for this article, and I have no issue with that, I'm just trying to figure out if my understanding of the prod blp is correct. When I initially read it, I thought that it had to be at least one reliable source. I saw the one reference, but when I went to WP:prodblp, it says that the references need to be reliable. Now, re-reading the guideline, I see that I was in error (I think), and that reliability is not a condition, it can be even a non-RS citation. Is that correct? Thanks.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . Yes, your reread is correct. Reliability is not a condition if there is a source that confirms anything about subject. (A common analogue mistake is to tag with BLP unsourced in articles without inline citations but one or more URLs in say § External links.) However, if no source of any kind is present, and Prod blp is added, then it can only be removed once a RS is added. Even among admins this is sometimes misunderstood. I had recently endorsed a PRODBLP, the creator (likely subject) added two sources, articles written by himself and posted online; an admin removed the Prod blp. I left her a polite note asking her to reexamine those two sources pointing to WP:BLPPROD and WP:IRS; she did, and deleted the article. No big deal. Just goes to show the finer details of some rules can be tricky.
 * Likewise the rules concerning WP:PROD are sometimes misunderstood: WP:CONTESTED: anybody can contest a PROD by removing it, no need for sourcing, no need for edit summary, and it may not be reverted and may not be re-added. An editor with more than 10 years under his belt recently misunderstood that at AfD.
 * There's a lot to learn here. I recently tagged a userpage that was a WP:FAKEARTICLE with CSD#U5, only to have it declined and asked to take it to MfD. Why? Because the user had made more than a handful of edits in main space, and then CSD#U5 is no longer a possibility. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the detailed explanation. Definitely get it now.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 18:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

sipXcom project
Hi Sam Sailor,

Trying to get my page approved and keep running into roadblocks. I just got the third rejection and this is getting frustrating.

This page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SipXcom) is not substantially different from the format of the project it was forked from sipXecs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_Communications_System_sipXecs). We do want to have a page for the new project however under the new name.

I've added sources, I've simplified, not sure why now this is 'not notable'.

Thanks, Mike

Mpicher (talk) 12:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Effectively you are telling me that you are paid to edit that draft, is that correct? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:24, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? No.  This is for an open source project (www.sipxcom.org / wiki.sipxcom.org).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpicher (talk • contribs) 14:25, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I am talking about you saying that SipXcom was forked from SipXecs, and that's what VP of Product Innovation at eZuce, Inc. one Michael Picher does here. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

13:48:03, 15 October 2015 review of submission by DanielgalvinOBE
Hi Sam, Your comment on submission suggested that I was writing an autobiography when this is not a case - I am Sonia Lall writing about Daniel Galvin - a prominent person in the hair industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielgalvinOBE (talk • contribs) 13:48, 15 October 2015‎ (UTC)


 * Hmm, ok. Strange choice of username. I see has posted on your talk page. If it's partly a matter of you forgetting passwords to the other accounts, please say so so we can remove two of the three drafts and move forward. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * DanielgalvinOBE, why did you claim on Draft talk:Daniel Galvin (2) that your name was "Jessica Psalia"? Does more than one person have the password to this account and is more than one person using it? That is strictly forbidden. Voceditenore (talk) 16:12, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, did they claim another name over there? *Sigh* Thanks, Voceditenore. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 16:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam. I've asked for clarification on User talk:DanielgalvinOBE here. Then I'm going to ask an administrator to look at the situation. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . The older accounts are stale, otherwise we could have filed an SPI. I'm all for WP:PI, but in a case like this we could maybe circumvent WP:LIGHTBULB-symptoms with a very simple cure: either you or I write a short stub on Daniel Galvin. Then the drafts can be left to a silent G13 death. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam. Yes, I'd thought about a preemptive strike as well. I've done a couple of those at AfC, although in both cases they were caused by editors who simply could not wrap their heads around "no copyvio". I guess the main problem here is that an article might then be the subject of constant inappropriate "improvements". The two previous accounts ( User:DanielGalvin1 and User:Colourguru2015) are not worth worrying about, but this current account is almost certainly being shared by 2 employees of a PR agency hired by Galvin. That will certainly have to be dealt with if that account keeps editing. Voceditenore (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Voceditenore, you are right and I have posted a Uw-paid1 on their talk page. Yes, a Daniel Galvin would have to be watched, but at least we would save precious time at AfC trying to explain the BLP policies and declining the drafts. But I'll heed your advise any day. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I'm going to go ahead and create a brief article, and we'll just have to watch it. I note that Daniel Galvin had been deleted in 2011 as copyvio and blatant advertising. It appears to have been created by someone from a different PR agency. Plus ça change and all that. . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:29, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Mais oui,, après nous, le déluge! ;) Can I be of any assistance? My gut feeling from when we met once in an BLP about an oboist (?) is that you'd rather DIY. Could I collect a bunch of cite books with quotes and drop them in a sandbox for your consideration? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It's blue now. Put it on your watchlist and heaven help us! SMirC-crazy.svg Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:26, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Moving forward, I am the PR representative of Daniel Galvin and writing this article freely and for no profit as he is a prominent person in the hair industry such as Charles Worthington and Vidal Sassoon that both have pages. I have been unaware of the strict structure of Wikipedia and the guidelines but would appreciate any help on how to move forward and make one final edit for the page to be accepted. Or does the page have to be completely deleted and re-created to be reconsidered? Jessica Psaila (talk) 10:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * @Jessica Psaila: An article on Daniel Galvin has been made in main space by . I don't think it is marginally possible to believe that you were trying to write an article about Daniel Galvin for no profit when you run a small PR company and list him as a client. I'm always glad to help other people who without auxiliary motives edit on Wikipedia and contribute to this extraordinary experiment. Single purpose accounts should read our policy Conflict of interest and edit accordingly. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Aboobacker Amani (Calicut Review)
Now added some of reffsEditorFromAsia (talk) 12:03, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Aboobacker Amani is not only not notable, the article you created makes no credible claim of significance. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 12:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Your query on my ml.wikipedia talk page

 * കാലിക്കറ്റ്‌ റിവ്യൂ was created by an IP 163.47.13.22 on 8th october 2015.


 * Other accounts involved in editing is


 * 1) CalicutReview
 * 2) SunnyCJoseph
 * 3) 2406:5600:5a:1fd7:f1d0:c85b:ae84:2c55
 * 4) Ranjithsiji
 * 5) Sriharitvm
 * 6) AamPP

And thankyou for your warning of ഉപയോക്താവ്:Sriharitvm. i will double check what ever he has edited. Irvin calicut (talk) 08:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Follow up 2. Me to pretty sure that UserRanjithsiji is not involved as what he did was trying to revert some edits by them. you can leave userranjithsiji out of this . Thankyou Irvin calicut (talk) 09:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Regional At Best
Hi Sam Sailor. Could you keep an eye on Regional At Best? User:JohnBelsha created it after you and I redirected the Regional at Best article. Yeepsi (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sure, I'll watchlist it. Did you try to address the creator directly? It might be a simple situation where they are convinced the album is viable under NALBUMS, but they want to have credit for creating it. Obviously per normal spelling the article should be at Regional at Best, the one you redirected. Best, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 18:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Moved it to their user space. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 18:30, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

MOS on List of WWE personnel
Do you think List of WWE personnel passes WP:MOS?-Keith Okamoto (talk) 22:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If you have specific concerns, I'd be glad to help. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 22:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I saw what you did on the List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel page and I was just wondering about the List of WWE personnel page and seeing if it passed MOS.-Keith Okamoto (talk) 23:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, let's get back to work. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 23:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

EMA edit.
Sam Sailor, add the list of European and other continents winners, as cited, because they had been removed as a result of the vandalism and left out of dateElaych22 (talk) 09:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Do me the courtesy and link to the article you are talking about, thanks. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * http://uk.mtvema.com/voteElaych22 (talk) 09:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's an external link. Are you talking about 2015 MTV Europe Music Awards? I'll answer you there. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * yes I am and updating that article to mention the list of all winners that was removed to protect it.Elaych22 (talk) 10:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * The addition was unsourced. If you need help adding a source, let me know - it's easy when you get the hang of it. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 22:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Full Service (book)
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What is the problem in saying that there is no evidence for God in the page Deus, if it is undebatably true? Guilherme freire123 (talk) 17:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Undebatable true"? We don't care about your truth, we care about what secondary sources say. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * A nice, yummy cuppa, just what I needed, thank you for the kind gesture, . -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:42, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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-jonnie craig page. Made an edit to make it more concise and to the point. There was a lot of useless information up there. The edits were made to make it a more simple and broad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.104.16 (talk) 23:11, 21 October 2015‎ (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention, . I had a look at the article again, and it is in dire need of better sources. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 10:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Request on 04:30:34, 23 October 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Dawit Tesfa
why was my article denied

Dawit Tesfa (talk) 04:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It was declined for now, but you are encouraged to work on it. Please read the advice given in the pink and grey box on the draft, and in my comment: follow the links, read the instructions, then ameliorate the draft accordingly. Thanks, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 08:22, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Rubus durescens
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Vandalism on "Your Highness"
Hi, I made an addition to the "Your Highness" article earlier and you reverted it, claiming it was vandalism. Do you really believe that calling that movie a "stoner" film constitutes vandalism? Note the title. Thanks 110.32.147.60 (talk) 13:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you are right, it is good. Thanks for correcting me. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:20, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

1884
Yes, we are discussing the matter on Dada Lekhraj. The correct date is 1884 which supported by references. The 1876 date is wrong. --79.64.208.41 (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

regarding new page rejection Xodus 11:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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Draft:Govberg Jewelers
by Watches1521. 1521 is part of their address, 1521 Walnut St. It's either them or a PR person. Doug Weller (talk) 10:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine observation. When they asked 10 September "why the article sounded like it could be read as an advertisement" my answer was . -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good answer! Doug Weller (talk) 13:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:53, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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About the talk page of Internet Horror Movie Database
Hello Sam Sailor, in the talk page of the internet horror movie database you have writtern: "Nothing to do here, it's not a valid request. Please refrain from cross-posting, this looks identical to your filing at ANI. Notice that the AfD closed as a redirect to Antony Coia and further edits on this talk page will largely be in vain." What do you mean? That there aren't any possibility in the future to re-open the page? Thank you--Pizzole (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No. It just was not a valid edit request. It was a verbatim copy of what you subsequently posted at ANI. Please take my advice: stop the argumenting now and take some time off from Wikipedia. You are not doing yourself a favor right now with what you write on ANI. I say this with a good and kind intention. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:26, 26 October 2015 (UTC)