User talk:Sapperjack

June 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to Mary Rose appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this. Thank you. Old Moonraker (talk) 08:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Just the facts": we can source the participation of the RE Diving School, led by Capt John C Brannam, in It's also in the books about the lift by Alexander McKee and Mary Rule, both stronger sources than the mass-market US monthly. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see the differences of opinion continue. As far as I can see you are right to remove "RE divers had to be pulled out", etc, because it doesn't have a WP:RS, which is an absolute requirement if the material is in dispute. Two problems, though: lack of an edit summary, to explain your reasoning. If there isn't enough space there, finish with "more in talk", and continue on the talk page. The second issue is what you replace the material with. I described this as WP:PEA, which is a bit cryptic, but the import bit in the link is "use facts and attribution to demonstrate that importance"; don't write that your chaps "largely contributed" to the lift, or that the project "could not have succeeded without the contribution of the Royal Engineers". Instead describe what they did, backed up by references, and readers can see for themselves how their part made the difference.


 * There's a lot to consider, so don't be discouraged. One way would be to put it together in your sandbox (click the red link to make one), check off the points, then launch it (sorry!) into the article. Good luck and, above all, stick with it. Don't let grumpy editors get you down! --Old Moonraker (talk) 18:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)