User talk:Samcoghlan

Category:Amritsar Massacre
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Jallianwala Bagh massacre
Hello Samcoghlan. I read with interest your recent edits to Jallianwala Bagh massacre and I am wondering what your book, The Last Lion : Winston S. Churchill (1874-1932) Visions of Glory, says about the attack on Marcella Sherwood; as harassment seems an odd word to use. Regards --Ykraps (talk) 23:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ykraps, thanks for the message. The book "The Last Lion : Visions of Glory" does not mention the name Miss Marcella Sherwood. It simply mentions that a British missionary woman was "molested" on a street in Amritsar, and that, as a result of this, General Dyer issued an order that all Indians crawl the length of the street on their hands and knees. Indians protested, then General Dyer opened fire. I found the reference to Miss Marcella Sherwood the book I cited in the first paragraph of the section, "Prelude to the massacre". The book is called "Muscular Nationalism: Gender, Violence, and Empire" by Sikata Banerjee. I also added parts of Winston Churchill's speech in the House of Commons (8th July 1920), because it was the young Churchill who convinced the house to forcibly retire General Dyer. Does that answer your question?--Samcoghlan (talk) 07:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, but the story as I understand it is that she was knocked of her bicycle and nearly beaten to death by an angry stick weilding mob. Niall Ferguson describes a similar version of events in his book, Empire: How Britain Built the Modern World. If this is the case, words such as harassed and molested seem to be understating the facts, don't you think? there is a site here [] I have just found but it may not qualify as a reliable source. I was aware of Churchill's and Asquith's reaction as I was the editor who inserted those comments in the 'British response' section of the article which desperately needed balancing. Yours--Ykraps (talk) 08:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I'd been looking for more information on the Amritsar massacre, and shall certainly look into the book you suggest as well as other sources. I'm busy in the next few days, but I would like at some point to expand the article - as you say, it needs balancing. Many thanks for the extra info. Yours, --Samcoghlan (talk) 08:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You have picked a difficult and contentious article so you will need to ensure things are properly referenced. You can make use of the talk page if you are reverted but it is always best to be polite and assume good faith. You might want to check out wp:indentation in case you have to do a lot of conversing! Best--Ykraps (talk) 08:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It is good to know you also want to see the article written accurately. Why don't you insert the reference of Miss Marcella Sherwood being knocked off her bicycle? I mean, the reference from Niall Fergurson's book that you mention above? Which page is it on? Best wishes,--Samcoghlan (talk) 08:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ferguson describes the event on page 326 of his book but I see you have already found another book to reference it. I have also found this article [] in the Indian newspaper, The Tribune. I have given this reference a name so if you want to re-use it, you need only enter . --Ykraps (talk) 10:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

 * replied to your latest comment.--sarvajna (talk) 12:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have replied to your comment however I feel that we should continue the discussion on the talk page of the article so that more editors can give their input. Thanks. Have a good day --sarvajna (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2013 (UTC)