User talk:Sam Spade/PV chat

My response to your reason for not defending the TRUTH nor me-PV
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[edit]PV If anyone is able or willing to help Paul Vogel (See wikien-1 mailing list), I'd expect he'd appreciate it. - Woodrow XXIIIII, Emperor of the United States, Minister of Ministry 20:08, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I am already acting in his defense, is he requesting a different advocate or what? I no longer use the mailing list, so a link to or cut/paste of his exact request would be appreciated. Sam Spade 20:19, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think Calmypal/Woodrow may not have been aware that you were already involved, Sam. I haven't seen any request for a different advocate, and Paul has mentioned you recently in a way that I would assume he still sees you in that capacity. But you may want to check out the posts on wikien-l anyway, if you haven't already, because the arbitration committee may well consider it as evidence. I trust you know how to find the archives, even if you no longer subscribe. --Michael Snow 20:39, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, I am not asking anyone else to be my advocate, Sam Spade, although, you really should have read my own honest response to "Texture"'s typical slanderous and "false-witnessing", first, and before your own posting of that comment. -Paul Vogel

Kangaroo court for Thoughtcrime or for Paul Vogel's NPOV edits being pov and falsely called "vandalism" or "spam" when it is really for my lacking Political correctness or for my posting Hate speech in the Social Marxist-Jewish pov of the actual "Haters", "Trolls", and their POV political bigots and "Censorship": of this article[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cosmotheism&action=history) on Cosmotheism[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cosmotheism&oldid=3472204) below: and many others:

PS-BTW: Actually, some of those "criticisms" links for Judaism were actually your idea, Sam Spade, remember? The actual and only point of my posting these "criticisms" links to Judaism was only to NPOV have the two very false and slanderously pov links to Cosmotheism that were posted by "David Gerard" deleted, both for NPOV and to demonstrate that no such pov biased and to protest that no such pov double-standards should be allowed to stand within ANY religious Wikipedia articles. :D

That's just it: we want political correctness. That's part of NPOV. NPOV is not puttingin one POV section and balancing it out with another, it's keeping the whole article neutral. The Anti-Semitic site you linked to is insane nonsense about how the Jews secretly control the world, while the Cosmotheism criticisms were about Cosmotheism. That site had no information to contribute about the Jews and Judaism, it was just saying that they're all evil (well, no true information). Hoping you're reading this, George Washington III 01:32, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

That’s a POV of your own, Calmy. I dislike PC about as much as Paul does, to be honest. Your statements about his site are also POV, but I have to say, it’s not a particularly coherent site, and all the broken links and other foolishness make me rather skeptical myself, despite the high Google rating.

You have a right to your own POV, Sam. I and many others happen to disagree.-PV

And now that your case is pretty much decided, I feel comfortable pointing out why I recused myself from your case, Paul. It was because you personally were making sure it was unwinnable, and I would assume you were doing so consciously. From what I saw on the mailing list, you managed to provoke Jimbo himself, much less the various arbitrators involved. With that sort of a deficit to work with, I really didn't feel able to justify continuing on.

In other words, Sam, you just were not willing to stick your own neck out to uphold the truth, verses the gang of PC liars, hypocrites, and Jewish cabal of censorious bigots at Wikipedia, that would have had your head if you did properly defend any factual NPOV within those articles.-PV

I would like to point out to you Paul that since Cosmotheism see's God in every one of us, that would include Black folks and Jews. Heck, even Commies exist, and are therefore an aspect of God.

True enough, that GOD being the Consciousness of Being, itself. However, this awareness is NOT EQUAL in every one of us, nor by race, ethnicity, nor belief. Intelligence, just like this Cosmic Conscious Awareness, is NOT EQUAL in every one of us.-PV

If, as a white person you feel closer to God, I would hope that we could judge that by your fruits. Rather than being angry and yelling at commies, I find it best to focus on doing what good and charity that we can, assisting those we love. And in the end, when God is All, we should have some basic good will and charity towards everyone. Sam Spade 02:51, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

A White person that is closer to GOD/COSMOS always judges by both my own and by others fruits. The "fruit" of commies has been the vile murder and death of millions both born and unborn. My anger is based upon being fully aware of the "fruits" of ignorant and Blind Faith based secular and traditional religions and beliefs. I do assist all that wish to know the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY to discover them for their own selves. That is my form of "charity" and is my form of "doing good", in upholding only the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY that is deliberately being denied and suppressed by the Usual Suspects, for only selfish and egotistical and materialistic reasons and blind faith based false beliefs. My basic good will is reserved for only all of those that do have good will in return and that actually do have Personal Integrity, or intellectual honesty and actual moral courage, of whatever race, breed, or ethnicity. Those, alone, are my spiritual and moral and intellectual equals and only these few are considered by Cosmotheists to be any true brothers and sisters worthy of both our "good will" and "charity".

Best regards, Paul Vogel aka the NEEDLE http://www.cosmotheism.net bannedneedle@yahoo.com http://www.nationalvanguard.org

Leaving a message and response to your non-defense of me-PV
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[edit]PV If anyone is able or willing to help Paul Vogel (See wikien-1 mailing list), I'd expect he'd appreciate it. - Woodrow XXIIIII, Emperor of the United States, Minister of Ministry 20:08, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I am already acting in his defense, is he requesting a different advocate or what? I no longer use the mailing list, so a link to or cut/paste of his exact request would be appreciated. Sam Spade 20:19, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think Calmypal/Woodrow may not have been aware that you were already involved, Sam. I haven't seen any request for a different advocate, and Paul has mentioned you recently in a way that I would assume he still sees you in that capacity. But you may want to check out the posts on wikien-l anyway, if you haven't already, because the arbitration committee may well consider it as evidence. I trust you know how to find the archives, even if you no longer subscribe. --Michael Snow 20:39, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, I am not asking anyone else to be my advocate, Sam Spade, although, you really should have read my own honest response to "Texture"'s typical slanderous and "false-witnessing", first, and before your own posting of that comment. -Paul Vogel

Kangaroo court for Thoughtcrime or for Paul Vogel's NPOV edits being pov and falsely called "vandalism" or "spam" when it is really for my lacking Political correctness or for my posting Hate speech in the Social Marxist-Jewish pov of the actual "Haters", "Trolls", and their POV political bigots and "Censorship": of this article[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cosmotheism&action=history) on Cosmotheism[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cosmotheism&oldid=3472204) below: and many others:

PS-BTW: Actually, some of those "criticisms" links for Judaism were actually your idea, Sam Spade, remember? The actual and only point of my posting these "criticisms" links to Judaism was only to NPOV have the two very false and slanderously pov links to Cosmotheism that were posted by "David Gerard" deleted, both for NPOV and to demonstrate that no such pov biased and to protest that no such pov double-standards should be allowed to stand within ANY religious Wikipedia articles. :D

That's just it: we want political correctness. That's part of NPOV. NPOV is not puttingin one POV section and balancing it out with another, it's keeping the whole article neutral. The Anti-Semitic site you linked to is insane nonsense about how the Jews secretly control the world, while the Cosmotheism criticisms were about Cosmotheism. That site had no information to contribute about the Jews and Judaism, it was just saying that they're all evil (well, no true information). Hoping you're reading this, George Washington III 01:32, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

That’s a POV of your own, Calmy. I dislike PC about as much as Paul does, to be honest. Your statements about his site are also POV, but I have to say, it’s not a particularly coherent site, and all the broken links and other foolishness make me rather skeptical myself, despite the high Google rating.

You have a right to your own POV, Sam. I and many others happen to disagree.-PV

And now that your case is pretty much decided, I feel comfortable pointing out why I recused myself from your case, Paul. It was because you personally were making sure it was unwinnable, and I would assume you were doing so consciously. From what I saw on the mailing list, you managed to provoke Jimbo himself, much less the various arbitrators involved. With that sort of a deficit to work with, I really didn't feel able to justify continuing on.

In other words, Sam, you just were not willing to stick your own neck out to uphold the truth, verses the gang of PC liars, hypocrites, and Jewish cabal of censorious bigots at Wikipedia, that would have had your head if you did properly defend any factual NPOV within those articles.-PV

I would like to point out to you Paul that since Cosmotheism see's God in every one of us, that would include Black folks and Jews. Heck, even Commies exist, and are therefore an aspect of God.

True enough, that GOD being the Consciousness of Being, itself. However, this awareness is NOT EQUAL in every one of us, nor by race, ethnicity, nor belief. Intelligence, just like this Cosmic Conscious Awareness, is NOT EQUAL in every one of us.-PV

If, as a white person you feel closer to God, I would hope that we could judge that by your fruits. Rather than being angry and yelling at commies, I find it best to focus on doing what good and charity that we can, assisting those we love. And in the end, when God is All, we should have some basic good will and charity towards everyone. Sam Spade 02:51, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

A White person that is closer to GOD/COSMOS always judges by both my own and by others fruits. The "fruit" of commies has been the vile murder and death of millions both born and unborn. My anger is based upon being fully aware of the "fruits" of ignorant and Blind Faith based secular and traditional religions and beliefs. I do assist all that wish to know the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY to discover them for their own selves. That is my form of "charity" and is my form of "doing good", in upholding only the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY that is deliberately being denied and suppressed by the Usual Suspects, for only selfish and egotistical and materialistic reasons and blind faith based false beliefs. My basic good will is reserved for only all of those that do have good will in return and that actually do have Personal Integrity, or intellectual honesty and actual moral courage, of whatever race, breed, or ethnicity. Those, alone, are my spiritual and moral and intellectual equals and only these few are considered by Cosmotheists to be any true brothers and sisters worthy of both our "good will" and "charity".

Best regards, Paul Vogel aka the NEEDLE http://www.cosmotheism.net bannedneedle@yahoo.com http://www.nationalvanguard.org


 * OK, #1. I did defend you, and for some time, I meerly recused myself (w/o revoking my previous defense, BTW) when i realized you were Pissing off Jimbo on the mailinglist!!!


 * Next, #2. The website had all type of broken links, or did when I read it. That makes me think its pretty wack, underfunded or understaffed. I'm ok w links to wanky websites, but don't expect me to have confidence in the info if I can't even link to it!


 * Now, #3, I don;t stick my neck out? WTF, read my edit history.


 * And #4. Of course our awareness of God isn't equal, nothing is equal, equality is a commie lie. See User:Sam Spade/Theoretical Biases. We agree there.


 * Finially, #5, you sound like an exclusionist, only loving your own neighbors. I say everybodies my neighbor, and yeah, i do love people who are handy better than those who arn't, but I try. I do my best to love and do well for anyone and everyone, part of why I'm here editing an encyclopedia btw. Not saying i'm perfect, but I am an inclusionist.


 * In conclusion, pray alot, study alot, get out and party and meet people. Its a big beautiful world, and all of its God, from your stool to the moon, from pamela anderson to a bushman, God is.

tattvam asi,

Sam Spade 17:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)