User talk:SantaMonicaMax

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England
Tottenham are not one of football's top clubs. Please stop adding them to this article. Thanks. --Michig 09:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The point of listing teams in the England article is to identify English club teams that are among the top clubs in the world rather than just among the best in England - it's fairly self evident that England has the best clubs in England. Here's some stats from the last 20 years:

Club / English Championships/FA Cups/European Champions/UEFA or CW Cup

Manchester United /    8/5/1/1

Arsenal          /    5/5/0/1

Liverpool       /     3/5/1/1

Chelsea          /    2/2/0/1

Tottenham      /      0/1/0/0

I don't think anyone can argue with the top 3 above being in the article. Chelsea have not historically had the success of these top 3, but have to be in as they are (unfortunately) the top team in England of the past few years. Tottenham's success in terms of major trophies is well in the past, and they haven't been a force in Europe at all for a long time, so I don't think they should be in the list. Historically, Aston Villa have a better record of major trophies than Tottenham, but again they haven't done much recently. I have nothing against Spurs by the way. --Michig 17:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)