User talk:Sandstein/Archives/2023/May

JEHL
Dear colleague, I noticed that you deleted my article about the Journal on European History of Law and at the same time blocked editing outside the circle of administrators. In this context, you refer to a six-year-old discussion about deletion. It is slightly odd to use that argument against a journal indexed in SCOPUS and other databases, to which academics from several countries[corregium] have contributed, and for which sources that are not original to the journal itself have been traced and the journal is in ca 300 libraries around the world. I apologise, but I felt that article was sufficient in my thirteen years of practice here at wiki. If you insist on your conclusion (then I don't understand why there is, for example, the African Journal of International and Comparative Law without similar erasing activities), I would ask you to provide me with the original code of the written article so that I can insert it via WP:AFC, as I am not going to spend another few hours re-producing the same/similar article. Thank you in advance! Regards, Taavetti (talk) 21:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Taavetti, to be recreated the article would need to show substantial coverage (i.e. not just mentions or database listings) of the topic in independent reliable sources, per WP:GNG. That was not the case with the version I re-deleted. I'll send the content to you by e-mail so that you can continue to work on it in draftspace.  Sandstein   11:03, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Mihailo Tolotos
Hi. Could I ask you to take another look at Articles for deletion/Mihailo Tolotos. I noticed this when it came up on WP:DYK. I get that the nose count looks like keep, but if you dig a bit deeper, it's clear that there's basically nothing that's a WP:RS. I've been working my way through the article. There's a single wire report that was printed in some small papers for its human-interest value. Most of the citations in our article are to crappy blogs that have found it and wrapped some made-up fluff around it. The few reliable sources in the article (BBC, Time) are talking about the monastary where he lived and say nothing about Tolotos himself. gave a good analysis of the quality of the sources. The people !voting to keep all ignored that. I don't see anybody who put forth any WP:RS to support keeping. Even the photo we have of him on commons was dropped from the article and is on its way to being deleted because it's some unattributed image found on twitter with no reason to believe it's actually Tolotos.

Sorry to bother you about this, but it really seems like AfD came to the wrong conclusion on this one. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @RoySmith, you and @Sojourner in the earth are very likely right on the merits, but the problem is that the AfD discussion does not reflect that. I have no problem with discounting obviously weak arguments of the WP:ILIKEIT, WP:WAX or WP:USEFUL variety, but most "keep" arguments here are not like that: they argue that the subject meets GNG based on reliable source coverage, which is prima facie a valid argument. Sure, the argument is a weak one on the merits, but I don't feel comfortable discounting it because I think that the quality and quantity of sources is a question of editorial judgment, not something that a closer should decide on their own.
 * However, on reflection I think that there is a problem with the AfD and my closure of it that warrants reopening and relisting the AfD: after Sojourner engaged in a thorough assessment of the sources, the three subsequent "keep" opinions did not engage with this analysis and merely asserted that the sources were sufficient. To help the community arrive at an informed consensus about the quality of the sources at issue, they should instead have explained why they are of that opinion in view of Sojourner's arguments. Accordingly, I think we do not yet have rough consensus on the GNG issue, and I am therefore reopening and relisting the AfD.  Sandstein   15:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank You!
Hello! I just wanted to thank you for your recent revision on the page I Tucker Carlson. I would have done it myself but I am already involved in too many disagreements on-wiki, along with studying for AP exams. Happy Editing! Googleguy007 (talk) 21:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Trump verdict
Hi Sandstein. I thought you might like to know – if you don't already – that the Carroll verdict appears in today's German ITN as: "Der ehemalige US-Präsident Donald Trump ist in einem Zivilprozess wegen sexuellen Missbrauchs und Verleumdung der Journalistin E. Jean Carroll zu fünf Millionen US-Dollar Schadensersatz verurteilt worden." – Sca (talk) 13:20, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, the German Wikipedia is more straightforward in that regard, they just put up whatever the big story in German news is. Which I think is the right approach.  Sandstein   13:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Einverstanden. -- Sca (talk) 15:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Technical question about deletion
Hi, thanks for closing the discussion at Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Algiers (1710-1830). I have a quick technical question: was the article's content moved into a draft during the deletion or does the content get deleted entirely in this process? (I'm trying to confirm what Tayeb188 did here, shortly after the deletion.) Thanks for any help, R Prazeres (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @R Prazeres, the article was deleted, but during the AfD Tayeb188 created a copy of it in draft space. I deleted the draft per WP:G4, as it was apparently created to circumvent deletion.  Sandstein   16:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's what I was starting to think. Thank you for looking into it. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

russo ukrainian war
why does the Community unanimously (approximately 7 to 1 in numerical terms) support the proposal to apply extended confirmed protection to edits and pages related to the Russian-Ukrainian war? And please remove the extended confirmed protection from all articles related to the Russian-Ukrainian war. Kiriuxa2002 (talk) 11:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you are talking about or why it concerns me.  Sandstein   13:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sandstein They're taking about General_sanctions/Russo-Ukrainian_War which was made by an AN/I discussion that you closed. Nobody  ( talk ) 13:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @1AmNobody24, thanks! @Kiriuxa2002, if you are indeed referring to this ANI discussion, I cannot explain the reasons for that community decision other than the reasons that were given in the discussion; I just noted that the decision was made. I have no authority to unilaterally overturn it.  Sandstein   13:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that 's exactly what I mean . You said you have no authority to reverse this decision unilaterally . And who has the authority to overturn this decision? Please tell me who I should turn to in order to cancel this decision. Kiriuxa2002 (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The community of editors has that authority. You'd need to find consensus in an appropriate community forum, such as WP:AN.  Sandstein   08:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * give a link to a specific forum where I can apply in order to remove protection from all articles related to the Russian - Ukrainian war . Thanks in advance for the answer and thanks in advance for the help . Kiriuxa2002 (talk) 12:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sandstein already gave you a link (WP:AN). But let me tell you that it's highly unlikely that the current consensus will change. Nobody  ( talk ) 12:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for the warning, but why do you think that the current consensus will not change? If he doesn't change, then I won't write. Moreover, I do not know how and to whom to write there. And when, then, in that case, will it end? After the war or when ? Kiriuxa2002 (talk) 05:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I neither know nor care.  Sandstein   08:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm just asking someone to help me in removing protection from all articles related to the Russian-Ukrainian war. I do not know how to remove it and who needs to write to remove it . That 's why I 'm writing to everyone . Kiriuxa2002 (talk) 10:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

WBC Muaythai
Hi, can you relist as Draft for me please the previously deleted WBC Muaythai, I don't want to have to recreate it again from scratch, I will expand it. I believe it was wrongfully deleted. Thank you! Lethweimaster (talk) 19:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't undelete articles. You can ask at WP:REFUND.  Sandstein   19:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)