User talk:Samwalton9/Archive 5

April - May 2014

Re: Proteus
Alright, good. I'll support it when it comes around per the last one, assuming no new issues arise. Tezero (talk) 17:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Proteus (video game)/archive1
My apologies for not following through on my review- I'm pretty snowed in at the moment. I'd advise trying to find some people to look through the article (PresN, maybe) to try to drum up some support before your next FAC run. PR may also be a possibility. J Milburn (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Forest (video game)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup error
Hi there- this is just a quick note to apologise for a small but important mistake in the last WikiCup newsletter; it is not 64 users who will progress to the next round, but 32. J Milburn (talk) 18:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse
Hi Sam, just to note, you left a reply in the wrong heading. Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 19:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that; it's a bug with the "Join this discussion" button whereby it replies to the question number rather than actual section. Someone else asked a question between me starting my reponse and finishing it, so it added to the wrong section and I didn't notice :) Sam Walton (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, is that when the gadget does that? I added it, used it once, and it replied to the wrong Q, so I left it alone. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  19:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014
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Unreliable source?
Hi ! Can you help me sort this out? I don't know whether or not it's okay to use the second reference as a source. At first, I agreed with Mark Miller and took the source down, but now I'm unsure.Bananasoldier (talk) 16:31, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

The sentence being used in an article
''The same year, co-founder Jon Beyer left TerraCycle to work at another company. ''

I was told by another editor that the second reference is a no-go for this sentence because of WP:BLP primary source and self-published source. However, the Teahouse folks tell me it's okay to use it because the podcast is by Albe Zakes, Global VP, Media Relations at TerraCycle, Inc. I'm confused. Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 16:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello! I stumbled upon some facts for an article that I haven't found anywhere else except for this source: http://terracycle.podbean.com/2012/06/25/talking-trash-with-terracycle-episode-8-the-interns-episode/. The problem is that it's a podcast. Am I allowed to count it as a source? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 23:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! You should only add material to Wikipedia that is reliably sourced and follows these guidelines. As for the specific source that you mention, it does not prima facie appear to meet the criteria as it is a blog site and therefore disallowed. However, it depends what you want to add. If, for example, it is a quote from an interview with a notable individual then that would be OK. If on the other hand it is a wild theory that is not backed up by any other reputable source, then it would not. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄  ♦talk 05:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, about the only time a personal blog is acceptable to use for sourcing content is when it is about the person themselves. If the blog is sourcing information about the person (who is notable enough for an article or being mentioned in one) who owns the blog than that is acceptable. If the blog is from a notable expert, it may be used to source content that they are experts on but that also depends on the information and what expertise they have and what kind of blog is in question as there are some other factors to consider.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi everyone, and thanks for answering my question! The podcast was done by the company themselves, so I hope it's alright to use for the small facts it mentions, such as the fact that one of the company's co-founders left in 2007. However, I'm not sure how to cite the podcast. Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 06:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Some quick research confirms that the company appears notable so cite the podcast using the citation template, fill in the url, title and date etc. and you should be good to go. Don't forget to wrap it in tags. ► Philg88 ◄ ♦talk 06:25, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, and ! Bananasoldier (talk) 06:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It's also OK to use a blog if the author is a notable expert in the field that they're writing about. --Jakob (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't wish to contradict the other editor at the Teahouse, so I felt it best to simply contact you on your talk page.

I don't know that the podcast is a reliable source for information on anything but the podcast itself or the blog itself as it is indeed a personal blog and not the official site of the company itself. The site is a free site that anyone can create a podcast and publish and the interviewer is Albe Zakes, Global VP, Media Relations at TerraCycle, Inc. It is not secondary in nature but more like a primary source, but self published content. this is them interviewing themselves. You may get a more than a little pushback using that source depending on what you are referencing. If you have any questions please feel free to ask on my talk page. Happy editing!--Mark Miller (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi! Thanks for taking the time to write to me at the Teahouse as well as here. I understand that the podcast is a primary source, and thus the only fact I used from it was that Jon Beyer left in 2007. I never like using flaky sources, but I couldn't find any publication or anywhere else for that matter that mentioned this. Best, Bananasoldier (talk) 07:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately we cannot source facts about others from these types of sources. Per our BLP policy, WP:BLPPRIMARY: "Never use self-published sources – including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets – as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject...". This violates a rather important policy.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see your point now, because the fact relates to Jon Beyer and not simply the company. Would it be okay to use this: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jon-beyer/4/962/843? It shows that he did leave in 2007, and although it's a primary source, he published it himself. Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 07:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. According to this it can be used for sourcing information on the subject that self published the content. While the link I am leaving is only an essay it should at least demonstrate that other editors share this opinion.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your time. I learned some new things today (@ 1:00 AM :P) Bananasoldier (talk) 08:15, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Bananasoldier, I actually saw and read both these threads when they were posted replied to so I have some thoughts on this. From what I understand, the podcast is by someone else who worked for the company Beyer left? If this is the case I would say it was an unreliable source, rather than a primary one. Primary would imply it was created by Beyer himself. This may not actually be the case though, feel free to clarify. Sam Walton (talk) 16:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So, yeah, it was not created by Beyer himself, but the podcast is officially from the company with a PR employee as the host. Is it still deemed unreliable in that case? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't listened to it, is it Beyer saying that? If not, I'd probably deem that somewhere in a middle ground of best not to use it and just stick with linkedin. Sam Walton (talk) 16:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, Beyer is not saying that. I'll take the podcast out, then. Thanks! :D Bananasoldier (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

The secret to bulk editing
Hey Samwalton9. From the data size of each of your edits, I notice that you are able to write a bunch of information very quickly. What's your secret? Do you research information in a particular order, or how do you go about doing it? Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 02:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No idea :D Fast typing? I do have an idea of what I want to write before I start making the edit, but then I'm often doing it as I go along, so I don't know to be honest, maybe I've just made too many articles! Sam Walton (talk) 10:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That said, I do have a second monitor. Having the source on one screen and writing on the other definitely helps! Sam Walton (talk) 10:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 18:25, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Can you mark this for deletion for me?
Hiya, Samwalton9! I don't know how to mark this file for deletion: File:Skittles-laptop-sleeve.jpg

The file page says it has a Creative Commons license on it, but the source url no longer exists and it doesn't exist in the Internet archives, either. Could you please mark this for deletion? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 00:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Can you give me a few pointers for TerraCycle? I've been eating, sleeping, and breathing TerraCycle research for the past few days, so I've probably been making mistakes all over the place (plus I'm a newb at company articles). Also, do you think the article has met DYK eligibility yet? Phew, expanding five fold is a lot of work, but I think I might be close. I only have one more day or so to meet the deadline, though.
 * Hi hi, firstly if you want to link to an image or category without adding it to the current page, add a colon to the start of the wikilink as I did above; that links to the page rather than the usual action! As for the deletion of the image, that's a tricky one as it's possible that the source URL had a creative commons license note on it. As it's actually uploaded to Commons:File:Skittles-laptop-sleeve.jpg, it would probably be best to go there and nominate it for deletion (like an AfD here) by clicking on Nominate for Deletion under Tools on the left hand side, just in case someone can dig up the correct license. The article looks pretty good! To check for DYK eligibility I use a handy tool. It currently says that you haven't yet 5x expanded but from a quick manual check you're only ~35 words away from the 5x amount! That said, the tool says 5x within 10 days for some reason when the rule is 5 days; you'll have to find those words and list it before tonight if you want it at DYK! Sam Walton (talk) 07:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yo 'sup, Walton? Rise and shine, buddy. Heh. I made it! Except it's 1:30 AM here. Heh. Okay, nighty night. Thanks for everything. Let me know if there are some weird issues that I probably am not seeing (peer edit, please!) :D Bananasoldier (talk) 08:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * ^ Please excuse my terrible writing up there. I'm a bit sleepy. Which do you think might be cool for a DYK hook?

-TerraCycle recycles cigarettes into park benches.

-TerraCycle began by selling vermicompost as "worm poop."

-TerraCycle recycles typically non-recyclable waste.

Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 08:42, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * First one is a good one but isn't quite backed up in the article. The article says benches, not park benches specifically. If I was going to nitpick that's my only concern :) Sam Walton (talk) 09:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Got it, got it. Yeah, there's like three references for that one fact, so I'll need to clean it up. How strict are they on DYK about having the article reliable? Bananasoldier (talk) 14:14, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The article generally? Not hugely, though it is a requirement that the article is generally verifiable. I usually skim read the article and make sure there's nothing terribly contentious in there, but if the odd trivial sentence is unsourced then it doesn't bother me. I usually only check the reference for the hook's source in detail. Sam Walton (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Understood. Bananasoldier (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Here's the raw sentence: ''The cigarette butt filters, generally made from cellulose acetate, are refined into pellets that are then used in the production of plastic items such as shipping pallets, benches and ashtrays. ''

'''Your DYK hook doesn't have to be the sentence word for word, does it? Can I say something like:''' Did you know... ''that waste management company TerraCycle recycles cigarette butt filters into pellets that are then used in the production of plastic items such as shipping pallets, benches and ashtrays? '' Bananasoldier (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

By the way, what happens if nobody reviews it by tonight? Is it no longer eligible because it would have past 5 days? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 14:50, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The hook doesn't have to be word for word in the article, it just has to be verifiable within it. Your hook would thus be fine, but I consider it a bit lengthy. Something like your first one would be good, with just the most odd example used (benches). When you put it up there will be discussion about alternatives though, it's not a one chance one hook thing. Doesn't matter if no one reviews it for a month, you still submitted it when the 5x expand criteria applied :) If you look at the nominations page there are hooks being discussed from ages ago. Sam Walton (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yay! Thanks. Bananasoldier (talk) 15:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Hiya!
Hiya! I'm IBCPirates, and I'm new on wikipedia, I was invited to the teahouse and I saw you there, and it looks like ur a pretty experienced editor, so could I have some tips or pointers? --IBCPirates (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)IBCPirates

Unnoticed
Hello Samwalton9! On the DYK nominations page, I accidentally put my nomination in April 11, but it actually belongs in April 6 because April 6 is the day I started working. The problem was that everything else on April 6 had already been reviewed and stored away on "Older nominations", so I simply put my nomination under April 6th and then moved it back down to "Current nominations." Someone didn't notice the new submission was there, so they put April 6 back to "Older nominations". I undid his/her edit because I think he/she was mistaken.

However, how should I leave a sort of message that my submission is still pending so that nobody else moves April 6 back to "Older nominations" until I have been reviewed? Thanks, :) Bananasoldier (talk) 23:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Never mind! I have it all cleared up now. Bananasoldier (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Before the date itself?
Hey! For my TerraCycle nomination, I requested to have it shown on April 22 (Earth Day). What happens if my nomination isn't reviewed by then? Tough luck? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 23:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Not a clue, to be honest. Best to post on the DYK talk page and ask there :) Sam Walton (talk) 11:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK Queue?
Hi! I was wondering how the DYK queue works so I can figure out what time my DYK nomination will go live on the front page. I requested to have it shown on April 22 (Earth Day). Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 04:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, your nomination will eventually be promoted to the preparation area before being moved up to one of the queues. When that happens you'll be able to see when it's going to be on the front page by looking at the table of queues/dates :) Sam Walton (talk) 09:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I figured it out. Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 16:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

UE Boom
Hello, you have removed a section. Actually I was thinking to do something with it as well, though I would prefer to merge it with Critique (changing it in the process). Do you think it would be possible?

And, do you think the {Advert} tag could be removed? Mendaliv has placed it before his own edit and haven't removed it since. Dmatteng (talk) 19:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know to be honest, the section was just far too promotional as it was. I think it still reads somewhat like an advert but am not too interested in editing to the page further. Sam Walton (talk) 20:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * So you wouldn't object if I'll reinstate back the section? Dmatteng (talk) 07:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well no, it was blatant WP:SYNTHESIS of information to promote the product. Sam Walton (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So you are clearly still an interested editor. Could you please to assist me to rewrite the section? Dmatteng (talk) 10:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm just not that interested in the subject; just didn't want to leave promotional material in the article - I had it on my watchlist from helping you on IRC I think. You seem to have some editors happy to help you on the talk page though. Sam Walton (talk) 11:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You have branded it as promotional material and removed it without letting me know first or asking my opinion. I don't think that is a "help". While you might be right, asking my opinion first would be a better option IMO. Dmatteng (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I don't particularly appreciate being told that I should be informing you or requesting permission before making an edit. Articles are not owned; anyone can freely edit any article. I explained why I removed it in my edit summary, and a quick glance at the talk page confirms that other editors agree that it wasn't a good section to keep for the reasons above. Sam Walton (talk) 17:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you please remind me, what is your nickname on the IRC? As I have said, and you are right that other editors saw it the same way, I don't have a problem with you removing it. But, because we met on the IRC channel and you answered !helper request, I would expect that you explain me the problem with the section and let me have a chance to improve it, before having a final decision of whether it can be kept. If anything, the understanding of it would/will help my future edits. Dmatteng (talk) 17:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm Samwalton9 on IRC, as here. Apologies for not explaining my removal in full, but the synthesis and promotion links above should give you the information you need now. Sam Walton (talk) 09:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand SYN is to use a source that says fact A and another that says fact B in order to write fact C that neither source says. Could you please specify A, B and C in relevance to the removed section so that I will understand my mistake? Dmatteng (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * "There was clear consensus that" is your own interpretation of the material and thus your C given the reviews (A, B, etc). More importantly it was an entire section devoted to positive reception which did not cite any sources. In this sense it read like you had read each review and come to a conclusion as to the positives of the speaker, writing that in the section. Sam Walton (talk) 18:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The sources are already present on the article, I only haven't cited them in this section. I can cite them in any time. I thought that "There was clear consensus" is my summarization. IE: Review A said: The speaker is loudest from all the speakers of the same size, Review B said the same, Review C said: it is the loudest speaker among those we compared.
 * About positive reception. I have said that this speaker is not as good as Bose SoundLink II per the same reviews in the second sentence. Dmatteng (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for GenePeeks
The DYK project (nominate) 18:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2014 April newsletter
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Caroline Herzenberg
Hi Sam - Not an unreliable source, just that as you pointed out, a lack of sources in the bio for Caroline Herzenberg. I'll correct that, sorry. And thank you so much for posting that bio and other scientists' bios. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuart Littlejohn (talk • contribs) 21:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry
I am sincerely sorry that I changed the request, but I will do whatever it takes to become an account creator as long as I am still contributing massively to Wikipedia.

Please do not take me as disrespecting your levels but please I am just stating that I am a proud Wikipedian and I will not yield easily. Thank you. Cheers!--  Allied Rangoon‧talk   21:31, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sam Walton (talk) 21:35, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Mary Ellen Best
Great work on this article; I've just nominated her painting at WP:FPC. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Picture copyright
Hey Samwalton9! I want to add a picture to TerraCycle, and do you suppose this would be okay? How would I go about explaining how "no free media" is available? If I can't add this picture, am I allowed to take a picture of the product myself and then upload it? Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Bananasoldier how's things? Images aren't my strongest point, but the main thing to look at for non-free images is whether they fit the non-free content criteria - particularly whether there is no free equivalent and whether it would significantly improve the reader's understanding. I think there's an argument for the latter but the former is more tricky and I'm not 100% as to whether taking a picture of it yourself would be copyright infringement or not. I'm not actually sure where the best place to ask would be, but the Teahouse or Help Desk are probably good starts. Sam Walton (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll go poking around. I went to Wikimedia Commons earlier to ask my question, but the response didn't quite give me a "yes" or "no" answer. Bananasoldier (talk) 22:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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The Banner
I'm not trying to be disruptive. I think it is a norm to remove PA's. One of my posts' on the same talk page few weeks ago had been considered PA and got stricken even though I haven't intended it as PA and I don't think it was a PA. It would be rather fair and consistent to do the same here. Please let me know your opinion. Dmatteng (talk) 17:35, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

TerraCycle picture question
Hey! I found this image that has a creative commons license on it. In the image description, however, it says "Photo courtesy of Terracycle." Do you feel this image is safe to upload to Wikimedia Commons, or that the Flickr uploader might have accidentally put a CC license on it even though he/she technically is not allowed? The same for this. Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 04:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hard to say, but my guess would be with your thoughts that they added the CC license but shouldn't have. I'm not 100% though. Sam Walton (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Mary Ellen Best again
As a followup to this, the image, File:Mary_Ellen_Best_-_An_Interior_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg, passed to featured picture. This means that the image - and, more importantly, a description of Mary Ellen Best, and link to her article, will appear on the Wikipedia main page, albeit in about a year, when the image goes into the "Picture of the Day" slot there. You and User:Gcbeale did excellent work on this, and I wanted to make sure it got the recognition it deserved.

(Quick WikiCup note: I don't get any points for nominating the image, as I did not edit it: this is purely because I thought the article was quite good, and I saw the image while making that celebration of WikiCup work for the Signpost a couple weeks ago.)

- Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll get round to polishing the article off before then I think. Thanks for the notification, Sam Walton (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

♥IBCPirates♥
Nice to see you again! I don't need help on anything, I don't have anymore ah-nnoying questions. I just want to say, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME! You really helped me ah-lot. Thank you and if I ever have anymore questions, you'll be the first person I'll go to!--IBCPirates (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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♥IBCPirates♥
Two things. Can you help user:30SecondsToMars with editing? She doesn't know how to source things and I don't want to tell her stuff that might not be true. Also, I noticed that User:Snezzy made extremely RUDE comments on the Tewksbury Memorial High School Talk Page and it upsets me that he hasn't been banned for that. Please take a look at that and see if you can get back to me. Thanks! --IBCPirates (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi IBCPirates, sorry for the delay in replying to you, I've had very little access to internet and had exams! I will take a look at that talk page and help that user soon. If you want a more immediate answer try the Teahouse :) Sam Walton (talk) 17:41, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Dota 2 FAC
Hello. As you have previously been involved with the milestones for the Dota 2 article by giving input, I figured it would be courteous to notify you that said article is up for Featured Article status. I am welcoming you to give your input! D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 18:35, 30 May 2014 (UTC)