User talk:Sascha Kreiger

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 * Some indirect evidences indicate that you and are either the same person, or you act in concert. Please keep in mind that per our policy you cannot run more than one account without declaring that they are related.--Paul Siebert (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well no crap we're the same person because this is Sascha Kreiger. Also, I think it's pretty obvious why I would act in concert with Alex and any other people she decided to bring in.  She brought us in because you were running a historical revisionist flame war along with your group of e-thugs, and making it impossible for factual and historical edits to the article.  I find it very strange that you would bring up sock puppetry when you already know why we're editing the same article.


 * Sascha Kreiger (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant "Genocide Denial Watch" (I've posted a copy of this message at his page and forgot to change the name). Regarding "act in concert", please, keep in mind that our policy specifically prohibits to "recruit your friends, family members, or communities of people who agree with you for the purpose of coming to Wikipedia and supporting your side of a debate". That means that you should openly declare the connection between the members of your team, however, since you are not independent users, your opinion will be treated accordingly during the consensus building process. Please, keep in mind that after recent scandals with off-Wiki coordination between the group of users who were acting in accord disruptively, WP community is very sensitive to any attempts of this kind, and any undisclosed coordination may inflict severe sanctions on all members of your team. Moreover, even requesting other users to join some discussion to affect its outcome is considered as canvassing and is not allowed. I myself never ask anyone to join the discussions I participate in to avoid any possibility that I unintentionally interfered into the consensus building process.
 * In summary, if you are able to provide Alex with an intellectual help (bring new sources, propose better wording, etc) go ahead. However, your attempt to support her by simply adding your voiced is against our policy and will have an opposite effect.
 * If you have additional questions about our policy, I'll gladly answer.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think Alex had it planned from the beginning to form some sort of group page on a user space page to make it clear that we were working in a group. Possibly having some sort of template on all of our user pages may be a good idea, as I am a wiki sysop for other websites, and I try to do things to minimize the look of conspiracy or sock puppetry.  I will remind everyone to keep as much communication as possible on this site, to prevent appearance of sock puppetry or conspiracy.  Also, just because you say you don't communicate with other users who come to your defense, highly conveniently, as I have been told, as there are many other ways to communicate off of this website; I keep this in mind when dealing with other users and policy on the websites I administrate.


 * I think it's important to add that I don't agree with a lot of what Alex says, and that I'm not here to be a robot for her cause. I may consider myself independent from her group for this reason.


 * Sascha Kreiger (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

ANI
You are being discussed at WP:ANI. TFD (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

 * For reviewing admins please see the ANI thread and the WP:SPI case. Also contrary to the above unblock request this account has indeed explained what happened-- Cailil  talk 18:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)