User talk:Samuraionetwothree

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MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:31, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Chris Beale Chester


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Rankersbo (talk) 09:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chris Beale


The article Chris Beale has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Seemingly different content to that deleted in September at Articles for deletion/Chris Beale, but still fails WP:NMUSIC with the leaderlive.co.uk article being "publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves".

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Nomination of Chris Beale for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Chris Beale is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Chris Beale& until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Chris Beale
Chris Beale is a Chester-UK based music producer. supported by BBC Introducing.

Chris also owns the infamous Mashup Events. And has headlined a number of Europian festivals, such as Wakestock and No Stress Festival.


 * No, linking to that isn't why your IP was blocked. Your IP was blocked because it was a webhost server; editing from such servers is generally not allowed. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 22:48, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


 * So if you're not seeing a block message now, does that mean you are not blocked and can edit? Also "host server" blocks are nothing to do with any content you added - they're related to the IP address you're using to edit from. So please don't try to guess at why you might be blocked - if you are still blocked, just tell us the message you get when you try to edit. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Chris beale
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 * I moved Chris beale to Chris Beale to correct the capitalization, and then I saw it was pretty much identical to a previous version that you created on December 8 and which was deleted on December 18 as a result of this discussion - and so I have deleted it in accordance with Speedy Deletion WP:G4. Please do not recreate the article again unless you can provide multiple independent reliable sources (see WP:RS) that provide evidence that this person satisfies Wikipedia's WP:NMUSIC notability requirements. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, it's my bedtime now, but I'll reply tomorrow. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Good morning. The problem is not just the number of sources you are providing, it is the nature of them and whether or not they convey sufficient notability. The key is the deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Chris Beale (2nd nomination), which essentially concluded that this is a local musician of local interest only, and as such does not meet the requirements of WP:NMUSIC. The "BBC Introducing" coverage seems the best so far, but the earlier deletion nomination at Articles for deletion/Chris Beale in September pointed out that "the BBC Introducing program is specifically intended to introduce unknown talent. But a single airplay on that program does not confer the required notability". Recreating the same article with only local sources is not going to change all that. What you'd need to do is find non-local sources that demonstrate notability beyond just the local area and beyond his "BBC Introducing" coverage - has he been covered in any depth by any national publications, any leading music publications, etc? If you can't do that and can only recreate the same article using only those local sources, then the deletion consensus will still be binding and the article would be deleted again according to WP:G4. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Is This Source Enough?
Hi again,

Can you confirm if this supplied source is ok?

Resident Advisor is noted on Wikipedia, as an international artist directory. So i presume this information would be a sufficient resource of information for the Chris Beale information page on Wiki?

Source:

Speedy deletion nomination of Chris Beale


A tag has been placed on Chris Beale, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
 * It appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. (See section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) If an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.
 * It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Valenciano (talk) 12:54, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Someone please help!
Ok so now the source has been accepted (at last)

But you still want it deleted because its a repeat post? And promoting rather than encyclopedic?

So should i ask the source to re-word the article?

What do i need to do to make it encyclopedic, and not promotional please? I do not understand....

Thanks


 * Personally I'd advise you to find a different topic to write about, one that clearly meets Wikipedia's standards of notability as laid out at WP:N and, in greater detail, WP:MUSIC. I cannot tell where that source might have been "accepted", but I see no indication that it should be considered reliable. If it would reword its coverage of Beale at your urging, that's pretty much a red flag. Beale simply does not qualify for an enycylopedia article at this time. Huon (talk) 10:55, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Chris has broken a Guinness World record. This is an iconic achievement alone. Let alone the fact he has industry recognition from the BBC. This is direct proof from reliable sources that he is worthy of an encyclopedic article. I have been following your instruction for close to 12 months now. And have done EVERYTHING to meet your criteria. And now you say it can not be done?


 * There were two separate recent deletion discussions on articles on Beale, and both concluded that Beale currently is not notable enough to be the subject of a Wikipedia article. So yes, I think that's a pretty strong indication that we cannot have an article on Beale. Huon (talk) 10:31, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Wrong. I was told the sources were not good enough. That is why i have spent so much time following your absurdly difficult hurdles. You are the only website that BBC can accept. And i have seen several artists that have articles on here, that do not contain anything encyclopedic worthy. So this proves to be more a case of you being selective about it now. The article must be made, so i can link it with Musicbrainz, to complete a BBC website. That has been on hold for 12 months now. So please advise what to do.
 * "Wrong"? How so? Are you saying there were not two deletion discussions which found Chris Beale not notable enough for an article, despite the links I gave above? Since Wikipedia measures notability by the amount of coverage in reliable third-party sources that a subject has received, "there are not enough sources" and "he is not notable enough to be the subject of an article" are equivalent statements.
 * There may well be other problematic articles that should be improved or deleted; that is no reason to allow one more article on an ineligible subject. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
 * I have no idea how the BBC is relevant here, but Wikipedia articles are not created merely to serve as input for something else. I get the impression that improving the encyclopedia is not your purpose here. Huon (talk) 20:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Are you saying that there have not been indications that it was not allowed due to the source not being reliable enough? And my clear indication i would follow anything i was asked to do? I just want help to know what else needs doing for this to be done. There are plenty of artists on here, so there simply must be a way.

My soul purpose is to make sure people can find out about Chris. Which is precisely what Wiki is designed for. I want to use Wiki for its intention.

The BBC is relevant, because they also use Wiki, exclusively. And as an official artist, Chris has a page on their website, and the text information can STRICTLY only come from Wiki.

Britain's biggest broadcasting company also uses Wiki, for good reason to Wiki too.

I just want to know what more do you need. If its not worthy of an encyclopedic article, when he holds a world record, and major industry recognition for his contribution to the industry?


 * If the BBC really takes information from Wikipedia, I'm losing quite a bit of respect for the BBC. Anyway, as I said above, "not enough coverage in reliable sources" translates to "not notable enough to be the subject of an encyclopedia article". Those are not unrelated concerns, the latter is a consequence of the former. If Chris Beale has "major industry recognition", there should be plenty media coverage. I'm not seeing that. Huon (talk) 06:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is extremely frustrating that they only use Wiki. It may be Musicbrainz that made this decision. But ultimately, it is becoming absurdly difficult.

Plenty of media coverage includes articles from Guinness World Records, BBC, ALL news papers in this region, Resdent Advisor (Industry Directory). Why is this not enough please?

Chris Beale
Chris Beale is an electronic artist from Chester-UK. Supported by BBC Introducing. Owner of Mashup Events, and resident at Rosies Nightclub. With one album, several single releases, and a Guinness World Record.

Chris's debut record was "Steklo", released in 2013 on 12". Soon after, he signed the track to Move Records on Itunes. Followed by breakthrough track "Mashup Chester", produced with C Gritz (prev. Boy Better Know). Which gained widespread support from both clubs and radio, and helped to further popularize his name.

Late 2013, Chris has broke a Guinness World Record, with the number 1 place for the DJ relay. Achieved in the main room at London super club, Ministry Of Sound.

Chris gained national recognition in 2014, when BBC Introducing supported his track, "Thinking Out Loud" (Featuring vocals from UK artist Fran Young).

Late 2014 saw his debut album "For The Love", signed to Move Records. Released on Itunes. A compilation of Chris's best Ambient / Techno compositions.

The success with the BBC was followed by the solo's track '"Going My Own Way", released on Immoral Records. The Vocal Bass House track reached and stayed at the top 15 on Juno's Chart for three months, over summer 2015.

2016 and Chris has 50+ dates, confirmed for a Europe Tour of 4 countries. Including a weekly residency for Rosies Nightclub, and a monthly residency for the Ministry of Sound club night at the venue.

March 2016
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Thank you. 220  of  Borg 16:48, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I have created the page Chris Beale, but the title does not have a capital 'B'... by mistake it says 'b'.

Can you please amend the title, as i do not know how.

Or advise how please.

Thanks

Speedy deletion nomination of Chris Beale


A tag has been placed on Chris Beale, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. McGeddon (talk) 12:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016
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 * I have posted an article about a person with a world record, and international recognition. And supplied many reliable sources.... which i have seen dozens of other pages with EXACTLY the same sources and notability. So why is this a problem? You are making different rules..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuraionetwothree (talk • contribs) 17:05, 16 March 2016‎


 * The many sections above, the two deletion discussions and the conversation you had above with User:Huon all explain why this is a problem. --McGeddon (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

"The "BBC Introducing" coverage seems the best so far, but the earlier deletion nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Beale in September pointed out that "the BBC Introducing program is specifically intended to introduce unknown talent. But a single airplay on that program does not confer the required notability"...... so i have basically been told to get better sources..... and i now have supplied many. And i have specifically used sources that have already been accepted on other Wiki pages. If you have accepted other peoples, then you can not change the rules for others.


 * The requirement for sources is that they meet WP:RS, not that similar sources exist on other articles. (Perhaps those other articles contain other, stronger sources as well - perhaps those articles should be deleted and haven't been yet.) --McGeddon (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)