User talk:Saqib

A 2018 edit
A long, long time ago, on Mian Tahir Pervaz, you added  It links to an article titled Dhoni’s cricket brain crucial for India at World Cup. I don't see any mention of Pervaz or politics. Did thenews.com change their numbering scheme? No hits from Googling "List of winners of Punjab Assembly seats" for thenews.com.pk. The URL has not been archived on the Wayback Machine. Should the citation simply be deleted.

Citation [3]: PML-N MPA, sons named in FIR over sexually abusing minor domestic help appears to have Pervaz' photo, but does not mention him by name. Should that citation be removed?

BTW: There is also an article Muhammad Tahir Pervaiz, which has a recent AKA as Mian Tahir Pervaz. Should the two be merged? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It's indeed strange that The News story seems to have been deleted, especially considering it wasn't controversial in any way. Perhaps they changed the URLs, as I've noticed similar occurrences recently. It's also concerning that the Wayback Machine didn't archive the page. Anyways, I've replaced the reference for verification for now. Regarding the third reference, it did mention the subject in the second paragraph. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 18:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking care of that! News sites often remove articles after a limited time. Some have their own archives, others do not. One has to make a request for the Wayback Machine to archive. Also, litigation has forced the Wayback Machine not to archive some websites.
 * What is with with that teapot? Someone requested deletion. The editor uploaded two images with that teapot. Editor's uploads The image is also the Simple English Wiki: Mian Tahir Pervaz and Mian Tahir Jameel. If you understand why it's vandalism, you might chime in on the nomination pages: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Abid Sher Ali.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mian Tahir Jameel.jpg. I just assumed it was some sort of logo or something. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 11:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not a logo or a teapot, but rather a "LOOTA" which is used in toilets in South Asia. Its depiction in this context could be seen as vandalism or even libelous. In Pakistan, "loota" refer to lawmakers who frequently change political parties. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 11:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see: Lota (vessel). Thanks! Adakiko (talk) 11:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

A candidate of XXXX?
Seems like all your creations have the same copy-paste error, please slow down and improve your creations. Fram (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No need to worry. I've fixed all of them. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 17:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems as though you created the articles in a hurry this time around and did not take great care in finding the existing articles for MPs. I have so far found duplicate articles for three Sindh Assembly members among the articles which you created recently. Did you use some kind of automated method to create articles in bulk as there are multiple articles created in a single minute? Sheriff &#124; ☎ 911 &#124; 04:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I wish there were an automated tool for this, but unfortunately, I had to search manually for each lawmaker to see if they already had a WP BLP. If no results came up, I created one. Mistakes can happen, especially with spelling variations in lawmakers' names. I saved most of the pages in one go, which might give the impression of using an automated tool. Out of the over 250 BLPs I created recently, you've only found a couple that already existed, demonstrating that I did conduct thorough Google searches. The main issue isn't creating single-line BLPs, stubs will grow over time, as they did back in 2018. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 07:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * BTW, which assembly had the most duplicate BLPs that you found? I'd like to review them and see where things went wrong. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 07:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I only checked Sindh Assembly so far and that too just a fraction. Sheriff &#124; ☎ 911 &#124; 21:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK it appears that most of the duplication issues were in BLPs related to Karachi MPAs. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 08:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not get to BLP articles other than the Karachi ones yet so it is hard to conclude that. <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 10:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Notice for Invalid Deletion Request & Conflict Resolution
Dear Saqib,

I hope you doing well,

It has been observed that you have been nominating my articles for invalid deletion, brother I would like to clarify whats the matter as you have nominated invalid article delectation, I told you earlier as well, lets work together to improve WP:Pakistan as team as others are working why you dont understand? lets talk and solve our matters as you are not reading articles and nominating for deleting and instead of adding citations or improvement request you are just adding invalid deleting invalid templates, lets work together and improve for betterment of Wikipedia and those article which you feel require improvement we can improve them as I always take my all articles as responsibility and its our responsibility to improve articles.

I will also help to improve your articles by adding citations which I already did in past, but you always act negatively which count under WP:NPA policy.

Let me know, if we can be friends, and wish you Happy HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN  & LAIL UL QADIR

JAZAKALLAH Faizan Munawar Varyachat<sub   style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> contributions 21:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is quite amusing. On one hand, you're falsely accusing me of personal attacks and requesting a ban on me, while on the other hand, you're seeking friendship with me. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 21:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib I am not falsely accusing you for anything, did you read my articles? instead of improving it you just ask for deletion and you also went to my created articles and kept doing the same, so it does cover under WP:NPA policy which you did break, you need to work on your behavior, I did visit your contribution history, you didnt make any significant change in improving wikipedia you just projected negativity instead of contributing on main pages you like to write on peoples talk pages, and try to increase your edit count which is again a breaking of Wikipedia editing policy WP:EP.
 * I report you because your action is totally biased, false and invalid and ask for friendship because we are here to improve Wikipedia as I said I can improve your articles not issues, if I want I can also nominate your article for deleting but I am not like that, I love to help and assist people as much as I can.
 * And As its Ramadan going on we can respect each other and learn from each other, if still you will keep breaking polices so unfortunately I need to keep the reporting against you if you think you can change and truly want to improve wikipedia so we can work together and improve Wp:pakistan and other projects.
 * I am working on many sideline projects with Wikimedia foundation in UK so I can add you in those as well but you need to change your attitude towards people and be nice with them.
 * I hope to end with a positive note again, lets join hands and work together. Happy Ramadan :) Faizan Munawar Varyachat<sub   style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> contributions 23:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in your offers if it means turning a blind eye to the violations you commit on BLPs. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 13:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It does not mean anything @saqib you are ignoring the positive gesture of helping and contribution for Wikipedia together as team. I do not appreciate any violations if there is any issue you are welcome to highlight but reporting something which is invalid that would be not appreciated. Cheers man Faizan Munawar Varyachat<sub   style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> contributions 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

2nd Notice for Invalid deletion request
Hi Dear Saqib, You have nominated Rana Muhammad Akram Khan for deletion for the reason that there is no reference that is directly about him but it was pointed out there. Apparently, you seem to nominate articles for deletions not on basis of any solid ground but rather out of your confusion, Please remember that successive deletion nominations go against wikipedia's policy as it can discourage potential editors. kind regards. DavidSchop (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The nomination for deletion of the BLP of Rana Muhammad Akram Khan makes complete sense as he does not warrant a WP entry at this time. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 18:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is a circular or Begging the question argument. please get a life. DavidSchop (talk) 18:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy notice
Hi Saqib. I have blanked and redirected Sarah Ahmad (Pakistani politician) to Sarah Ahmad as it had more content! I thought I'd let you know. Cheers Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK no issue but Sarah Ahmad contained OR. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 10:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Noam Bettan
Hello, could you help me give a linguistic cleaning to the Noam Bettan article? --Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not something I'm interested in. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 20:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If it is not of interest to you, why do I think about the deletion. If you didn't like the article or us in general, you didn't have to do it. Well, thank you, it made everything worse.--Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "us"? Just to let you know, I've many good Israeli friends. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 20:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak!
<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 14:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Eid Mubarak to you too! --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 14:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfair advantage because of Jimmy
Hey, I perceive that you might have an unfair advantage on ANI and other noticeboards because of your photo with Jimmy Wales, possibly due to editors' respect for the Wikipedia founder. You're entitled to manage your user page as you see fit, but I want to express my observation that simply meeting Jimmy at a conference and taking a photo with him doesn't necessarily mean you're close friends with him. Likewise, it doesn't diminish the contributions of editors who haven't had the opportunity to meet him. I've noticed that during conflicts or controversial editing situations (15:30, 19 March 2024), you sometimes restore his picture (22:10, 19 March 2024), perhaps as a symbolic gesture to gain support. It's worth mentioning that others are aware of this as well. <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 16:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Your message caught me off guard. I never implied that I was a friend of Jimmy, did I? I simply met him at a Wikimania conference and thought it would be nice to have a photo with him on my user page. I'm surprised or rather disappointed by your suggestion that having a photo with Jimmy could confer some sort of influence or unfair advantage to me here. I must say that your focus on me rather than on the articles is concerning. I encourage you to redirect your energy towards constructive collaboration and improvement of WP articles. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 16:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Woah. This comment is ripe for analysis. Zanahary (talk) 03:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't respond to very old threads. It is annoying and wastes our time.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  23:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Whose time? Zanahary (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At a minimum, Saqib's, since they keep getting notifications every time one of these pointless comments are made.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  00:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're making it worseeeeeee 😭 Zanahary (talk) 00:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Zanahary, Feel free to give it a shot, please!<span id="Saqib:1717487319264:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 07:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Adil Raja's Draft Page
Hell Saqib. I worked on Draft:Adil Raja. You said it should "meet any of the eight academic-specific criteria" or "cite multiple reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth". Firstly, why does it need to meet an academic specific criteria? I never mentioned that he was linked with education. He's a journalist. Additionally, I cited 66 different news about him. I worked really hard on the article and kept it as neutral as possible. Please tell me what I can do to get it accepted. Thank you so much bro!

WarriorYt43 (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * IMO the BLP still fails to meet WP:N. The page relies on some unreliable sources, lacks a NPOV, and promotional in nature. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 17:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How is it not neutral and how is it promotional? I tried to make it the best to my ability. I still don't know why you're saying fails to meet WP:N. How's it not notable? There's more news on Adil Raja as of today. Please help me so I can actually get this published. Quote any biased sentences from my draft. You should accept the draft so others can assist me in making it better. Thank you WarriorYt43 (talk) 17:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK allow me to cleanup the page first. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 18:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure. Thank you so much bro! WarriorYt43 (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Should I re-submit the draft now? WarriorYt43 (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not yet. Thus far, I've only removed unacceptable sources. However, the content previously cited by those unacceptable sources remains and needs to be addressed as well. It's not advisable to resubmit it in its current state. I'm also occupied with other tasks, so it will take some time. If you're able, please review each line and remove any material that could be considered WP:OR. --— Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 09:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it's better for you to do it because I'm not that experienced. Take your time. Thank you! WarriorYt43 (talk) 11:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Saqib. Just a reminder, do you mind fixing up Draft:Adil Raja? Update me when it's fixed so I can resubmit the draft. Thank you so much bro WarriorYt43 (talk) 09:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As you can see, I'm still occupied with other important tasks. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 08:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem. Just didn't want you to forget about it WarriorYt43 (talk) 15:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Imaan Zainab Mazari for deletion
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Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at WP:AN regarding violation of Wikipedia WP:HA policy and harassing other wikipedians. The thread is thread name of the discussion. The discussion is about the topic Reporting User Saqib for harassing other Users. Thank you. — Faizan Munawar Varyachat<sub   style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> contributions 01:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry
We need to talk on this topic brother. Can you hand over the ownership to this page? Stardust512 (talk) 20:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * But I'm not owner of this BLP. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 21:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay i want to know who is owner and how to contact him? Stardust512 (talk) 21:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No one really 'owns' WP pages. Anyone, even you, can edit them. But if something's backed up by WP:RS, it's gotta stay put. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 21:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay i understand WP:RS what if i just simply put info on my web and then reference it in any article. Person is being maligned on wiki platform. You need to consider my request or else what options i have? Stardust512 (talk) 21:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please remove Family background. I will provide authentic information about him or i will edit it my self. I need protection for this article to protect it from vandalism. Stardust512 (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP operates on the basis of well-sourced information, so you can't just dismiss it as vandalism when it's properly cited. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 21:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So what is the mechanism to verify the well sourced and being properly cited information being authentic? Stardust512 (talk) 21:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Starkex is the owner please help me reach him outside wiki as he is not replying on talk page. Stardust512 (talk) 21:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 Pakistani general election
Hi Saqib. I think this edit was against consensus. If we want to add prime ministerial candidates then we should replace Nawaz Sharif with Shehbaz Sharif who actually became the prime minister. Also, can you remove Indian web editor's gossip coverage about Shehbaz_Sharif marriages? Inclusion of Nilofar Khosa and Syeda Kulsume Hai violates WP:BLPPRIVACY. 103.170.139.225 (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Haji Muhammad Bashir's Draft Page
Dear Mr. Saqib,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to express my disagreement with the recent decline of my Wikipedia article submission Draft:Haji_Muhammad_Bashir, citing insufficient reference coverage.

I respectfully submit that the references provided, particularly the articles from reputable sources such as Cricket World and Express Tribune, offer comprehensive coverage of the subject's life. For instance, the article from Cricket World, available at "https://www.cricketworld.com/heart-and-soil-of-pakistan-cricket/67304.htm", is a complete biography of Mr. Bashir and provides a thorough overview of their contributions. Additionally, the piece from Express Tribune, accessible via "https://tribune.com.pk/story/890296/the-gaddafi-and-the-man-behind-it", offers further insight into their significance, published by a prominent newspaper in Pakistan.

Furthermore, I have ensured that the other references included in my submission contain substantial information relevant to the subject matter. It is notable that I have observed several Wikipedia articles lacking references altogether, exemplified by the page "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agha_Zahid". In comparison, my article is meticulously referenced and offers a more comprehensive overview.

Given these considerations, I kindly request your assistance in reconsidering the publication of my article or providing guidance on how to meet the necessary criteria for acceptance.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your response and guidance.

Sincerely, M.Mahmood256 (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see enough solid coverage in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. This news story is fine but that alone isn't sufficient. Also, there're unreliable sources cited in the bio that need to be removed. Without some revisions, I can't approve it. I'm here to help though. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 21:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It has further news stories from other reputable channels that offer similar coverage to the mentioned news story. Additionally, I firmly believe that the article from Express Tribune and the pieces from CricketWorld provide substantive coverage of the subject's biography.
 * I would appreciate if you can make the necessary revisions to ensure compliance with Wikipedia's standards by removing any unreliable sources you identify to enhance the article's credibility and reliability. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 21:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * First off, please remove the WP:OR from the bio. I've noticed that some content cited references that aren't actually in those sources. Once you've cleaned up the WP:OR, I'll take another look. Also, I've already taken out some unreliable references. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * I've cleaned up some things, can you please take another look if it's all ready. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * M.Mahmood256, The bio still contains WP:OR. For example, I'm unable to find citation for He was married and had two sons, three daughters, and nineteen grandchildren. Like I said before, please remove original research.<span id="Saqib:1715949198566:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * All this information is written in the CricketWorld story, including details about his date of birth, his children and family. The writer has mentioned that the information he mentioned in his story is provided by his sons and Pakistan Cricket board officials.
 * I believe this story is a reliable citation. But if you still think that it is not enough, then you can also remove this lines related to his family and there would not be any impact on the subject's bio. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 21:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * M.Mahmood256, You haven't been active on WP since 11 May, so how do you know I posted this message today?<span id="Saqib:1715984078600:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 22:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have linked my email id and I receive updates on my email address. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 22:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Nauman335
Once these are closed, I know CUs frown upon adding more. Maybe start a new SPI under the same name. Just FYI. CNMall41 (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

1984,1980 coups
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakat, brother I've seen that you've added more citations and original research tags to these two articles I created (I also created 1974 one but I haven't fixed it yet), so I invite you to check them again, I am a bit busy on other articles so although I've more citations I haven't added them all. I think this many citations are enough. If not you can just ping me to inform. I'll add more. I've therefore removed the tags on those articles because I think the problems are resolved. May Allah bless you with a happy day. Waleed (talk) 00:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding more citations. It looks okay to me, but I was hoping for a bit more. I hope you continue to improve the page. It was quite interesting, BTW. Thanks for your contributions! — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 07:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added some sources from newspapers, but currently I'm researching about the particular battles of Siachen conflict. I would add more sources in coup articles. Waleed  (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I was just going over some of the pages you made & I noticed they could use some more sources. Plus, there's a bit of WP:OR going on in there which you want to avoid. Another editor raised similar concerns too. When we're talking about historical stuff, it's important to make sure we've got solid sources backing up every bit of info we put in there. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * First Baloch conflict, I added 4 books and 1 academic source then I removed the tag Waleed  (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I might give it a look later on. Meanwhile please ensure that relevant WikiProject templates such as Template:WikiProject Pakistan are added to the article's talk page. Additionally, please keep in mind that not every event merits a WP page, only those that meet WP:NEVENTS should be considered. Happy editing! — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 14:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It was a whole conflict and I make articles only for those events which are notable (have more than 50 deaths and have had a significant effect. Like all the 3 Baloch conflicts are highly notable, similar is the case with the coup attempts, accidental Soviet infiltrations and conflicts in dir. There are some low level mutinies and conflicts like that but aren't notable so I didn't create articles for them. The conflicts which I thought needed articles for Pakistan, I've made all of em (I may find some more in the future). And moreover the Second Baloch conflict I've removed the tag after giving 7 more book sources. Waleed  (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib assalamualaikum brother and good morning, I've added like 7 sources each for both second and third Balochistan conflict and then removed the tags, I've added 2 sources for 1976 dir rebellion but I know it needs more so I didn't remove the tag there Waleed  (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Response to Feedback: Al Islah Center's Notability and Article Revision Proposal
Dear Saqib, Thank you for reviewing our submission for the Al Islah Center. We appreciate your feedback and understand the importance of ensuring that Wikipedia articles meet the necessary criteria for verifiability and neutrality. We believe that the Al Islah Center is indeed a notable organization, and we are committed to providing the required references to demonstrate its significance. We will ensure that these references are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent of the subject, as per Wikipedia's guidelines. Additionally, we acknowledge your concern regarding the tone of the submission and its resemblance to an advertisement. We will take this into account and strive to rewrite the article from a neutral point of view, referring to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. If you are open to collaboration, we would welcome the opportunity to work with you to revise and improve the article together. Please let us know if you are willing to provide guidance and support in this process. Thank you for your time and consideration. Mehdiaic (talk) 07:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I might not be able to contribute to this page since I'm busy with other priorities, like patrolling new pages, which is quite demanding. However, I'm happy to provide guidance on how to improve the article. Firstly, you've to remove any content that sounds like advertisement. Next, you should replace references linked with the organization with ones that meet the criteria outlined in WP:RS. Once those steps are done, I'll take another look. As it stands, the current version of the article won't get my approval. — Saqib  ( talk  |  contribs ) 07:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Saqib, for your guidance on improving the article. I completely understand that you're occupied with patrolling new pages and appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback. I'll work on removing any promotional content and replacing references with more reliable sources as per the WP:RS criteria. Once these adjustments are made, I'll be sure to let you know for further review. Your input is invaluable in maintaining the quality and integrity of Wikipedia articles. Mehdiaic (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Request on 07:44:39, 7 May 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by 41.78.193.38
41.78.193.38 (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
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May 2024
Hello Saqib. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Waqar Zaka, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
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Notice of Harassment
Dear Saqib,

Please feel free to explain your actions on the Admin Noticeboard. Thanks!

Aanuarif (talk) 12:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, got it, another notice. How many do I have to defend BTW? And please make sure to place notices properly. It keeps things neat and my tp won't look this messy. --— Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I cannot comment on how many you need to contest or defend. No one likes contesting notices and I feel for you for being in this position. I only have this one going on with you and rightfully so. Aanuarif (talk) 12:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey!!
If you are getting stressed out, you should take a break. You don't have to respond to everything. You can wait for an admin or uninvolved editors to ask you something and answer only that. I just started looking a bit, to try and see if I can find anything actionable, and the first diff of note so far was yours, sorry to say. Just don't do this. It undermines your point and shifts focus toward your conduct rather than others'. If you find yourself about to publish something like that again, stop, take a break, come back and publish when you can bring yourself to write something inocuous like "signing unsigned".I'll let you know if I find something. Best,<span id="Usedtobecool:1715313642637:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't need a break. I'm not as down as those UPEs who are flooding in to attack me. As a human, it's normal to get annoyed when you're repeatedly attacked in just one week by different UPEs. But I'm learning how to deal with these folks, so I'll be more careful with my words from now on. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 08:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

AfD some articles
One thing that might be good for you to do is to nominate some of the sock created (or heavily edited) articles for deletion and check the accounts involved for socking. That might draw out the sockfarm and help thin its herd and help us identify the scope and methods of this sock. I've already found two possible socks just by looking around. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Allan Nonymous, I've already nominated some pages for deletion and UPEs like Libraa2019 have already voted to keep. You can check it out: WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan.<span id="Saqib:1715353119899:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 14:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd open an SPI on a lot of the keep voters here. This seems to be the farm in question. Already opened one on the person in question (who seems to be one of their article creators). Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Allan Nonymous, Thanks - but they're voting to keep AfDs using IPs, too. One of them is blocked, but some are unblocked and their editing behavior is exactly the same. I'm concerned that the closing admins might just close the AfDs based on non-consensus.<span id="Saqib:1715353585970:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Remember, AfD is not a vote, so if a UPE is pushing, it can be ignored without affecting consensus. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Allan Nonymous, I know AfD isn't a vote, but I've seen some closed the AfDs when there are many "keep" comments, even without proper rationales. But I don't blame the admins. They just err on the side of caution and close based on non-consensus.<span id="Saqib:1715353969679:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd advise you put a comment at the bottom "for closing admins" notifying them of the Nauman335 UPE farm efforts that may have influenced AfD on these articles and additionally, tag certain accounts as SPAs. That can help inform them and give them cause to ignore the socking. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Allan Nonymous, Your suggestion backfired on me on various AfDs. Articles for deletion/Hasan Khan (actor), Articles for deletion/Kehkashan Awan (2nd nomination) and Articles for deletion/Anumta Qureshi (2nd nomination).<span id="Saqib:1715774149879:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I was suggesting you mention the sock concerns (i.e. "aggressive UPE farms have played a major in this article"). If you mention a specific editor who hasn't been conclusively identified as a sock, that's a pretty clear case WP:ASPERSIONS (even if they may still be a possible sock). Sorry that wasn't clear. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing logged out
Hello, I noticed that you may have recently made edits to 103.151.0.166 while logged out. Please be mindful not to perform controversial edits while logged out, or your account risks being blocked from editing. Please consider reading up on Wikipedia's policy on multiple accounts before editing further. Additionally, making edits while logged out reveals your IP address, which may allow others to determine your location and identity. If this was not your intention, please remember to log in when editing. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Saqib,
 * I realize that you have been provoked by some IP editors recently but this editor appeared to support several of your AFD nominations and I want to make sure you are not editing logged out. Thank you for your response. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Liz, Come on, Liz, seriously? This needs a thorough investigation. I assure you, it wasn't me. I'm not foolish enough to edit or even support my own AfDs using IPs. Please feel free to struck them down. I don't care about those votes! So now, if any IP votes "keep" on my AfD nomination, you'll automatically think it's me? I guess I'm done then.<span id="Saqib:1715383641363:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 23:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Check out my remarks when an IP voted "keep" on my AfD nomination. Feel free to strike it down, too. I already have a STRONG opinion that IPs shouldn't be even allowed to participate in AfDs, in the first place. However, I seriously suggest you getting a CU done on me and/or remove this warning from my tp because it wasn't me. And Thank god, IPs didn't vote "keep" on a AfD where I almost lost the case.<span id="Saqib:1715384906324:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 23:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Look what I found for you. Now do the math and figure it out yourself.<span id="Saqib:1715385791452:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 00:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

SPI and other stuff
Hey Saqib, I get where you are coming from but in this particular scenario where the suspected editor has already been part of other SPIs along the current one yet they have not been confirmed with one CU explicitly stating there is no evidence they are using multiple accounts, I think it's best not to bring it up and UPE has not been confirmed either. Going around and spreading they are suspected might be a legitimate cause for WP:HARASSMENT or WP:NPA. Haven't you had enough AN/ANI/COIN/Admin talk page complaints lol? WP:LOUT is confirmed so that's fair to point out. I guess treat it like you would a Wikipedia article...no source means no mention. On other note, what you do think about putting to together a Pakistan source guide in your User space? At some point I think getting some them in font of WP:RSN is needed so they get added to the citation highlighters used by NPP and others (ex. User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter which should install if you haven't already). Lastly, thanks your note about my COIN comment as it's never my desire fuel the flames. S0091 (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, Got it, I'll try my best to avoid calling them socks, but I did mention they are suspected, and one of them very much suspected UPE, at least - though of course, we don't have evidence of that either. Thanks for the heads-up though. And sure, I'll definitely create a guide at some point to outline wihch Pakistani sources can be considered RS and which cannot. It's definitely needed moving forward.<span id="Saqib:1715453897848:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Playing wack-a-mole with socks is probably loosing strategy or at the very least a time consuming one. A the of the day the main issue, as I understand it, is they are creating non-notable drafts/articles based on non-WP:RS.  The best way to combat it is to ensure the community knows a source is not WP:RS so no matter who uses it, UPE/sock or an AGF editor, those sources will not be considered when trying to assess notability (or WP:V for that matter) by NPP or AfC.  As you know, sources like Galaxy Lollywood which is a blog should not be used at all but it's not documented.  S0091 (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, You made a good point and I've taken note of it. Suggestions like these will definitely help me moving forward.<span id="Saqib:1715455820953:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I sent an email
Hi Saqib. I sent an email. I added message on talk to notify you. Thanks Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Knightknight12345, I hope you don't mind, but I'm not really interested right now. Got some other important stuff to take care of.<span id="Saqib:1715456293032:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for responding. Can you recommend someone else to me?If you don't mind.Thanks. Knightknight12345 (talk) 21:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Knightknight12345, NO.<span id="Saqib:1715625376772:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ok. I no longer need help anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * why such a hard reply? My comment is days old anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't even nag you or ask you to reply. just asked a question. I don't need help now anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * t Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from socking. It's a good advice. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ok. I retired/deleted the account Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * i didn't even nag you or ask for a reply. My comment is days old. I just asked a question. I don't need help now anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Tribes of Pakistan stub articles
@Saqib Hi,

You seem to have opened multiple fronts at one go and one of the front seem to be stubs relating to Tribes of Pakistan articles. I broadly do share your concern but have suggested different treatment at Articles for deletion/Abro (tribe).

Though I am not hard and fast about my suggestion but suppose you can give it a consideration. Happy editing. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 06:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bookku, You're right. It definitely needs a discussion, but I'm afraid I won't be able to initiate it since I'm occupied elsewhere. BTW, what do you mean by "I opened multiple fronts at once"?<span id="Saqib:1715773535464:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 'Brief: I intend no negative sense in 'multiple fronts'.
 * Well deletion sorting pages are on my watch list and usually once in a while summary comes to my notice that's how I reached Articles for deletion/Abro (tribe) and took a look into it. By the time I typed my comment another user commented that you have listed few more in the same series and responding at every place was not suitable so came to your talk page then realized you are working on multiple more deletions in some other topic areas too. At personal level I was afraid you will be able to spare time for my message or not. To have your reasonable attention I used term 'multiple fronts' since at personal level generally I would find it difficult for myself to attend to discussions at many pages at the same time.
 * Any ways wish you all the best in your endeavors and happy editing. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 12:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy editing to you, too. Thanks for stopping by! — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

1984 Afghan Cross-Border Raid on Pakistan
My every source talks about the battle why did you reject my page read the sources before rejecting something 2001:8003:3F18:1C00:FD70:C528:B568:A87F (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Flagging and deleting
Hi. I'm trying to use Wikipedia for the first time and it's hella overwhelming. I'm trying to figure it out and fix things as per the rules. Meanwhile, can you please cut me the slack for a day so l can atleast figure it out before l see the content vanished. Thanks! The0bvioustruth (talk) 17:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The0bvioustruth, Sure, please clean up the WP:OR and PROMO before I decide to take it down. It's a violation of BLP policy.<span id="Saqib:1715710664558:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of information on page Maha Ali Kazmi
Hi Saqib i don't understand why you would delete the information about cover song sahibo and information about the artist's kathak dance training that has proper news citation. Can you explain the logic behind it? Also the information about kathak dance training received by the artist was cited with proper news reference. As you have taken so much trouble in editing and fixing this page can you add those details back if you are as fair as you claim to be? Also the section I added about controversy was neutral and not even praising but rather shedding a balanced detached view of social media reaction. there are 100s of articles and news details supporting my findings. Also please kindly clarify your how your edits and revisions are more neutral now that you have removed something that is all over the internet and supported by several news publications online and social media findings. you can google the artist and there are several articles about the controversy that are clearly not paid. As for notability no pakistani artist can pay gulf times or times of india or any indian news publication to write about them as paid promotion. This artist was viral in india in 2013 when Times of India wrote about her. India today wrote about her "Maha Ali Kazmi, a 25-year-old Pakistani of Kashmiri descent is making waves with her pop-rock single, across the border in Karachi". Kashmire Life: "Maha Ali Kazmi, a young girl hailing from Kashmir presently living in Karachi, Pakistan, has released her first pop-rock single in Karachi. Her first single Nazar has become an instant hit. The music video received rave reviews over the internet and is being liked by people from both sides of the border. The singer has become an overnight celebrity." and The economic times inida "the song went viral and she became an overnight sensation". All the news online shows this artist is notable contrary to your claims.

I would also like to bring to your knowledge that although wikipedia is a very reputable platform however from scholarly standards information on wikipedia added by contributors like yourself are not even eligible as reliable sources. Universities particularly discourage students from citing any wikipedia references. I think you give yourself too much undue importance as the role you play as a contributor. Atleast the topics have some form of achievement supported by news publications unlike yourself. However i commend you for you time and effort on wasting so much energy on topics you deem to be not notable and unworthy of being on wikipedia. even if you delete these so called unworthy articles it would it would be on no consequence to these topics. Thank you. P.S it seems all other contributors, save yourself, are paid promoters with hidden agendas and close relations to topics they have contributed to. Aditiroykapoor (talk) 21:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , regardless of what your opinions are shouldn't be trying to alter Saqib's userpage to prove a point. Pahunkat (talk) 21:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ''You did nothing wrong, just a courtesy heads up because you are mentioned. The section is: User:Lkomdis.''  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  03:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * TheTechie, Thanks but I'm sure they'll be back soon under a new sleeper account.<span id="Saqib:1715773878599:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I know, it was just a courtesy.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Draftification mistake?
Hey Saqib, I'm reaching out because of your draftification of Draft:Gorsi (I processed the R2 request for the redirect left behind). The states Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace. Reason/s: no sources. It looks like you made a mistake considering there are 14 sources on the article. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey man im josh, The issue isn't that it lacks references; the issue is that I don't think it meets WP:N. I made a mistake—the reason should have been WP:N, not a lack of sources.<span id="Saqib:1715773707250:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like you also made this mistake twice on May 7 as well at and . It's important that you provide an accurate rationale when draftifying an article, as all 3 of these (3 out of 18 in your draftify log) used the same move summary of no sources and had all had a number of them at the time. I also noticed that you aren't notifying users every time when a page is draftified. Please make sure to do so, per WP:DRAFTNOTIFY. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey man im josh, Okay, it looks like I selected NN when draftifying or declining drafts, but somehow V got chosen. I'll be more careful next time. If the references are there, why would I deliberately choose V?<span id="Saqib:1715774488094:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it, we all make mistakes. If the references are there, why would I deliberately choose V? – That's why I've been calling it a mistake instead of some deliberate malicious action :) Hey man im josh (talk) 12:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey man im josh, Thanks for pointing that out,<span id="Saqib:1715775306309:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've figured out the issue. The default setting is "It has no sources," which is why the incorrect reason is being added, repeatedly.<span id="Saqib:1715869920547:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 14:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Sameeerrr
I think it is fair to assume any 'new' editor and IPs are likely socks given the history around the Pakistan entertainment industry articles. Sameerrr in particular was very clearly a sock. Did you see their last note on their talk page? I mean, really?? The reason I engaged with Sameerrr and a couple IPs is because if they can present any good sources, I'm open to entertaining them until socking/UPE is confirmed. The same for BeauSuzanne. I get where you coming from but I strongly suggest stop making disparaging remarks about them. AfDs should focus on the sources and notability criteria. Anything else is a distraction from what the core discussion should be about unless there is confirmation and even then if an article meets N, it may be kept. S0091 (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, Wait, what disparaging remarks did I make?<span id="Saqib:1716058582430:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You keep bringing up a "dubious editing history" (ex. WP:Articles for deletion/Hiba Ali Khan, link does not take you to the discussion which is at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive361). The only thing that has been confirmed is WP:LOUT (per Drmies The OR issues aside, I can confirm that there is no technical connection that I see that links the editor to a sock master. What I will say, BeauSuzanne, is that you should really stop editing while logged out, esp. if it involves collusion.) but neither the OR or LOUT has anything to do with whether their articles meet N.  However, if an IP pops in an AfD then that's cause to mention it.  S0091 (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, But that comment was made on 30 April and I've since stopped making such remarks after an admin advised me to avoid them.<span id="Saqib:1716059990505:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And by the way, which last note from Sameeerrr are you referring to?<span id="Saqib:1716060102801:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. Apologies, I didn't realize you had already stopped because quite a few AfDs are still open so was going by what I saw.  For Sameerrr, this comment after their unblock request was declined.  S0091 (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, So, yes, Sameeerrr was confident they wouldn't get caught. The same goes for other suspected socks—they're technically avoiding detection.<span id="Saqib:1716060921046:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, most of them are doing a poor job of it. If your going to sock, don't dive into the same areas and go on about about the history of other socks or editors.  S0091 (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, Right and I'm not bothered by folks having multiple accounts here. But when they start trying to manipulate things by getting involved in AfDs and consistently voting with illogical arguments, all in the hope of closing down AfDs with no consensus, that really gets on my nerves and that's when I feel like I need to report them to SPI.<span id="Saqib:1716061510235:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Poppay Ki Wedding
A page with full referenced and reliable sources with the IMDb link, why you move the the Article from Main Space to Draft. I didn't think that you did it right. As I'm a auto confirmed user, i have right to move draft to the main Space. One thing more i noticed that you are on a mission on deleting or nominating for deleting the Pages related to Pakistani Entertainment. What you want to do ? Zoramid (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Zoramid, Hang on a sec! You’ve only been on WP for just 03 days, right? How come you know that I'm on a mission on deleting or nominating for deleting the Pages related to Pakistani Entertainment.? Just curious!<span id="Saqib:1716063983472:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 20:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When i Create my account and noticed on the Pakistani Entertainment related articles. Zoramid (talk) 20:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Zoramid, You can't just move a draft to main namespace like that; it might be seen as disruptive editing. The article doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG.<span id="Saqib:1716064290431:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 20:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

AFDs
Hello, Saqib,

I have a request to make: Please slow down with posting AFD nominations. I notice you recently posting dozens of nominations on the same day. This is just not fair to the limited number of discussion participants we have evaluating articles and sources right now at AFD. You might know the subject area of these articles very well but this is not true for other editors on the project. Looking for sources can take hours for one article and multiply that by two dozen additional articles and our very capable AFD participants just can't keep up with the number of AFDs you are posting over a short period of time.

What will likely happen is that there will be low or no participation on the majority of these AFD discussions and so they will just be relisted several times until they are closed as Soft Deletions. Most of these articles are just poorly sourced and so there is no urgency for them to be all proposed for deletion on the same day so maybe limit yourself to nominating 5 articles at AFD/day.

I realize that it just takes a few minutes for you to tag an article and create a discussion page but please consider the workload on our ever decreasing number of experienced AFD discussion participants and don't overload them with dozens of nominations. If these article are truly subpar, they will end up being deleted tomorrow, next week, next month or next year. But they don't all need to be considered for deletion at the same time unless there is problematic content like copyright or BLP-violating content or other types of articles that violate Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I appreciate your work ethic, just consider how much time and effort goes into considering one AFD and pace yourself. Thank you for considering my suggestion. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Liz, Alright Liz, I'll hold off on any more nominations for deletion for now, at least until the current ones are sorted out. BTW, there's this one AfD that's getting bombarded with delete votes, and some of them seem to be coming from sleeper accounts.<span id="Saqib:1716285537513:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 09:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

- I totally forgot I promised not to nominate any more pages for deletion until the community have sorted out the current ones. My bad! --— Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 21:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Respected admin Liz, please notice Saqib's behaviour, at first he nominated all of the BLP's i created and now when the article was kept then he goes on to tell admin to change the decision . He is continuously asking me to provide reliable sources and when i provide sources from The Express Tribune and other authentic sources then claim them dubious. Please check my history, i am unable to convince him despite many editors have acknowledge my work [, , , , and he is contineously labelling me UPE on multiple platforms. Today, he accused me of WP:OR however i just moved film section from bottom to top. Please see my talkpage regarding WP:OR. [[User:Libraa2019|Libraa2019]] (talk) 19:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, First, please stop stalking my edits, and second please stop discussing me.<span id="Saqib:1716318583023:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am discussing you because you initiated AFD's and even goes on to contest article which was kept in AFD. And you are already stalking me from day one thats why all of the articles which i created are under AFD or tagged with notability despite meeting criteria of wikipidea. I was feeling helpless therefore its the right place to tell admin. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, My AfDs are legit and you're not the only one whose articles I nominated for deletion, so don't worry about it.<span id="Saqib:1716319002218:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But you never requested admin to change the decision after AFD then why you are so much against me that you want to wash off my legit articles from wikipidea even after being kept at AFD? It feels harrased dont you feel? And today you accused me of adding WP:OR for just moving section. You want me to leave wikipidea i think? Libraa2019 (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But I'm just trying to help clean up. If you think what I'm doing isn't justified, feel free to report me to ANI. But just please stop accusing me of attacking you. I'm focused on the articles, not the editors. Also, I didn't ask to reverse the decision. I just let them know that the the closing wasn't fair, IMO. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Your statement was "considering taking this to WP:DRV" which clearly means you were opposing consensus and closure admin decision. I will surely report you at ANI after proper research and evidences. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, what Saqib was saying is he thought Doczilla's assessment of WP:consensus was incorrect which is his right to raise. I mean, have you bothered to look at WP:DRV?  Editors contest closes regularly so not a big deal.  Above that, he has not taken it DRV so your argument is moot.  Even if he did, doing so does make an an ANI complaint so you need wipe that from your line thinking. S0091 (talk) 20:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091 were these actions of Saqib justified?, , by saying this, he connected me with unknown UPE's whom he knows better but dont you think these comments are too harsh? Libraa2019 (talk) 20:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The first one he does not directly implicate you as UPE, only that he has nom'd UPE articles which is true. There's plenty of blocked UPE socks to support his statement. The second he does not mention UPE but retaliation and you have not done yourself any favors by mentioning that AfD at WP:Articles for deletion/Danial Afzal Khan. If you think you have a case, like I said, take to ANI. S0091 (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are just defending him in his wrong deeds otherwise he mentiond UPE's because he think i am connected to them. He expect others to respect his decisions everytime, like if he is voting keep then no one has right to vote delete and vice versa. Anyways i dont have grudges as it was an instant reaction and today a new day with new hopes. Libraa2019 (talk) 03:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And i noticed one thing Saqib, you clarified your stance that you are are trying to clean up, but when some one with good faith just wanted to share opinion on non notable creator then you called it retaliation. You should assume others are here to build too and in good faith not only you. I have never voted Keep in television serials which i created because earlier i was unaware of wikipidea policies and created those projects and i am not even UPE who will be affected after deletion of those. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Libraa2019 Liz generally does not pay attention to pings because she gets so many. Saqib, I suggest laying off Libraa outside of nominating articles for AfD and doing as them as a slower pace, which it sounds like you are going to do anyway. A suggestion is to mix them up by who created them so no single non-blocked editor gets overwhelmed.  Libraa, if you want to pursue a complaint, take it to ANI.  You can also request Saqib not post on you talk page outside of mandatory notifications.  If you choose that route, post on note here and on your talk page to cover the bases.  S0091 (talk) 19:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, I am not connected to anyone and don't know how to prove it. Just one thing i did is voted Keep in one article which was created by BeauSuzane but its a coincidence, otherwise i would have voted Keep in most of the AFD's by BeauSuzane or other editors. I even dont have anything to do with Green Entertainment but accused of being connected with someone who has interest in this channel. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not say or indicate you are a sock/UPE so no need to convince me and the SPI clears you of being a Nauman sock (I am paying attention to that SPI given the disruption). S0091 (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Every time I put Memon KutianaWala's pages up for deletion, their reaction remained exactly the same. Nostalgic times!<span id="Saqib:1716328033007:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 21:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now indirectly connecting me with someone else. Anyways, Saqib, the way you defended Waqar Zaka and insulted me was also shocking for me and that reaction was too much childish if you agree or not :) Libraa2019 (talk) 02:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Page moved to draftspace
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A caution
I've just read over the AfD for Waqar Zaka. Please be cautious about accusing other editors of acting in bad faith. If you believe other editors are on a vendetta, you'd better have some strong evidence to back that up, and in this case you clearly did not. Your edits created an uncivil atmosphere, and that's bad for the project. In the future, be circumspect about what you say and bear in mind that having a battleground mentality can lead you down the path to ANI. —Ganesha811 (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ganesha811, I'd like to clarify that I wasn't accusing everyone who voted to delete the BLP, just a few against whom I filed the SPI. I didn't targeted @JoelleJay and @Oblivy, who both voted to delete. I was mainly trying to counter some arguments, especially that one editor who labeled every Pakistani source (including Dawn and the Express Tribune) as unreliable and paid. One can definitely check their editing history, they weren't regulars in AfDs. Even the nominator turned out to be a sleeper account. Anyway, I did my best to save a BLP I felt shouldn't be deleted because Zaka was a WP:N figure. But unfortunately, not enough people from the wider community participated, and the page got deleted based on those deletion votes. But I'm cool with whatever call the closing admin made.<span id="Saqib:1716490342028:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Someone doesn't have to be a regular at AfD to participate at AfD. As long as they're not an WP:SPA or clearly malicious, they're good. I didn't mention the SPI reports - falsely accusing someone of bias is uncivil in and of itself. —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ganesha811, It's just that the nominator of this AfD filed a unfounded report against me on ANI, so I started taking this AfD emotionally. But now I realise I should've avoided that.<span id="Saqib:1716492269286:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi. I appreciate you being self-reflective about taking that AfD too personally, and thanks to @Ganesha811 for bringing this up at an appropriate time. I have three things to say which I hope you will take to heart:
 * origins aren't destiny - nominators sometimes get blocked in the middle of AfD's and those AfD's sometimes roll along. Also, just because a blocked/UPI/COI/tainted editor created an article doesn't mean the article gets to be deleted; sometimes those people had the best knowledge even if it was applied in a way we disapprove of
 * even if you weren't calling me and @JoelleJay bad faith editors or sockpuppets, that doesn't mean it was pleasant for us to participate in the AfD discussion
 * less is more. Use your energy to make policy-based arguments and don't repeat the same point over and over. I'm sure it was extremely hard to close such a long AfD. The closing admins are good at contextualizing low-experience and low-content votes, and if you need to call someone out for their conduct go to their talk page.
 * Oblivy (talk) 02:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oblivy, Your suggestions are well noted. However, the AfD process seems like a LOTTERY. For instance, we have BLPs on some ROTM actors, but not on controversial yet popular figures like Waqar Zaka.<span id="Saqib:1716622566674:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 07:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at that AfD, I think you should read and consider the WP:Bludgeon essay. Not every comment requires your response. —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft issues
hi, do you mind pointing out where you think the references are unreliable? they are all third party references, mostly from news sources. i have edited and worked on muliple wikipedia articles before in the past year and never had this issue, so it would be kind of you to point out where the issue is exactly so that i can fix it. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitsadinnit (talk • contribs)
 * Sources like Parhlo, Medium, Cutacut, Islamabad Scene, ProPakistani etc aren't considered RS and shouldn't be used on BLPs. Additionally, the BLP in question seems overly PROMO. If you have any COI, I suggest you declare them. If not, you should explain why the BLP is PROMO. --— Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 12:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about the reference issues, however, they are still news sources, only difference is that they are local, but are not prohibited. Also, I used the wikipedia page for Michael Moore as a sample for this article, it utiised a similar tone and language, which has not been characterized as promo, due to which reason I am confused about the issue here. Bitsadinnit (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bitsadinnit, Just because some websites aren't explicitly prohibited or banned doesn't imply they're suitable for use in BLPs.<span id="Saqib:1716728604865:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 13:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What about the promotional issues? All of the information about this person is available online on multiple webpages. I have mentioned I used Michael Moore as a sample and it is not considered to be in violation of any policies. Can you point out what exactly is the problem here? Thank you for your time. Bitsadinnit (talk) 13:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bitsadinnit, Well IMO the subject of this BLP seems to be excessively promoted, with citations from unreliable sources and non-independent ones like ShaFilms. Some paragraphs cite RS but the source doesn't even mention the subject, such as The Diplomat. To be frank, the BLP is overly detailed and reads like a job resume to me and also it's unclear if the subject even meets WP:N. Therefore, I suggest trimming it significantly, removing unreliable and non-independent sources, and addressing the raised issues before resubmitting it for review.<span id="Saqib:1716734594645:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 14:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I will work on the references as you have said. However, I still do not think it's fair to go about it in this manner since so many more articles like this exist already (e.g. Jawad Sharif). The purpose of BLPs is to provide an objective narration of a person's life, which will obviously include their life and career, as well as their achievements. How is a person noteworthy if we were to not discuss any of this? Please, reconsider your stance, since it makes no sense to remove his works and life from an article which is precisely about that. Thank you. Bitsadinnit (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bitsadinnit, Feel free to resubmit it for review if you think my assessment was unfair. I've no problem with someone else approving it, but I won't approve it in its current form.<span id="Saqib:1716797265979:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 08:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/182.182.0.0/17
Pinging User:Daniel Case. Hey @Daniel Case, I couldn't reach out to you on your talk. @Saqib would you please mention the unreliable sources I added? Secondly, I was blocked for WP:Disruptive Editing, did I repeat it?182.182.63.7 (talk) 20:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 182.182.63.7, theazb.com and lahoretimes.com.pk<span id="Saqib:1716841053914:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt">— Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 20:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Move
Assalamualaikum

page move of Chitral is protect please move it to Chitral (city) like Dir (city) and fix area size is 35.9km and whole district size 14850kms. thankyou. 103.19.48.98 (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Lkomdis
None of the CU requests have been responded to, what do you think we should do next? If you reply here, please ping me. Thanks<span id="TheTechie:1716953718872:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> —  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  03:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * TheTechie, Well it seems SPI is on life support, despite clear evidence of vote manipulation leading to the BLP's deletion. But no offense to admins—I understand the backlog!<span id="Saqib:1716963321473:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 06:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Bludgeoning
Saqib, you really do need to stop WP:Bludgeoning. The more back and forth between editors, the less attractive a discussion becomes to uninvolved editors. It is one of the reasons I have not participated in some of the AfDs and almost didn't at RSN. If it is putting me off, it very likely is putting off other editors as well. Make your case, then walk away at least for a couple days or so unless someone specifically asks you something. There was no need for you respond to either me or JMF at RSN or most of Thowawaways comments. All it did was fuel the flames. For AfDs, if the article has several sources you are much better off being more specific in your nom as to why those sources do not GNG or BASIC. You might consider doing a Template:Source assess table off the bat, at least for the sources that have non-trivial coverage. S0091 (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, Odd that you perceive me as the one "bludgeoning" in that discussion, and not them because you've posted this note on my tp, only. I didn't even bother replying to most of their comments, even when they tried to WP:PA me, or poke fun at what I said or just to get a reaction out of me. Anyways - if that's your perspective, I step back from this thread.<span id="Saqib:1717006034888:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For you, it is across several discussions not only the RSN one. Ganesha811 also advised you about bludgeoning above. I haven't gotten to Throwaway yet but my next stop. I have a life outside of Wikipedia. S0091 (talk) 18:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, Throwaway?<span id="Saqib:1717007821572:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean is there any point of that discussion? We still didn't reach to a conclusion and he deliberately started mass removing again, ignoring my last responses and accusing me of being affiliated with that website.
 * Also Saqib "they tried to WP:PA me" could you exactly pin out when I said anything wrong? Instead you mentioned to discuss it, and then went on with your mass deletions. After your accusations on me spamming that website and CNMall41 advising you to have a discussion at WP:RSN and then deleting and me having created the discussion you carried on with your mass removals. This shows complete disrespect. And as far as I know when you had that argument with FNH004 you were amidst discussion at that time regarding to remove the source or not. Despite being in width of the discussion, you still had the nerve to accuse me of being"affiliated" with that website. May be difficult to admit for you but maybe not every time is someone else's fault. Cheers m8 Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by We still didn't reach to a conclusion? From what I've observed, everyone's just labelled this dubious website as a unreliable source,. Secondly, if I've accused you of being affiliated with this dubious website, could you offer a diff - at the minimum? If not, let's just pause and move on politely. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * please, let's get this argument resolved before this becomes too heated. Please, for your own good, take this to WP:DRN. They will help you out there.<span id="TheTechie:1717029727386:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> —  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  00:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, my dear friend. Please add a different source once you've removed one. Some advice.
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 * FNH004, Thanks for the 'warning.' Maybe instead focus on your own edits and try to steer clear of adding WP:OR such as DoB to BLPs (Wahiduzzaman Khan Pintu). And don't even try to make another personal attack here on my tp like you did yesterday.<span id="Saqib:1717081792340:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You recently removed sources from Kazi Salahuddin you could have atleast added a new one while in the case of Victoria SC you did not even remove the source properly. These are Bangladeshi football articles so I would hope you edited with a bit more care. Also none of these are personal attacks. If you have any issues regarding the article I created - Wahiduzzaman Khan Pintu please have it checked by a reviewer and lets see if it gets deleted. FNH004 (talk) 15:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * FNH004, Wait - do you own Bangladeshi football articles? I'm simply cleaning up spam links, including ones that you and others added. Will you let me handle it, please? And regarding Wahiduzzaman Khan Pintu, No, I've no interest in asking others to review it or even tag this BLP, even though tags might be warranted. Just wanted to give you a heads-up that instead of lecturing me about contentious topics, you should better watch your edits because you're citing spammy and dubious links as references and also adding WP:OR, like personal details (e.g., dates of birth) to BLPs. Meanwhile, I request you to please leave my tp. If you've an issue with my edits, please raise it on the relevant talk page, not here.<span id="Saqib:1717082998469:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I do not own Bangladeshi football articles. It was just simple advice or even a request, since I'm the one who takes care of those pages most of the time. But as usual, you got aggressive, and I hope you stop threatening everyone on this site. Anyways, goodbye. Hopefully, I don't have to come back to this talk page ever again. FNH004 (talk) 16:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * FNH004, No, I'm not getting aggressive or even threatening you. In-fact, you're the one mocking and name-calling me, repeatedly.<span id="Saqib:1717089549756:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 17:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It is even disappointing to see an experienced editor, with 20K+ edits to their name, is using name calling like a 4-year-old, which is potentially uncivil. FNH004, please civilly, come to a conclusion with Saqib here. If you cannot, I will have to move this to DRN.<span id="TheTechie:1717109139247:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> —  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  22:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm done arguing to him dw. FNH004 (talk) 06:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Let us remember it is you who started this name-calling nonsense.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  23:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Source
I need a third opinion about The Daily Times and Weekly Cutting Edge. Do you think they are WP:RS? <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 14:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * SheriffIsInTown, I've got doubts about the reliability of weeklycuttingedge.com. I mean, I've never even heard of this before. The Daily Times might be considered a RS, but WP:CONTEXTMATTERS because they've been known to dabble in WP:CHURNALISM, paid articles and even sometimes fake news.<span id="Saqib:1717167196149:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 14:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * SheriffIsInTown, After a thorough review of weeklycuttingedge.com, here's my assessment. While it claims to be a popular magazine, it doesn't quite even fit the typical magazine model, especially since it's circulated in all Foreign Embassies, Libraries, Hospitals, 5 star Hotels and Government/ Private Departments. It's run by a business tycoon (who also happens to serve as the editor) Dr Niloufer Mahdi with no journalistic experience. And despite being in publication since 2016, it's worth noting that Pakistani sources such as DAWN and Express Tribune don't even acknowledge this publication, leading me to conclude it's more of a WP:QS. In fact, they're engaging in blatant plagiarism.<span id="Saqib:1717169127854:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Tenderd for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tenderd is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Tenderd until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Libraa2019 (talk) 18:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Tabii
Hi Saqib, I noticed that you tagged Tabii with a notability tag and then marked it as reviewed. This seems contradictory to me and I've unreviewed the article so that another reviewer can take a look at it. Happy reviewing! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * MPGuy2824, Hello - are you sure I reviewed it manually? If so, I may have done so to remove it from the backlog. I actually proposed it for deletion, but a SPA objected to the proposed deletion, so I added notability tags.<span id="Saqib:1718101180899:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The patrol log shows you did. Anyway, it looks like you've draftified it now. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of Ghulam Mahmood Dogar
Why have you nominated the subject page for deletion? Asadwarraich (talk) 10:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * He is a notable retired officer of PSP and in my opinion, page shouldn't be deleted. Asadwarraich (talk) 10:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * But now that the BLP is up for deletion, let's leave it to the community to decide. I threw it into AfD because I didn't think he's notable enough. Saqib (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak

 * Titan2456, Thanks buddy. Happy eid to you too, but where's my share of the goat?<span id="Saqib:1718521648387:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 07:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 20130711_Goat_IMG_7911.png Here you go I guess 😅 Titan2456 (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Inayat Khan (actor) deletion
Dear @Saqib Its very unfortunate that you have deleted my Wikipedia article draft Inayat Khan (actor) on 11th may 2024 Before your mention about Inayat Khan that he is not a notable actor in pk you should have watched my dramas as a leading hero like ( Muqaddar Ka sitara, GT road, Ishq Zaat , Resham gali ki husna, Love Impossible, ishq Achanak, & many more.. & as a 2nd hero Tere anay se for Geo Entertainment)

Please don’t hurt an actor by spreading misinformation about him. I hope you will not do it again. Inayatkhanactor (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Inayatkhanactor, Hello again - are you sure you're real Inayat Khan ?<span id="Saqib:1718543276957:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 13:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib leave a message on my official verified instagram account InayatKhanOfficial you can also make a video call for confirmation Inayatkhanactor (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Inayatkhanactor, No - I prefer not to communicate off-wiki! Also, may I ask why you messaged @BeauSuzanne and how you know them?<span id="Saqib:1718543561888:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 13:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib
 * i know where you live and where you work.. i can also come to your place to meet you. Yess i am the real one Inayatkhanactor (talk) 13:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib
 * since @beausuzanne
 * created my page & I don’t know about them. In fact I don’t much know about wiki, Inayatkhanactor (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Inayatkhanactor, I'm not intimidated by your threats.<span id="Saqib:1718545177043:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 13:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Youknowwhoistheman, Appreciate it. Thanks and same to you!<span id="Saqib:1718741112548:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 20:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate drafts
Hi Saqib, I have seen a couple times-ish you have draftified articles but another draft already exists and perhaps already reviewed. In those circumstances, you can redirect one of the drafts so there's not duplicates. If one has already been reviewed, redirect to that one. If not, which ever one was created first. This will hopefully prevent multiple versions being submitted for review or one being moved to mainspace and another submitted, etc. S0091 (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, But the problem arises when different accounts create different drafts, and any attempt to redirect them results in the edit being reverted.<span id="Saqib:1718910125911:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It being created by another account doesn't matter. If the "master version" of the draft is accepted, the redirect will still exist so the history is maintained. This has been discussed at AfC a few times (please don't ask me to dig out the discussions lol). Are experienced editors reverting the redirect? S0091 (talk) 19:09, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, I don't really recall the drafts right now. On a related note, if an article has already been flagged and draftified, but another user attempts to recreate the article on the same topic in main NS. What do you think of such behaviour?<span id="Saqib:1718911392466:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think this is an example. An editor creates an article which an editor moves to draft (Draft:XXXX).  Another editor creates the same article which you move to draft under a different title because the draft already exists (Draft:XXXX (2))  After you move it to Draft:XXXX (2), you should redirect it to Draft:XXXX.  At the end of the day, only one draft about a topic should exist.  Whoever created the 2nd draft/article is welcome to improve the draft that already exists, though often in these circumstances they are UPE/sock/COI which makes it even more important only one draft exists. S0091 (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, OK we've Draft:Na Baligh Afraad 2nd Draft and Draft:Na Baligh Afraad. How would you approach here?<span id="Saqib:1718997818884:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect the 2nd (created 19 June) to the first (created 6 June). S0091 (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Allan Nonymous, Is this acceptable to you, too?<span id="Saqib:1718998569357:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no problem here that's the right call. I'm glad to know that there's a protocol for this. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Allan Nonymous If the only reason you draftified the article is because a draft exists (whether submitted to AfC or not), that is not a sufficient reason. It is fine for a draft to exist on topic that is in mainspace.  However, if you had other concerns such as UPE/sockin/COI, WP:TOOSOON or some other appropriate reason, use that instead.  S0091 (talk) 19:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean all of those factored into the decision, I wouldn't have moved the article to draft if neither of those was a concern of mine. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Allan Nonymous I figured you had various reasons. Just be sure to make that clear in your edit summary because admins/editors do watch the move logs.  S0091 (talk) 20:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Hanson Baliruno
Please help me and move my biography from Draft to the public or to search engine ,Like the way it was before Hanson Baliruno (talk) 07:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I wish I could, but no can't do it. Sorry! --— Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 08:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Page mover granted
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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Primefac (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Primefac, Great. Thank you!<span id="Saqib:1719499787773:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 14:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

RSN
I finally replied... I kept forgetting. Is posting at RSN slow for you? It is a pain a for me, even typing there is a delay. I had thought it was because of that monster ADL RfC but that's been archived. S0091 (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * S0091, Why slow? It's working for me. Thanks anyway.<span id="Saqib:1719595330723:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 17:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ultimately it works for me. I mean i can post but there's a delay when typing and posting.  If you are not experiencing an issue then it's something on my end...but not sure what it could be.  S0091 (talk) 17:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Review for Sonia Shamroz
@Saqib see the sonia shamroz draft she looks an award winning and bbc, arab news published a strong stories on it. Aig is notable references looks more strong. Kaladrmpio (talk) 06:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Kaladrmpio, Go ahead and submit it for review if you believe it is ready. I can't commit to reviewing it. <span id="Saqib:1719729891928:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 06:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqibjust see you decline again. Just have a qucik quick why bcc, arab news strong Stories doesn't meet the gng? Including pak top news papers published an articles on it. Kaladrmpio (talk) 07:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Kaladrmpio First thing first: I suggest you not remove declined reviews like you did here. And also, what's your connection with ? --— Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 07:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey,i will not remove that was a mistake i apologies second you asked me about the connection i have no connection with the user you mentioned above sonia shamroz is already famous in Pakistan and majority people knows her. I just suggested and add some more things if a person is notable why the draft is declined? You mentioned that sources are not reliable is bbc and arab news are not strong sources for the gng? And pakistani, the news, bol news tv, geo news? Kaladrmpio (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Obvious spam
Hi Saqib, good work from you so far. Please look into this spam, Chaudhry Aurangzeb, and deal with it accordingly. Cheers, 2400:ADCC:112:4700:B835:797:4B71:3C09 (talk) 15:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds like something you can handle perfectly on your own! — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Muhammad Ishaq Madni for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Muhammad Ishaq Madni is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Muhammad Ishaq Madni until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Leithiani (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Quit the socking, please. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 14:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Youlin
It is exhausting to continue a discussion on it. I would recommend going to RSN with it so it saves time in the future. Otherwise, you will end up with the same arguments. CNMall41 (talk) 07:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * CNMall41, Certainly, I'm willing to initiate a thread on Youlin at WP:RSN. However, the issue is there seems to be a lack of participation. In fact, last time you recommended that I bring ProPakistani to WP:RSN, but then you did not participate in the discussion yourself and the discussion was archived without any substantial outcome.<span id="Saqib:1721468515673:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> —  Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 09:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you are putting it on me for not participating. I do not participate in every discussion. If you do not get participation, then you can ask that it be unarchived and even to a RfC. But, do as you wish. It was just some friendly advice. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Sher Afzal Marwat
Hi Saqib,

I hope you understand my removal of content from Sher Afzal Marwat article. I have confirmed the inaccuracy from him personally and have made changes in which the reason is already explained in the edit summary following the changes. If you have any further questions or concerns, Please let me know. Hammadalishah01 (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hammadalishah01, You can't just remove content like that, even if the subject of the article claims it's inaccurate.<span id="Saqib:1721500141401:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How can someone remove content like that? what's the accurate way? Hammadalishah01 (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hammadalishah01, I repeat you can't remove the content because it's sourced. I don't know if it's inaccurate or not, but it is verifiable, at least.<span id="Saqib:1721500667375:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Fake film article Operation Swift Retort (short film)
Hey Saqib, you should view this fake self-promoted film Operation Swift Retort (short film) by DJ Kamal Mustafa. If you check the article references in which two to three are self-published articles by DJ Kamal Mustafa, who is a journalist.

He created number of other films just for their Wikipedia approval and he did it. He did the very low quality film in low budget or by himself. He published music before for his Instagram verification and Google Knowledge Panel. If you check out his work he did totally self-promoted things everywhere. I see you are active in these topic please submit it for deletion. ChasmanOPT6 (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ChasmanOPT6, Interesting. But if you're new here, how come you know this so much?<span id="Saqib:1721499936170:User_talkFTTCLNSaqib" class="FTTCmt"> —  Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 18:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The operation Swift retort is mentioned by gulf news, geo news, the news, pak observer and many other news outlets but you've deleted it based on anti pak stance. As per Wikipedia admins the 2019 jammu kashmir airstrike was rightly added as it has passed the wp notability but you have removed it. The op is not new and was banned by you and other admins last year when he made fake Wikipedia on his name which we Nominated it for deletion. The op is jealous and sent message on Instagram after laughing on it. We will purse it legally and holding Wikipedia accountable for removing ISPR movie. 182.190.222.78 (talk) 05:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hope you got it :)

Wprep (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, stop sending those threatening emails right now. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 06:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you think it is phir @Saqib you have a chance to report to the authorities simple :) you've to answer why you've deleted the information from the page of Jammu & Kashmir airstrikes which was added in 2019 by the approval of other editors and you've deleted it on the request of sock-puppet. You've to logically answer about the situation unless you've been pinged internally by the sock-puppeter ;) Wprep (talk) 06:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yar @Saqib Qayyum bhai you're doing good work but sometimes you play on both sides which is wrong. Kafi pages you have deleted jo armed forces se related hote hai I remember you were the one who deleted some Lt Generals Wikipedia pages, anyways you're free to comment on my judgement and I am eagerly waiting to be responded by you :)
 * ~ Wprep (talk) 07:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)