User talk:Sam Spade/ - archive/August 2005 4

New Article
Sam,I've created a new article Kosas.Please have a look. Thank You.

வைகுண்ட ராஜா


 * Ok, I'm there now :) ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 21:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I have made many edits, have a look and see if I did ok? :) ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 21:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the welcome. As I said on talk affirmative action That other person may not be reasonable but is not incredibly unreasonable. Race Reality 20:33, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I am less sure. Are you banned yet? See USer:Amalekite. Tasks you can do 00:45, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

hinduism
Hi Sam, allow me to introduce myself, i'm Dosey. Subramanian to me you are the one who mainly deals with the writing of the hinduism article. I was reading over the different views of God. And i felt that it was too long and sometimes unreadable. If you have the time, i was wondering, how many views do you think we need? I really felt some where uncessacry and inappropiate for a synoptical article. I'm a Hindu, but i really felt uncomfortable with the terms in the article. I was hoping you could perhaps give me a helping hand, so to speak.

Cheers

Dosey


 * I made an edit, have a look. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 22:59, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Vivekananda
Sam, The fact that Vivekananda only after visiting swamithoppe, wear head gear is a major claim among some of Ayyavazhi, particularly among old people.The old people says that their father had seen Vivekananda in Swamithoppe.In that time, during the late 19th century wearing head gear is a matter of pride and low castes were not alowed to wear that.But in Ayyavazhi Only with that one will be allowed in side the worship centers.It was ment by Vaikundar to propose that all people were kings to rule. I think that this fact is closely related to Vivekananda's way, Advaita. On the other hand on my point of view, in this matter of Vivekananda's head gear the reason preasented by Vedantha society is too hard to digest.In one of their book I read that he first worn it,by a suggestion from the king of Khetri, during a desert journey, and from that he found it more comfort and thereby continued.You might have heared about Vivekananda.Though he was a saint undoubtfully he was a man of extra-ordinary thought. And all my suggestion is such a skilled man dosn't do any thing without reason.

Also the main teaching of Vivekananda is to bring Advaita in practice or Practical Advaita. In Ayyavazhi the practice of wearing headgear, the worship in front of mirror are seeming match to practical Advaita. Then the philosophy of Ayyavazhi is mostly monistic which was similar to Advaita. Then the date which was presented on which Vivekananda visited Kanyakumari (24th December, Tamil month 'Margazhi- 9, saturday.)is the 16th day of the 'seventeen day festival', Thiru Edu Vasippu in Swamthoppe.(Thiru Edu Vasippu is the festival of melodiouse reading of Akilattirattu Ammanai and completing). Then with the headgear he went to Suchindrum Temple. There he was asked to remove the head gear. When he refused he was not allowed to enter the temple. So Vivekananda called Kerala, (This area is thaen the part of Travancore,Kerala) as 'tent of mads'. This is a proof that when Vivekananda leaves Kanyakumari he had gear in his head. Then the opinion of Vivekananda is, it is from a thought all the uiverse originated. In Akilam several times the same thing repeated that by 'destroying the thought' all will become one. Also, I've read many speeches of Vivekananda and found, many concepts of him revolves around the thoughts of Akilam, especially the concept of origin of time and place. All these created a deep thought in my mind that Vivekananda must be influenced with Ayyavazhi.

Besides all these few days before I found that Dr.C.Poulose in his research book 'Advaita Philosophy of Brahmasri Chattampi Swamikal', had notted that Atmananda Swamikal was a deciple of Ayya Vaikundar, and he learned the Marmavidya in Sidha vidya and ghecherividya (Chinmudra) from Ayya Vaikundar. And Atmanada Swamikal taught all these vidyas to his disciple Sri Chattambi Swamikal. When Swami Vivekananda was arriver in Ernakulam, Sri Chattambi Swamikal taught this chinmudra to him. He also noted that Narayana Guru, Sri Nilakanta Tirthapada and Tirthapada Paramahamasa were all the disciples of Atmananda Swamikal. But none of them were mentioned in Akilattirattu.

By here as Raj2004, I think that Vivekananda was indirectly a disciple of Ayya Vaikundar.

What is your opinion? Can we use this as reference in the article Vivekananada and show his influence to Ayyavazhi? Please place your opinion.

Also this was discusssed with Raj2004 earlier. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா


 * Yes, you can certainly cite Dr.C.Poulose in his research book 'Advaita Philosophy of Brahmasri Chattampi Swamikal', and anyone can believe him or not as they wish. You have done a very good service with your attention to rigour, providing some proof even when it was not needed. This is very good of you, and should go in the article. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 23:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I see you left me a welcome message at my talk page (either that or I'm terrible confused by this Talk Page business. Since you can tell I'm new in this place - I've been using Wikipedia for some time and only recently began contributing. I would like to thanks for the links to pages and all that. It makes one feel rather at home.

-Bigsleepj


 * wunderbar! Tasks you can do 00:45, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Hate Speech
Sam, your edits to Opposition to Mormonism regarding hate speech are unusual. Specifically, that the use of the LDS Temple garment displayed by Anti-Mormon protestors at General Conference is a form of hate speech. I may be ignorant of some of the broader definitions of the term, hate speech, but I agreed with a previous editors change to it being sacrilegious. Their manner of display, waving the garment in the air, at times passing it between their legs as if wiping their backside is offensive to the majority of LDS people. I think I must have a more narrow defniition of hate speech; it is used to denigrate or defame a people, but not a specific belief. Although many LDS people hold the cloth of the garment sacred, I believe most of LDS people place a greater value on the covenants made that the garment represents. For another who has no understanding of the covenants, their abuse of the garment is more sacrilege than hate speech. I would appreciate your thoughts. Storm Rider 17:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't believe in hate speech at all, and find it a spurious concept. I only made the edit6 under the assumption that mormons felt that way. If they don't, then it was wisely replaced. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 17:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Ha. Exploding Boy 22:06, August 25, 2005 (UTC)


 * ? ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 22:18, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

pantheist or panentheistic
Hey, Sam are you pantheist or panentheistic? I lean towards panentheism because of my interpretation of certain verses in the Gita.

Raj2004 15:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Placing users in danger
Sam, FYI Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy SlimVirgin (talk) 02:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC)\

Anal sex
Sam, what on earth is your issue with this page? We have discussed these issues before, and your constant reverts are simply restoring information that is unnecessary and contradictory. Why do you persist in editing this topic about which you have very little knowledge and a personal disgust? Leave it alone. Exploding Boy 16:07, August 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * Why do you persist in your attempt to own wiki pages? Move on, if your point has any validity someone else will surely make the needed revert. Tasks you can do 19:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Question oh how to proceed with a page I consider biased
I was reading the page on Michael Manley and the tone is anything but neutral but I particularly objected to the line "Manley was Prime Minister when Jamaica experienced a significant escalation of its infamous political culture of violence. In a bid to achieve political power, his opponent Edward Seaga actively supported and funded many of Jamaica's vicious street gangs. Manley soon found himself drawn into the hostilities as supporters of his People's National Party (PNP) took up guns in retaliation." I wanted to edit it but in all honesty felt that someone who would write that an think it a neutral point of view would simply revert my edits. What would be the best way for me to proceed? Annet 16:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You've done the right thing in coming here. Make the edit, I'll keep an eye on the page. Tasks you can do 19:45, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: your ever-changing signature
Wikipedia user names are intended in part to assist in identifying registered users. This is partially for your own protection, but it's also, in part, so that other users can be aware of the edits a particular user makes. Your last several signatures really make this difficult. In particular, your most recent one makes it appear that you are not Sam Spade at all. I am requesting that you immediately alter your signature to clearly reflect your user name, and use it to sign your posts. Exploding Boy 19:56, August 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * I thought of making a colorful counter-request, but I've decided the proper thing to do is simply to tell you "no", and ask you to go away. Tasks you can do 19:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Typical. Well, you may wish to make your views known at Requests for comment/User name games. Exploding Boy 20:10, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Dear Sam:

I always highly respected you for your objectivity and intellect. Please change back to your old signature, Sam Spade.

I understand if you don't want to change. It's your signature, but perhaps exploding boy may have a point.

What do you think?

Raj2004 01:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I like this signature. I chose it because someone complained about last signature (¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,) You may wonder why I chose these signatures, despite the complaints. I have alot of reasons. The most important is that I provide more options for those who read them. Another is that, at least on talk pages, a certain amount of self expression is allowed. Similar to other users, I make use of that option. My expression in this case is clearly to advise other users to find an encyclopedic task to work on. That is particularly applicable because I see that often volunteers are judged by who they are seen to be, rather than what they do. A simple way to put this is "judge the edit, not the editor". There is little opportunity to commit an Ad hominem when you don't notice who it is that is making the edit.


 * Exploding Boy has been stalking me ever since I opposed his nomination of gay bathhouse for featured article status. We got along perfectly well before that, but ever since he finds reasons to persecute me. This is only the latest in a series of events. For that reason alone, I am not prepared to make any change regarding my signature, at this juncture. Tasks you can do 01:28, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Sam, thanks for the detailed explanation. I appreciate your explanation even though you had no reason to explain. Those reasons are very good reasons to continue what you are doing! I did not know the dispute with exploding boy.

Thanks,

Raj2004 01:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

By the way, do any of my significantly edited articles qualify for featured article status (i.e., Madhva, Karma in Hinduism and avatar?

I do not know if they are good enough.

Raj2004 01:48, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Sam the problem with the template sig is that it doesn't identify you. A signature should identify the person who is signing, otherwise it's not a sig! Why not include the template as part of you sig but also have something that links to you user page so we know who you are? Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 01:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

With regard to this: ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ Bravo for creativity. Bravo for individualality. Bravo for standinding up to group think. Bravo!!!!!!! Contributions should be judged on their own merits and not on WHO is making them. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION It's a shame you brits don't have a constitution. With regard to this: Tasks you can do A signiture that doesn't identify isn't a signature. WAS 4.250 02:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Sam's claim that I have been "stalking" him because he opposed the FA nom for gay bathhouse is false, and amounts to the type of personal attack he frequently accuses others of making. I do not "stalk" anyone; I have better things to do. We did not get along perfectly well before that; Sam has always been a controversial editor. My problem with Sam's latest signature is that it neither identifies him nor links to his user/talk/email as all other user sigs do. This is clearly not acceptable. I'm not against having a little fun with sigs--I always enjoy Theresa's, for example. I am against this sig, because it's very misleading, makes it difficult to know who is posting, and makes it hard to contact the user. I also have a problem with Sam constantly changing his sig for the same reasons. If you want to give people more information, as you claim, you can easily do that on your user or talk pages. Exploding Boy 03:26, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
I'm letting you know that I've just nominated myself for bureaucratship for the second time. If you didn't care to know about this, I apologize for the inconvenience.  Andre  ( talk ) 02:41, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Please sign your posts
It is a proper wikiquette to sign your posts on the talk pages. This is an essential aspect of communication here. It helps other users to understand the progress and evolution of a dialog. It is also a requirement for your votes to be counted in polls. Thank you. -- Naive cynic 18:17, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * And it's arguable that it's a violation of wikiquette and the spirit of wikipedia to sign your posts with a confusing or misleading signature. Several users have weighed in on the matter at Requests for comment/User name games. I'm once again requesting that you change your signature back to your user name. Exploding Boy 21:07, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Article Vivekananda
Sam, Please take a look, Swami Vivekananda. Is it enough or need more? - வைகுண்ட ராஜா


 * Very nice! I think it is good, but time will show what ot hers think, of course. Cheers, Tasks you can do 21:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Featured articles
Sam, thanks for the praise. Yes, I think the title, Karma in Hinduism is fine but reasonable people can differ. Karma(Hinduism) is also a good title.

Raj2004 20:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * My self I think the best is something a reader can easilly find. Tasks you can do 01:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

nazipedia?
Hi, Sam. Just curious, what is a "nazipedia", and what vandalisms did Wikipedians do to it? Func( t, c, @,) 00:37, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

pseudodoxia is the name, here is a discussion of it on Vanguard News Network Forum, here a couple of links to threads where wikipedians discuss their vandalism of it, and here is a link to it (altho its now down)



Tasks you can do 00:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the info, Sam. I keep wondering if it would be worth it to join the wikien-l mailing list, or if it would just waste my time like my other mailing lists. ;-) Func( t, c, @,) 02:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

It really depends on how important the wikipedia is to you, and in what way. If you are mainly interested in editing articles, and don't feel a need to discuss or be intimately aware of major policy decisions, there’s no reason to join. If, however, you'd like to hear Jimbo's opinions directly, and say things he might read or even comment on, joining might be a good idea. I did it because I have had so many unpleasant experiences w wikipedia admins, and decided it might be wise to jump ranks a few steps and discuss w the "cabal" directly. So far, I've found them to be more thoughtful and reasonable than the average loose cannon admin, but sadly possessed of the same general ideas at bottom, such as: IAR's is a good policy, admins are almost always right, and NPOV and other foundation issues have exceptions (like in the case of banning nazi's). While I may not always like what I hear, I occasionally enjoy knowing whats going on, and placing my opinion before the old timers whose opinions really matter here. Cheers, Tasks you can do 15:32, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Human Rights Servey on Wikipedia (The final post of I_sterbinski)

 * Dear all,


 * Wikipedia was recently a subject of intensive research of an huge international human right organization. A team of people from different nationalities and ages were acting on Wikipedia for 20 days, investigating previously noted anomalities of Wikipedia free editing and forming a final report, which (between the others similar reports) will later be a guide to all future moves of the organization concerning Wikipedia. Acting under an account of a real person, their privacy is to be held private. Therefore, very few private information will be revealed.
 * Also, this is a result of the lack of final possition of the organization concerning Wikipedia and human rights, which was still not formed.


 * The team's final post on Wikipedia, where they explain their actions can be found on the following addresses:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_sterbinski
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonia#Human_Rights_Servey_on_Wikipedia_.28The_final_post_of_I_sterbinski.29


 * The team would like to thank to all the persons who took part in the correspondence with us.
 * We also want to appologise for keeping our identity secret for a longer period.


 * Best regards,
 * Aleksandar, Biljana, Asparuh, Christos, Valjon, Michael and Ana Luiza
 * I sterbinski 01:41, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm am currently write a speech on racism and and ended up on this sight i think it's great that there are sights like this acessable for people like me that just need some help!

A HUGE THANKS HOLLY HEART!

Vishnu sahasranama, a featured article
Sam, do you think the Vishnu sahasranama could be a featured article?

Names of God in Judaism currently is a featured article.

Raj2004 14:04, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think Vishnu sahasranama is very close, I suggest submitting it for Peer review. I think some sections might be a bit bigger, and there could be more images, but it is extremely close, I agree. Peer review not only helps get ideas, but often encourages people to come and help w edits and etc... Cheers, Tasks you can do 15:39, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Sam

Raj2004 19:08, 28 August 2005 (UTC)