User talk:Sarah fides/Archive 1

hello
γεια σου φιλε,εχεις διαθεση να προσφερεις και αυτο ειναι το βασικο δε θα το αλλαξω,απλα θα σου πω τη γνωμη μου

βρισκω το κολαζ λιγο μουντο,εσυ τις τραβηξες τις φωτο? οι πρωτες δυο φωτο(αριστοτελους και πυργου)βρισκω οτι ειναι καλες,οπως και του τυπου που καθεται στην ανω πολη

τωρα για αγιο δημητριο,καμαρα,μεγαλεξαντρο και μπροστινη εικονα της παραλιας νομιζω οι αλλες ηταν πιο καθαρες και διαυγεις(αν δεις αλλα αρθρα ευρωπαικων πολεων ,πχ ρωμη-παρισι,προσπαθουν να χρησιμοποιουν οσο πιο καθαρες εικονες γινεται)

επισης το κτιριο αυτο δεν ειναι νεοκλασικο,ειναι ρυθμου art nouveau(υπαρχει αρθρο στη wikipedia)και νομιζω επισης κακης ποιοτητας φωτο

παρεπιπτοντως και γω απο θεσσαλονικη ειμαι Greco22 (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Greek Merchant Navy flag.svg
First off, the area you are referring to is not in fact white. It really does not assist communication when you call something "white" when in actual fact it is not "white". Second, the problem you pointed out is actually a bug with the rendering software, not a problem with my SVG code, as seen by the fact that it does not appear in the non-thumbnailed version of the image (which is what I was looking at). AnonMoos (talk) 09:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

hi there
γεια σου φιλε επειδη βλεπω ασχοληθηκες και με σημαιες τελευταια, και εκανες καποια svg, μπορεις αν θελεις και εχεις χρονο βεβαια να κανεις svg και τη σημαια των επαναστατων της χαλκιδικης (1821)?

την ανεβασα σε απλη μορφη: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chalkidiki-flag.jpg

να σαι καλα,τα λεμε Greco22 (talk) 08:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

ναι,σπαθι Greco22 (talk) 12:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

File:OSE-Logo.svg
Please wait until the Deletion Request on Commons is closed with a Keep verdict before using this image in Wikipedia articles. If they decide to delete the image on Commons, this shall cause a problem here. Thank you. SV1XV (talk) 14:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Gallery in "Greeks" article
Hello ! We have agreed to expand the picture gallery from the Greeks article in the shape of these ones:

French: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people

English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people

Italians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_people

Germans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_people. We have made a whole movement which included discussions and votations and we have agreed to expand it to a 25-pic gallery. Constantine  ✍  suggested me that if I was looking for a graphics-experienced editor to help in compiling a nice-looking collage I should address to you. Can you help me with this? I hereby place the 25 personalities chosen and the photographs I have selected and can you give shape to the gallery?

HOMER: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homer_British_Museum.jpg

LEONIDAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonidas_Thermopylae2.jpg

PERICLES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pericles_Pio-Clementino_Inv269.jpg

HERODOTUS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AGMA_H%C3%A9rodote.jpg

HIPPOCRATES: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hippocrates_pushkin02.jpg

SOCRATES: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Socrates_Massimo_Inv1236.jpg

PLATO: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Herma_of_Plato_-_0042MC.jpg

ARISTOTLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aristotle_Altemps_Inv8575.jpg

ALEXANDER: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AlexandreLouvre.jpg

ARCHIMEDES: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Archimedes_naples_statue.jpg

HYPATIA: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hypatiagreekimage.jpg

BASILEIOS II: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Basilios_II.jpg

ALEXIOS KOMNENOS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alexios_Komnenos_(1106-1142).jpg

PLETHON: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benozzo_Gozzoli,_Pletone,_Cappella_dei_Magi.jpg

EL GRECO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:El_greco.JPG

RIGAS FERAIOS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rigas2.jpg

THEODOROS KOLOKOTRONIS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kolokotronis-01d-by-Karl_Krazeisen.jpg

LASCARINA BOUBOULINA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bouboulina_Friedel_engraving_1827.jpg

GEORGIOS KARAISKAKIS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karaiskakis-Tsokos.jpg

IOANNIS CAPODISTRIAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kapodistrias2.jpg

ELEFTHERIOS VENIZELOS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Venizelos--lifeofvenizelosw00chesuoft.png

CONSTANTINE CAVAFY: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cavafy1900.jpg

GEORGIOS PAPANIKOLAOU: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Papanikolaou_Georgios.JPG

ARCHBISHOP MAKARIOS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Makarios_III_and_Robert_F._Wagner_NYWTS_cropped.jpg

PYRROS DIMAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Piros_dimas_in_dion.jpg

I please ask you -if you happen to accept- that when it is done you place it in my User's Talk Page. Thank you very much.-Periptero (talk) 01:46, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Greeks Gallery
Thanx mate, it was really awesome. The only thing is that we should make an ammendment because I sent you the wrong Alexios Komnenos. We should place this picture instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alexios_I_Komnenos.jpg Can you fix it ? Thanx for your high quality job.- Periptero (talk) 20:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

macedonia
ask some of your Macedonian neighbors if they were allowed to speak out loud. dont play naive —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.225.45 (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Your comment is irrelevant; the region has been called 'Macedonia' by Greek authorities since 1912. --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * nothing is as irrelevant as you would like it to be. ask Rainbow(political party) or father Nikodim or as much as any peasant in aegean macedonia. i think it's better if you revert yourself your revertation. for the sake of the killed ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.225.45 (talk) 23:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, make an account and don't leave unsigned comments. Second of all, what you are saying is in no way relevant to the topic at hand. The Greek authorities have been calling the region 'Macedonia' since 1912, regardless of if you want to accept that fact or not. Prosecution against Macedonians and other speakers of slavic languages in Greek Macedonia is completely irrelevant with the fact that it was been called 'Macedonia' since the time it was incorporated. For the record, the Ministry for Macedonia and Thrace was founded under the name 'General Administration for Macedonia' in 1912. --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Here we go. the Greek lobby gathers from all-around ;))) well aren't you funny. a thousand wrongs can't make it right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.225.45 (talk) 00:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I hardly represent the Greek lobby; I am not in favor of the "Macedonia is Greek" position, but nor am i a supporter of the "Macedonia to the Macedonians" position :) Simply because you disagree with it doesnt mean it must be your way :) The Greek maps call it 'Macedonia' and as such this is what we will use on the Macedonia (Greece) article, unless you have some Greek sources to show us that prove the contrary :) If I am not mistaken you said that it was not officially called 'Macedonia' before the late 80s - I added a map on the article that proves otherwise. Where is your source? :) --Philly boy92 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * you are not for "megali" idea? i almost dropped unconscious. i don't need that part of Macedonia as well. i just need a confession and admitting of the exodus . that's all. anyway we visit every summer. my source is my memory. i remember a Macedonian at a gas station in Greece whispering to me on his mother tongue. i remember that i had to say that i come from Yugoslavia and not Macedonia. i remember two of my friends beaten up by your cop for that. one of your not so stupid generals appeared on our television and he said that he was for federation between Macedonia and Greece. that can be done but first your youth needs to wash their fathers bloody hands

hi
πως παει ολα καλα? να σε ρωτησω, για κολαζ σκεφτομαι να κανω σε μερικες ελληνικες πολεις. Μεσω word γινεται η διαδικασια? Greco22 (talk) 12:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Στο word θα είναι δύσκολο, εγώ το έκανα στο photoshop, είναι πολύ εύκολο. --Philly boy92 (talk) 12:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

The Contribution Team cordially invites you to Imperial College London All Hail The Muffin Nor does it taste nice... 03:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Request
Hi. Could you please send me an e-mail through Special:EmailUser/Xshisdi? Wikipedia says you have no e-mail connected to your account. I'd like to ask you about something private. --Xshisdi (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Simaia
Πολυ καλη δουλεια! Ολες οι σημαιες που ανεβασες Να σαι καλα Greco22 (talk) 17:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

EON emblem
Hello! You are right in so far as the emblem was widely used: EON was virtually the only mass organization of the regime, and Metaxas liked to be seen with "his" youth. The images you present are from addresses to EON assemblies, so naturally the EON emblem would be used. It was certainly a political symbol (and the labrys is hence associated with the Greek far right), but it never replaced the Kingdom's CoA or come to enjoy similar status, unlike the Nazi Party Eagle which became the national emblem or the Italian royal CoA which was altered to include the fasces. Constantine  ✍  19:49, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. Feel free to ask at my talk page or over at WP:GREECE. I myself have rather limited sources directly available on the Metaxas period, but I can always go look for more! CHeers, and keep up the good work! Constantine  ✍  21:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Aristotelous Square
Hello! I went through the article, nice job on the expansion, it is certainly a good B-class! The only nitpick I have is the referencing format: you should try to use the and  templates, especially if you intend to try for GA eventually. Constantine  ✍  16:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Invitation!
This comes a bit late, but better late than never. You might also be interested in our Match 2011 newsletter! Best regards, Constantine  ✍  10:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Your signature is in violation of policy
Your signature that you are using on talk pages is making use of File:Caprica_flag_symbol.png. Per SIG you are forbidden to use images in signatures. Please immediately modify your "my preferences" to remove this image from your signature. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it out. --Philly boy92 (talk) 15:41, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for removing it! --Hammersoft (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

hello
πως πάει? ριξε μια ματιά εδώ και αν θες βοήθα να διαγραφεί αυτο το προπαγανδιστικό μωσαικό http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Greece_linguistic_minorities.svg τα λέμε Greco22 (talk) 07:49, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

βικι ελ
Greek in Albania has also 25 % GREEK percent if We talk about "percentS" (Την εχουμε κατασκισει την Αλβανια περνωντας αθτη την νοοτροπια να γραφει κ απο μας δηλαδη το επισημο τωρινο μειονοτικο αποτελεσμα τησ ταξης του 25% ΜΕΣΑ ΣΤΗΝ Αλβανια.)Τι λεν τωρα?Its the same rediciolucities,before You write take a look in Greek statment protocols.Immigrants who live in Greece, considered, ας, "official" members of Greek society? Their r i g h t s, do not exercise at home?(Gr.Οι μετανάστες, που ζουν στην Ελλάδα, θεωρούνται, δηλαδή, "επίσημα" μέλη της ελληνικής κοινωνίας; Τα δικαιώματά τους, δεν τα ασκούν στην πατρίδα τους;Eιναι για κλαματα)The only rights I know its the official GREEK MINORITY IN ALBANIA (North Epirus - also Arvanites) Τhe particular website is not considered the most reliable and has committed many-times-a significant error. Elsewhere, for example, says Pomaks speak "Bulgarian", which challenged the Pomaks and creates a huge national issue in Greece.(Προσβαλει τους Πομακους ΑΠΕΝΑΝΤΙ μας - ΟΧΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ) Gr.το περιεχόμενο είναι μπάτε σκύλοι αλέστε κι αλεστικά μη δίνετε. Μόνο που αυτό έπρεπε να είναι γραμμένο με κεφαλαία γράμματα πάνω από κάθε άρθρο της Βικιπαιδεια.εξ αιτίας των οποίων έχουν δημιουργηθεί χίλια μύρια προβλήματα στη ζωή δεκάδων ανθρώπων, με τις  οποίες ομάδες αγνώστων αργά ή γρήγορα θα ασχοληθεί η υπηρεσία του ηλεκτρονικού εγκλήματος. Ελπίζουμε μόνο να μην θρηνήσουμε θύματα εξ αιτίας αυτών των αγνώστων διαχειριστών, που βέβαια αν το καλοσκεφτεί κανείς δεν θα είναι άγνωστοι(Μορφωσης Σοβαρης) για τον όποιο εισαγγελέα ασχοληθεί μαζί τους σε λιγο καιρο απο τωρα —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aperitis25 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Airports in Greece
Your edit to the Airports in Greece template today (adding a ref) has cause the 70 or so pages it's transcluded to to start throwing reference errors because the template appears below the template:reflist on the pages. Do you know if there's a way to self-contain the reflist to the template, or if those 70 articles must all be rearranged? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I've fixed it. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Τι εγινε?
Καλα κανει. ας το λεει ο καθενας ,το κρατος μετραει ρε φιλε και τα πρωτοκολλα του,τα οποια αναφερουν 98% Ελληνες και 2% οι αλλες μειονοτητες (δηλαδη Πομακοι) Γιατι δεν το ψαχνεις μονος σου,κι οσο για το αλλο,δηλαδη το οτι ειναι του καραγκιοζη το πανυγυρακι φιλε (η βικιπαιδεια) χεχε δεν χρειαζεται να το πω γω, φαινεται! εχεις δει κανεναν επισημο (η αλλο φορεα ποτε στα χρονικα) να εμπλεκεται στο να διωρθωσει την βικιπαιδεια΄¨? οχι βεβαια γιατι κανεις δεν το παιρνει σαν site σοβαρο ανα την υφηλιο φιλε! ανα πασα στιγμη τωρα που μιλαμε ο καθενας ασχετος μπορει να γραφει οτι θελει.}} Τελωσπαντων τα επισημα στοιχεια ειναι διαθεσιμα απο τα επισημο κρατος ως επικρατεια και την εφημεριδα της κυβερνησης. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aperitis25 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for help on Syracusia!
Really great to see a page get spiffed up so quickly. Djembayz (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

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Names of Thessaloniki
Hi,

you just reverted me on names of Thessaloniki. I could bring this to the article talk page, but I thought it might be easier to clarify my intent directly with you.

In 2007 a "name" section was created to pull non-Greek names from the opening lines of the article. It seemed at the time the least-bad option, as there was organized edit-warring against having "Selanik" or "Solun" at the top. (From that time I'll take credit, or discredit, if you prefer, for pretty much rewriting the lede into its current form). In any case, an unhappy compromise was being forced by the entrenched bloc to struggle for the name Solun. Historically, Bulgarian and the local Macedonian Slav language had been used in and around Salonika. Edit warring was particularly fierce to keep "Macedonian Slav" out of the article. "South Slavic" languages was, I believe, my proposal, to get at least indirect reference to them back in. It was the best that was doable at the time, but it was wrong. There is no historic significance to SBH or any other South Slav language in Salonika. In the current version, "South Slav" is a euphemism for Bulgarian and Macedonian Slav. Jd2718 (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I am on my phone at the moment so I'll just cut to the chase. My objection was to include just Macedonian and Bulgarian, because Solun is used in almost all South Slavic Languages, not just the two. If you like I think it is a fair compromise to add "including Mac. and Bulg." or something similar. Cheers for bringing this to the talk page. --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick reply. I tried this. See what you think, and if I am off, please fix it. (BTW, I see it is your city. It is a spectacular place.) Jd2718 (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Greek Macedonia portal
Hello Philly! I was wondering whether you intend to continue work on Portal:Macedonia (Greece). As it stands, it is rather sub-par and is likely to be deleted if nominated (there's been a spate of portal deletion nominations over at WP:MFD recently). Constantine  ✍  15:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Constantine, thanks for the heads up. I was planning on finishing off the template, but my mac got fried and I just got a new one today, so I will work on it as soon as I find some free time. Thanks for the heads up though :) --Philly boy92 (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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Hellenic Parliament
Because I know that no one looks at article talk pages and also because you were tha last person to contribute in this page, I will tell it to you: Democratic Alliance, Democratic Left and Panhellenic Citizen Chariot, are unofficialy in the greek parliament because they were formed by independents and even when they talk in the parliament, the speaker don't say "Fotis Kouvelis, MP of Democratic Left", he says "Fotis Kouvelis, independent MP" if I am wrong tell me.--46.12.16.226 (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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Greek austerity measures
You seem to be following the story; where is the correct place for the vote on austerity measures? I'm trying to link from Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing but I'm having a hard time being sure I'm linking to the right article. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

,, These are the articles I'm looking at. I'm probably adding way too much detail to that article, but there does seem to be a link between the two. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to lunch. Back tomorrow. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Flag of Athens
Hello. I was wondering whether you could help make a better Athens flag. This one is not at all the right colour, nor the emblem is right. I suppose you've seen a flag of Athens before, but this photo of the municipal gallery might help you also. I think the blue is more like Duke blue, isn't it? Or not?? But red and gold are not the right shades either. I also found some photos on Google: flag1, flag2 and flag3. I hope you can help! --RoseAphro (talk) 08:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. If you need any help just send me back. --RoseAphro (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

How is it going with the flag? Do you need any help? --RoseAphro (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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thess population
you say "NO OTHER country but Greece publishes censuses on the population of Thessaloniki" yet on the table below the 2004 results are from Eurostat and show an increased population for the municipality. Wont it be relevant to say that the last two censuses that showed a decline in population were the Greek ones? ...because a latest census (that is non-Greek) shows an increase in population instead for the municipality. Although an unsignificant issue, just wanted to clarify that out, so that the reading of the article is improved — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.108.175 (talk) 01:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Eurostat publishes data not censuses. --Philly boy92 (talk) 01:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

although it is data, for anyone reading the article they usualy pick it up as a "census". Thats why I think its relevant to clarify that the last two censuses that showed a decline pattern were Greek, while the increased population for 2004 (data or estimate that it may be) is understood as being non-greek solely because there is an increase now in population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.108.175 (talk) 01:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This could also be done by saying "although recent data by Eurostat show...". Also, the Census 2011 will be published soon, so I really don't think there is any need for this. --Philly boy92 (talk) 02:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

it can be done by writing a whole new sentense, but its better just by writing "Greek censuses" so it is clarified for now, up until the new 2011 results are published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thessalonian101 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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Template talk:Largest cities of Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Largest_cities_of_Greece)
It is true that Piraeus belongs in the greater urban area of Athens, being the historic seaport of Athens. However, from an administrative point of view, Piraeus is not included in the Athens metropolitan area. Piraeus has its own (independent from Athens) municipality (http://www.piraeus.gov.gr/); Piraeus used to be for almost 160 years (up to December 2010, when prefectures were abolished in Greece) the capital of Piraeus Prefecture, which included the islands of the Saronic Gulf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saronic_Gulf) as well as the islans of Kythera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kythera) and Antikythera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera); and, most importantly, Piraeus is nowadays the capital of the Peripheral Unit of Piraeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_units_of_Greece ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheries_of_Greece). Furthermore, Piraeus has its own electoral districts: i) the “Piraeus first electoral district” (which includes the municipality of Piraeus), and ii) the “Piraeus second electoral district” (which includes Piraeus’ suburbs, such as Keratsini, Perama, Drapetsona, Nikaia etc). Therefore, the citizens of Piraeus elect their own MPs and they are represented in the Greek Parliament by the MPs elected in Piraeus and not by those elected in Athens.

Administratively, Piraeus is totally independent from Athens! It is a different municipality, belonging in a different peripheral unit, having its own electoral districts!

According to the official data available by the Hellenic Statistical Authority (http://www.statistics.gr/) and the Municipality of Piraeus (http://www.piraeus.gov.gr/) the wider area of Piraeus includes the homonymous municipality and six more municipalities-suburbs with a total population of 466.065 and an extent of 50.4 square metres.

I would like to underline the fact that in the table depicting the largest Greek cities the population of Athens (3,165,823) does not include the population of Piraeus, simply because Piraeus is not a part of Athens!

As aforesaid, officially, the Piraeus urban area is the third largest urban area of Greece with a population of 466.065 people. That’s why the correct version of the table is this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Largest_cities_of_Greece&direction=prev&oldid=440483607. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicephore (talk • contribs) 14:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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It goes without saying that in Greece a municipality does not necessarily form a distinct city or town. Your example with Kalamaria in Thessaloniki’s metropolitan area is a nice example. I could also cite many other examples: for instance, the municipality of Perama belongs to the Piraeus’ metropolitan area, or the municipality of Galatsi belongs to the Athens’ metropolitan area. We agree on that point…

But, Piraeus is not just a municipality distinct from Athens, Piraeus (unlike Kalamaria, Perama, or Galatsi) is the capital of a peripheral unit (“periferiaki enotita” in Greek), which is called “Piraeus Peripheral Unit”.

Piraeus was for about 160 years [i.e. up to December 2010, when a new law, called the “Kallikratis” law, reformed the administrative division of Greece by abolishing prefectures and establishing peripheries] the capital of a Prefecture, which was called “Piraeus Prefecture”. [Kalamaria, Perama or Galatsi have never been capitals of a Prefecture]

Piraeus elects its own Members of Parliament [Kalamaria doesn’t] and it is divided into 2 electoral districts: i) “Alfa Pireos kai Nison” (in Greek), ii) “Vita Pireos kai Nison” (in Greek). In Greece an electoral district corresponds to the borders of a former Prefecture!

By all means, from an administrative point of view, Piraeus doesn’t belong to Athens (it belongs to the larger Periphery of Attica, but that’s irrelevant with the topic of our discussion). In all official documents issued by the Greek authorities, Piraeus is counted as a city distinct from Athens.

By the way, the Piraeus Urban Area (including two electoral districts) is made up of several municipalities: Municipality of Piraeus, Municipality of Keratsini-Drapetsona, Municipality of Perama, Municipality of Nikaia, Municipality of Aigaleo, Municipality of Korydallos, etc. Since it seems that you don’t know well Piraeus and you think that Piraeus is a suburb of Athens, please read the following articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piraeus_Prefecture ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piraeus_(peripheral_unit). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.157.142 (talk) 16:11, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Again, you are not contradicting any of my arguments. I am sorry, but the fact is that your opinion is flawed and not based on any official data.

I will say it for a third time: Piraeus is NOT a subdivision of Athens. Piraeus is part of the Periphery of Attica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attica_Periphery) as it is Athens (Athens is the capital of the Periphery of Attica), as it is Hydra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_island), as it is Kythera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kythera), etc. If we adhere to your rationale, then since Hydra belongs to the Periphery of Attica, then it should be considered a suburb of Athens or a part of Athens’ metropolitan area. This doesn’t make any sense.

Piraeus is administratively independent from Athens, it is a different city, and the only affinity between Athens and Piraeus is the fact that both of them belong to the Periphery of Attica, to the decentralized Region of Attica (http://www.apdattikis.gov.gr/), to the nation-state of Greece, to the European Union, to the European Continent, and to Planet Earth. End of Story!

As I have already argued, Piraeus has its own urban area, which includes 5 other municipalities, and officially is not a suburb of Athens.

As far as the official demographic data are concerned, you are again wrong. Check the following link that leads to the website of Greece’s Ministry of the Interior: http://www.ypes.gr/UserFiles/f0ff9297-f516-40ff-a70e-eca84e2ec9b9/D_diairesi.xls. The data of this official publication have been used in several articles of the Wikipedia, including this one: Athens, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens. If you read this file you will understand that the population of Athens Urban Area (without including Piraeus) is 3,165,823 people!

The population of Piraeus Urban Area (the current Piraeus Peripheral Unit) is 466,065 people (this number is not included in the population of Athens Urban Area). The population of the former Piraeus Prefecture (including the islands of the Saronic Gulf, Kythera and Antikythera) is 541,504 people.

Stop making up demographic data. The official demographic data are here: http://www.ypes.gr/UserFiles/f0ff9297-f516-40ff-a70e-eca84e2ec9b9/D_diairesi.xls and contradict what you are so stubbornly saying. Don't keep modifying the table using false data! If you are not convinced that you are wrong (although this is more than obvious), you should contact a senior moderator to find a solution in this dispute.


 * It is not wise to attempt to intimidate a new member of the wikipedia community (who, understandably, is not as experienced as you do in using wikipdia's various features), and you should try to be more polite and less rude. As you said, "it's not like you knew me from yesterday".


 * You refuse to reply to the official statistic data I quoted in my posts (http://www.ypes.gr/UserFiles/f0ff9297-f516-40ff-a70e-eca84e2ec9b9/D_diairesi.xls).
 * My entire argument is based on the fact that Piraeus is a city by itself, it is a Peripheral Unit by itself, it was a Prefecture by itself, it is an urban area by itself, and it is composed of two autonomous electoral districts with no relation to the electoral districts of Athens.


 * According to the official data of the Greek Ministry of the Interior, the population of Athens Urban Area (without taking into account Piraeus) is 3,165,823 people.
 * The population of Piraeus Urban Area (Piraeus Peripheral Unit) is 466,065 people.
 * These are the official data and you haven’t contradicted them thus far.


 * According to the data you are posting, Piraeus has its own distinct urban area (the Piraeus Urban Area with a population of 466,065 people), but it belongs in the wider metropolitan area of Athens (with a population of 3,761,810).


 * You are confusing the terms "urban area" and "metropolitan area", because in Greek language we use the same words for these two notions and there is no distincion between them.
 * According to your data, Piraeus has its own "urban area" (which coincides with the limits of Piraeus Peripheral Unit), but it doesn't have its own "metropolitan area".Nicephore (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I don’t like and I don’t intend to make any personal attacks to any member of wikipedia’s community.
 * Frankly, this is neither my style nor the way I am used to behave.
 * I have nothing personal with you (I don’t know you at all, how I could have a personal argument with you?).


 * The problem here is that we have an argument on whether Piraeus has its own urban area, while being part of the Athens metropolitan area.
 * I am sure that my opinion is correct, and the same thing happens with you.


 * It is impossible to find a solution without seeking arbitration from senior, experienced editors.


 * If you read wikipedia’s entry on Athens, you will find out that “The Attica Periphery itself is split into eight peripheral units, out of which four form the Greater Athens area [i.e. North Athens, West Athens, Central Athens, South Athens]”.
 * According to the same wikipedia’s entry, “the population of Athens Urban Area is 3,165,823 people, […] the population of the Athens metropolitan area is 3,761,810 people”.
 * Wikipedia makes a clear distinction between the “Athens urban area” and the “Athens metropolitan area” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens).


 * The passage you are quoting from the website of the Municipality of Piraeus is misleading.
 * First of all, this info is not valid any more after the Kallikratis reform.
 * These data are outdated and make reference to municipalities which do not exist anymore (such as the municipalities of Drapetsona or Agios Ioannis Rentis).
 * The Greek term “πολεοδομικό συγκρότημα” is an urban planning term and in modern Greek legal and administrative texts it is used in a different meaning and context than the one you have understood. In that context, this term is used with its legal and administrative sense, not with its architectural meaning.Nicephore (talk) 23:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Remove map?
Please take a look at the discussion on Talk:Ethnic Macedonians of Greece regarding the map you put in. Regards! --79.160.40.10 (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Ethnic Macedonians
Hi Philly boy 92, after the discussion on Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group), I went ahead and proceeded with the changes however was quickly reverted by a certain user. I am not interested in starting an edit war so you might be interested in reinstating my edit (with the changes to text I made and also the translation to the sources which was added), Thanks. Lunch for Two (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia
From my talk page:
 * Hi. Just to let you know, you have been pushing your Point of View on the Republic of Macedonia page. You have overriden by reverts twice, and keep in mind that any further edits of the sort may constitute a violation of Wikipedia's 3 revert rule which could get you blocked. The changes you are making to the article are incorrect. The "Republic of Macedonia" is not for domestic use, and "FYROM" is most certainly not for "international" use. The term FYROM is a UN provisional designation, and the Republic of Macedonia is not obliged to call itself FYROM. I suggest before making such edits again you read the Interim Accord in its entirety. If you are stil interested in making the change, please discuss it on the article's talk page first. Thanks --Philly boy92 (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

See the talk:Republic of Macedonia page. Apologies for the appearance of edit warring: You were reverting so quickly between my edits, they didn't even appear on the conflict page. I was getting someone else's, which weren't reverts of what I'd been doing. Plus, of course, you're wrong: nearly 20 years is neither provisional nor temporary and they are obliged to be called that by the UN and presumably other international organizations. — LlywelynII  14:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Thessaloniki
Hi, Philly boy92. Please stop blind reverts and try to read and use talk pages: Talk:Thessaloniki, Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 23:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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I dont understand how you think they are copyright violations!! Source is attached and the sites of were they come from make no claim to any copyright attached to them. They are circulated freely in puclic domain. Especialy images from aggelioforos mention they make all their photos freely available, the same goes for public government websites were the park map came from. And what do you mean with Arata Isoszaki he didnt take the photo the photo was taken by the source that was mentioned and made the picture freely available. There a tons of city articles that include photos that have are freely circulated in public domains I dont understant why there cant be any for Thessaloniki too especialy when the article is in need for some updated photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thessalonian101 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

what about the seich sou map were it also lets you freely download the pdf I see no copyright attached to that and btw it comes from a goverment website ..i have seen tons of articles were they have similar links to photos maybe i dint apply the correct licence?

"As for Arata Isozaki, no he did not take the picture but the design is his intellectual property." so what you are saying as long as he is alive no one can post images of his work?? that image has been circulated everywere — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thessalonian101 (talk • contribs) 07:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Help needed!
Hello! I would appreciate your help considering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Thessaloniki_International_Airport#Destinations_names Thanks! --Thakaran (talk) 23:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

βανκρυπτ, εη?
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Thessaloniki bombings
I don't know what exactly was POV pushing about my post. The Thessaloniki bombings of 1903 are a very important part of the city's history. Are you suggesting that it should not be included simply because the "IMRO" is mentioned? I have seen some nationalist users engage is such activity before, but I don't think you're one of them. Anyway, you can read more about the Thessaloniki bombings in "Salonica: A City of Ghosts" by Mark Mazower, there is large section on it. The goal of the bombers was to draw attention from the Great Powers of the time over Ottoman oppression in Macedonia. Apart from blowing up the bank (a significant landmark of the city today), and the French ship, the group also had plans to attack the post office, the city's power generating plant, and several cafes on the water front. Their actions were so significant that the Ottomans declared marshal law on the city and a curfew was introduced. So now your're telling me that this is not relevant to the city's history??? Bakersdozen77 (talk) 03:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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Η επιγραφη "στη Θεσσαλονικη, κορη του Φιλιππου" που ανεβασες υπαρχει στο μουσειο Θεσσαλονικης? Αν ναι, καλο θα ταν να το προσθεσουμε Greco22 (talk) 17:14, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Νομιζω ειναι σημαντικο διοτι λεει στον αναγνωστη οτι ειναι απο μουσειο της Θεσσαλονικης. Πχ μπορει να το δει καποιος και να του κανει εντυπωση. Αν δει και οτι ειναι σε μουσειο στη Θεσσαλονικη, μπορει να αποφασισει να το επισκεπτει, ποιος ξερει. Ειδικα τωρα που η Ελλαδα ειναι οπως ειναι οικονομικα...

Για τις φωτογραφιες δεν κοιταξα τι ειδους αρχειο ειναι. Απλα μου φανηκε πχ η εικονα της παναγια χαλκαιων που εβαλα πιο καθαρη και ζωντανη απτην προηγουμενη. Μηπως ειναι θεμα υπολογιστη? διοτι ειμαι σε φορητο Greco22 (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

National Emblem of Greece
Dear Philly boy92, I see you are interested in the Greek Emblem. However, I am pretty sure that emblem should be displayed as the correct one. Neither the ΦΕΚ nor the Greek passports do they indicate any circles around the emblem in its simplest form. I imagine you have taken your last design from presidency.gr but I would not trust them very much. Indeed, I think that the encircled emblem is used by the ministries in their seals. So, I suggest we simply inverse the emblems. Dimboukas (talk) 18:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Thessaloniki
You seem to be an influential editor of Thessaloniki. Why not contribute to the current discussion on the talk page? Bakersdozen77 (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Philly boy92, Ευχαριστώ για τις παρατηρήσεις σου για τη σελίδα του Μακεδονία TV. Παρ'όλα αυτά θα ήθελα αν επισημάνω τα εξής:
 * Τα Greeklish χρησιμοποιήθηκαν καθώς δεν υπάρχει αντίστοιχος τίτλος στα Αγγλικά. Παρ'όλα αυτά βοήθησα βάζοντας έναν τίτλο ο οποίος παραπέμπει στον αντίστοιχο Ελληνικό.
 * Η πηγή είναι αξιόπιστη όσο δε γίνεται. Δουλεύω στο δημιουργικό του Μακεδονία TV και απο εμάς βγαίνει όλο το υλικό. Στη διάθεσή σου για οποιοδήποτε τρόπο διασταύρωσης.
 * Αν κάπου φάνηκε 'διαφημιστικό' το άρθρο, ελεύθερα να το διορθώσουμε απο κοινού μιας και η δικιά σου εμπειρία είναι μεγαλύτερη στον τρόπο σύνταξης. Παρ'όλα αυτά όμως διαφωνώ με τη ριζική αλλαγή του σε κείμενο που δεν συμφωνεί τουλάχιστο με την εταιρία που αναφέρεται.
 * Είναι το original logo το οποίο αλλάχτηκε στις αρχές του 2014 και παίζει ήδη στο πρόγραμμα του Μακεδονία TV. Λόγω περιορισμού στο δυναμικό μας δεν έχει αλλαχτεί ακόμη στο website.
 * Είμαι ανοιχτός στο πως θα μπορούσε να μπεί πιο σωστά το logo.

Παρακαλώ πολύ στο εξής να μη απορρίπτεις τις αλλαγές που κάνω (gas75) εκτός κι αν παραβαίνουν (απο λάθος) τους κανόνες της Wikipedia (π.χ. διαφημιστικά) Είμαι στη διάθεσή σου να διασταυρώσεις τα λεγόμενά μου ως επίσημος αντιπρόσωπος του καναλιού Μακεδονία TV.

Με εκτίμηση Κώστας Αρβανιτίδης Gas75 (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Καλησπέρα και πάλι, Ευχαριστώ για τον χρόνο που διαθέτεις. Έχω να παρατηρήσω τα εξής:
 * Συμφωνώ απόλυτα με τις παρατηρήσεις για τα 'greeklish' καιθα διορθώσω το κείμενο όπως χρειάζεται.
 * Το logo που επιμένεις να χρησιμοποιείς ειναι έτσι κι αλλιώς λάθος. Ούτε παραπέμπει στο προηγούμενο logo του σταθμού μας. Ακόμη και αυτό που έχει παραμείνει στο web είναι διαφορετικό απο αυτό που παρουσιάζεται στη σελίδα της Wikipedia (διαφορετικά gradient). Αποτελεί παραποίηση του πραγματικού logo. Πόσο μάλιστα του current logo. Αν έχεις σχέση με γραφιστική θα καταλάβεις τι εννοώ.
 * Τα πνευματικά δικαιώματα του logo είναι προφανώς του δημιουργού και της εταιρίας που αντιπροσωπεύει.
 * Οι εκφράσεις όπως επιτυχημένο κτλ. συμφωνώ οτι αποτελούν διαφήμιση και ορθώς έπρεπε να διορθωθούν. Αλλά διόρθωση και όχι ριζική αλλαγή σε παλιότερο κείμενο το οποίο πιο πολύ βασίζεται στη γεωγραφική θέση του καναλιού και όχι στο ίδιο το κανάλι
 * Σε ένδειξη καλής θέλησης αφήνω στη δικιά σου κίνηση να επιστρέψει το προηγούμενο κείμενο ως είχε, αλλά φυσικά χωρίς τα διαφημιστικά κείμενα.

Ευχαριστώ για τη καλή συνεργασία. Κώστας Αρβανιτίδης Gas75 (talk) 14:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Aegean Airlines
Regarding the article for Aegean Airlines

Aegean Airlines' website is outdated: It does not include SX-DGN and SX-DGP in its fleet count, these planes fly for Aegean.

Same goes for the airline's destinations. The reason I cited Olympic Air's website is that it says the fly to 18 destinations (see Olympic Air destinations). So, for example, Lemnos may not be on Aegean's website list of destinations because it started less than a couple of months ago. (Further proof that the airline's website is outdated). 55 is the number of destinations served by Aegean Airlines as you can see here: Aegean Airlines destinations

I understand that you prefer the official website of the airline as a source but on this occasion the website is not well maintained.

I am not going to revert the article to its previous form myself to avoid editwarring, if you find my message convincing please do so yourself, otherwise we can discuss it :)

Thakaran 14:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The domestic destinations not accounted for are 4: Cephalonia, Kavala, Lemnos, Samos.
 * The international destinations are 9: Tirana, Sofia, Strasbourg, Hanover, Bucharest, Belgrade, Stockholm, Manchester and one London airport (since 2 are served).
 * Rostov is accounted for although it was last served in 2012 and is therefore not included in our count in Wikipedia until it resumes in 2014.
 * 43 + 4 domestic + 9 international - 1 (Rostov) = 55
 * Thakaran 15:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Ancient Macedonia
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The Consusnus has been cancelled and there is an Official Request for Comment now. Thanks Stevepeterson (talk) 02:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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