User talk:Sandstein/Archives/2018/November

Request
Hi Sandstein, I'm not sure how it took me so long to notice, but User:Nishidani left Wikipedia two months ago. He was unique in his style and approach - it is exactly this diversity which makes Wikipedia such an incredible project. He was also one of our 1000 most active wikipedians.

I did some reading to figure out why he left. He explained it in true-Nishidani style here. He wrote: "Evidently, I am not trusted to work here without having a sword of Damocles hanging over my head, with someone monitoring anyone's ostensible exclamations of 'discomfort' in my regard whatever the exasperation I, for one, may be driven to by reverters."

...in which he was referring to your comment here: I will consider imposing a block or an indefinite topic ban, with or without any prior discussion, in the event of continued battleground-like conduct by Nishidani in this topic area

Other editors have tried to tell him to not worry and trust that consensus will support him, but this didn't sway him.

Would you consider doing something to take the sting out of this situation? It might not work, but it's worth a try for the sake of the project.

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't see it as my role to convince users to stay or leave, sorry. We're all volunteers here, and everybody does what they think is best for them.  Sandstein   10:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree - I didn’t mean to suggest any engagement or convincing. I was trying to get at whether you could remove the threat somehow?
 * Onceinawhile (talk) 11:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It's my policy to discuss arbitration enforcement actions (or, as in this case, potential actions) only with the user(s) concerned themselves and not with others acting on their behalf. See WP:AC/DS.  Sandstein   13:50, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It would have to be a unilateral act of good faith from you, because he is gone. Not a single edit in two months; he has never done this before in his 12 years of being a Wikipedian. If you stick to your policy (the ACDS policy does not apply because the editor was not sanctioned), we have no chance of enticing the editor back to the project. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:18, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * He has done this before, FYI. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Never for this length of time. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:50, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Could be, but it's not an admin's job to beg people to come back. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read the above. That is not what is being requested. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/United States presidential election, 2024 (3rd nomination)
Thanks for closing this AFD. Would you be able to also protect the page from creation until November 3, 2020? That appears to be the consensus of the AFD and is what was done after the previous one as well (though I'm not sure why that admin did May 28). This is a topic that will be likely recreated sooner than expected and it would be better to avoid a repeated deletion discussion; consensus should be required to overturn these discussions rather than a single editor's action, perhaps unaware of them. Reywas92Talk 03:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Already done, it seems.  Sandstein   16:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Notability (earthquakes)
Hi Sandstein, I was surprised to find that this notability guideline had become "official", so I am equally unsurprised to see it being moved back to an essay. I've now copied all the original discussion on the WP Earthquakes talk page, so that people can see what input there was at the time. Since they were added to the WP:Earthquakes main page almost 7 years ago they have been in regular use at AfD, although the shortcut is a novelty. I have at various times asked for more input from anyone who disagrees with them, but none has been forthcoming. How would I go about getting the guideline such that it becomes properly "official"? Mikenorton (talk) 16:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You could launch a WP:RFC, I guess. Guidelines are intended to be based on a broad community consensus, so an RfC or another discussion of a similar breadth or formality is almost unavoidably expected before promoting a page to guideline status. See WP:PROPOSAL for advice on how to proceed.  Sandstein   16:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll see if I have the energy for that. Mikenorton (talk) 16:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Family Plastics
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Family Plastics. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. DennyKuriakose (talk) 05:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Notice
You have not deleted this page 1996–97 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning) despite the fact you closed the AfD as Delete. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that was a script error, I guess.  Sandstein   16:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

She-Ra Sourcing
The sources are inaccurate because there are definitely women who are not pleased with the new design. I could link you to a few pages where this is the case. G. Capo (talk) 17:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please do, but remember, we need reliable secondary sources, not just primary sources like Twitter posts; see WP:RS.  Sandstein   19:04, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/South-Eastern Ukraine
Hi. WP:AFD says: "While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator [...] of the articles that you are nominating for deletion". The article was nominated by a Ukrainian Wikipedia user, obviously for purely political reasons. If he notified me, the result would have been different. (I don't really remember what was there. There was probably only one sentence. Or two. But the topic is valid.) Btw, someone from Ukraine tried to delete the article in the Russian Wikipedia too, and the result was 5:0 or 6:0 or something like that in favor of keeping. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:30, 7 November 2018 (UTC) But okay, thank you for answering. I'll think about it later. Those two sentences are not a big loss for Wikipedia. (I can imagine how the second sentence can drive someone mad, but actually it's outdated. Cause a large part of Donbass doesn't vote in the Ukrainian elections anymore.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, this is not the Russian (or Ukrainian) Wikipedia. We do not require the notification of article creators because we assume that creators will watchlist articles they consider important, and because creators do not have WP:OWNership of articles they create. In addition, AfD is not a vote, and if you had participated only by casting a vote rather than making a policy-based argument, the result would likely not have been different. The content was in fact only two sentences: "South-Eastern Ukraine (Ukrainian: Південно-східна Україна), (Russian: Юго-Восток Украины) is a cultural and historical macroregion[1] comprising the Southern and Eastern oblasts of Ukraine.[2][3][4] It is characterized by a significant proportion of Russian-speaking population and common political preferences in the elections that have been held in Ukraine".  Sandstein   10:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I would have expanded it. I created the article with the intention to expand it later, but never got to it.

Deleted article
Hi Sandstein. Would you mind userfying the article that was deleted here for me? I have a few sources and want to improve the article. EnPassant (talk) 14:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't userfy content, but somebody at WP:REFUND might.  Sandstein   17:00, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, sure. Thank you. EnPassant (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Undoing edit on She-Ra
Why did you removed my edit this time without check thouroghly? I have a cited source you know and there's proof that the Rebellion and the Princess on official twitter and website for bios that they're not the same thing.--ExplorerX19 (talk) 10:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. Your edits were suboptimal because they were awkwardly phrased and lengthened the text without imparting additional information. Good writing is concise. The source you added makes clear that "the rebellion" and the princesses are for all intents and purposes the same group.  Sandstein   17:04, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No it is not. There are some members of the Rebellion that are male like Bow and Seahawk.--ExplorerX19 (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, but this strikes me as minutiae.  Sandstein   14:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Nickihandrixx tour
Hi there I'd like to contest the deletion of the page Nicki handrixx which was deleted.I'd like to understand how this page could be  deleted especially when I have updated the page and had reliable sources. WIKIZILE (talk) 14:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * We have never had a page with the title Nicki handrixx or Nickihandrixx tour.  Sandstein   14:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes the Nickihandrixx tour 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WIKIZILE (talk • contribs) 14:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I cannot recreate a page that has never existed. You must provide the exact title of the page whose deletion you want to contest.  Sandstein   15:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

THIS PAGE NickiHndrxx WIKIZILE (talk) 15:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The page was deleted as a result of the discussion Articles for deletion/NickiHndrxx Tour (2nd nomination). Please refer to that discussion for the reason for the deletion. The consensus to delete was substantially unanimous.  Sandstein   15:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

People named Kevin Smith
I’d like to add, Kevin S. Smith, Mayor of Anderson Indiana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:4000:D430:742E:3BD0:E448:64D0 (talk) 03:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And what does that have to do with me?  Sandstein   06:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

World War Two Talk page
Hi, Sandstein. I've seen your work as an administrator in the topic area of World War II many times over the past nine years. I recently joined discussions at the current World War Two Talk page and have suspended my involvement there for the foreseeable future. I'm inviting you to read the whole page, for future reference at least. All the best, -Chumchum7 (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What specifically do you want my opinion about?  Sandstein   14:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. To clarify, I am not seeking your opinion. I drew your attention to the current page so that you bear it in mind. As I've been familiar with your work for many years, I'm confident that you'll express an opinion when you feel the need to.-Chumchum7 (talk) 18:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don‘t think so. I don‘t follow that article.  Sandstein   06:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Bandito Tour
Hey! I would like to contest the deletion of Bandito Tour. It has received coverage from Billboard and Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebaltin/2018/11/12/why-twenty-one-pilots-are-such-a-vital-band-for-rock/#30a16c286184)(Alternative Press as well, though not as notable as the two previous links). Nevertheless, I think that it had more than just a bunch of dates. Various sources also show that tour has been relatively successful, many shows having been sold out. (If, despite this, the article is not reinstated, would it be possible for me to have a copy of the text?) MikeOwen  discuss  20:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * as participants to Articles for deletion/Bandito Tour (2nd nomination), your view?  Sandstein   20:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. The reference mentions "Bandito" but the article doesn't seem to be about the tour. I don't see the Alternative Press or Billboard links so can't comment. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I noticed that during the deletion process, so I removed the stuff about the one off show. The sources used from Billboard are: Twenty One Pilots Bandito Tour Recap: What Went Down In ... - Billboardhttps://www.billboard.com/articles/.../twenty-one-pilots-bandito-tour-recap-nyc-show as well as Twenty One Pilots Announce Second Leg of Bandito Tour | Billboardhttps://www.billboard.com/.../twenty-one-pilots-second-leg-bandito-tour-see-the-dates. The Forbes review link I put above. AltPress sources are here: bandito tour Archives - Alternative Presshttps://www.altpress.com/tag/bandito-tour/. MikeOwen  discuss  12:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Miss Multinational
Hello. I noticed that you closed the AfD (which I didn't !vote in, because of not knowing it was at AfD) as "no consensus" two days ago, and wonder why, since I, when looking at the discussion, find four delete !votes, including the nominator, against three keep !votes (and one keep !vote that had been struck because of double-!voting), with all of the !votes pointing to rules and regulations here, and not a single one being a "me too" !vote. The impression I get is that you might have been confused by the double-!vote when determining the outcome.

Not a single one of the sources in the article count as supporting any notability, BTW (of the 15 "sources" three are near identical company press releases, two are about the owner of the pageant, both of them reading like paid advertising, and the rest are about beauty pageant contestants, with only passing mentions of the subject of the article...) in spite of a couple of keep !voters claiming they support passing the notability threshold... - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 17:20, 14 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Because AfD is not a vote, opinions given in it are neither votes nor "!votes", and a 4:3 split normally results in no consensus, unless one side has particularly compelling policy-based arguments. That's not the case here. Wikipedians notoriously often disagree in good faith about the quality and significance of sources, and that's not something I can decide by fiat.  Sandstein   17:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess we'll have to send it back to AfD after a reasonable amount of time has passed, but articles about beauty pageants are notoriously difficult to get rid of, no matter how bad the sourcing is, since there's always a number of editors, both experienced ones and brand new ones, who !vote keep, no matter how bad the sources are, and even if there are no sources at all, since all they seem to care about is having an article about their favourite pageant here. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 18:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

A deleted page (article)
Hello, We are not well versed in Wikipedia. Further to a notice of pending deletion on the page about Whiskey Politics, we tried to update sourcing and deleted what was mentioned as an irrelevant source. Now the page has been deleted completely. Please advise as to how we can have the page resurrected for the public. What steps does one need to take? Thank you kindly for your time.Candlebeach (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Who is "we", if I may ask?  Sandstein   19:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Deletion failed?
Hey, just wanted to let you know it looks like a deletion may not have worked properly? The AfD for List of devices with LTE closed as delete, and you deleted the talk page a few hours ago, but the main article is still up. Thanks! PohranicniStraze (talk) 16:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Carlos Nicholas Fernandes
Hi, I wanted to write a page on Carlos Nicholas Fernandes, and noticed that you deleted a past version of it. Could you please explain the reasoning, so that I don't repeat the same mistakes as the previous editor(s)? Thanks in advance. SerTanmay (talk) 18:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The reasons for deletion can be found at Articles for deletion/Carlos Nicholas Fernandes.  Sandstein   19:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks SerTanmay (talk) 05:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Orbit Culture
Hello. My article was being discussed from 10 days ago and no one discuss about it anymore. I don't know if my article is going to be kept or deleted! I edited references and added some better and more reliable ones but no one discussed about it anymore and the AFD message is still on the top of my article! I don't know how can I close that AfD message! Can you help me please?(Bl4ckSireen (talk) 11:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC))
 * Just wait a bit longer. An administrator will eventually close the discussion once there's consensus or a week after the second relisting.  Sandstein   12:00, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, be sure to mention the reliable sources you added in the deletion discussion.  Sandstein   12:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. (Bl4ckSireen (talk) 12:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC))

Discussions from the 6th of November that haven't been closed yet, leading to other troubles
Hi, I know that you're usually involved in AfDs rather than mere discussions, but my concern is this. These 2 discussions (Talk:Panthera leo melanochaita and Talk:Northern lion) were opened on the 6th of November, and though I warned that focusing on other articles, including African lion, which you redirected based on a newer consensus, would lead to complications, my warning was ignored, and other discussions have been opened up, and because these have been linked with the pre-existing discussions from the 6th of November, they have become more complicated over time, with more people saying more things, and the discussions look doomed to get more and more complicated, unless they get closed now. I also wanted this new discussion closed, because it was opened in the midst of these ongoing discussions, and mixed with this pre-existing discussion, and I had a talk with the nominator that having all these discussions would make things worse, unless they get closed. I hope that you agree that holding all these different but related discussions at once and in haste is unwise. Leo1pard (talk) 16:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC); edited 16:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I am not interested in this issue.  Sandstein   21:55, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't blame you, it has become a massive timesink trying to clean it up. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

She Ra
That use of brackets is a mess. It would be better present the quote directly. Anything else is misleading. -- 109.77.229.62 (talk) 02:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with the change that has now been made.  Sandstein   12:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration CA notice
You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks,   petrarchan47  คุ  ก   07:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Fucking incompetent is a personal attack? Meh. You have some antipathy against any usage of the f-word or so do I presume. Or, you were alluding to something else?  &#x222F; WBG converse 12:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have an antipathy towards personal attacks. See WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL.  Sandstein   15:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Query on topic ban
Hi Sandstein, I hope you can clarify the scope of the existing ban. A disagreement has arisen regarding the application of this sanction: User talk:GizzyCatBella/Archives/2022/June. The discussion is here: User talk:GizzyCatBella#Marek Jan Chodakiewicz. He is the historian who wrote about the Koniuchy massacre for example, and the dispute spilt from there to his BLP: Marek Jan Chodakiewicz. I would appreciate a clarification. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Roxy the dog
I have warned the above user once already for copy/pasting Rope to a recently AfDed article Fiber rope for a reason I am not totally sure of and I don't know exactly what to do about it. It's gotten to the point past WP:3RR and I don't want to continue to revert the pointless vandalism on the article. Can you please assist me? Redditaddict69 (talk) (contribs)  20:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Blocked.  Sandstein   20:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Sorry for reverting so many times before going to an admin (you) for help. Thought it would stop after I warned. Redditaddict69 (talk) (contribs)  20:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Zofeen Ebrahim
Hi again, With due respect, but I'm considering a request for a deletion review, because I believe the "no consensus" was not justified. The creator of the BLP failed to convince how the subject pass WP:N. The cited references are either namedrops, and links to self published work, which longstanding practice holds cannot be used to support the notability of the subject. --Saqib (talk) 06:01, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've removed links to self published work. The remaining three sources are organisations where the subject works so I don't think they can be used to establish the notability. What do you think? --Saqib (talk) 06:12, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just renominate the article for deletion. The problem was that there was not enough discussion. A DRV is not going to fix that.  Sandstein   06:20, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration clarification request archived
Hi Sandstein, the Genetically modified organisms arbitration request, which you were listed as a party to, has been archived to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms. For the Arbitration Committee, --Cameron11598 (Talk) 06:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

A page of mine that you deleted
Hello, I created the page Chiloso Mexican Bistro and it was eventually deleted by you. I understand that it should have been deleted but it was for a class and I need to turn it in to my professor so I was hoping you could give me all of that information back somehow so I can turn it in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemess2311 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to register an e-mail account in your preferences so that I can e-mail the contents of Chiloso Mexican Bistro to you. Please contact me again once you have done so.  Sandstein   14:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Rudolf_K._Poecker
Hi! You relisted this article at AfD for a third time but didn't provide an explanation - just curious as to why, or if the relist was just an oversight as the first two relists were bunched together. (Also want to say while I'm here I'm appreciative of the work you do as a closer.) SportingFlyer  talk  13:24, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind remarks. That was in fact an oversight. But let's see whether some new opinions now turn up...  Sandstein   14:31, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Question on my topic ban
Hello Sandstein. Am I allowed to add text about the Ottoman period in the Israel article, provided it's not related to Jews or Zionism? I'm asking because I'm topic banned from ARBPIA, but not all of Israel's article is under ARBPIA, as far as I understand. Thanks--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 15:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please link to the decision imposing this topic ban.  Sandstein   16:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * User talk:יניב הורון, --יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I suppose the answer to your question is yes, provided of course the material you add has no relation to the the Arab-Israeli conflict. I am no expert on the Ottomans but my understanding is that they have nothing to do with this more modern conflict.  Sandstein   17:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Corona Wind Projects
Hi, I missed the discussion around the deletion of this article.

I found out about it because pointed out that there was another page  had nominated for deletion. Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fred_Bauder/Evidence

Since it was deleted I had to do a quick google to see if it was notable and found a number of articles some based on the company press release https://patterndev.com/en/media/press-releases/prc-approves-pattern-developments-new-mexico-wind-projects/


 * https://www.utilitydive.com/news/largest-wind-project-in-hemisphere-approved-for-new-mexico-but-transmissio/539541/ - not based on press release
 * https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/05/new-mexico-approves-pattern-energys-2-2-gigawatt-corona-wind-projects-plan/ - press release based
 * https://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/1495436/patterns-22gw-corona-complex-approved - part based on press release with additional info
 * https://www.windpowerengineering.com/business-news-projects/pattern-developments-new-mexico-wind-projects-approved/ - press release based
 * http://ieefa.org/pattern-energy-moves-forward-with-massive-wind-farm-in-new-mexico/ - background and history
 * https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/prc-approves-pattern-developments-new-mexico-wind-projects/ - press release based
 * https://renewablesnow.com/news/new-mexico-clears-22-gw-wind-project-by-pattern-development-629368/ - press release based
 * https://nawindpower.com/new-mexico-regulators-ok-patterns-corona-wind-projects - press release based

I think there are enough articles that are independent of the company carrying out the development to overcome the proposal for deletion by

Coverage is located in an extremely niche-area of energy-resource-websites. As things stand, Ref 1 is the website of the manufacturer, Ref 2 is from a source which claims to engage in paid-promotion and Ref 3 is slightly better (with some acclaim) but equally dubious. Overall, nothing apart from the fact that setting up of a huge wind-farm has been approved by PRC, (which does not even guarantee a completion).See WP:NOTNEWS. ∯WBGconverse 18:39, 18 November 2018 (U

And the comment from

Delete I had a look, but I can't find anything that's not sourced to a press release, or otherwise an independent source. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

The project could be "the largest wind farm in the Western Hemisphere" so it is an important topic and getting approval by the New Mexico Public Regulation Commission makes it a major approved wind farm.

There are 1,000's of pages of documents on the application at https://patterndev.com/en/business/development/corona-wind/

I am happy to work on improving the article if it is put back or discussing the deletion, or starting a Deletion review as you think appropriate. RonaldDuncan (talk) 18:19, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm relisting the AfD.  Sandstein   18:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Email created
I added an email to my preferences in order to get back the info for the Chiloso Mexican Bistro page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemess2311 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've sent you the contents.  Sandstein   10:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

A page I created that you deleted
Hello, a page Doğukan Yüce that I created was deleted by you and there is refrences to show his notability but I don’t know why it was still deleted. Please I want you to undelete it. Ziggy 2milli (talk) 13:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Doğukan Yüce was deleted per Articles for deletion/Doğukan Yüce, and you do not provide any information that would call this decision into question. I will therefore not undelete the article.  Sandstein   16:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)