User talk:Sardaka/Archive2

It seems that when TheRingess doesn't like someone or when she takes an interest in someone, she puts them and their topics on her watch list and deletes their additions or topics. I agree that she destroys many people's good works by deleting all links in a topic except one to the often lame, outdated, and not-often usefull DMOZ link. I would suggest Sardaka, that you change your name before adding any material to Wikipedia so TheRingess can't find and delete your works. That's what I've had to do. Ganesham 17:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for letting me know:) Have a nice week and God bless:)--James, La gloria è a dio 10:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Please use the available mediation channels
Regarding your conflict that is under discussion at: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents, please consider using the standard mediation and conflict resolution methods that have previously been explained to you. Continuing to raise the issue of your conflict in multiple places when you have declined to make use of offered mediation could be construed as disruptive behavior on your part. I encourage you to communicate directly with User:TheRingess so that you may come to agreement on use of a mediation process that will resolve the conflict between the two of you, rather than escalate it as you are currently doing. Buddhipriya 18:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * In a complex environment like Wikipedia, conflicts occur often. For an overview of policies on dispute resolution, please see: Dispute_resolution.  The first step listed there is to talk directly with the party you are having conflict with.  If that fails to resolve the problem, the next step may involve use of the Mediation Cabal (also know as "MedCab"),  a voluntary process that brings in an outside party who is specifically intending to help others work out conflicts.  Would you be willing to use a MedCab request?  If so, that can become the immediate focus of attention and reduce cross-posting, which makes it more difficult for other editors to keep track of what is going on. Buddhipriya 17:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Concerns about being stalked
Regarding your concerns about being stalked, I would suggest you carefully read WP:HARASS, which explains harassment "does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors". So far you haven't provided any proof of disruptive conduct by any other editors. Also, I would suggest you have a look at WP:OWN, because I have concerns that you are being too possessive about the article content you have contributed. The nature of this project involves allowing other users to edit your work, sometimes drastically. Finally, could I suggest that you ensure your comments are civil. Thanks, Addhoc 13:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * To be sure we are using terms in the same way, I would define "stalking" using the definition given in Harassment:


 * "'The term 'wiki-stalking' has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor. This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, nor does it mean reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason. The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful.'"


 * Please note that keeping an eye on the edit history of users once a problem has been identified elsewhere is part of the recommended practices both for Recent changes patrol (RCP) and WikiProject Spam.  For example, the procedure for RCP says: "Check the user's other contributions. You'll often find more edits with similar problems. Fix those as well.  The procedure for WikiProject Spam is similar saying: "Check the user's contributions: a user will often add the same link to multiple articles. This is often confirmation that the user is not editing in good faith. To check for this type of activity, select the contribs (or for anonymous users the IP address) link from your watch list or an article's history. This shows all the other edits the user recently made and selecting the diff link shows if the same link has been added to other articles. If inappropriate links are found, revert as in step one, but the user only needs to be warned once unless he has spammed since the last warning."  These policies establish that it is standard practice on Wikipedia to study the contribution log of editors as a tool to find articles where problem edits may have taken place.  Buddhipriya 18:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Sardaka, I urge you to consider both AddHoc's and Buddhipriya's statements and read the links that they both provided. Those will help you to gain greater understanding of Wiki's policies. Given that you sought out AddHoc's advice I am confident that you will accept it. Personally, I am frustrated by the fact that you will not discuss specific edits with me. One of the guiding principles of Wikipedia, that is expressed in many places, is to discuss material rather than personalities. For instance, you left |this message on my talk page, after asking me several questions to which I gave brief specific answers (see here). Both messages seem to indicate that you either ignored my answers, or believed that I was not honest and forthright with you. I do not understand why you would ignore my answers, and continue to ask the same questions in further posts. Your comments also seemed uncivil to me. And you have been asked by at least one other editor to remain civil (see here. I also posted a reply here on this talk page, and you ignored it and seemed unwilling to discuss specific edits.  I too agree that you might be engaging in ownership.  I am writing this message because, to outside observers, your behavior and your messages might eventually be interpreted as disruptive.  I also strongly suggest that you respond to comments made on the incident thread that you created, to not do so, dishonors the good will efforts of fellow editors to address your concerns.  I cannot understand why you haven't responded there.  I feel that you have a sincere desire to contribute to this project, and believe yourself to be acting in good faith, so don't let this go on too much longer without addressing mine and other fellow editors's concerns. Believe me, if another editor, familiar with our core principles, tells me that I am acting in bad faith, or that I inadvertently violated Wikipedia's core policies, I will be more than willing to make amends.TheRingess (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply to your questions posted on my talk page
I am replying here to the questions and comments that you made on my talk page in this diff:  Because it can be confusing to follow threads across multiple pages, I recommend that if you wish to reply to this comment of mine, you do so here on your own talk page so other editors will be able to see the dialog. If you have gone to MedCab, please provide a link to the current MedCab case. I cannot find an open MedCab case, which may mean that you are not currently using MedCab. If you are using MedCab, you will have a mediator identified and a mediation page will be opened for your case. Who is your mediator, if have one? I gave you a link to the conflict resolution procedures previously. Here is a link to the step involving opening a request for mediation: Requests_for_mediation. At this point my perception is that you have declined to enter into formal mediation. RfC means "Request for Comment" and it is a type of feedback method that tries to get multiple editors looking at a situation. See: Requests for comment. To ensure that you have these policy links available, I will crosspost this reply on your talk page. If you have further questions about any of this please let me know. Again, I encourage you to contact the user you are in conflict with and reach agreement directly with that person on use of a mediator. User:TheRingess has indicated willingness to make use of MedCab. Are you willing to use MedCab?

As I said before, I encourage you to pick one dispute resolution process at a time and work it to conclusion before starting the next. Keeping multiple processes going at the same time makes it much more difficult to keep track of the issues and threads. Buddhipriya 10:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I know of no new or open mediation cabal case regarding these issues. The only mediation case I am currently involved in is with Ganesham, which has created back in March. That user has described me as a dictator and labelled both Buddhipriya and I as "thugs" who "are ruining Wikipedia". For the record he has unequivocally refused to participate in mediation. If you wish to create a new mediation case, I am willing to participate. Though, I'm saddened that it has come to this. Again, Addhoc offered you a lot of advice, and I urge you to consider it and take it. Here's a link to the mediation cabal page WP:MEDCAB TheRingess (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:CIVIL to understand why comments like this are not appropriate for article talk pages. You can see that at least one other editor agreed that it was inappropriate here.TheRingess (talk) 14:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please keep in mind also, that contacting a fellow editor (AddHoc), who is listed as one of the coordinators for the mediation cabal, requesting help, is not the same as participating in mediation.TheRingess (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please acknowledge AddHoc's comments above
I think in order for mediation to proceed in a timely manner, it's important that you read and respond to AddHoc's comments above.TheRingess (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Mediation case now open
I am pleased to see that you have opened a case at Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-13 Sardaka. I hope that you will find that service helpful. Buddhipriya 05:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries
I noticed on some of your recent changes to the Siddha Yoga articles that you did not use an edit. Please remember to leave a brief, accurate summary of your changes. It's considered bad form not to. TheRingess (talk) 14:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Mediation
I have places some of my own comments on the mediation page that you created. Addhoc has agreed to act as the mediator. I invite you to participate so that we can resolve this in a reasonable time frame. TheRingess (talk) 15:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded images
Hi Sardaka, I noticed that you have uploaded a number of images that are both copyrighted by "Neil Paton" and released under GFDL by you. If you are Neil Paton, that is perfectly OK. If not you will have to provide (1) the source (website?) from where you obtained the photographs and (2) evidence that Neil Paton released them under GFDL. Thanks. Abecedare 19:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for confirming that. A suggestion: when you upload an image it is useful to describe in the Summary section what is the object being portrayed. Though this information will be obvious to the uploader, it will (in general) not be known to a third person who may come across the photograph and he/she will therefore be unable to use it. Also search engines won't be able to catalog the image without such data. Hope this tip is useful. Cheers. Abecedare 03:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

G'Day Sardaka, You've uploaded some good images from around the Bondi/Randwick area. Keep up the good work. Hope you can take some more pictures of nearby suburbs for those articles. I have a suggestion that you might like to take up. With the large amount of photos you are uploading, you might at this stage want to sign up to Wikimedia Commons and upload your photos there. This enables your photos to be used in any Wikimedia project and not just Wikipedia - so people from other language projects, Wikitravel, etc. can all use the photos. You need to go here and sign up (as "Sardaka") and then you click on "Upload file" on the left and upload your files as per normal. You can also use categories like for Sydney-related photos and  for beaches, railway station pics etc... (lots of other categories connected to the Sydney pages also). This will save those users who want to use them on other projects a lot of time having to download your photos and then reupload them in other projects. Cheers. J Bar 01:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Jbar. Thanks for the tip about the commons. I'll have a look. I was taking more shots today, but have thousands already, which I'll work my way through as I feel like it. Was interested in the barnstar awards you got. I should be eligible for a few of them in view of the amount of material I've contributed.

Catch you later.Sardaka 09:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries Sardaka. Regarding the barnstars, your photos will probably get noticed more if they are posted on Wikimedia Commons.

I noticed a few people have commented about there not being enough information on some your photos. May I suggest that you change the name of the photo to a more descriptive name  and maybe provide some details in the summary when you load and that will ensure they don't get deleted by the administrators. Thanks again for posting your photos to the suburb articles. Cheers. J Bar 03:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:East0057.jpg
Hi, Thank you for uploading Image:East0057.jpg,however it would be much appreciated if you could expand or clarify the sourcing information you have provided in the image summary. ShakespeareFan00 12:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:East0051.jpg
Hi, Thank you for uploading Image:East0051.jpg,however it would be much appreciated if you could expand or clarify the sourcing information you have provided in the image summary. ShakespeareFan00 12:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If it's from your own collection, say so. As well as giving details of the location depicted (if known):) ShakespeareFan00 10:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Own collection?
Does this mean I have to say something like "Sydney Hotel from editor's collection", or something like that?

Sardaka 12:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ideally,yes..

An example idea for source/description layout.

Item/Subject/Topic depicted:  Source  :  Release obtained :  Uploader :   Contact :  

You might depending on your interest want to add 'technical' fields as to the camera, exposure, lens type etc...

If the images are your own, I would also strongly recommend putting them on the Wikimedia Commons, as well as uploading them to Wikipedia. ShakespeareFan00 13:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Amesbury or Anesbury
G'day Sardaka,

I noticed you changed the spelling of Amesbury in the Ashfield, New South Wales article to Anesbury. All the published references to this building that I've seen spell it with an 'm'. However, I'm guessing you may have been inside this particular building and probably have a reason for making the correction. I would just like to know the source of the correction, please. Crico 07:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted the spelling of this building to Amesbury. There does seem to be some confusion over the spelling but the more reliable sources (in my view) use Amesbury:
 * Three documents from Ashfield Council
 * The NSW Heritage OFfice Register
 * The Royal Australian Historical Society's profile of Norman Selfe (builder of Amesbury)

References to Anesbury include: Crico 00:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Aussie Heritage
 * Picture Australia

Your 'free' images
Thank you for uploading images/media to Wikipedia! There is however another Wikimedia foundation project called Wikimedia Commons, a central media repository for all free media. In the future, please consider creating an account and uploading media there instead. That way, all the other language Wikipedias can use them too, as well as our many sister projects. This will also allow our visitors to search for, view and use our media in one central location. If you wish to move previous uploads to Commons, see Moving images to the Commons. Please note that non-free content, such as images claimed as fair use, cannot be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. Thanks again, and please continue uploading! ShakespeareFan00 11:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hecatonchires
I moved this topic from the Shree Muktananda Ashram to my talk page and replied there. The Ashram talk page isn't really the place to discuss Hecatonchires.--Atlan (talk) 11:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Images
Please stop adding large volumes of images to articles, especially articles that have been carefully balanced image:text. Adding 46(+?) images to the Sydney article is absolutely unacceptable. Not all of our readers have high speed internet access and what you are doing can cause problems for people trying to view these articles. I appreciate you wanting to share your images but you are going to need to be more thoughtful about what you add to which article. Sarah 13:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's best to discuss it with other editors on the talk page of the article you want to add an image to. Most of the main Australian articles, specially those that are classed as featured or good articles, have been worked on very hard over a long period of time and the editors have tried to balance the images to the text. I don't really care if you find that dubious or not. Please suggest images you want to add to articles on the talk page, but 12 - 46 images is simply way too many on any article. You would probably usually be looking at adding one or two, but that depends on the article and, again, should be discussed with the other editors. Thanks, Sarah 09:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Revealing or even guessing at someone's real identity
Wikipedia operates on the principle that every contributor has a right if they wish to remain completely anonymous. Wikipedia policy on that issue is strictly enforced. Posting private information about a user with the intent to annoy, threaten or harass, specifically their (alleged) name and/or personal details, is strictly prohibited as harassment, and users who do that are often immediately blocked from editing Wikipedia. Such posting can cause offense or embarrassment to the victim of the posting, not least because it means that their name, and any personal criticism or allegations made against them can then appear on web searches.

If you have posted such information, please remove it immediately. Please then follow the link to this page and follow the instructions there, including emailing [mailto:oversight-l@lists.wikimedia.org this address]. It will then be removed from the archives of Wikipedia.

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Reply re TheRingess
No, TheRingess did not ask me to intervene. I've got this user's page on my watchlist, noticed what had happened, and because I know what the policy is, left you the warning so that you could correct it yourself without there being too much further drama generated. IPSOS (talk) 03:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, to clarify the policy a bit, it doesn't matter that there was a link to a website where the name was mentioned. Because a Google search by name woudl not lead to Wikipedia. Even if the user's identity is known, it is still improper to use their name on Wikipedia unless they do so themselves. They've chosen not to put their name on Wikipedia, and they deserve the respect not to have it put there by someone else so that a Google search now points out their identity on Wikipedia. I believe this is mentioned in the template I used or the page to which it links. IPSOS (talk) 03:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Francis Greenway
Sorry, I know of no such list, but I'd be very surprised in one didn't exist somewhere. Best of luck searching. -- JackofOz 03:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

TheRingess
In response to this message on Surfdude001's talk page: You are not taking TheRingess through mediation. The mediation has long ended with Addhoc's final judgement being, and I quote: "Sardaka, if you still don't understand that users excersise editorial judgement regarding content, I seriously question whether you are ever going to grasp the concept.". You either never checked back there, or you conveniently ignored this less than favourable ending of the mediation. It is quite ridiculous that you would try to enlist a new user with only 3 edits to his name, in order to act in concert against TheRingess. I ask you to stop going after TheRingess. You'll only succeed in making a fool of yourself. You've already brought the matter to a number of platforms and you were denied on every occasion. Any further forum shopping to make a case against TheRingess can only be considered disruptive.--Atlan (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Sardaka, anything I know about this dude comes from the link he had to his personal page and from looking through his contributions history. I looked him up to find out why this person was having an aggressive edit war on the Cardiff webpage, taking down things like the fact that it is a surfing town.  Looked through the long contributions and saw that he’s been after an author who lives here, who I don’t know even though I also live here.  I’ve also seen him bully quite a few people on wikipedia through his contributions, though he also does some usual edits, maybe to hide his real interest in bullying.  I see that he’s also bullied you.  Anytime he gets accused by someone, his buddy Buddhipriya jumps in to also jump on the person, and IPSOS, who left a warning on your page then asked TheRingess to be his buddy too and support his interests and fights.  The editor who moderated your medcab also seems to be part of their “team,” (cabal) as does Altan who deleted your personal message to me from my talk page.  This is the kind of crap that will ruin wikipedia.  Anyway that’s all I know.  It’s all in the history files if you want to take time to look. I prefer to surf water than this crap.  -- Surfdude001 21:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sigh...Get a clue, Sardaka. Surfdude001 is a single purpose troll account. It was only created to attack TheRingess, and it is very likely someone's sockpuppet. If you have issues, take them up with regular users, like me, not with trolls. Or post at the adminstrators noticeboard.--Atlan (talk) 23:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, if you want to compare notes, that's fine. However, if people keep telling you there's no problem with TheRingess' conduct and you keep digging for them, it's becoming disruptive. How would you feel if I kept going around Wikipedia saying: "Hey, do you know Sardaka? I think he's evil and I'm gonna keep asking people until someone agrees.". You just have to let go at some point. Also, when was the last time you ever encountered TheRingess?--Atlan (talk) 15:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Annandale
Hi. looking at the shots of houses in the Annandale article, one was labeled Kenilworth at first, then that was deleted, then I restored it, now I'm having second thoughts. Is this house one of the witches houses next to the Abbey?

Also, do you have any more info on the house next to the Kenilworth pic?

Sardaka 09:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I googled Kenilworth and the address apparently is 260 Johnstone. My photo was a house at 35 Johnstone St, so I removed the reference to Kenilworth. I also added the name of the street that the other house is located on, Collins Street.


 * By the way, have got any photos of Rose Bay or Rushcutters Bay? These seem to be the only eastern suburbs without photos? J Bar 03:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Parramatta
When creating the gallery you removed the captions from some of the images - tese gave the images a context. Can you pls restore. You should be careful when you do such things. Albatross2147 12:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Arbitration [From ANI]
If I want to go to Arbitration over a case of User Conduct, do I have to go through Formal Mediation first?

Sardaka 07:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Formal mediation does not deal with disputes over user conduct, but rather content disputes. The Arbitration Committee, per Requests for arbitration, generally require that a user conduct request for comment be completed before filing a request for arbitration. Cheers,  Daniel  09:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Australian Flag
Hi, Sardaka. I just saw the flag you put on your user page, and noticed a small red, white and blue patch down in the bottom of Western Australia. Do you know where I can get a similar Oz flag picture, minus the glitch? Cheers. -- JackofOz 12:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Only 1/8 Scottish. Much more Irish.  But we can all live in peace these days, can't we.  :)  JackofOz 12:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

As for me...
No belligerence on my part intended. I can be somewhat blunt at times, but it's nothing personal. See you around, and happy editing.--Atlan (talk) 16:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Annandale article
Just wanted to let you know that we now have a complete gallery of the witches houses in the Annandale article. Shots of Rose Bay and Rushcutters Bay will follow soon.

Sardaka 13:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. That's great. J Bar 22:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Commons
Hi. just need a bit of help with Commons. I looked at the page on buidings in Sydney and went to the edit page, but can't see how the editing is done. All I see is four headings in square brackets, but no links or headings etc to the actual shots. How is it done? Sardaka 09:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC) PS Shots are now on Rose Bay and Rushcutters.
 * Those photos are great! To get your photos on a Commons 'Category' page, you can add a link to the bottom of your photo description when uploading eg.'Category:Buildings in Sydney'. You can also go back to your photo later, use edit and add it to the bottom of the page.
 * You can also create new pages and link them to the 'Category'. For example, I've created a few pages such as Arncliffe, Hurstville, Burwood and linked them to the Sydney catecory by adding 'Category:Sydney' at the bottom. Hope this helps. If any of this is unclear, just let me know.J Bar 08:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Styles
Hi. are you any sort of expert on architectural styles? Am trying to learn to recognise them but it's more complicated than I thought.Especially trying to learn Edwardian style at the moment. Do you know anything about it or books on the subject? It's not that easy to find books with pix etc that show these things. If you know any articles that need pix, let me know; I might have something.

Sardaka 09:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert, I just have an interest in Australian architecture. I live in a federation house in a suburb with a lot of other federation houses which unfortunately often have been neglected or demolished, so I became interested in heritage and preservation. I picked up a set of 4 books a few years ago which are brilliant (at Angus & Robertsons). I have used one of them as a reference for some articles The Federation House - Australia's Own Style. Hugh Fraser and Ray Joyce, Lansdowne, 1993. Published in Australia ISBN 1-86302-126-4. There are also three other books on colonial homesteads, country houses and Queenslanders. They have great info and brilliant photos.

In regards to photos. I've been busy compiling more and more articles on Sydney suburbs. I've basically gone through all the suburbs I know well and have moved on to other suburbs that I don't know much about in the western suburbs. I'm learning a lot about some historic houses in these outlying suburbs from the info that other people have provided. If you have any more photos of historic houses/buildings, just keep on adding them. I'm hoping we will eventually have at least one photo for every article on suburbs of Sydney. Cheers. J Bar 21:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Historic House Photos
Hello - I noticed you have added some good photos of historical houses and mansions in Sydney suburbs around the place. Here are a few more you might like to visit and take photos of at some stage:
 * Point Piper:
 * Kilmory, the only remaining estate mansion in PP, at 6-8 Wentworth Road = it's now divided into units but the exterior is the same.
 * Altona in Wunulla Road - supposedly Australia's most expensive house.
 * Elizabeth Bay
 * Boomerang - Billyard Ave.
 * Mosman
 * 2-12 Iluka Rd - this is Mosman's biggest house. I think it's called "The Manor" - the house used to be owned by 2GB.

It may be worth making a list of suburbs and distinctive or historic houses and buildings in each suburbs that would be worth having photos of - a checklist of sorts like I have here for railway stations. Do you think that is a good idea? JRG 00:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some more you should be aware of: Graythwaite in North Sydney, which is next to Shore School and is on expansive grounds; up in the Northern Suburbs there are a few that you could be aware of: in Epping, Araluen - 2 Brigadoon Ct, Epping, which is a wedding reception venue; Brush Farm House in Lawson St, Eastwood - the home of Gregory Blaxland who crossed the Blue Mountains and has been recently restored; Ahimsa in Day Rd, Cheltenham - a Buddhist retreat place that is owned by the National Trust. In Denistone, there is Denistone House, which is now part of Ryde Hospital. JRG 10:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Gurumayi0001.jpg)
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Roseville Chase
Hi. Just looking at the article on Roseville Chase, do you know if any of the info came from Book of Sydney Suburbs? Would be nice to be able to add it to the references, if possible. These suburb articles can always use more references.

Sardaka 09:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, there's no mention of Roseville Chase in the book. Probably because it wasn't really a separate suburb until recent years and the book was written in 1990. There's some stuff in the book on Roseville though, but it does not appear in the article on wikipedia. Cheers J Bar 21:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC).

Summer Hill Photo Request
If you are going near Summer Hill any time soon to take any photos, you might want to take some of the Heritage Area next to Trinity Grammar School. The houses on Seaview Street from the corner of Prospect Road going up to the side gate of the school (opposite Victoria Square) are historic federation homes but are due to be demolished by the school soon to build a new carpark. JRG (talk) 05:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

West Maling
Do you know that house West Maling at Penshurst? Fabulous. I've just put a shot of it in the Federation Arch. article. Will also put it in my Sydney Architecture gallery. Are you aware of the latter? You might be able to use some of the shots some time. Feel free.

Sardaka 10:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have a photo of in the article Penshurst, New South Wales. I didn't know the name of building, so I labelled it 'Assemblies of God' because it is currently being used by them as a place of worship. I'll check out the gallery. Thanks. J Bar 20:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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Yaralla & Thomas Walker Hospital
Hi Sardaka - saw your addition to the John Sulman article - I have a clearer, although not as close-up, picture of Yaralla at Concord here, and I also have one of Rivendell (Thomas Walker Hospital) somewhere as well - though it was taken from the other side of the river - don't know if that one ever got uploaded to Wikipedia though. You're welcome to use them. JRG (talk) 12:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you had a chance to get to Summer Hill yet? JRG (talk) 12:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Wahroonga, New South Wales houses
Hi Sardaka - if you are interested in a number of heritage houses you should check out the ones on this website - there's a walk you can do to see them all. As far as I know the one threatened by development got stopped for the moment by a court decision, so you should go and photograph that house while you still can. JRG (talk) 00:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Any chance of being able to go to Wahroonga soon? The house under development (Rippon Grange) has been threatened yet again with major planning changes and six-storeyed apartment blocks next to it. I happened to drive past it (at night - so no photos) and it is right next to the street, so easy to take pictures. Pictures of Berith Park and other houses in the area would be good too. The website above has changed - now at http://www.wahroonga.org/. JRG (talk) 08:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Archive
Hi Sardaka. I took the liberty of moving your talk page archive to the right place (it was redlinked). Hope you don't mind. See you around.--Atlan (talk) 12:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * With redlinked, I meant that the link to you talk page archive was red, i.e. broken, as opposed to a functional blue link. I could've simply changed the link to point to User:Sardaka/Archive1 (which is now a redirect), but moving the archive to User talk:Sardaka/Archive1 makes it easier to navigate back to the talk page.--Atlan (talk) 12:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Enya AsChild.jpg)
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Depression and natural therapies
I have undone your redirect of this article. Please visit the talk page to discuss renaming and reach consensus first, then allow someone else to do as the way you did it was not proper and left some problems behind. We don't make a new name, copy/paste over the contents, then set a redirect on the old name. It violates GFDL because it leaves behind the article history and the talk page discussions. Collectonian (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Llangollen, Summer Hill
Llangollen - the large house you can see from the train near Summer Hill railway station, is being demolished. If you want to get a photo tomorrow and you are able it would be a good thing. JRG (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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Ascham school
Hi. just saw your new shots of Ascham school. Did you have any trouble getting access? I just sort of ducked in, took a quick shot with a wide-angle lens and ducked out again. I'm not very brave with things like that. What did you do?

Sardaka 11:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)Retrieved from "http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:J_Bar"
 * I did the same thing. I just wandered in and took a couple of shots. I went there on a weekend, so there weren't a lot of people around, just the cleaners and they didn't hassle me. I guess, I'm just getting bolder with taking photos. I've only been hassled once, when I was trying to take photos of Wolli Creek railway station and the station worker told me I can't take photos of the railway station. It happened around the time of the APEC conference and just my luck, there were police just getting off a train. The station worker told the police I was taking photos and they took down all my details and told me they are being extra careful about security. Apart from that, I've never had any problems. J Bar (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Photo captions
I've noticed that you sometimes don't provide captions on some photos you attach. I've seen you write 'This photo and next one' or 'This photo and next two' and then have photos with no captions. With other people editing articles, they can often move things around and the order might change. I just wanted to suggest to you that it would be better to repeat a caption for a separate photo, rather than leave it blank (as I just did with the Federation architecture article. Some editors might delete a photo if there is no caption. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Sydney suburbs
I see michelle Crisp has been adding tags about the refs. on Syd. Sub. articles. I can see what she's getting at, although I also appreciate your concerns. When making an addition to an article, I usually try to upgrade the refs., but sometimes can't because there might be a couple of books listed in the refs. and I don't know which passages came from what book. the refs. are often a problem with these articles, namely the lack of footnotes.

One thing I thought of is to add a ref. to Gregory's in the first paragraph about the sub's location, so at least that's one ref with footnote. Also re. national estate, if the sub. has anything on the Register.

Those articles could really do with more footnotes, but having said that, it's been a monumental effort to create all those articles on Syd. subs. I don't think I could have done it.

Sardaka (talk) 10:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. I'll try and do the same with the references when I go into existing articles. I've got all the Sydney suburbs on my 'watchlist' now, so when I get the chance I go back and have a look at any changes/vandalsim that people might do. If I make any changes, I try to update the references too. Cheers J Bar (talk) 21:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm a bit concerened about this business of refs. in the suburbs articles. I've been doing what I can to add refs to some of them, but my capacities are limited. Should we perhaps try and get this organized? By this I mean that from now on we concentrate our efforts on adding inline refs as the prime project. Communications with Michelle have got me a bit worried. She seems to have her eye on this issue.

It's really just a matter of throwing in a few footnotes. The info's already there, it just needs footnotes.

Sardaka (talk) 10:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been doing that with every article I visit. As I've mentioned, I've got all the Sydney suburb articles on my 'watchlist' and am monitoring any vandalism. If I go into any article to make edits, add photos, correct any updates or revert vandalism, I am also fixing up the references. If I get any time I'll revisit other articles too. Cheers J Bar (talk) 22:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Federation
If you're interested in more Fed. material, I've just started a Fed gallery at commons. I realized I had shots of all 12 styles, so I might as well go for it.Federation Do you remember the sydney architecture.com site I told you about? They've used all my shots of the Abbey and witches houses, without giving me a credit. Might have some of yours too. I emailed them, asking for a credit, but no response yet.

Sardaka (talk) 09:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I had an email from a uni student who told me that one of my photos was used in his uni lecture, without giving me credit. Oh well, what can you do? J Bar (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sydney suburbs
Have just been working on the paddo and Randwick articles. Couldn't help wondering, did you write all of those articles yourself, or even a fair bit of them? You have my unbounded admiration. Couldn't have done it myself. Sardaka (talk) 09:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't take the credit for whole articles but I have contributed to almost all Sydney suburbs. I have written a standard intro for all of them and try to provide some history. I rewrite any existing info to fit the standard headings too. J Bar (talk) 04:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment
Thanks for your comments. Keep up the good work on improving the suburb articles. Michellecrisp (talk) 10:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've noticed you've been adding the Gregory's Street Directory as a reference. Just my opinion but I don't think it's necessary as things like location, postcode, adjoining suburbs are not likely to be challenged. see WP:PROVEIT All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation Michellecrisp (talk) 13:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

nasty message
About the character who left you the nasty message about Arncliffe House, do you think it's worth checking his credentials with an admin, or have you perhaps already done it? He was blocked at one stage for being naughty, which you wouldn't expect to happen with an admin, which he was claiming to be.

Sardaka (talk) 08:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for caring. I have actually already done that and it has been taken care of. I have a pretty good idea who it was. There was a user who was vandalising a number of Sydney articles and I sent him some warnings. He was blocked but kept doing it and then started posting obscene messages. He was blocked permanently but then created various sock puppets to continue the abuse on my user page and the admin people who blocked him. Now he's posting messages through anonymous addresses. I just prefer not to confront him any more and just report his personal attacks straight to the administrators. Thanks again. J Bar (talk) 04:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I asked at AN and said there's no prohibition against using shots of private homes. That's a relief. Could have been a bit of a worry. Glad that fellow's been dealt with.

Sardaka (talk) 08:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's wise to check with the admins rather than believe anything that people might write. It seems this bloke is persistent and his vandalism continues. He keeps inventing new identities and carrying on his games. He's made a couple of smart arse comments on my User page again and he's been blocked again. J Bar (talk) 01:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

St Ignatius
St Ignatius College is in the suburb of Riverview, New South Wales. I moved your info to that article but you restored on Lane Cove, New South Wales. It's actually quite far away from Lane Cove. J Bar (talk) 04:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Riverview
Sorry, I didn't know there was a suburb called Riverview. live and learn. Sardaka (talk) 11:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. J Bar (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Article Hits
I found there's a site that keeps a record of the number of hits each article has had. The suburbs articles have had hundreds of hits per month. Nice to know. I was starting to wonder if anyone read them. The site is at if you want to check it out. Sardaka (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. That's handy to know. J Bar (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

National estate
There have been a few editors who have tried to delete your lists of national estate itms on Sydney articles. I have reverted a few and made changes to the rest to avoid further deletions. Can I make a suggestion for any future lists that you might compile. Other editors do not believe that this info is important or warrants its own heading. Can I suggest that you include it as a subheading in either History or Landmarks sections. That seems to satisfy other editors. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 22:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed you changed the heading in some articles to Heritage. That's a good idea. By the way, I've been having a heated discussion on the Talk:Mosman, New South Wales after an editor deleted photos because he doesn't like seeing too many and has criticised every other aspect of the article and is threatening to delete everything. He has had one person back him up and the photos remain deleted but I fear this may continue. J Bar (talk) 12:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Mosman
I added a comment to the Mosman debate, arguing that it's better not to delete things unless there's a good reason for it. Hope things settle down soon. Might send a message to Merbabu.

Re the lists on national estate, I don't understand how anyone can say it's not relevant to articles like this. Anything of a heritage nature is relevant and is factual info, with references I might add, and that's what these articles need. Sardaka (talk) 08:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. J Bar (talk) 21:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Gawd, those people can be a bit aggro. They might have a point about some of the shots, but they're so aggressive about it. Good to see Merbabu being a bit more conciliatory. Don't think I'll be going near the Mosman article for a while.


 * Sardaka (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I know. I think it's bullying and intimidation. They really annoyed me last week and I seriously considered giving up contributing to wikipedia ever again. I think what it really comes down to is that Merbabu lives in Mosman and he wants to control the portrayal of the suburb in wikipedia. He deleted pictures of two modern developments because they are, in his words, 'tacky'. Those developments exist and are landmark developments in the suburb, even if some people don't like them. Without those photos, the article now looks bare and full of gaps. I'm with you. I'm just going to avoid that article. It'll just have to remain incomplete. J Bar (talk) 21:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your Questions About Durras
Durras is the general name used to talk about North and South Durras. Nth. and Sth. Durras are separated by Durras Lake (the largest natural lake in NSW), also Nth. Durras is often refered to as Durras Lakes. Both towns (or villages) are small and Nth. Durras is mostly holiday houses and a caravan park. I don't think that there would be much extra to mention about Nth. Durras. Unless you have a detailed map of the area, other maps will have one town marked just as 'Durras' even though they are two separated places.

--Loy Wong (talk) 06:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, me again,

I saw you changed the wording from 'surronded' to 'close'. Sth. Durras is actually surrounded by Murramarang so I will change it back. For future ref., if you have any questions about Sth. Durras, please ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loy Wong (talk • contribs) 11:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I happen to have that map too, and you are sort of incorrect. The southermost area that you have mentioned is called South Durras. It is surrounded by the National Park. As I said before, most maps call Sth. Durras, just 'Durras'. Next time I am there, I will be taking some pictures so I can have some proof.

Also: Quote- ''With the developed areas, the one at the south end is called Durras. The next one up, 1 kilometre nth, is Durras Lake. The next one nth again is called Durras North.''

There are only two developed areas there, I don't know about that third you are talking about?

Cheers,

--Loy Wong (talk) 10:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S.- What is Patty Pallins?

--Loy Wong (talk) 05:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Message from You
I still think you are incorrect. There are only two residential areas- South Durras and Durras Lake. You should drop in there some time, it is a really nice place. Plus, topographic maps only show mountains, not places.

--Loy Wong (talk) 10:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Heritage homes of sydney
A tag has been placed on Heritage homes of sydney requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Gary King (talk) 08:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem fixed in title Heritage homes of Sydney. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 12:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Heritage
I've just done an article about Heritage homes of sydney, in case there's anything you might be able to use in it. In spite of what I said about the Mosman article, I'll add something soon on The Manor, which is mentioned in the above article. Fabulous house. Sardaka (talk) 08:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

A tech problem. When I created the article, it came out with a lower-case S in Sydney. Do you know how to fix it? I'm still a novice at these things. Sardaka (talk) 08:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like your problem has been fixed, but I would have suggested that you use the 'Move' tab to move the article to another page and the other page would also have been redirected there. If that was unsatisfactory, you could have asked an administrator for assistance. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 13:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whenever I leave a message on someones talk page it ends up on my watchlist, thats how I saw your message. I normally unwatch after a couple of months. Cheers. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 12:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The Manor...
Hello there. Nice work on your "Manor" section in the Mosman article. I do think the info is a bit long for the page - ie, if every landmark in Mosman had that much info, then the page would be the longest in wikipedia!. However, I think that the info is excellent, and the topic notable enough to create its own article - then, in the Mosman page, all we need to do is to post a small 1 or 2 sentence mention with a link, thus making room for the other landmarks. Since you did the work, why don't you create the article? kind regards --Merbabu (talk) 12:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's the longest treatment to any topic in that article. It's length does not equate to its importance to Mosman. It's just another landmark - yes, it deserves a mention, but not the longest section in the article. There are other landmarks. But, more importantly there are other non-built environment topics to include such as improved history section (it's currently a copy right vio) and a demographics section, for example. Remember, the article is not Architecture of Mosman, although it look like it. --Merbabu (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * PS, if you are saying that the treatment is not too long, well if it is that important to take up so much of the notable Mosman topic, then it should have it's own article. If you don't want to create it, I will create the article, but give you credit in the edit summary. --Merbabu (talk) 13:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the galleries at Mosman - I agree that the pics were all over the place. The solution however was to have less pics (remember, we're creating an encyclopedia, not flickrpedia). I removed one that seemed to have no notability explained - it could have been from the moon. Now it looks neater.

--Merbabu (talk) 13:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Lead sentence and paragraphs

 * Please note lead sentence and paragraphs of wikipedia articles need tighter and less eloquent style. We do not address the reader - please read WP:MOS and subsidiary articles to understand the process of why lead sentences and lead paragraphs must be much tighter than presented in the heritage homes article. thanks SatuSuro 13:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Heritage homes of Sydney
Sardaka - you've done some excellent work compiling this info and also the pics. But, I think it needs a major change - it's huge improvement, and I'm inviting you to do it. It's not a cohesive article, rather it is a list pretending to be an article. But the solution can make you look good: each one of these is notable enough to have its own article. The info shot be chopped up into seperate articles and this page just turned into a list. That's a whole lot of new articles to your credit and you deserve it for the work you've done. Sure, in their current form they woudl be short articles, but that is more than enough, and they will grow and develop.

Have a look at the following for inspiration. Ie, the navigation templates, and the category list of articles... We could have this for Sydney - you could be wiki-immortalised as the initiator! --Merbabu (talk) 13:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Breakers
 * Chateau-sur-Mer
 * Category:Houses in Rhode Island

Re "some"
It's redundant, doesn't sound overly professional for a heading. "Prominent styles" suggests there are other styles. If there are other prominent styles then they shoudl be included. Anyway, your first opening sentence says "include". While I can't remember if it specifically addresses the use of the word "some", User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a is an excellent resource. It's not gospel, but it's very helpful. --Merbabu (talk) 14:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

18 March
Replied to your latest on my talk page. User_talk:Merbabu. regards --Merbabu (talk) 08:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

You need to include some houses that aren't in the Eastern Suburbs. Have you seen my requests above for Wahroonga and other areas? What about historic ones like the three in Parramatta? JRG (talk) 05:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)