User talk:Sangak/Archive3

Awesome
baba damet garm. The article on Kiarostami was excellent. Some of it was way above my head since I am not a film expert. My only suggestion is to add a list of films produced by Kiarostami. --alidoostzadeh 04:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Abbas Kiarostami
Hi there! I'm very busy with work right now, but I'll see what I can do if you're not in too much of a hurry :) At first glance the article looks great—I'll read it more thoroughly and comment as soon as I have the chance. Best wishes, Fvasconcellos 21:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. I've read the article, and placed it on hold. It is very good, but there are still a few problems, which I've mentioned here. I hope you're not put off by my remarks—this really is a nice article, and neither far from GA nor FA. Best, Fvasconcellos 00:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again! I've had another read, and I think the article is up to GA standard now, so I've passed it. There are still a few very minor problems, which I'll get to later if you'd like me to, but nothing serious. When you're ready for FA, let me know and I'll see how it's doing :) Best of luck and happy editing, Fvasconcellos 10:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks :)) I really appreciate it :) - Francis Tyers · 22:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ditto. :-) Khoikhoi 23:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Bukhtishu
Salam That is true, I checked Professor Frye's heritage of Persia. Plus the etymology of the name is clear. I put a source there. --alidoostzadeh 01:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi
I will do one more copyedit, but the true master of copyediting is User:SandyGeorgia, you might like to ask her to take a look over before you submit it for FA. - Francis Tyers · 11:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Aye, inappropriate examples definitely. - Francis Tyers · 14:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiarostami
Please see my Talk. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 12:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see if I can assist you with anything. You've done a good job already. :) PeaceNT 14:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiarostami length
To me, the best option sounds like splitting out the "Cinematic style" section, although I'd prefer an article name such as Cinematic style of Abbas Kiarostami. The section in the main Abbas Kiarostami article could then be condensed to provide an overview of his style. I made a sample edit in my Sandbox to this effect: leaving in a good three or four paragraphs for the overview section, it cut the article down to 40 kB—much better.

I don't think rewriting the article is a very good idea—you could lose a lot of good information! Let me know what you think, and remember, there is no deadline :) Fvasconcellos 17:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll have a look as soon as I can. Be careful, though—the paragraphs in my sandbox were random!! I'm sorry if you got the wrong idea about that.


 * 54 kB is definitely within FA range. If you are not in a hurry, I recommend you ask User:SandyGeorgia to have a look: she's a great editor and has lots of experience reviewing FAs. She is traveling until early March though, so she might not be able to look at the article too soon.


 * I won't edit the article much anymore in case anyone thinks there is a conflict of interest (since I passed it as a GA), but I can copyedit a little. Fvasconcellos 20:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, good luck! I don't think you'll meet much opposition—I've been reading the article again, and I think it's definitely up to standard. Best, and good luck with your next endeavors, Fvasconcellos 21:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey great job with the condensing and the new page I am glad the full work wasn't deleted. It looking great!! I told you the article was way better than one or two were portraying!! Its status has gone up amazing quickly!! All our hard work will pay off on this I'm sure. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Persian Literature
Well, as a copyeditor I'd be happy to help you. I'm noy that good at shortenig down articles but I am a good copyeditor, so I'll try to help A.S.A.P. Showmanship is the key 18:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Sangak - you've done some great work on the Contemporary section of Persian Literature. I can see that it still needs a lot of work. The first thing I've done is tidy up the picture caption - maybe you'll want to check this to see that we haven't lost any links that you would have liked to have kept. --Quywompka 00:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Abbas Kiarostami
Greetings. Since I'm a fan of his work, I will help out. I'll look it over soon. Take care.Tombseye 22:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hail to you. I'll try my best. Amir85 17:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Persian transliteration
Well, I suppose the best way is to get a consensus first for you edits on the talk page, and then you can implement them. If you wanted, you could also split it off from the page and create Manual of Style (Persian), but such actions should not be done unilaterally. Bedrood, Khoikhoi 05:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. I believe it is a great idea and necessary one to create Persian transliteration. I suppose we have two options here - we can either deploy David N, Mackenzie’s transliteration, which is based on his predecessors, i.e. Richelet and Jackson, which currently is the model for the pre-Islamic Iranian languages (i,e. Avestan, ol-Persian, Parthian and Sasanian Pahlavi), or Encyclopaedia Iranica. EI has number of extra constants for ح, ذ, ص, ض, ط, ظ, ع, ث and it is similar to Arabic WP:AMOS, (in Persian we do not pronounce them). I can copy the Mackenzie’s transliteration guideline here if you wish. ← ← Parthian Shot  (Talk)  06:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Sangak - I have added the Mackenzie’s transliteration in the relevant section as requested. Your endeavours is greatly admired and appreciated. Regards ← ← Parthian Shot  (Talk)  07:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Pascal's triangle
Dear Sangak. A while ago, there was a bit of an edit war at Pascal's triangle about inclusion of Omar Khayyam and others in the lead section. The problem is, mentioning one or two who studied the triangle before Pascal, or whom the table is named after in some languages, opens up a can of worms - how about India? Italy? The solution of leaving out the details in the lead, and including them in the history section instead, appears to have been accepted by all editors involved for quite some time, and I think it should stay that way. Hence, if you do not disagree with this, I suggest you move your contributions down to the history section, restoring the lead section to the brief version. However, it's not like you are disrupting a state of affairs resulting from a vote, form arbitration, or the like. - The lead section ideally should be a summary of the rest of the article, and hence should not include material that is not covered in more detail below. - By the way, I think the history section in Pascal's triangle is too brief and too far down in the article; any work contributing to making that section more prominent would be most welcome.--Niels Ø (noe) 15:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Sangak; thanks for your reply. I still think "my" version of the lead (as in this version), but it's also OK listing those four countries as you did. Anyway, let's move to the article talk page; I really should have started there anyway.--Niels Ø (noe) 15:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Images in Abbas Kiarostami article
Hi again Sangak! I see you've put Abbas Kiarostami up for FAC—good luck. Would you mind adding a fair use rationale to the pages of images used in the article (such as film posters and book covers), as described here? The page provides some examples, but you can add it in your own words if you prefer. Describe "why" you think they should be used in the article (e.g., the article is about the director, the images illustrate his work, this is important for the article). Fair use images have been receiving a fair amout of criticism in FAC, so thing should be as above board as possible. Thanks, Fvasconcellos 17:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As for "Cinematic style", I'm not sure—I'll ask at the GA talk page. Fvasconcellos 18:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK—I'll ask later then, when I have time, just to make sure :) There's probably no hurry, though. Best, Fvasconcellos 18:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

To be honest I don't think its quite ready for a FA yet -it atill needs to be written better but I definately think it is up to an A-class article at the moment. When I have time I'll try to make it read more professionally for the top level. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, we will see. It was already assessed close to A-class two weeks ago. Over the last two weeks it has been copyedited and improved significantly. see here I changed the article based on a long list of comments during peer review and GA assessment. The size of the article was redcuced from 74 kb to 54 kb. Three other copyeditors copyedited the article from top to the end. It is now quite close to FA, as many told me. It has been written in a professional language. Finally, an FA is an end. One can even improve an FA. Sangak 20:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Enrolment in Iranian universities
Would you be able to search the website of Islamic Azad University (http://www.iau.ac.ir/) and Payame Noor University (http://www.pnu.ac.ir/) to find a reference for the number of students at each University? (in English, I would search for "enrolment OR enrollment" or "student numbers" to find this). Thanks! Natebailey 13:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No hurry -- thanks for helping :-) Natebailey 10:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Chicago's Persian heritage crisis
Please see the talk page. I admit the language can be a little prejudicial but do you know of a better way to emphasize how serious this may be? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Review
Hi! The article is good, but I have made some comments and suggestions in the FAC. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  09:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Abbas Kiarostami
I notice in this article both AE and BE are used, that's inconsistent. Could you tell me what kind of English is preferably used here? Maybe I can fix some words. Cheers PeaceNT 13:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll see :-) PeaceNT 13:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey I am only copy editing! I only added one line to Tickets which didn;t have any. It is reading even better now have a look at my edits on the history ok! Have faith in me. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

In fact I am using a higher standard of language in places which has reduced the size. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Well that is very minor. One could argue American english is POV!!!!! THe English language did not derive from America but from England -hence English. Or is this American wikipedia? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey lighten up I was only kidding. Its just Wikipedia is very American!! when the English language is very English -do you see my point! I don't have a problem with using American english if it'll get us our deserved FA but forgive me if I forget to spell words such a favour and neighbour as favor and neighbor!! I am British!! THe article is looking great now thoughErnst Stavro Blofeld 14:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats ok. I have read it though now and copy edited any phrases which needed smartening up -it reads very well now but I ahad to add a few sentences to spirituality as vital information was missing which is more important than what was there before. Remember there are many featured articles this length. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't asked for support, I have asked users to review it and to comment on whether they support it or not. I am only making important users aware so they can make their own decision. Wow you're really touchy today! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have reworded the request for users to review it now on their talk pages -asking them to review the page and leave their comments. OK? APologies I didn't mean to suggest anything!! Its just important that many key users of wikipedia are allowed to make their decision. Are we OK? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool. If you add the review requests to many administrators and other good users talk pages it would be good idea. Then they can make their own decision. All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

THanks - Pena seems like a great asset to film - he is also very keen not only on Iranian cinema but Argentine cinema and Latin Films which I am also passionate about. I thought it would be lice to have some good articles linked from Abbas's main page. I reckon the next goal should be to develop his major films such as Taste of Cherry and aim at getting them to good article status! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Әstedā mikonam. Besiyār xošhnūdam ke shoma ān rā pasandidid. Erādatmand – Khodāyār. ← ← Parthian Shot  (Talk)  15:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProjects stuff
Hi Abbas Kiarostami,

I'm so sorry to have missed your message in the mess that's my talk page. I've been quite busy in the past week, but will take a look at the article when I've more time. It looks impressive at first glance, with all the citations. Sorry again for my lack of assistance so far. Xiner (talk, email) 15:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm ok, just a bit stressed. Thanks. Take care of yourself, too. Xiner (talk, email) 16:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. One idea I've gotten through this exercise is that long articles such as this (how did you write it anyway??) could be broken up into sections for copyedits, with one editor responsible for just a couple of sections. This way you can probably attract more help. Xiner (talk, email) 20:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * o_O Xiner (talk, email) 20:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

What is against WP:Layout? That poster is from 2004 why is it in the 1970s section? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Look I don't appreciate you just wiping out my work. I don't want to waste time like that. OK if you want the posters the size thats ok -thats fine they look a little - but its only makes sense to put the literautre section at the bottom together -this is the layout for other articles. PLEASE DO REVERT MY EDITS without telling me again. Ok. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

OK thats fine but please tell me if you disagree with an edit rather than just eliminating it all without word. THanks Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I didn't see it as a major change though. We both want this to be promoted a lot. I don't see any other alterations to make now. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. -seems to be going very well the nomination process. But do you think the paragraph on Kiarstami's digital micro cinema is very important? Even if condensed I feel it should be part of the main article. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC) Yes if it is going ok there is no reason to add the paragraph -its just i thought it was an important part of his work and should be at least a small section in the article - I like that image as well. I really wish there wasn't any restrictions on page size in my view the more information and detail the better! However better not have it over 60kb. All the best! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats fine but how about a link then from there to the main paragrpah on the Cinematic style page. something like main article:cinematic style#Digital cinema? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorted -I have added the link the the section using pop-ups -the main microcinema article is very poor and does not really relate to Kiarostami's cinema. Cool? -hey yes I'm glad our full work has been kept on the style page. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey I have started Richard Pena - a red link from Abbas Kiarostami article. Remember -the guy who stated about Kiarostami's entry to New York after 9/11 attacks? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Gilaki
Probably like in Wales too. The first language of most is English, but Welsh is their language. - Francis Tyers · 16:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

New Wikiproject
I thought this might help to organise efforts for Persian language/literature related articles. To be honest I think at the moment the articles on Persian literature and poetry are in need of a lot of improvement. --Rayis 19:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Persian literature

Kiarostami request
I just spotted this. Thanks, and feel free to ask whatever you may wish in the future. Cheers! :-) NikoSilver 21:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:your note
I guess the only thing you can do is request that he cite his sources. Also see WP:ATT. Khoikhoi 10:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Some people have commented that the background/personal life section is too basic -I agree. Here is some important info mimissing:

Kiarostami was one of the few directors that remained in Iran after the 1979 revolution, when many of his fellow Iranian filmmakers and directors fled to the west, and believes that it was one of the most important decisions of his career. He has stated how his permanent base in Iran and national identity has consolidated his ability as a filmmaker:

"When you take a tree that is rooted in the ground, and transfer it from one place to another the tree will no longer bear fruit," he says. "And if it does, the fruit will not be as good as it was in its original place. This is a rule of nature. I think if I had left my country, I would be the same as the tree."

Abbas caused controversy in his native Iran at the 2005 Cannes festival in France, when in accepting his award he exchanged kisses with French movie star Catherine Deneuve. The ordeal sparked a significant upset back at home, where such an action between an unmarried man and woman verges on a punishable crime. As a result Kiarostami chose to stay out of the country for several few months until the contoversy settled down.

This infomration is very important Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree totally - if I find the source can you reference that new bit of info. The kiss if anything should go in the controversy section? The bit about his Iranian identity after the revolution is very important though Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Here is the source for that revolution info. Please add the referencing cheers. I have left the section on the kiss in the talk page for now -it is the same source. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/03/1059849264112.html

wel done I have also found a tiny bit of info about his love of crayoning!! -that looks really good I have written this into the intro. It is now looking about complete I think - but I still think the section should be named Background rather than personal life. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think its sourced already but if you want to add another citation it is the same dource as the revolution info. Its just about completed. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There we go howz that? I have added the link to the Iranian revolution and found acool image of tehran's University of the Arts where he studied. It looks great. What do you think? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

One thing though -professionaly all quotes should be set out like As I said it is now complete. As I just said it is now complete. They promise of houries in heaven But I would say wine is better Take the present to the promises A drum sounds melodious from apart

OK then its just they stand out more. It may take up more kb anyway but that poem quote looks MUCH better like this. Its ready I think. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. With the 20+ supports and many strong supports it is looking very very promising. Can you beleive some users think it is better than Sangjavit Ray's page!!!? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah as long as the link is there it doesn't realy matter - I take it his son's work isn't all that impressive? OK thats fine. One last thing. I'm not ahppy about the image of him in 2004 in the 1970s. If I keep the picture the same size (I relaise about the no px thing now) I think it would look better in the 2000s section on the bottom left. If I show you you can revert it if you disagree Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I've put his son in the assistant section with a note. I did a preview of the moved poster but I actually prefer it as it is - I am happy with the layout now. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

well so is Iranian cinema and the renassiance and his assitant mentioned in the article but they should still be linked its fine now -he is related after all. Is there something about his son I dont' know about? - it seems you have a dislike or aversion to him. What is his story? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey I finished with the work on Kiarostami about 20 minutes ago - I have been surveying my Argentine films!!! I told you I had finished. No I agree you don't want to over edit it. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool the best thing is to just wait now until we see that monunmental bronze star at the top! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Re:Images
No, the images will have to be physically replaced as the file differs. :) You would also have to mark the gif files as obsolete using this template: . Regards,  =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You need to add it in the image namespace for all the gif files you replaced. Make sure that new filename is also added to the "obsolete" template. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I did it. Thanks for the info. Sangak 18:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing Darius Mehrjui
Hi, Sangak. I'd be happy to proofread and copy edit for you. I've just had a terrible experience with an administrator here today though and think I need a break from Wikipedia for a few days to unwind and relax. I will take a look at the article some time this weekend. Regards, --Jayzel 01:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Bedil Dehlavi
There's no doubt that there have been recent works in Iran on Bedil's poetry, in the last 5 to 10 years. By saying that Bedil is more famous in Afghanistan than in Iran, is that in Afghanistan Bedil has a status like that of Hafiz and Sanayee next to Iranians, and it has the same status as Rumi and Hafiz for Afghans; used in everyday life and largely used in Ghazal Music. The only reason is the language style of Hindi poetry and its expressions, which differs widely from the Iraqi school (western Persia).

Iranians state that Bedil's poetry contains a lots of Gholo in its Tashbehat and Iste'ara, and of course is true. But for Afghans, it adds more in is delicateness. So what I have written, was meant to express the status of Bedil among common people and not how much work and researches done.Ariana310 10:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You can also have a look at THIS.

In contrary, I removed your part of sentence (he is respected in Afghanistan and Tajikistan), because he is respected equally all over the Iranian Cultural Continent as being a great Persian Poet and founder of Indian school.Ariana310 10:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, no doubt much researches done on Bedil's works from 1990's onward in Iran, since Afghanistan suffered from civil war and lost the majority of its great scholars. Remember, I did not say anything about the researches and works, only about his familiarity among people.Ariana310 10:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, you are calling it a game?! Neither, I would like to start such a thing. You are insisting on researches and works done on Bedil in Iran, and I have no objection. I agree. And you have already added it in the article. So I do not see any further argument. Thanks Ariana310 10:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not use any personal feeling as saying "in the hearts of Afghans". May I call it your personal understanding?
 * I never said that His language is unaccessible to Iranian scholars and Iranian people, did I? I said: "his language is not easily comprehensible for Iranians (do not include personally the Iranian schoars) as the language of Hafiz, Sadi, Khayam or others". I see a great difference between "unaccessible" and "incomprehensible".
 * Saa'eb Tabrezi is also a poet of Indian school, brings no importance in your point. And for your second point, Iranians heard more of Bedil than Saa'eb, I strongly disagree.


 * Playing with words?! .... and that would be in your arguments?! Should I take "lazy" and "stupid" as the same meaning?Ariana310 10:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No negative intention dear Sangak. It was just to give an example.Ariana310 10:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Also your argument leads to the following: "the language of Sadi, Hafiz, Rumi, etc are not easily comprehensible for Afghans as of Bidel." - That's your personal conclusion from my statements!! Sorry, I am done with this nonobjective discussion. Ariana310 11:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Films February Newsletter
The February 2007 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Cbrown1023 talk 23:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Just happened to be connecting films up and I happened to come across the new page Cinema of Afghanistan and whose name do I find but yours!!!! Nice start. Feel free to start missing films and please treat that List of Iranian films seriously- as many Iranian films need to be listed here with the actor and directors written in as possible -if you could add a few some time I would be very grateful. However try not to alter the world cinema master template too much as it affects every important cinema page in the world Thanks. P.S -like my new signature? -I would have had the cat image but it is against policy to have images! Blofeld (talk) 13:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey very good work on those directors -surely your're not going to attempt to feature those too? Bio-images for both directors to physically identify them would be nice if we can get hold of some free images or fair use posters of them. I have an interest to develop Taste of Cherry into at least a good article -we could use much of the material in Abbas's article with little effort - about Mr Badii. What do you think?. Blofeld (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Check out - I've been wathcing. If you search for Abbas you'll see him collecting his award - seems like a great man -very softly spoken. I will upload an image of Panahi now winning an award but place it at the bottom of article like Abbas's award Blofeld (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added an image of Panahi winning the award. Blofeld (talk) 14:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Abbas Kiarostami
Thank you and sorry for the delayed response. I just finished reading the entire article. It is very well-written, and you've done a great collaboration with other users. Keep up the good work! Siba 15:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added a comment on the propose page about how important the section on his style is. One thing though remember that a comment is a comment. The proposal has not yet had a single oppose so it is 28/28. If user Xiner decides an oppose then it will become 28/29. A comment is a neutral comment - not an oppose. How are you today? You still haven't told me where in the world you live. Do you actually live in Iran? Ernst Stavro Blofeld "I've been expecting you" 13:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I posted a comment, not an oppose. The article's going through and I've no interest in stopping it. I just wanted to make my views known so that hopefully I can gain consensus for something that I think needs to be done. Thanks again for your hard work. Xiner (talk, email) 14:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi yes I initally set up a template but I dleetded it when I found out how to programme the signiature into my preferences -this is wh ythe name disappered because it was from the template!! Now is does it automatically Ernst Stavro Blofeld  "I've been expecting you" 14:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

There we go my new signature <font color="Blue">Sir Blofeld  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 14:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes Xiner agrees with me that it is a comment not an oppose. Don't woory about it I think he is concerned about the length but to cut it down to just sentences will definately affect quality. To create a personalized signature copy my User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld/Sig and create one on User:Sangak/Sig. Do this first. <font color="Blue">Sir Blofeld <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 14:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have created one for you. Now go into my preferences at the top of the page and add put this in the signature

Put this in  subst:User Sangak/Sig   and then place a  around it in the signature in your preferences. <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

OK? I like the purple! I have altered mine now <font color="Purple">Sir Blofeld  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

<font color="Blue">Sir Blofeld <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Done it ? I'll stick with the blue I think -yours looks good in purple -as you know I am strongly affected by colours and imagery so it helps to brighten up even the most dull of talk pages! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

only copy this subst:User Sangak/Sig   -you don't need all the mess around it. then just put a around it in your preferences  -ignore all the // .. ,,. font details!!!! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry put this in tiny fault you need to put a : after User: Try this  subst:User:Sangak/Sig with a   <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey I just siad there is a tiny fault try User:  : is needed!! thatsall! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

There we go well done looks much better! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

One thing though I don't know if it is intentional but by "yimply" do you mean "simply"? <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

NO such word as yimply! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing Kiarostami films from the List of Iranian films
One thing that needs doing is to put all of Abbas's films into the List of Iranian films many of his important films are missing from this main list <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Need clarification
Hi! I am in the League of Copyeditors and started a copyedit of Science and technology in Iran, but need clarification on the usage of Persia vs. Iran. Please see the article's talk page and reply. (I think this will also apply to your request for copyedit for Persian literature.) Thanks! Galena11 19:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Bedil Discussion
Dear Sangak, My apologize for any personal attacks during the discussion. Nonetheless, I was to quit the discussion because it seemed to me a very simple point on what we were wasting our time. Anyhow, I saw that you edited the article, I will go through it and if it was necessary, I will edit a little bit keeping the same neutral point. Again, my excuses. Bye. Ariana310 09:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem
Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any other questions. Btw, was that Sangak on tg.wikipedia you? - Francis Tyers · 11:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Kiarostami
Thanks, but I really didn't do much. Glad you're happy with the article. Mtevfrog 12:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's very kind! My part wasn't that great, you know—it is indeed an excellent article. Best wishes for your future edits, Fvasconcellos 13:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I popped by to take a look the article and see that it was already promoted. That's cool! You're a brilliant editor. I can see you've put a lot of effort in improving Kiarostami, and it really paid off. :-) Btw, your new fancy signature looks adorable (I love the colour). Cheers! PeaceNT 14:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! You and the article deserve it. Xiner (talk, email) 14:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! You did a hell of a job with the article and I'm glad to see Kiarostami gets some good treatment here. Hope to see him on the Main Page soon! Tombseye 20:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes!!!!! I told you the article would get there and might I say a 28/28 vote!! -it is rare for a complete white wash! Glad to see people also like your signature! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 22:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
 * It really is an excellent article. Good work. James086 <sup style="color:darkgreen;">Talk  02:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations - you have done an excellent job - Dar zemn man kāri nakardam ke dar khor-e sepāsgozāri bāsham – Ahūrā negahdārat bād. Erādatmand ← ← Parthian Shot  (Talk)  06:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Mobarak ! Fabienkhan | talk page 09:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Remember though we can't expect to see Abbas on the front page immediately. The fact he is a featured article now has made me content enough. I know you have been working on the Cinema of Iran - I reckon this should be written into a featured article. <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 21:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The only thing is its a shame that articles like Sohrab Shahid-Saless are extremely poor - I am going to work on this a bit ok? <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 21:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I see you started the article its good that it exists but I am going to work on this set myself another article to write!! Feel free to help out <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 21:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!! A job well done. :-) your efforts have been admirable! Thelma Bowlen<sup style="color:DarkBlue;">Talk 02:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Iranian wikiproject
Hey,

I saw that you have been active in the Iranian wikiproject. I think it definately needs organising a little so I decided to make a to do list. I am still a bit confused by all the other articles currently there. I think we should put it all in the new to do thing and just make sure everyone knows about it and watches it and keeps it uptodate. I think there might be other to do lists too but I am not sure if they are up to date or not..

Link: Iranian Wikipedians' notice board/to do currently its included in: Iranian Wikipedians' notice board

ps. Keep up the great work man! --Rayis 18:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sohrab Shahid-Saless -its a start <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 22:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added a cinematic style and awards - I will add a table tomorrow to Sohrab Shahid-Saless. If I can make it a B-class thats a task well done <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 22:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have now worked on Sohrab Shahid-Saless, Bahram Bayzai and Bashu the Little Stranger -are you interested in any of these? <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 15:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

THanks! We now have a "Mini Abbas" on the go with Bahram Bayzai -it was a stub about 40 minutes ago!! I have just added a new section alos on Reception. Of course it needs copy editing but rememebr this was the case with Abbas!! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 16:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Next one to receive the treatment will be Parviz Kimiavi. OK? <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 16:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Iranian cinema template has been created in accordance to other countries-this template will go at the bottom of every page related to Iranian cinema including all of the people in the industry. I hope you like it! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 20:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I aim to add a template eventually for each country so it connects every article related to the cinema of that country. It is very useful for connecting everything together. I hope the Iranian New Wave icon in the box is appropriate <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 20:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

As it grows I would like it to become like this with the decades and also the iranian film icon

<font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 20:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Dariush Mehrjui
I copyedited the article for you. Regards, --Jayzel 15:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It s a good award huh? You must have been busy this week I gave to you about 3-4 days ago I think! I have been busy with The Maltese Falcon (1941 film) (wrote 80% of the article), Tibet and Dalai Lama (added the gallery! <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 14:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

science and technology in Iran
Thanks for your message, and sorry I haven't responded sooner (real life was demanding too much of my attention). I'll try to copyedit the historical sections (Science in Persia) of the article today and/or the next few days. It's a good start. Overall, I have several comments: --ragesoss 17:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sources are very thin for the historical sections; only the batteries section has a reference.
 * It often seems like simply a list of interesting historical snippets than an overview of Persian science. The discussion of al-Tusi, for example, is entire devoted to a comparison with early-modern and modern western scientists (while leaving out his contributions of more lasting influence to astronomy).
 * In general, it needs to have less about important people and what they did (that's what biographical articles are for), and more about the way science/natural philosophy was done in Persia, the reasons it was done, the places it was done, who was paying for it, etc.

Iranian Hostage Crisis
Hi, As an Iranian Wikipedian, I would like you to see the Featured Pictures Candidates page here: and to show your opinion that if it's Good to have the image as FP and to show it on Main Page. Thank you. Ba sepas. --Arad 00:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The Abbas Kiarostami Award for Iranian cinema
<font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 10:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Sangak Jaan, I had checked all the pages except my own user page for ages! It is late by i wanted to thank you for your kind barnster. Paayandeh baashid o sarboland.--Mani1 16:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

300 (film) and categories
Hey, thanks for the intriguing and level-headed discussion; the whole Ahmadinejad matter is very interesting, though I definitely would have argued otherwise had I taken part. Unfortunately, 300 is a highly unstable article at the moment, and other editors may see your suggestions as POV pushing (I wouldn't go so far as to say OR). I think it's very unfortunate, but it may be best to let the issue die down for a bit. I wish there were more fitting categories regarding film, because I definitely agree that the film is seen as Anti-nationalistic, and many are going to argue this point for it to be categorized this way, but people are being sensitive on both sides. María: ( habla ~  cosas ) 18:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

CInema templates are up for deletion
Unbelievably a nasty user has put all of the cinema templates up for deletion. I beelive they serve a great purpose for establishing a better understanding and connection between articles. But in totla haste he has gone ahead and proposed the lot. If my hard work is deleted I swear I am leaving wikipedia for good. I am willing to limit the use of the American template but not the others.

Please leave your view at Templates for deletion/Log/2007 March 13 THanks <font color="Blue">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  <font size="-4"><font color="Black">"I've been expecting you" 12:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Advieh
Hi, can you help expand Advieh (and add the Persian spelling)? Thank you, Badagnani 00:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Serjik
A tag has been placed on Serjik, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add  on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. δ σ  ώ  п  ҹ  <sup style="color:#F01366;">(talk) <sup style="color:#69072D;">(cont)  11:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article and removed the tag for you :) SGGH 11:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem SGGH 11:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)