User talk:Sangeethaa Theivendran

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Kallar
Hi, I have reverted you at Kallar (caste) because it looks like you are inserting your own opinion with that of sources. Some of those sources are a bit dubious anyway (Athelstane Baines, for example). If you are not in fact doing that then please could you provide citations at least for each paragraph. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I have edited the page regarding Kallar (caste) mainly based on the book by Louis Dumont, "Piramalai kallar, A south Indian sub caste". I also took excerpts from published theses under Department of Historical studies and tourism development. I wouldn't have tried to edit the page if certain details were not available; rather the details about the caste in the present wikipedia page are distorted and derogatory. So tried to bring the truth with proper references.Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 09:27, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not actually deal with "truth" but just with what is verifiable using reliable sources - see WP:VNT. I thought you hade just added a bunch of stuff that relies on ancient texts for verifiability and I'm afraid that those are never suitable. So, I reverted you again.


 * Wikipedia is also not censored. Aside from erring on the side of caution when it relates to living people, we say things as they appear in reliable sources, regardless of whether that might cause offence. Our role is not to judge but to reflect what reliable sources say, hence WP:NPOV.


 * That said, Louis Dumont was an academic and might have a place in the article. The problem is that I rather think his opinion has been rejected by more modern academics, which means we have to be careful about how much weight we give to his views. I'll see if I can find a copy of the book. Hope this helps. - Sitush (talk) 16:36, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The editing i made to etymology was based on Louis Dumont's views and government gazette sources. I wonder why you have accepted Louis Dumont's reference in the present wikipedia page. You just reject the source if your personal opinion differs from the source I have cited.

The editing I made to Origin is completely based on current genographic research. I is a well established fact. It is against the brahminical ideology. I find that must be the reason for rejecting that claim. Thank you for dominating wikipedia with your personal views.

September 2016
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The last edit i made is using my own words. I viewed the youtube video. A journey of man. Based on the findings of Dr.Spencer Wells, I edited the "origin" of kallars. I gave only that youtube video as reference. How is that a copyright violation?.Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 06:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You also copied over some content from the thesis that you were copying content from earlier. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:31, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Being new to wikipedia, I wasn't aware of the rules. I read the important rules regarding editing the articles. All that I am trying is to improve this article based on some books, theses and research works. I need to know if I can cite a thesis as a reference,i.e, writing an original content based on my readings and citing the thesis as reference. Is that allowed in wikipedia? So that I can read many theses on this subject till the block is removed...Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 18:02, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Help me!
Is a published thesis a proper reference for an article?...

Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 05:27, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, PhD theses are valid sources, and can be considered reliable, as long as the information they're providing has been vetted, and they're not dissertations in progress. However, review papers are preferable to them. Masters theses aren't considered reliable unless they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence. See WP:SCHOLARSHIP. —Hexafluoride Ping me if you need help, or post on my talk 07:35, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Hexafluoride Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 10:45, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Piramalai kallars
Hi Sitush,

The eight divisions of piramalai kallars mentioned before revision of the article is specified clearly in many thesis. This is known as "ettu naadu". The sub-heading "religion" only elaborated the clan deity of eight sub divisions of the caste. Every year on "masi pachai" all the piramalai kallars visit these ettu naadu temples. This is also in many thesis.

page 75, page 103,

The film "Rajini Murugan" has a scene about the panchayat headed by the priests of the above "ettu naadu."

In the sub-heading "Notable people" I mentioned only those persons after direct verification;except S.Venkatesan and Sundaravanthiyathevan.For these two people I referred from their family members. Kavingar Vairamuthu,Director P. Bharathiraja,Solvendhar Selvendhran, Ex- Member of Parliament of India,Sellur K. Raju,Tamilnadu Minister Of Cooperative and Labour Welfare,V. V. Rajan Chellappa,V.Theivendran, Chief Engineer, Head of the Department of Agricultural Engineering, Tamilnadu Government,Kabilan Vairamuthu,writer,Madhan Karky, Lyricist,K.R.S.Ram Jeyanth, Indian Defence Accounts Service, are my direct blood relations and I belong to the same caste. Anyway, this may not be considered as reference in wikipedia and I cannot obviously produce their community certificates.

What is surprising for me is why the genographic research is not accepted?? It is scientific evidence...Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 05:47, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Have added the sub-divisions and temples along with references.Sangeethaa Theivendran (talk) 10:34, 8 October 2016 (UTC)