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Re: Bosnian League
Essentially, yes. This change was proposed a little over a month ago, and the consensus was that the league is not fully professional. See WT:FPL. If you wish make this change you must demonstrate that consensus on the issue has changed. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Essentially, yes? Help me to understand - are you saying that you derived your conclusions from the facts, and reached consensus by deliberation, as you dwell upon the documents or other source of facts and informations for some period of time ? Or you are simply confirming that you reached the decision by vote, indeed, based on a hunch and your personal preference ? Are you saying that I have to outmuscle you with more votes ? Despite the fact that I know the league is professional, that it's based on identical statut and regulations as Serbian, Croatian and Montenegrin, and that, most importantly, you can read it for yourself in the documents given in refs ?--Santasa99 (talk) 03:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I read through these documents, hanged on each FA website, respectively. I also know that Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Montenegrin and Bosnian statute and regulations are identical. They all inherited the old statute and the old regulations, which gave "Prva Savezna Liga Jugoslavije" professional status - they all inherited same regulations, not just Serbian FA.

That create problem here - if these leagues are all professional, as their documents show, then they must be, since they are bound by UEFA regulations, and they have to meet them in full, not as they chose.

But as always, what's important here is consensus, and in such manner that number of votes supersede fact(s). This is Wikipedia, after all.

Nonetheless, some of these editors, and that is painfully obvious, confusing economical prowess and financial strength of these smaller leagues with professionalism. Instead of drawing conclusions from the facts and informations, or any kind of sources, they vote if league is professional or not. Not to mention that it's generally accepted that if four or five people show up to vote and reach consensus, it's considered enough, as if that's somehow representative of general public - mention of facts is pointless at this point. Anyway, this gives them impression that they are doing something absolutely correctly, and that decision reached on the basis of personal preferences, personal opinion and hunch is still OK, as long as it's resulting in consensus.

However, these leagues exists and operate as professional under UEFA umbrella, they are bound by FIFA/UEFA regulations, which gives them credibility.

And yes, froward removal of Bosnian league from the list, as it is completely baseless, seems to me troubling--Santasa99 (talk) 05:21, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Statutes and Regulations in all six FA, in six countries emerged from Ex-Yugoslavia (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia), are the same to the letter !

All six FA retained the same Statute and Regulations, which they all inherited from their once common organization "FSJ", or as it was called Ex-Yugoslav FA, and only those changes which FIFA/UEFA specifically initiated and ordered since then are today in place in every of these organizations, respectively.

Those of you who are able to read Serbo-Croatian should visit following links and find and read specific articles, regarding this issue, in documents given in pdf. You will notice that all these leagues are based on the same Statute and regulations, almost identical in language and formulations - which, basically, brings us to the following dilemma: are these leagues, all six of them, all professional leagues or not, and if one of them is "voted" here in discussion as "not-so-professional", then non of them is !


 * Croatia
 * Bosnia
 * Serbia
 * Serbia
 * Montenegro--Santasa99 (talk) 01:37, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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