User talk:Sara Sandys

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March 2010
Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself. Please use the template on the page instead if you disagree with the deletion, and make your case on the page's. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:17, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The profile on Jonathan Sandys is NOT spam and it is not promoting a product or person. The profile is unbias and the reason I feel, (as do others), is because Jonathan Sandys is a notable figure due to the fact that he is continuing the legacy of his great-grandfather, Sir Winston Churchill. At NO point have I made reference to any requests for business or donations. At NO point have I digressed from the subject.

The profile is a biography of Jonathan Sandys and is going to be expanded. I am continuing to add further information relating to Jonathan's childhood and some of the stories his father, (Churchill's grandson, Julian Sandys), and his great-aunt Mary Soames have told him over the years.

Please will you contact me urgently if you really feel that this is spam or an advert. I would like this posted correctly and I followed the guidelines to the letter. I don't understand why you are seeking to delete this.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sara Sandys (talk • contribs) 21:04, 4 March 2010


 * The article is most unambiguously promotional in its whole tone and character. The fact that business and donations are not mentioned is irrelevant: promotion can apply to anything, including an individual person. If you genuinely cannot see that the article is promotional in nature then I suggest that is because you are so closely involved with the subject that you cannot stand back and see it from a distant perspective. This is one of the reasons why Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline strongly discourages editing of an article by an editor with a personal involvement: even if an editor sincerely thinks they are being objective, if they are closely involved they may unwittingly be failing to do so. As for your statement that Jonathan Sandys is notable because "he is continuing the legacy of his great-grandfather", notability is not inherited. In order to justify having a Wikipedia article on a subject it is necessary to show that that subject is notable in their own right, and connection with another notable person is completely irrelevant. I strongly suggest reading Wikipedia's general notability guideline and also the specific notability guideline for people. I see that you express the intention of continuing to edit the article, having decided not to be dissuaded by the conflict of interest guideline. If you do so, quite apart from the likelihood of the article being completely deleted, there is also a high likelihood that your contributions will be very heavily edited. In order to minimize the risk of continual disappointment and frustration I very strongly urge you to read the guidelines linked in the notice on your talk page. Editors new to Wikipedia who choose to edit without being familiar with those guidelines commonly find that their work is being undone, and do not understand why.
 * If you have any further questions please feel very welcome to ask me. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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I have added to the page to give background information on Jonathan. As to your comment on notability, I have not mentioned this because of his relationship to Churchill, as you can see from the article, Jonathan is ACTUALLY doing something. Many people have suggested that a Wiki page be created as Jonathan is very active in the cause of education, the profile has been added by me because it was thought that I was the best person to write it. There really is NO bias because I have stated NO opinion on anything. I have reported the facts as they have been presented. I have followed several designs from Wiki pages of a similar sort and I'm confident that I have stayed within the guidelines to neither offend people, or pursuade them either way. Politicians have pages, celebrities have pages, why not the President of a foundation dedicated to education. However, if the article were written by someone other than myself, would you then accept it?

Respectfully. Thank you

PS - I am also happy to remove the links to the foundation's website if that is a problem. I was only following the guidlines of other websites that link to external sources, but as I say, I will happily remove the links throughout the site. Please don't delete this page, instead, please help me get it right, I'm honestly not trying to promote, I merely wish to record. Respectfully, thank you.

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You changed the article. Thank you so much for the time you have given to this, I really appriciate it. Bless you!

Articles for deletion nomination of Jonathan Sandys
I have nominated Jonathan Sandys, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Jonathan Sandys. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. NtheP (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2010 (UTC)