User talk:Sarasin~enwiki

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Zuumedia
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شبكة
The operators of Shabaka (domain name), the dotShabaka Registry, have chosen to transliterate it that way. Please do not keep adding your personal and unreferenced opinion to the article. I know why you're doing it, incidentally. As an administrator I'm able to see the deleted promotional article that you created in 2008. —  Scott  •  talk  12:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC) '''Just noticed what you did here. Do not edit other people's talk page comments. —  Scott  •  talk  21:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)'''

I'm not sure why you think you know why I'm doing this however I am an authoritive reference resource on it. 1. It is my family name and 2. If you knew Arabic then you would know that the correct translation is shabka, not shabaka. There is no extra 'a' in it. It is deliberately being mis-spelled by them as they registered shabaka.net and couldn't get shabka.com and shabka.net as I have them and we use them for family email. We are authoritive, they are NOT! They are attempting to change the word in English and my family name.

In fact, type shabaka into google or wikipedia and see what comes up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabaka or http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/shabaka. Absolutely no reference to net or network except in press as pertains to the new tld from quotes referecning te company http://www.dotshabaka.com/ which registered the tld. Type in shabka and you see something completely different. Shabka means, net, network, ring, band (as in wedding band), circle, link, unity.

Other references: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R44VRnNCzAYC&pg=PA533&lpg=PA533&dq=shabka+meaning&source=bl&ots=xofV1VE41Z&sig=ny9EAvLWKNvCFPvj7ua8D9tl5kg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7oUdU-mQKaHe7AaGiIG4Bw&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=shabka%20meaning&f=false https://www.facebook.com/shabka.infonet http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aCVVAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA543&lpg=PA543&dq=shabka+meaning&source=bl&ots=mTuLqrfpjK&sig=Bvac6ZpRs17077dcrFXhQ4YrPrw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aYcdU-3jHYyV7AbI0IGYDQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=shabka%20meaning&f=false http://www.shabka.org/

The title spelling needs changing as well but I can't do that, you'll need to.

As regards the article in 2008, it was no different then many other articles describing a company such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IYogi or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_%28service%29. It was not promoting anything, simply giving details of a company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarasin (talk • contribs) 10:21, 10 March 2014‎
 * Hi. Firstly, please sign your comments by typing  ~  after them.
 * Thanks for publicly acknowledging what I was alluding to, namely that your family name is Shabka.
 * None of what you say above changes the fact that the dotShabaka registry have chosen to transliterate (not translate, as you put in your last edit) the Arabic letters as "shabaka". We are obliged to report the official transliteration of the people who invented and maintain this TLD. If you dispute the transliteration, your argument is with them - you can't change the situation by editing a Wikipedia article about it. Consequently, I've once again undone your change to the article. I suggest that you look at the phonetics section of our article varieties of Arabic and rethink your position on "correct" transliterations, and consider whether a company located in a Gulf Arabic region should be expected to transliterate their TLD in a way that doesn't match their own language variant.
 * You also need to read our policy on reliable sources before making any further edits - your personal opinion does not count. You would need to find a reliable source that specifically states that the transliteration of the TLD شبكة into English is "shabka". As that is not the policy of the TLD's maintainers - such as this person explaining it for an official ICANN video - it's unlikely that you will. —  Scott  •  talk  15:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I still do not understand what you were 'alluding' to but as regards the rest of what you say, it makes no sense. So if I put up a youtube video stating that it is shabka instead of shabaka that would change things? My family is from the Middle East, all their documents are written as شبكة in Arabic and shabka in English - has been for longer than the 'Gulf' existed. Are you saying that people from the Gulf region can somehow override these and change definitions and spellings of Arabic words that are from Egypt, Lebannon and Palestine not the Gulf? It is an Arabic word, not a Gulf word! As regards resources, I pointed out wikepdia's own definition of shabaka, why are you ignoring that - surely your own resource outweighs someone on youtube? The only resources you have for the current 'definition' are all coming from references from one company in the Gulf All the google references to shabaka are for something different, or are you ignoring these as well? This page is what is not correctly referenced. If this Gulf company wanted to create a new word, cool, but they aren't, they are changing an existing word that is not a 'Gulf' word and yes, my Middle Eastern family, wikipedia and google have more authority than a company in the Gulf on this. 86.150.238.232 (talk) 17:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Nabil

As well as wikipedia and google I thought I'd make it even easier for you with few more links - including the press' spelling of my father's name who's a prof at the AUC (American University of Cairo). http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/27/egyptian-electoral-process-a-political-frankenstein/

E.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam 1913-1936 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GpQ3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=shabka+network&source=bl&ots=w-fUbzfIXr&sig=8v01kHN_04_zqn0PAmjPcBC8AgA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VgQeU6DAK4XU4wTg0IHIDw&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCDge#v=onepage&q=shabka%20network&f=false

De Lafayette Mega Encyclopedia of Anunnaki, Ulema-Anunnaki, Their ..., Volume 2 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aCVVAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA543&lpg=PA543&dq=shabka+meaning&source=bl&ots=mTuLqrfpjK&sig=Bvac6ZpRs17077dcrFXhQ4YrPrw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aYcdU-3jHYyV7AbI0IGYDQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=shabka%20meaning&f=false

Historical Dictionary of the Berbers (Imazighen) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0E8qp_k515oC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=shabka+network&source=bl&ots=qBXixWuL7J&sig=NV33dlyEMAOeokp2WVhItMox3NY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4QMeU_zUJqu34wTOzoHQCw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=shabka%20network&f=false

They cannot 'transliterate' when there is already a direct 'translation' already in use!! I expect the title to be changed to shabka to be correct. Scott, I realise you don't know Arabic which puts you in an awkward spot but we do and I trust after you've checked these links you'll see that, wikipedia, google, E.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam 1913-1936, Historical Dictionary of the Berbers (Imazighen), De Lafayette Mega Encyclopedia of Anunnaki, Ulema-Anunnaki, Volume 2 and an entire family can't be wrong and that 1 company in the Gulf (with no references but themselves at all) be right. They are trying to change a name to suit their purposes. Sarasin (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC) Nabil
 * Before I start, please note that you do links to websites like this (if you don't specify a title, it will appear with a number - ) and to articles like this - Example. Now, several points.
 * Transliteration and translation are two different things.
 * Those links you provided only demonstrate that some sources transliterate شبكة into English as "shabka". They do not address the different pronunciation of the word in varying Arabic dialects, and certainly do not imply that there is a single, "correct" transliteration into Latin script. Your "expectation" will not be fulfilled on that basis. That a source simply uses the word in one form isn't enough; you would need to find a source specifically discussing the word and its English transliteration. You also can't use separate sources addressing the different forms to draw a general conclusion in the article; that's synthesis, which we don't allow.
 * "Shabaka" is a transliteration that exists in dictionaries., ,.
 * It's not only a Khaleeji usage. For examplle, the Arab Network for NGOs, in Cairo, has its website at shabakaegypt.org.
 * That we have an article about a pharaoh called Shabaka is irrelevant. Our articles do not uniquely determine the status of words. Wikipedia is not a dictionary.
 * Your family does not meet our standards as a reliable source, nor is how it chooses to spell its name a fact that could be referenced in any of our articles or one that would have any effect on this article.
 * People are allowed to speak and write in their own dialect, whether you personally like it or not. These people have named their business after a transliteration of the way that they pronounce it. If you wanted the TLD to be pronounced "shabka" and likewise written that way in Latin letters, well, maybe you should have set the business up yourself.
 * Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought where you can present your personal theory about the company's motivation for their choice of transliteration.
 * By the way, you should try not to make assumptions about the people that you speak to. Not that it's really any of your business, but I speak a smattering of Khaleeji-flavored Modern Standard Arabic, and Classic Arabic, with even a bit of Yemeni Arabic here and there. However, it doesn't require me being a language expert to point out that there is no "correct" way to represent Arabic words in Latin script form. I recommend that you spend some time reading Romanization of Arabic. —  Scott  •  talk  09:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Been a bit busy but have some time now.

Your apparent determination to promote a local colloquial pronunciation of a word and its mis-transliteration into English, based on this khaleeji colloquial pronunciation, as its tried and true usage, is certainly puzzling. It does make me wonder what possible interest you could have in promoting this erroneous information.

Perhaps you will be better able grasp how flawed you approach is if you take note of the fact that I wrote khaleeji rather than khaleegi, the latter being a reflection of the Egyptian pronunciation, but the former a transliteration of the more common usage.

In the Middle East, shabka is the commonly used and historical pronunciation of this word, which is an old word and is used in Egypt and other countries as a family and company name as well as having the meanings I have provided for you. Since khaleeji exposure the wider world, to the rest of the Middle East and to the beginning of attempts to promote universal literacy in The Khaleej go back only to the 1950s, shabaka cannot be seen as anything more than a reflection of khaleeji dialect. The Khaleeji people are perfectly entitled to their dialect and to their local pronunciation of shabka and, but they cannot change the already common transliteration, and nor can you, without reference to the historical and more commonly used pronunciation and transliteration of the word. Please reacquaint yourself with the Wikipedia rules http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English). As for its usage having spread somewhat, this is explained by the social, cultural, and psychological changes that have been wrought in citizens of more northern Middle Eastern countries in recent years due to the influence of the khaleeji new-found wealth. Any social scientist with expertise in the Middle East would be able to explain this to you.

My family name, its pronunciation and transliteration into English, as well as the variety of its meanings connected to “net” have historic origins and are in common use. And yes, seeing attempts being made to invalidate it by you and people who are possibly annoyed that they cannot use shabka.net as their domain name (as I already own it), is very troubling. Perhaps you can better appreciate what I am saying if you can imagine what your own reaction would be to having your own name changed to Martini or Maritin, for example. You can’t change the name Harrison to Arrison as that’s the way some people happen to say it.

Your submission at Articles for creation: shabka (March 17)
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shabka vs shabaka
I noticed your changes here: regarding the spelling we should be using for this domain and, presumably, the title of the article.

If you would like to pursue trying to get this changed, the best way to proceed is to start a requested move discussion, as the change appears to be somewhat controversial. That way, you and other editors will have the opportunity to discuss the evidence for each choice, and additional uninvolved editors will be more likely to weigh in on the discussion. While there are instructions on the page I just linked, if you have any difficulty with them, I'd be happy to assist you in starting the process--just let me know by leaving a note on my talk page. Thanks! --j⚛e deckertalk 16:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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