User talk:Sarastro1/Archive 4

RE: Boycs
Unfortunately I have no ho0me internet right now (moved house) so am unable to participate, but anything you see fit to add would be great! :) --S.G.(GH) ping! 12:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Couple of comments
Hey,

Thanks for your help so far on the Hewett FAC. I've been contemplating withdrawing the nomination, and maybe working a bit more on the article at my leisure. It's pretty clear there are a fair few issues on the article, some of them more than simple copy-editing. The additions by Nigej, though useful have made a process a bit tricky due to his lack of availability at the moment. I'll have to give him a nudge. Do you think it is worth continuing with at FAC at the moment? One of my worries is that I've been feeling quite under the weather of late, and it is inhibiting the amount of time I can spend online.

Anyway - apart from that, I was looking at the good work you are doing at Yorkshire County Cricket Club, and just thought I'd mention that I updated the table for players at Somerset County Cricket Club to a version that in my opinion looks a bit better, and doesn't use those slightly 'jargonny' abbreviations. Thought you might take a look and let me know which you think is better (or even some combination of them both).

That's about all for now.

Regards,  Harrias  talk 21:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, to be honest, I keep looking at doing more to Somerset CCC, but it's just going to be so much work that I keep wandering off on other projects. And in comparison to Yorkshire, Somerset have had a pretty quiet time of it! I'm definitely going to slice off the records section for Somerset, but will probably keep the information in a "List of Somerset first-class cricket records" or something like that. You know how I like my lists! If you want any help with tables at any stage, I'm more than willing to pop my head into any article or sandbox and have a play: I've become pretty handy with them over the past year. Though some are more annoying than others!  Harrias  talk 21:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Favor
Hi, I have a request for you, which you can turn down if you're busy. I'm currently reviewing Talk:Shakib Al Hasan/GA1, but am not up to going further with the review for two reasons. First, my time on wiki will be quite limited the next couple weeks and I've made the writer wait long enough. Second, it's a cricket article that uses quite a bit of jargon. While I imagine a cricket expert would have no problem handling it, I am struggling to get through it. If you're too busy then I'll do the best I can to wrap it up. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You can just do the full review; checking it, passing/failing, etc. Thanks, Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 16:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Irresistible (Jessica Simpson song) FAC
Hello Sarastro1! You might not know me, but I've seen your amazing work on Butterfly (Mariah Carey album). I have nominated the song article for a FA. Feel free to check it out here. Thank you. – Novice7 (talk) 12:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's okay. Thanks. — Novice7 (talk) 11:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Malmö FF FAC
Hi, thanks for your comments. I have replied on the FAC page. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I would just like to inform you that the article has been copyedited. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have replied to your comments on the FAC page. --Reckless182 (talk) 21:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Brabourne Stadium
Hiya,

I understand you contribute a lot to pre-WWII cricket articles. Im looking for help with an era just before-after (1937-1973) on Brabourne Stadium. Iv got enough info thereafter - however the previous era lacks information/sources.(what can be called Brabourne Stadium innings I because it dint hold international cricket between 1973 and 1989). Your inputs would be appreciated. Cheers, Around The Globe  सत्यमेव जयते 08:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

No issues mate, thanks anyways! Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 06:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Holiday
Hey mate, I'm off on holiday for a week, I'll still be able to get online from time to time, but it's obviously not going to be too high on my priority list. Would you possibly be able to keep an eye on Edward Sainsbury which is nominated at GA. Normally, I wouldn't worry, with it being so far down the list, but with the GA backlog sweep, and the fact people might want a quick resolution, I'm a little wary. Regards,  Harrias  talk 16:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do. Gathered together a few quotes for you from my books, don't know if they will be any help: User:Harrias/Verity quotes.  Harrias  talk 20:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Emailed you regarding the Hewett information. As for the Championship: I'd love for us to win it, really would. BUT, there is going to be so much hype surrounding Somerset cricket this year that I think it could negeatively affect the team. They've showed a weakness when it comes to crunch time over the past couple of seasons, and with so much pressure on them throughout the year, there is a serious worry that they'll underperform. I'm pretty worried about the loss of de Bruyn too. Although he never really caught the headlines, he was an experienced and adaptable player who could bring a slide back under control, especially as the team sometimes lost its head when Tresco fell cheaply. But, with Hildreth seemingly reaching his potential, and such talented youngsters... who knows!  Harrias  talk 22:31, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * So far, this definitely doesn't look our year! You read the Cricinfo write up on Day 3 (here) – it's painful. I was going to head down today, but will freely admit that I had no desire to watch the team crumble, so I stayed home. Still, early days, and I'm sure it was just an early wobble.  Harrias  talk 00:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

YCCC history
Hello. Apologies if I do this wrong though I suppose it is the same as an article talk page. I have made a proposal about using periodic overviews in the history sections of YCCC backed up by detailed supplementary articles specific to each period. I had the idea after seeing how star-rated football club articles are structured. KeithD has written to say he agrees with that approach but I am conscious that most of the historical input to the article has come from yourself and I believe you should have the main say. Thank you again for your helpful advice on how to understand the site. --Mykleavens (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

YCCC Presidents
Hello again. I had the idea of including a list of club presidents in YCCC but I'm not at all sure of the names or dates after Sir William Worsley died in 1973. Do you have a full list anywhere, by any chance?

I thought perhaps a list club secretaries would be equally useful given that it was formerly such an influential post. If you can help me there too, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks very much. --Mykleavens (talk) 18:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Wonderful. Don't worry about the tables as I am an IT specialist and I can easily sort that out.  I've noticed table layouts on the site before and they look very straightforward.  As it happens, the ManU article is one I have seen which is very good indeed and I have pinched one or two ideas from it already, particularly around the ownership, sponsorship and branding aspects, though I will need to work on that and I'm not sure if Yorkshire can be given the same treatment.  Thanks again.  --Mykleavens (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Walter Gilbert
I know that Benny Green compiled a number of anthologies of material taken from old Wisdens, but I haven't actually read any of them. BTW, I had a look in Simon Rae's biography of WG to see what he had to say about the Gilbert scandal. It runs to about three pages, but I didn't spot anything that absolutely demanded inclusion or that contradicted anything in the article. JH (talk page) 08:55, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Len Hutton
If we go by the URAA, then no, the copyright holders for the images for Hutton could act on their entitlements in the US. As Hutton is dead, one photograph to identify him could be used in compliance with WP:NFC/WP:NFCC (all 10 criteria). Any more would require contextual significance that cannot be expressed with words alone or a similar "free" image. Jappalang (talk) 16:00, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Walter Gilbert (cricketer)
Hello! Your submission of Walter Gilbert (cricketer) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Isaac Perrins
All done. Thanks very much for spending the time reviewing this article, the first that I have created from scratch. I'm starting to get the hang of what is expected by reviewers now & that can only be A Good Thing. - Sitush (talk) 19:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Walter Gilbert (cricketer)
I've finished the GA review now and it's on hold. Just a few relatively minor things to sort out. Malleus Fatuorum 21:58, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you clarify this for me? "By this time Gilbert faced financial difficulty as an amateur cricketer, most of whom were from a privileged background and professionals from the working class." That just doesn't make sense to me, unless it's talking about cricketers in general, not just amateurs. Ought it to be saying something like "By this time Gilbert faced financial difficulty as an amateur cricketer; most cricketers were either from a privileged background or professionals from the working class"? Or should that be "professionals from the middle class"? Either way, that most amateurs were professionals sits uneasily. Malleus Fatuorum 20:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

E. W. Bastard
Wondering if you have any sources with some more information on this lovely named chap. He seems to have been pretty effective in his time, although looking closely at his good performances, his wickets often seem to come against relatively weak opposition, so it's difficult to tell. Not much information seems to be around regarding his life outside of cricket, which is a pity, especially given his early death. I'm sure any information you might have will be cricket related, but I'll happily take any. I'd quite like to be able to include enough to get this to GA, but I'm not sure that'll be possible. Still, a nice article would be a bonus, with or without the green circle!  Harrias  talk 23:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not a great start for either of us: but then, noone has been too consistent so far, so there is still hope! Looking forward to the start of one-day cricket later today: but if we suck in this, I might give up on cricket! Speaking of which; my latest project has been something slightly different; an expansion of ice hockey player Ron Hextall. I've taken the article to a peer review, and have asked a few members of WP:HOCKEY for their input, as I'm sure I've gotten a few things wrong. However, it'd also be nice to get the viewpoint of someone without much hockey knowledge, and was wondering if you might be able to pop your head around the door? No worries if it's not your cup of tea though!  Harrias  talk 10:08, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review: I've responded to (if not acted upon) all of your queries and comments.  Harrias  talk 20:56, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, would appreciate your opinion on the DYK submission I made: T:TDYK. (I don't ask for much eh?)  Harrias  talk 20:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Gilbert (cricketer)
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

"Irresistible"
Thank you for your comments Sarastro. I have withdrawn the nomination for now. I was wondering if you could copy-edit it for me? Please?? I saw your amazing work on Butterfly. Thanks in advance. Novice7 (talk) 04:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Novice7 (talk) 03:45, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Wally Hammond
The given date is 1950, which is probably wrong, but as it is post 1946, this is not PD-US and cannot be used)


 * In regard to the removal "W.R.Hammond.png" from Wally Hammond why does it have to be PD-US if published in Australia? I have amended the template to


 * . The version I scanned was published in 1950 (though the picture is almost certainly pre-1947 as Hammond retired then). Philipjelley (talk) 23:47, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I have just read the template which came up, this wasn't on the Wikimedia commons. How does W.R.Hammond.png differ from Wally Hammond.jpg in regard to the US public domain? Philipjelley (talk) 23:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, 1924-25 Ashes series here I come, I have some books from pre-1946 :o) Philipjelley (talk) 13:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The pre-war articles aren't up to much, so it would be great if you could do something. Even the article on the 1932—33 article is not up to much (as opposed to the Bodyline article which is FA). --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * My own opinion is that the 1932-33 series cannot be fully understood without looking at those that preceeded it, namely 1920-21 and 1924-25 (when Gregory and MacDonald roughed up the English batsmen with their fast bowling) and 1928-29 (which first brought Jardine to Australia), so I will probably work my way up to 1932-33 as it will probably generate a fair amount of comment, then on to 1936-37.Philipjelley (talk) 20:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Headley
I have just seen that Headley was promoted to FA a couple of days ago. Congratulations, and good wishes for your next cricket biography. I still have a mind to do Larwood when time permits, but he is rather crowded out at the moment. Brianboulton (talk) 23:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can spare a little time, I'd be very pleased if you could look at Percy Grainger, now at peer review. I know this isn't your ususal field, but I am anxious to get some feedback from editors who are relatively unfamiliar with the subject matter. If you can get to it, make a point of listening to the soundfile and the soundlinks in the External links section. I don't know if Percy played or was interested in cricket, but as a proud Aussie he probably did and was. Brianboulton (talk) 18:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to update: I've sent Grainger to FAC now. Thanks again for your help with the PR. Brianboulton (talk) 23:57, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Jack Crawford
I'll read through the article later today. I'm afraid that I can't help with the illustrations, though. JH (talk page) 08:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

"He was particularly effective in the school's most important fixtures, taking 25 wickets in two games against rival schools." That reads rather oddly, since far more than two games would have been played against rival schools. I think it needs to say which two schools are being referred to. something like "He was particularly effective in the school's two most important fixtures, against A and B, taking 25 wickets." (A similar point applies a little later on.) If Benny Green doesn't say which schools they were, I think it can be worked out from the scorecards on CricketArchive. JH (talk page) 20:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the photo of the Oval pavilion, as it would have looked rather different in Crawford's day (no advertisements or big screen). A contemporary photo would be better. JH (talk page) 20:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sarastro, do you have access to Times archives ? Tintin 03:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I suspect that if Alverstoke had still been President a rapprochement would have been unlikely, but of course that's speculation on my part. The Surrey committee in 1909 certainly didn't come out of the affair in a very good light (though the wording of Crawford's statement suggests that he may have been rather "full of himself", which can't have helped). But it was presumably mostly the same people on the committee who, in 1914, when the regular captain CTA Wilkinson was absent in August because of business commitments, allowed Tom Hayward the senior pro to lead the side for half a dozen or so matches in preference to one of Surrey's young and inexperienced amateurs. This must have been quite an enlightened move for the time. And Surrey won the title that year. One other thought. CW Alcock had retired as Secretary in 1907 after 35 years in the post. I rather suspect that had he still been in the post things would never have been allowed to reach the point that they did. Again that's only speculation, of course. JH (talk page) 08:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

"He continued his cricket career with South Australia until the outbreak of the First World War, after which he returned to England. He made his peace with Surrey..." The reason I had changed that was that it makes it sound as though he returned to England and made his peace with Surrey soon after the war began, whereas I assume that it was only in 1919. JH (talk page) 09:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think that I have anything on the committee to indicate that they could be enlightened other than the spell of Tom Hayward as stand-in captain that I've already mentioned. Sir J. Colman succeeded Lord Alverstoke ans president, and remained so until 1922, but I know nothing about him. JH (talk page) 16:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

If it not too much trouble, could you please get the obit of Maharajkumar of Vizianagram, d. Dec 2,1965. I am trying to find out any details available about his post-cricket life. Tintin 11:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I hoped that it would have something more substantial :-) Tintin 11:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting that you describe Swanton as a "journalist" but Cardus as a "writer". I suspect that Swanton would have been most put out at what he would have seen as a subtle slight. :) Though Cardus was more of a stylist, both men began as journalists and subsequently produced a substantial number of books (though many were collections of pieces originally written for newspapers or cricket magazines). Because nowadays "journalist" has acquired rather negative connotations, I thik I'd call them both writers. JH (talk page) 20:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Cardus was undoubtedly the better writer, but he had the disadvantage (at least when using his stuff for Wikipedia articles) of never letting the facts stand in the way of a good anecdote. Actually my own favourite writer is AA Thomson, who was rather the Yorkshire equivalent to the Lancastrian Cardus. (I'm just about to leave on an 8 day holiday, so I won't be heard from for a while.) JH (talk page) 08:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Star Trek V
Thanks for the comments. I think I've tried to address any issues, where possible (some of the content I have no further info on and can't clarify, unfortunately.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 21:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't Trescothick just rock?!
Unfortunately I've been on a training course which sent me out of the county, but I did manage to get in around tea yesterday, and then from tea today. So I did catch the end. It's just a shame that Tresco couldn't get the extra twenty two runs that he needed to reach a thousand first-class runs in May. Bairstow and Root both looked good, but something just doesn't seem to be clicking for your white roses at the moment. It's a bit of a shame really, I tipped Yorkshire to take the title this year (if we didn't) and I hate being wrong!  Harrias  talk 21:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Responded to your GA comments for 1979 Gillette Cup Final, thanks!  Harrias  talk 13:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

History of Yorkshire County Cricket Club (1883–1918)
Hello again. I've just created this article and I have a couple of questions which you will probably be able to answer immediately. What do I do with the article discussion page? I notice that other discussion pages have some kind of project template in them pending any actual discussion; so should I insert a template and, if so, how? Could you also look at the categories as I've tried to follow a football example – it seems there are no cricket club histories so I may have broken new ground!

Sorry to bother you but this is the first new article I've done. Good work on Hedley Verity, by the way. Thank you. --Mykleavens (talk) 19:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Brilliant! And a very quick response too. I do intend to cover the whole history so I'll let you know when I reach the inter-war period. I had a bash at creating a new history by club category given that football has one and it seems to be okay. I think I will try this at GA when I've tidied it up. I'd like some citations about championship tables from a book if possible: I got the placings from various internet pages. Thanks again for your help. --Mykleavens (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * We're on the same wavelength. I just found Hodgson's list a few minutes ago before your post arrived! --Mykleavens (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you by any chance have this book: James P Coldham, Lord Hawke – A Cricketing Biography, Crowood, 1990; or can you recommend it? It has been used in the Lord Hawke article and I wondered if it would be worth acquiring for the Yorkshire history articles?  --Mykleavens (talk) 11:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Lord Hawke
You'll be pleased to know that His Lordship has gone to GAN. I've been referring to the article for material about YCCC history and it occurred to me that it didn't need that much doing to complete it, mainly a big chunk of info in the middle of his career; though it did need a change of structure as it was heading into way too much detail. I'm doing GA reviews myself and it'll be interesting to see how this measures up: the ones I'm reviewing are a mixture of the good, the bad and the "wot's this doing 'ere"! Thanks for all your help, by the way. --Mykleavens (talk) 12:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have seen that photo and I can't remember where but I might have it in one of my books, though it's more likely been in a book I've borrowed. Wilfred took cricket a mite too seriously, though George Hirst was quite the opposite. I'll see if I can find the photo again and, if not, we can use your copy. The other editors did all the work on this as far as I'm concerned: all I've done is change direction away from mass detail and round things off with what I found in Kilburn and Hodgson. --Mykleavens (talk) 12:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Evra
You can look at it. —  JS   Rant Away 16:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Robin Friday
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I've addressed your concerns, if you want to have another look. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 23:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Now, FAC here we come... bwahaha. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 23:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:ELPOINTS
I found your assistance when I was doing the Crawford review very useful and I wish other editors would work with the reviewer as you do.

I must admit I was completely off track with external links having followed what seems to be a convention in many projects, not just cricket. The best way to think of an external links section is as the equivalent of an additional reading list below the bibliography. Perhaps a better title could be used and why not "additional reading": to include both paper and electronic extras?

Re Crawford, it's a pity that, as with so many cricketers, there is nothing in the sources about the man himself, especially as he was obviously a resolute character who stood by his beliefs and was prepared to defend the professionals. But, it's another one for your growing collection. Well done and good luck with Verity. I've decided to look at the one and only Sydney Barnes whose article is a small collection of notes at present. --Mykleavens (talk) 06:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Barney
There is one biography written in 1947 by someone called W.S. White entitled ''Sydney Barnes. The Greatest Bowler of All Time''. I'm trying to find it but it was evidently a limited edition and so very few about now. I don't even know if it's any good. There is a sizeable biography written by H.S. Altham in the Barclay's book, so I can use that; and I see there is some useful stuff in A Social History of English Cricket which I obtained a few weeks ago (this is a brilliant read). Any help you can give me much apreciated, especially the Beldham photos. Thanks again.

I'm glad you appreciate a thorough review though I sometimes wonder if I delve too deeply; I always believe that a piece of work should strive to be not merely good but better. Your prose is excellent whereas often I read something and think that it provides the necessary information but in a merely functional way. Well done. --Mykleavens (talk) 12:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Luke Schenn/archive2
Hey. Just checking to see if your concerns were addressed there, or if your oppose stands. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:28, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Star Trek V at FAC, again
I've renom'd the article and if you have the time would appreciate further comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Star Trek V: The Final Frontier/archive2. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 14:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I've hit up your issues, mate. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 16:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Favor
Hey. Would you be able to give Featured article candidates/Harmon Killebrew/archive2 a prose review if you have time? It's not stat heavy so hopefully it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, it's my longest FAC to date, twice the length of Zolak to be precise. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 17:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Waddington
I've left some comments on the talkpage and also done a bit of copyediting. Brianboulton (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Peer review/The Emancipation of Mimi/archive1
Hi Sarastro :) How have you been my friend? So I've been gearing up for another attempt at FAC, but I'm actually taking the time for PR and possibly a c/e from the guild before. I know you have written FAs before, and have commented on prose of mine in the past. Can you take a quick look, and maybe give me an idea of the prose shape on the article, and maybe post some examples in the PR? Do you think a c/e is necessary? I appreciate any input you are able to give; everything will benefit the article :)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   02:19, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your very detailed look at the lead :) When you said you only looked at the lead, and then I saw you added over 6K worth of info, I got a bit scared lol. I appreciate the advice,although I worry now if those kind of prose will ever be achieved throughout. Aside from a c/e from the Guild, can you suggest anything or anyone else? Thank you again! :D-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   23:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help Sarstro! I wonder if I could ask you a quick favor, very, very small, don't worry. Can you copy-edit (FA style) only the fourth paragraph of the lead on Mimi? Its only like 6 lines. I already re-did the other three. I think the discussion of singles and their peaks needs re-writing. Do you think you can? Thanks anyway. Everything is much appreciated! :)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   12:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Lord Hawke
Thanks for doing a comprehensive review which was needed. I'm not at all surprised you've failed it as I would have done so myself and certainly your decision does not bother me in the least, so I would never seek a reassessment as you suggest.

As I said on the article's talk page a couple of months ago, it had lost its way and I actually became somewhat dispirited when I tried to pull it back on track. I think too much use was made of the obscure Coldham book which I have not seen on the internet. I concentrated on filling the huge gap that had been left (i.e., the period from the mid-1880s to the end of his playing career), but I really wasn't sure what to do with the rest of it.

I'm afraid I've fallen into the quotations trap myself here though I realise that paraphrasing is preferred on the site, so fair comment on that one. I'll use your list and see if I can do more with the article, assuming time allows. I wish I could have started with a stub but so much work had already been done that it became daunting. Hawke could never be an easy subject and I daresay the earlier editors just gave up in despair, to be fair to them. I'm doing some work on Sydney Barnes when I can and that is much easier to work with as it was just a short overview when I found it.

I have one question about the 1890s photo. I see it came from an unnamed anthology but there is no doubt it dates to the 1900s at the latest. Surely, therefore, it meets the 70-year rule or is a named source essential? Thanks again. -- Mike (chat) 16:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Huge favor
Hi there. Having seen your recommendations at the peer review for TEOM, I was wondering if you could probably provide some criticism for an article I've been working on (please). I was hasty in bringing 21 to FAC, despite some nagging prose issues, and luckily the nomination failed, giving me an opportunity to improve the article. Although I'm not done (the article has changed a lot since), I was wondering if you could probably read the introduction and critique it, just to get me started on things I should look out for. I copy-edited the intro, as well as the sections "Background and conception" and "Influence and sound". Feedback on any of these sections would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Oran e  (talk)  08:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are able to help, you may reply on my talk page with the critique. If you're too busy, that's fine. Oran e   (talk)  09:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So... every word was wrong hahha. No, you weren't too harsh. I think it's what I needed in order to think critically about writing cleaner prose. I responded on the talk page, with a few points to your critique. Again, thanks so much. Oran e   (talk)  05:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Murder of Julia Martha Thomas
Thanks for your feedback on Featured article candidates/Murder of Julia Martha Thomas/archive1. I've left a few comments and queries for you there. Prioryman (talk) 10:45, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Your comments have been extremely helpful. I'd like to put this FAC to bed soon; is there any chance that you might be able to finish off your review of the article this weekend? Prioryman (talk) 11:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Verity, Hextall
I've completed the review for Verity: not too much more to be done, and just minor stuff throughout. As I said at the start, the article is already of GA quality, but I'm being a bit more picky given you'll undoubtably be taking it onto FA. Speaking of which, Ron Hextall has just passed the GA, and I'm looking at pushing it on to FA, and I wondered if you'd consider giving the prose a look over when you've got a bit of free time (is there such a thing?!) No problem if you don't have the time or inclination: I'll just press on once I've opened up a bit more of my own time to work on any review comments. Thanks for the congratulations!  Harrias  talk 20:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copy-edit, and the comments: I'll have a proper look through them later in the week. I've promoted Verity, good work. You reckon Yorkshire will avoid relegation this year then? I don't really understand what's happening up there; on paper the team is pretty good?  Harrias  talk 19:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for that :) Looks much cleaner and less repetitive!-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   20:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Jennifer Connelly
-- GD uwen    Tell me!    01:22, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Hobbs and Sutcliffe
That Cricinfo article is very interesting. I recall that a lot of work was done on Herbert Sutcliffe's article a few months back, and I think it's pretty good. I've long been aware that Hobbs' article isn't as good as it should be. I'm all in favour of a drive to improve it, but I'm not sure how much time I'll be able to devote to it. I have Ronald Mason's biography, which is one of my favourite cricket books. Other good sources that I have access to are Hobbs' Wisden obituary, written by Cardus IIRC, and Barclays World of Cricket, as well as a chapter in Ralph Barker's Ten Great Innings devoted to the famous Oval Test in 1926. Oh yes, and a chapter in Simon Wilde's Number One. JH (talk page) 09:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Len Hutton as England captain


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 * Marvellous. Just marvellous... --Sarastro1 (talk) 22:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Len Hutton as England captain


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Confused?
I think in all the upheaval and shock of these seasons results, you've got a little confused: Arthur Mold played for the enemy. I know your lot got relegated, and that lot won, but I think it might be a little early to swap. In other news, Somerset are trying to qualify for another tournament; if we don't qualify, how the heck can we finish second??  Harrias  talk 22:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We've reached each of the last five domestic finals. And lost each of the last five domestic finals. Add in the County Championship last season, and, well.. It's great to be getting to the finals. But it's frustrating to be losing them all. From what Tresco was saying after the match, and what I'm hearing around town, I wouldn't be surprised if he steps down from the captaincy: I wouldn't support the move, but I could understand it. That Bairstow chap did well for England didn't he? I've seen him play a few times and thought he was alright, but on the performances I saw, I actually rated Lyth higher, although he hasn't done so well this year I guess. Rashid's drop in form seemed to be your biggest worry this year (not that I'm blaming it all on him, but after his previous season I think a lot rested on him). Incidentally, I'm not convinced on the value of that article I linked to earlier for the finals: I know you aren't a fan of lists anyway, but any thoughts? It would seem to have a use, but on the other hand it seems a little superfluous to a well written history of the club.  Harrias  talk 22:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Buttler and Bairstow certainly both look like having good England careers, but I guess there are plenty that has been said about before. Both very clean hitters, and both wicket-keepers, with Kieswetter already in the team! I wonder how many we can fit in? Leaves Somerset in a bit of bother if they're both called up, but I guess the management will deal with that over the winter. Not sure about Trescothick: I get the feeling he needs to be in exactly the right place mentally to play cricket well (even with the obvious ignored) and I think he'll last for longer without the captaincy than with it. But that said, if we win something next year, it'd change everything. His eyes can't have gone: he got 1,600 runs and was county cricket MVP again! We've got a fair few youngsters coming through, although as ever at Taunton, the bowling is a worry. But then, fast (or fast-ish) bowlers tend to break through very quickly, so you never can tell really. Don't think Kartik will be coming back again next year, but I'm not sure if Dockrell is up to leading the spin attack. And we'd lose him from time to time for Ireland too. Ah well, plenty to mull over through the cold of winter! And plenty of Somerset captains and Somerset players' brothers left to write about!  Harrias  talk 23:13, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Hirst
I'm not tired of cricket, but I've just returned from a road trip, and I've got many things to do. (My garden is dying of thirst, for example.) I took a quick look at the FAC this morning, and it appears that Hirst is getting a fair bit of attention. I'll weigh in as soon as I can. Finetooth (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a few comments. Feel free to ignore them.  I forgot to mention that I thought it was a fine article, by the way. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Mold
An excellent article. :) One question: ...at the time of his retirement he had taken more wickets than any other fast bowler... Are you sure that is correct? I should have thought that by the time of Mold's retirement Tom Richardson would have taken more wickets. JH (talk page) 08:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Thanks a lot for the review. I've tried to fix the issues you've pointed out. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:31, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Congrats
Just noticed that George Hirst is being promoted. Congrats from a baseball player. Finetooth (talk) 22:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)