User talk:Sarastro1/Archive 11

Arthur Gould (rugby union) at FAC
Hey. I know you wanted me to let you know when we nominated Arthur Gould (rugby union) at FAC. We finally feel ready, so the nom. has been started at Featured article candidates/Arthur Gould (rugby union)/archive1. -- Shudde  talk 23:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

John Gielgud
As you kindly made comments when I had Ralph Richardson up for peer review, I wonder if I can interest you in the peer review for his great colleague? No obligation, naturally, but very glad of your thoughts if you have time and inclination to look in. Tim riley (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

FAC2
As you participated in the first FAC for Jim Thome, I wanted to let you know the second is underway. Thank you.  Go  Phightins  !  22:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Several other editors have commented, if you wouldn't mind taking a closer look. Thanks.  Go  Phightins  !  19:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations again...
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Bobby Peel to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. BencherliteTalk 10:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll add my congratulations, having just returned from a short break. But I still think that saying "the Yorkshire team was generally inconsistent", and "their results were mixed" is saying the same thing twice. Agreed, a team can be consistently good, or it can be consistently bad. But if it is "generally inconsistent", that can only mean that its results are sometimes good, sometimes bad, i.e. its results are "mixed". I've not checked to see if this wording is still in the text, but I honestly don't think it should be. However, I'll leave it with you – it barely detracts from an excellent article. Brianboulton (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Zim hockey team FAC
Hi Sarastro, just a note to let you know that I have a new article up at FAC: the Zim hockey team at the 1980 Moscow Olympics that won gold against all the odds. This article is short and fun, a little bit of a "holiday" between heavier projects, but that doesn't mean I didn't work on it to the same standards! ;) Anyway, the nomination is here if you have a few minutes to take a look. Cheers! And let me know when you are interested in taking D'Olly the final mile and I'll devote more of my attention in that direction. All the very best, keep well —Cliftonian (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Imogen Holst
My preoccupation for the past few weeks, now up and running at PR. When you have a few minutes to spare from Dolly, comments and suggestions will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Just letting the faithful peer-reviewers know that I've nominated IH at FAC. Brianboulton (talk) 21:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

D'Oliveira affair
I looked at the article yesterday and didn't notice anything that stuck out enough for me to comment on. This doesn't happen often before an article even reaches FAC, but it looks clean to me. That said, I'm sure the others will point out some things that I missed, because that almost always happens. Please let me know when the article reaches FAC. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 01:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

D'Olly promoted to FA
Woo! Very well done Sarastro on this really fine article. You did a great job and I feel really flattered that you let me be a co-nominator for it. I enjoyed working on this with you very much and would be very happy to work together again in the future. Cheers, keep well and have a great weekend! =) —Cliftonian (talk) 15:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Stop the '70 Tour sounds like a more prominent subject than the Sobers–Rhodesia incident and it would work as quite a nice "sequel" to the D'Olly affair. And we might work in a reference to the Rhodesia visit near the end!! ;). But what would the article be called? Did the campaign have an official name, like "Stop the '70 Tour"? Or would we have to use some long unwieldy name? —Cliftonian (talk)</b></b> 16:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course we could just name the article after what the tour would have been called had it occurred, then start the article by saying it was a cancelled tour. <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 16:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Robey PR
Firstly, congratulations on your recent FA; a fine job and an article both you and Cliftonian should be proud of. Now I come cap in hand. Another old music hall pro has wound up at peer review. Sir George was, IMO, the last of the great four personalities ever to grace the English music hall stage (the others being Leno, Lloyd and Tich) and it would be great to have him up there with the best of them. I would love it if you could offer some comments when you can spare the time. Cassianto talk 15:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Fuck thank you
Thanks for your formatting help with the FA promotion of Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties.

Much appreciated,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, this may be my favourite ever section title. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of D'Oliveira affair to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks.

Incidentally, you (and your talk-page stalkers) might like to know that the TFA nominations has changed. For an experimental period, nominators no longer have to worry about calculating how many "points" the article has. In addition, there is a new (and hopefully easy-to-use) nomination procedure, using a pre-filled template much like DYK. All feedback on the new system is welcome. BencherliteTalk 10:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

George Robey
If, as I hear rumoured, you are going to look in at Cassianto's peer review of this article may I ask you to run a swift eye over my comments on the PR page. There are three separate comments from me on cricketing matters, and it would be good if someone who actually knew what he was talking about were to check my inexpert comments. I think you will enjoy the article – a crackingly good read. Tim riley (talk) 20:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

FAC closing
Bless you for taking on the mind-numbing work of manually closing FACs missed by the bot! I saw that Lego is working on a replacement bot, and have offered to help with that in any way needed. Hopefully we'll have much more reliable coverage in the near future. In the meantime, if you have any questions or run into strange cases, drop a note on my talk page or ping me and I'll take a look. Thank you so much for helping! Maralia (talk) 04:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

FAC needing attention
Since you have commented at Featured article candidates/Jim Thome/archive2, I thought you might have an interest in baseball and be willing to comment at Featured article candidates/Orel Hershiser's scoreless innings streak/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:20, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

PR
Hi Sarastro, hope you are not embroiled in any controversies at the moment. I've put D. Djajakusuma up for PR at Peer review/D. Djajakusuma/archive1, and I would be most obliged if you could take a look. As usual, I'll be happy to take a swing at any pitches you've got headed for the wicket. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Propaganda
Saw this and thought you might approve. Tim riley (talk) 08:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As a neutral, I'd like to say for me this Lancashire version wins because of the Salford pizza delivery alone. Poetry in motion. <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 17:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Very nice! But it isn't propaganda. The simple truth. Plain fact. (Although I expect much better of Cliftonian than making such silly comments as this...The poor boy must be unwell, or confused, or ...something. We'll forgive and forget this time...) Sarastro1 (talk) 19:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yorkshire does win by some distance on food in my book, if that's any consolation. <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 09:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Dickie Bird?
I am visiting my mother this week and today came across my brother's copy of Dickie Bird's autobiography in the room I am staying in. I am not so into cricket these days but Dickie was a childhood favourite of mine and it occurred to me that as a prominent Yorkshire cricketing figure who also spent some years in southern Africa he might be a good subject for us to work on together. I am feeling rather fatigued after a few heavyweight subjects and the frivolity of the 1980 hockey team hasn't really helped much, so I would enjoy something like that. I am on holiday for a few more days so don't feel any rush to get back to me on this but I just thought I'd let you know so you can think about it. Just a thought. Thanks and I hope you're well—Happy Easter. <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 16:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Wanted: Comments on FAC
Hey Sarastro. After about 10 different copyedits since I last bugged you, I finally took the plunge and nom'd Larry Doby for FAC, available here. Any comments you can provide would be much appreciated. Wizardman 18:57, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Took me much longer than I had anticipated, but I've now resolved all your comments. Thanks for the review! Wizardman  23:07, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

PR request?
Hi Sarastro, was wondering if you could have a look at 1998 FA Charity Shield and leave a few comments on its PR here? It's currently a GA, but I think the prose could be tightened. Lemonade51 (talk) 22:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Bill Bowes
My apologies. I've been working on Bowes this week and, having just scanned the pages that link to the article, I see he is in your to-do list. I think I've gone too far to pull out now so I hope you won't mind my intrusion as the history indicated no one was actively interested. I would of course welcome any points or guidance you can raise.

I see you are currently involved with "Sir" as Fred used to call him, except to his face...... . All the best. Jack | talk page 19:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Just been reading the Sir article and I reckon you are right. Look at File:Bodyline Team.jpg and there is a definite likeness between Plum and Sir. This is a really good article. By the way, I'm going to pinch the image as Lofty is in it. Jack | talk page 20:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The Gentlemen and Players book, is that the one by Charles Williams as I bought that a year or so ago? I'll dig it out again. Herbert Sutcliffe's biography has a lot of Bowes references too. All the best. Jack | talk page 13:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Gubby Allen
I'm around, but my availability is going to be limited until the weekend, so I'm probably not going to make it until then. Gubby is going to get a review from me at some point, though. And please don't worry about it being too long for me. I've got one that I'm working on in hopes of making the GA/FA rounds later this year, and that's going to be even longer than Gubby even after I wipe out some recentism. In a month or two, don't be surprised if I ask for a talk page review for a change. Until then, I'm as well as ever and happy to lend my eyes. Hopefully this PR will be like the last one. :-) Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper peer review
Hi, Sarastro. I've put Sgt. Pepper up at peer review and I would appreciate any comments and/or suggestions you have for improving the article in preparation for FAC. Cheers! GabeMc (talk&#124;contribs)  16:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm notifying editors who commented at the Sgt. Pepper peer review to inform them that I've nomed the article at FAC. GabeMc  (talk&#124;contribs)  18:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Quid pro quo?
While I am busy with gruesome Gubby, could you return the favour with the equally distasteful Thorpe affair, a fond memory of those innocent days just before the  arrival of Thatcher? In particular, any suggestions for adding to the images would be greatly appreciated. The problem is that both Thorpe and Scott are still alive, and there are no "free" pics, which leaves me with some rather anodyne location shots (you could always hire someone to assassinate Scott—or Thorpe for that matter). Brianboulton (talk) 17:01, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Robey now at FAC
Greetings, just a note to let you know of Sir George's FAC which has just been listed. Thanks again for all your help at the PR! Cassianto talk 09:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Cheers for the closing of the FAC SarastroBot ;) Cassianto talk 14:13, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

PR Request
Hi Sarastro, hope all is well. I've got Union Films up at PR here and was wondering if you could be so kind as to review. Don't be afraid to ping me once Gubby's up at FAC, BTW. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thorpe affair
Just a courtesy note to inform peer reviewers that Thorpe affair has been nominated at FAC. Brianboulton (talk) 18:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Good article candidate
I'm not sure if you go in for reviewing at GAN, but if you are so inclined I see Sachin Tendulkar is up for scrutiny. Rather beyond my frail grasp of the game, but I wondered if it might appeal to you. (I had forgotten he played county cricket for your shower, incidentally.)  Tim riley  talk    18:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Pope Paul III and his Grandsons
Hullo. Would you mind revisiting the FAC for this; your observations were sound, and I hope now met. Tks. Ceoil (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Gubby Allen to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR (specific and non-specific date slots) and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. BencherliteTalk 18:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Okęcie
Hi Sarastro, I hope you are well. I see you were the GA reviewer for the Okęcie Airport incident article a couple years ago (that funny Polish one with the drunk goalie), so I thought I'd drop you a line to let you know the article is now up for FA status. If you're interested your thoughts would as always be more than welcome. Thanks and I hope you're keeping well! Cheers <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 23:46, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I too hope you are well. Your sudden absence from our pages is a bit worrying, and I hope all is OK.  Tim riley  talk    19:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd like to echo those sentiments. JH (talk page) 20:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm alive and well, but some other things have been keeping me occupied, as well as other real life stuff. In addition, I've been a bit stale recently, so I'm taking a bit of a break. I'm still around, I keep an eye on this page, and am available for anything like reviews, etc. Just don't expect anything too quickly! Sarastro1 (talk) 20:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Precious again
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Thank you for quality articles on cricketers, such as the first black West Indian George Headley (suggested as TFA), and for thorough copy-editing, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC) Two years ago, you were the 257th recipient of my  Pumpkin Sky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Echoed from me :-) Cassianto talk 19:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Today's featured article/requests/George Headley for his birthday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Crawford
Thanks for the link. I knew about the series, but not that it was now freely available online. Back in the late 1990s, Peter Griffith actually invited me to review one or two volumes in the series (even though I wasn't an ACS member), and I'm afraid that those are the only ones that I actually own as I got review copies and didn't have to pay for them! One was about Fred Tate, I recall. Back then, they tended to be heavily statistics based, with not much about the player's personal life. I don't know if that's still the case. JH (talk page) 08:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take a look at the article tomorrow. JH (talk page) 21:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've now looked at your latest additions. Reading what Hart has to say, I can't help seeing parallels to the KP affair. He seems to have been a similar sort of character. I suppose Leweson Gower is the equivalent of Cook, and Lord Alverstoke of Paul Downton, though I don't see a parallel for Andy Flower! A couple of thoughts follow. There may be more once I've had a chance to reread the whole article:

There was some controversy over his eligibility to play; New South Wales initially protested, but Victoria had previously decided to ignore a rule which required a three-month qualification period, and the New South Wales Cricket Association (NSWCA) Executive Committee accepted this, to the displeasure of the full NSWCA. That's slightly confusingly worded. Does it mean: There was some controversy over his eligibility to play; New South Wales initially protested, but Victoria had previously decided to ignore a rule which required a three-month qualification period, and the New South Wales Cricket Association (NSWCA) Executive Committee had accepted this, to the displeasure of the full NSWCA, thus setting a precedent.? (Suggested added words in bold. I'm assuming that the displeasure of the full NSWCA was regarding the Victoria occasion that had set the precedent, rather than about the Crawford case.)

It is unclear what his role was at this time; he seems to have had no official cricketing role and it is possible he worked as a teacher simply to maintain his amateur status. Not clear what is meant by "role" here.

JH (talk page) 09:26, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, either Alverstoke was not as powerful as he has generally been portrayed or else he was less reactionary regarding the place of professionals. I've just looked up on CricketArchive the matches in which Tom Hayward captained Surrey and there were a surprising number: 2 in 1905, 2 in 1909 (including that match against the Australians), 2 in 1913, and as many as 9 in 1914. I don't think that either Rhodes or Sutcliffe was ever named as captain of Yorkshire when the regular captain was unavailable, were they, even though they were comparable in experience and the respect in which they were held to Hayward? JH (talk page) 10:41, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


 * One more thing. In his book Cricketers of My Times A.A. Thomson mentions that he was present at the Oval on the day in 1919 when Crawford and Hobbs had their famous opening partnership against the clock. I'm undecided whether it's worth quoting in the article some of what he says about it. He mentions "a steamy drizzle and horrid light" (which could well have handicapped the bowlers (wet ball) and fielders more than the batsman, I guess). He writes: "...there was no swiping, no thrashing about. The hitting was as deadly and as precise as machine-gun fire; the placing might have been the work of two snooker players of world class. There seemed to be nothing that the fielders could do." That's from p122. JH (talk page) 17:32, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I've finished going through the article now. I've made a few changes, almost all very minor, and also mentioned one point on the Talk page. One other thought. You refer to Hart writing of him: Hart comments: "Crawford's financial dealings with the SACA reveal him both as mercenary and as an awkward 'cuss'. The latter aspect of his personality needs to be taken into account lest he be considered merely an establishment victim in his parting with Surrey. I wonder if some of that ought to be brought forward into the section dealing with the dispute with Surrey to give a better balance. I know that Benny Green became a noted cricket historian, but some of what you've quoted of his strikes me as being very partisan on the side of Crawford. JH (talk page) 18:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! You're very generous, as you've done at least 90% of the work. JH (talk page) 19:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

"And it's now passed FA." Yes, I saw that. Congratulations! :) "Thanks for all your help on this one." My pleasure. I wonder if the minutes from the Surrey committee meetings in 1909 survive. They would probably make interesting reading. JH (talk page) 16:23, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep. If I understand Wikipedia's policies correctly, we wouldn't actually be able to use them for Crawford's article, as it would count as a primary source and/or original research. JH (talk page) 18:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * There might be something in the 1910 Surrey Yearbook (which I don't have), though I imagine it would only give the committee's view of things. Another possibility might be the review of Surrey's season in the 1910 Wisden (which again I don't own), assuming that then - as now - each county's section was preceded by a brief review of the season. And of course the press of the period is likely to have had something; no doubt favouring the committee in The Times, The Daily Telegraph and The Cricketer, but possibly taking Crawford's side in the more "down market" newspapers. But all this is just idle speculation on my part, as I don't intend actually to do anything. JH (talk page) 09:47, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Crawford review
Great to see you back! I'll try to look at the article over the weekend. Also, I'm glad that your favorite teams are doing better than mine. At least somebody has a title to celebrate. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 17:14, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Cardus and Rhodes
"The Yorkshire captain was not a good cricketer though a very nice man—an amateur of course, for even Yorkshire continued to observe the custom that no first-class county team should be captained by a professional; even Yorkshire carried a "passenger" for the sake of social distinction. But he was a figurehead; the leadership was a joint dictatorship: Rhodes and [Emmott] Robinson." – from Cardus, Autobiography, p. 154 (publication details as per the Cardus article).

It seems very likely that the "Wilfred's declared" story comes initially from Cardus, but it's not in the autobiographies and I can't remember where I first read it. It is of course quoted, second-hand, in the Rhodes article. Brianboulton (talk) 22:24, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

And now, a review request
Not, I'm afraid, a cricketer, a music hall artist, or even a French composer, but...a politician! Peer review/Ellen Wilkinson/archive1. More interesting than many, I think, and I'd be very glad to have your comments. Brianboulton (talk) 23:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

The Surrey Poet
Yes, I created the Albert Craig article. When I clicked on the link that you provided it asked me for a username and password, so I'd be very grateful if you'd email me the article. (I'm sure that when CricketArchive first made the Cricketer archive available a year or so ago that it was freely accessible, but I suppose that was too good to last.) JH (talk page) 16:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Wilkinson
Just a note to thank peer reviewers and let them know that I've now closed the review and opened an FAC page here. Brianboulton (talk) 22:28, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

PR request
Hi Sarastro, I was wondering if you could take the time to review September Morn, which is up for review at Peer review/September Morn/archive1. As this article has been controversial in the past, I'd understand if you didn't feel up to it. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Peer review request for Dave Gallaher
Hey Saratro. Understand you get a lot of these requests but I've put Dave Galaher up for peer review and would greatly appreciate any comments you have here. You're feedback, especially on prose, is always very valuable. Cheers. -- Shudde  talk 07:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Fancy a bit of Eng Lit?
If so, Peer review/A Handful of Dust/archive1 awaits. I regret that due to an obvious oversight there's no cricket in it. I will of course await my turn. Brianboulton (talk) 13:32, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you're around at the moment, but if you are, the article is now at FAC. Brianboulton (talk) 22:35, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
A Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones, Sarastro, and a very Happy New Year! Enjoy yourself and have a really great one. Peace on Earth and goodwill to all men. Love from all the Asher household. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  10:09, 19 December 2014 (UTC)