User talk:Sambure/archive1

AfD nomination of Diplomatic missions of Romania
Diplomatic missions of Romania, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Diplomatic missions of Romania satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Diplomatic missions of Romania and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Diplomatic missions of Romania during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

November 2007
Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue removing Articles for deletion notices or comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I tried 3 times to write something. use templatetempalte:underconstruction to get a few days to build a decent articleNergaal (talk) 14:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage
Please don't leave poorly-spelt, nonsense messages on my talkpage.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I asked you why you want to delete it? --Sambure (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've explained in the AfD request, which you are not allowed to remove. I'm not discussing it further with you since you are rude, you can't spell, you can't read and are disruptive.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Knowledge Of Self |  talk  14:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Diplomatic missions of Europe

Forum shopping
Glad to see that you've been forum-shopping!--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. ''Please observe WP:CIVIL. Most of your statements do not appear to follow the guidelines listed there.'' Nn123645 (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes they do. Can you provide an example of one that doesn't? Samby's here, on the other hand, are mostly against CIV.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you continue your pointless disruption and your intentional starting of arguments, you will be blocked. There is no need for you to squabble with me about my editing habits on that page, because that is not what it is for.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:MULTI
It would be nice if you could keep the discussion at WP:AN/I into one thread - since both threads are essentially regarding the same debate. x42bn6 Talk Mess 15:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't insist on the full box. It's disruptive.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion discussions - how it works
I thought it might help if someone (ie me!) tried to explain what the "AfD" ("Article for Deletion") tag actually means. The full explanation is here but I'll try to put it in a nutshell.

Porcupine did not "try to delete your article". The AfD tag puts the article on a list of articles (here, in the case of your article) where Wikipedians (many Wikipedians) will debate whether the article should be deleted or not. This discussion carries on for several days, during which the article's author (or anyone else, as for any Wikipedia article) is free to edit, expand and improve the article. No-one should remove the AfD tag but the AfD tag in no way means automatic deletion. In the case of your article it seems that the consensus is towards keeping it. The idea is that deletion is discussed; you are as free as anyone to add your comments to the AfD discussion, but do please try to remember to remain civil on Wikipedia (the same applies to Porcupine and indeed everybody else!). You've been given some good advice over on the Incidents Noticeboard - log out for a while and go and do something else (don't worry, your article shouldn't be deleted in the meantime). Cool down a bit, have a coffee, stroke the cat... Come back after a while having realised that this is, in the end, just Wikipedia and it really isn't worth getting so upset. Oh, and please don't go around demanding that people be blocked. It won't happen. Regards, Tonywalton | Talk 15:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh thank you Tony, but why did he listed me and called me a vandal? All I wanted is to write an article, is this so bad???--Sambure (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion process
Regarding deletion: As long as it is in good faith, any user can nominate an article for deletion. It does not really matter if the article ends up in a snowball keep - he is allowed to voice his concerns. I understand you are upset, but this is nothing to get all angry about. Which is why I hope you could take a deep breath and calm down a bit. x42bn6 Talk Mess 15:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I wanted to write an article but I failed, he posted me as a vandal, reporting me on Adminstrators, vandalism and all the other 3 noticeboards. But he lost since all the people voted for me. Thank you.--Sambure (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A small point - AfD is not a vote. The Keep and Delete and so on are not counted up at the end of the AfD period. The idea is that an admin, when they close the AfD, will read the discussion and come to a decision to delete or not according to the consensus reached in it. Tonywalton | Talk 15:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Ony just a suggestion for you
Sambure, you have been contributing to Wikipedia in a good way, but please don't get it wasted by the conduct of another editor. Having an edit war with another editor does not give you anything but being blocked by an admin. I suggest you back off a little bit. In WP:AN/I, there are admins who handle this matter and they will consider somebody being blocked or not without you asking it directly there. I think you just need to edit again and forget about your matter with another editor. Don't worry, the article won't get deleted without community connesus and only admin can delete an article based on that. (S)he is not an admin. You might want to see his/her blocking log that might interest you. ;-) Dekisugi (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, look at my blocklog and see how fearless I am!! :-) Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Porcupine
 * I forget him, Oh God he was blocked many times..But I hope my article will not be deleted.Sambure (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry. Look who's talking above. :-) Dekisugi (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I little bit Dekisugi I was shoked, I mean, am I such a bad person to be called and labeled as a vandal? Is my article such a bad article? I was in dilemma.Sambure (talk) 15:33, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, no. You're not a vandal. You just don't understand rules here and it's common. And it's common mistakes that people send wrong warning messages. I did some mistakes too and I apologized for accusing vandals. Don't worry, Sambure. Just keep up the good work on improving articles. Dekisugi (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * (ec)It's OK, it's been decided that it won't be deleted. I have been blocked many times, haven't I. I'm rather proud of not having left WP, actually!--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And look, I get a lesson of morality from a person with so many blocks?! Is that fair? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sambure (talk • contribs) 15:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's no lesson in morality, it's a lesson in how to be vaguely pleasant.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Userpage protection
Luna Santin has protected your userpage for a while, due to the vandalism occurring on there. The protection expires later this evening; if you find you want to edit your userpage and cannot, your best bet is either to wait for a while or talk to one of the admins involved in the AN/I discussion earlier (myself included, though I'm going offline soon). Tonywalton | Talk 16:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will wait, because now I don't know how to write my page. Some pages are so complex, I like them but I don't know how I will make it for now. I think this is a long process. I appreciate all your help Tony.--Sambure (talk) 16:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I warned the vandal who vandalised ur page... he's been blocked. He shouldn't be bothering you for some time. Sniperz11talk 16:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: My Name
I was wondering why the picture of the seed on your userpage, in fact.

Just while I'm here, I hope the experience with Porcupine hasn't put you off, however this has been noted. I don't speak Romanian but I think I may speak enough Italian to work out what at least the first couple of words mean... Please Stay cool in future and don't risk getting yourself blocked like Porcupine. Any questions about how stuff happens round here, please feel free to give me a shout.

Cheers, Tonywalton | Talk 16:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 *  Italian and Romanian are the latin most closest languages. I sort of guessed that from Romanian ;-) You may find the article on Romanian language interesting. Tonywalton  | Talk 17:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)'

use of speedy
Speedy deletion is only for the reasons listed under WP:CSD. The reaso0ss given for "Water torture" did not correspond o any of them, so I declined the speedy. I t seems your originally idea was to use AfD, and that would seem the correct way. However, I think the article could probably be easily defended, as there were sources so I'd suggest you try expanding and improving the article instead. I suggest you take at look at WP:SIMPLE, as a starting point in learning policy. DGG (talk) 19:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Warning
Please consider this a final warning. You have not been treated like you should have been, but you have been uncivil and plainly rude as well. Now you nominated Music torture, an article created by Porcupine, for deletion. Please don't try to take revenge. Disengage, forget this episode, and try to be a civil, patient editor, even when others act differently. Continuing to go after Porcupine in any way will get you blocked as well. Fram (talk) 20:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Do heed this. Reading the material provided above by The Brown Bottle is a very good idea. As I say, I don't speak Romanian, so I don't know how the English proverb "two wrongs don't make a right" would translate, but I guess you get the sense. The Porcupine episode is over. Porcupine has (rightly, in my view at least) been blocked. Now show your strengths as an editor. People keep mentioning WP:CIVIL; please read it, and consider that calling people a liar, as in this edit does not in any way meet any criterion for civility. This lot only works because people keep their tempers in check - blocking someone is not so much a punishment as a way of protecting the encyclopædia that we are trying to create. Tonywalton | Talk 22:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)