User talk:Sariel Xilo/Archive 3

January 2022
I probably mentioned to you before that I have been compiling an enormous list of deleted and redirected tabletop games articles. It is truly epic, but by carving out more specific sets of articles it could be manageable; I have gotten help getting one or two restored here and there, and even done a few on my own. I think you are probably most comfortable with RPGs published in the 2010s because you have a skill at finding reviews published online. Would you like to take a look at this list below and see if there is anything with potential to be restored/rebuilt?: Of course, I can restore anything that has been deleted, so if you see anything here worth working on let me know! BOZ (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * About Old Storytellers or a Game of Campfire Lore (CSD) - published in 2018
 * Baker Street Roleplaying in the World of Sherlock Holmes (abandoned draft) - RPG first published in 2015
 * Cthulhu Britannica AFD (redirected) - supplement by Cubicle 7
 * Eden: the Deceit AFD - Italian RPG published in 2010
 * Event (game) (abandoned draft) - indie RPG published in 2018
 * Genesys (RPG) AFD - published by Fantasy Flight Games in 2017
 * Guns of Santa Torina (abandoned draft) - Wild West game published in 2019
 * Lex Arcana (abandoned draft) - Italian RPG first published in 1993 and republished by Quality Games in 2018
 * Mindjammer - The Roleplaying Game (abandoned draft) - Fate Core System game published in 2014
 * Novus (role-playing game) AFD - fantasy RPG published in 2011
 * Simple System Table-Top RPG (CSD) - card-based RPG published in 2014
 * Strongholds & Followers (abandoned draft) - 5th edition D&D compatible supplement
 * The Koryo Hall of Adventures (abandoned draft) - 2021 campaign setting based on Korean culture
 * The Outer (abandoned draft) - hard science fiction game in development as of 2021
 * The Tiny Horsies Role Playing Game (abandoned draft) - RPG for children published in 2014
 * Uncharted Worlds (abandoned draft) - sci-fi RPG published in 2015
 * What's O.L.D. is N.E.W. (abandoned draft) - 2016 RPG by EN Publishing

Do you have any sources that could help improve Josh Mosqueira? BOZ (talk) 01:23, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Ogre (board game) has been nominated for GAR - not the biggest deal in the world to keep it as a GA, but never hurts to have the recognition. BOZ (talk) 13:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I restored Psionics Handbook based on one review that I found, but are you aware of any others? BOZ (talk) 23:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you see any more sources for Mike Tinney, Dread: The First Book of Pandemonium, True Realm, or Ian Marsh (writer)? BOZ (talk) 13:18, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also today, TerraDrive. BOZ (talk) 13:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Alright - couldn't find anything useful for TerraDrive, Dread: The First Book of Pandemonium, True Realm or Ian Marsh. For Mike Tinney, Vice mentions he was the co-developer of the Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game. Pretty much struck out in research. Sariel Xilo (talk) 23:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I had better luck with Psionics Handbook. Additionally, RPGGeek lists 4 reviews under linked items that might be useful if you can track them down (since I'm not great at finding older print magazines). Two appear to be in German. Sariel Xilo (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I actually think The Complete Psionics Handbook, Psionics Handbook, & Expanded Psionics Handbook should be merged since all three books are essentially different editions of the same sourcebook for the different editions of D&D (like Unearthed Arcana or Monster Manual). I think it would be stronger as a single article in terms of potential AfD challenges. Thoughts? Sariel Xilo (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

February 2022
Good work on Jason Carl! If you have more sources like that for any pages at User:BOZ/Draft pages maybe we could get some of those republished! Or beyond that, if you spot anything else at User:BOZ/Games deletions that you want to take a shot at, we can get the page restored to draft space. :) BOZ (talk) 14:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Per his LinkedIn, he was at Microsoft from 2002-2012 (specifically Microsoft Game Studios from 2002 to 2009) but I can't find any sources for that besides a MobyGames credit list which places him on some Microsoft Game Studios products in that time period & a podcast interview summary. Can you see if there are better sources? Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing for him that I could see. BOZ (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Great work on the drow article too - I started working on it a long time ago to try to fit every bit of publication info I could in there... probably more than a little overkill, so judicious trimming is a good call. LOL BOZ (talk) 05:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm still not entirely sure how much of the "Greyhawk module storyline" should be left in! Do you think you could check any print magazine reviews of 3.5 Eberron books (like Secrets of Xen'drik) for commentary on the portrayal of drow? I'd like the "in various campaign settings" section to have more coverage on how the portrayals differed depending on world. Also, anything you can dig up for the Underdark because that needs work too. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There wasn't a whole lot left in the print magazine industry for these games by the time 3.5 was in publication, but I will see if I can find anything - take a look at User:BOZ/Game magazine index for an idea when most of those publications were concentrated; Pyramid may be your best bet, but the reviews online are only samples unless you subscribe. Also, I think some of the non-English publications may have lasted longer than most if you can work with that. We definitely need some coverage of the "Giants" module series, as that is the first place - ever - that drow were more than just "hey, they exist". :) BOZ (talk) 20:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Do you see anything that could help with Ethan Skemp which is at PROD? BOZ (talk) 13:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find anything on Skemp. Not going to be on much over the next few days but I just DEPRODed the ENnie Awards. If you could find anything else for it (Shannon Appelcline books?), that would helpful in case it goes to AfD. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, good catch, thanks! I will see what I can do. BOZ (talk) 17:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, as I suspected all Appelcline talks about the Ennies is who won or was nominated for an award. I notified several other users of the PROD/dePROD so maybe someone else will come up with something good! BOZ (talk) 19:32, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a little to the article, if that helps. BOZ (talk) 05:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

March 2022
Do you have anything that might help Draft:Scott Fitzgerald Gray get back into article space? BOZ (talk) 19:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

There are a number of podcast / actual play articles in draft space, are any of them worth working on? BOZ (talk) 01:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Draft:Join the Party - D&D podcast created by Multitude Productions
 * Draft:Mythic Thunderlute - fantasy podcast and musical based on D&D
 * Draft:The Broadswords (podcast) - actual play, fantasy podcast hosted by an all-women and non-binary cast


 * Do you see anything more for Super Genius Games? BOZ (talk) 13:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you see any more sources to help build the reception section on the Origins award-winning Adventures in Middle-earth which was once nominated for AFD? BOZ (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Or do you see anything for Star Wars Roleplaying Game (Fantasy Flight Games) or Settlers of America: Trails to Rails? BOZ (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

April 2022
I don't know if you got a chance to see these before they were deleted, but you were pretty new here at that time. :) I got Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons 4th edition monsters and Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition monsters (and all the other editions) restored to draft space with the intention of getting them built up well enough to move back into article space in time. :) The 2E list never got deleted, so that was built up considerably over time, with all sorts of new independent sources. Starting last week I mostly copied all of that information to the other lists, although I'm sure some of it does not make sense to be listed on every edition, but whereas most of these lists had few if any non-primary sources, they now have dozens - if not over 100! :) BOZ (talk) 22:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If I can manage to get either or both of those restored to article space, it would be a good place to build up sources for the monsters (like was done on List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters over the last two+ years) which would hopefully eventually lead to some of those articles making a comeback. :) I should also note that I got Draft:Orc (Dungeons & Dragons) and Draft:Centaur (Dungeons & Dragons) restored recently for that very potential reason! BOZ (talk) 01:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

If you come across any sources that would be useful for List of Spelljammer crystal spheres let me know, so I can request it to be moved to draft space. :) Likewise if you see anything for Monsters of Spelljammer . I know those are minutiae, but you never know what might come up, there were plenty of sources for Ravenloft fictional elements when a sourcebook for that setting was printed not long ago! BOZ (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

May 2022
Would Draft:Coyote & Crow be worthy of your time and effort? I saw someone posting about it and found the idea fascinating at least. BOZ (talk) 22:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any sources which could help with Doug Kovacs? BOZ (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

How about for Infernum (role-playing game)? BOZ (talk) 12:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * RPG Geek lists a few reviews for the first two volumes but I couldn't find them. Infernum, Volume I: Book of the Damned was reviewed in: "Eye on Mongoose" Signs & Portents (Issue 20, Mar 2005, pg2), "Games" Game Trade Magazine (Issue 209, Jul 2017, pg25), and "RPG Reviews" Fictional Reality (Issue 20, Jun 2005, pg83) . Infernum, Volume II: Book of the Tormentor was also reviewed in "RPG Reviews" Fictional Reality (Issue 20, Jun 2005, pg83) . If you can track the reviews down, that might be enough to fill in the reception section. Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

June 2022
Do you see anything more for Peter J. Wacks, who has done some work on CCGs? BOZ (talk) 22:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * How about for Smuggler's Guide to the Rim? BOZ (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Ms. Marvel episode reviews
You did a good job with the review section for episode 1 of Ms. Marvel, so not sure if you're interested in adding reviews for the other episodes. Episode 4 can move to the mainspace once it has reviews. -- Zoo (talk) 19:32, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

RPGs and games
A draft was started at Draft:Ajit George for one of the authors of your Draft:Journeys through the Radiant Citadel in case you have anything you want to add to that. :) BOZ (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Page has been merged with live article Ajit George. BOZ (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Another draft started for one of the authors of Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft at Draft:Banana Chan. BOZ (talk) 19:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I started The Monsters Know What They’re Doing last week, and hope to add more articles on recent Ennie Award winners. :) BOZ (talk) 17:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I was reminded by the most recent nomination announcement that I wanted to create an article for Uncaged (anthology). I also think that Ancestry & Culture: An Alternative to Race in 5e (Arcanist Press) had enough coverage so I'll probably circle back to that to see if I can make an article for it. I don't have time to continue updating the formatting of the Ennie list articles. If you have time, would you please add the subarticle tag to the respective talk pages (just so it is clear that the lists were spun-out)? Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely busy with work and other on-wiki projects, but I can at least add that tag to the talk pages for you. I'm looking into making Mothership Player's Survival Guide and ALIEN: The Roleplaying Game next, possibly even by the time you read this message. :) BOZ (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Do you see anything for Lisa Trutkoff Trumbauer? BOZ (talk) 03:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Ms. Marvel LDR
Hi, good work on the Kamala Khan draft. Just a heads up, I recommend using WP:LDR, preferably not to clutter text with refs in diffs (did that rhyme?) I advise to add some archives to Cite web templates and perhaps replace the mutant refs with the same mutant refs from Marvel Cinematic Universe, Draft:Mutant (Marvel Cinematic Universe), and Draft:No Normal (also WP:INFOBOXREF). — SirDot (talk) 23:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, just want to confirm if you have read my message. — SirDot (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies! I've been super busy/distracted. Due to my learning disability (some overlaps with dyslexia), I try to minimize how much I work in the source versus the visual editor because I'm more likely to make mistakes. As a result, the LDR style can be pretty inaccessible for me so I'm not likely to make that my primary way of adding sources. But I also don't really mind if someone wants to convert pre-existing sources to that style. My wikipedia time has been a bit more limited so I'm not spending much time on MCU articles in general but if you want to standardize a source across multiple articles then I don't see any issues with it. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

August 2022
Continuing on with Ennies Award winners, I started Forbidden Lands and Down Darker Trails just now. :) BOZ (talk) 02:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

September 2022
I also started Eternal Lies which is enough of these Ennies Award winners for now, and someone else started Ironsworn in case you see anything more to help that one? BOZ (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Someone started Draft:Spelljammer: Adventures in Space but it needs a lot of work, in case you were interested in building a draft up. BOZ (talk) 14:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Got it through AfC. When I was working on that, I found a bunch of sources for the album so I made Draft:Spelljams. If you have time, would you take a look? I haven't created a music article before but I think (based on WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice) it is ready for mainspace. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 03:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if you have anything for Draft:Evil Genius Productions, but it's there if you do. :) BOZ (talk) 20:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
In case you have anything for Draft:Steamforged Games, there is a draft. :) Looks like they did some miniatures for Critical Role among other projects: BOZ (talk) 17:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I started 2022 ENNIE Award winners today, finally. :) Speaking of Steamforged, they won one this year, as did the above mentioned Banana Chan. :) BOZ (talk) 22:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Bell of Lost Souls Interactive is a new article that may be worth taking a look at. BOZ (talk) 05:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

They keep trying at AFC with Draft:Evil Genius Productions but haven't been successful yet, do you see anything for that? BOZ (talk) 13:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

December 2022
Just letting you know that I requested for Orc (Dungeons & Dragons) to be undeleted and moved to draft space where I was able to add a few sources from the AD&D 2nd edition monster list, and I recently moved it back into article space and was able to adapt some text from the D&D controversies page. :) I think with all of that it's pretty safe from being deleted again? BOZ (talk) 15:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye on the TSR article. The same IP who edited that one also tried to rewrite new TSR stuff on the Jeff R. Leason article but that got reverted. BOZ (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! I just added a stub for Dungeon Delve, using a source you added to a different article, in case you have more to add to it. BOZ (talk) 04:03, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Asexual representation article
Just wanted to say thank you for adding the source / quote to entry for Straight Up on the asexual representation article. I've been frustrated lately when other editors just remove edits that fall short instead of improving them, so it was refreshing to see another editor collaborate to create useful information. Camipco (talk) 05:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I tend to try and verify info if I have the time. It also helped that I could vaguely recall the writer/director talking about it from when I did research on the film for its article (essentially about how a lot of the film isn't straight forward in its presentation of identity or romance). Sariel Xilo (talk) 06:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits on ND Stevenson
It definitely improves the page and makes it that much better, especially on Critical Role. I had previously only described Nimona as a comic rather than a webcomic because it was a webcomic, but later it was published in a book form. So, I suppose it is better to just call it a webcomic. --Historyday01 (talk) 23:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

List of Dragonlance novels
Hello.

I see you reverted my edit. Let us talk about it. I am afraid that the root of the "problem" is that you are pro-mobiles, while I am pro-computers.

It could be my mobile or the mobile browser I use, but I completely disagree on your statement "makes it more accessible (especially on mobile)".

Anyway, years ago I created a page titled "List of Dragonlance novels by author", because the books by the same author often have consistency (e.g. Richard Knaak is the author of all the stories of Kaz the Minotaur) and one author usually has a consistent writing style. The page was deleted when the main "List of Dragonlance novels" was turned into a sortable table. Indeed, if you can sort one, single table by author, the page "List of Dragonlance novels by author" becomes redundant.

On the other hand, splitting the table into decades means forcing a sorting order by publication year. In this case, the page "List of Dragonlance novels by author" should be restored.

(By the way, what does "rvt" mean? I found 27 meanings for it (on abbreviations.com), and none fits.)

This is my point of view, I assure you I am in good faith, and I am sure your point of view takes into account something that did not occur to me. I will gladly read your opinion. --Abacos (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Mention
Dear Sariel Xilo, I mentioned you at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The thread is "FrankensteinsDad".---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 04:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * After my info about Greg Rucka's son was removed from his article, even though I provided at least ten reference sources, I was told specifically to discuss it further on Greg Rucka's talk page. Then when I post a comment on the talk page asking for a discussion I get indefinitely BLOCKED? What a joke! Why didn't you guys just tell me Greg Rucka didn't want any deroggatory information on his page? That would've been a lot simpler. FrankensteinsDad (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC) FrankensteinsDad (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Magic: The Gathering rules
Did you miss my ping at Talk:Magic: The Gathering rules? I'd be interested in what you have to say there. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed the ping! I've been super busy for months (thus the tag on my talk/user page) & this article fell off my watchlist. I think WikiProject Board and table games is a great suggestion for getting a second opinion on sources and for asking other editors to take a look at the article. At a glance, I would would suggest restoring the definition of mana (or adding a more clear definition to the Mana costs and colors section). However, I don't have the bandwidth at the moment to really review the updates you've made to this article in any depth. I'm hoping to increase my Wikipedia time in the next few months. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

About Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus
Hello Sariel. I think we disagree on what a prequel is. According to this same Wikipedia, too, a prequel is a work of fiction released later, but taking place earlier than the original work. Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus was published before Baldur's Gate III, therefore it is not a prequel, but a prologue. The quoted people who called it a "prequel" are wrong. It is not my personal opinion, it is the definition of the word "prequel". --Abacos (talk) 00:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see my response at Talk:Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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