User talk:Sator

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I would like to thank you for considerably expanding and improving the articles on frock coats, morning coats, and other such items, a subject which is unfortunately of little concern to many. If you are, as I hope, planning on making further improvements, you should take a few points into consideration. In particular, the purpose of Wikipedia is to describe the subjects in consideration, so "should", "must", and other such statements are generally not used. Instead, one should describe current and historical practices. For example, "Bow ties are not usually worn with frock coats or morning coats." follows this guideline, whereas "Like morning coats, frock coats must only be worn for day time formal events." doesn't.

I'm also uncertain about the sentence "Long ties and bow ties also lack authenticity as a cravat was usual with a frock coat...". While the cravat was usual in the circumstances described, I do seem to recall a considerable number of examples of frock coats being worn with bow ties and long ties. Would it be more accurate to say that they "were unusual" or "uncommon", rather than "lack authenticity"? It would be nice as well to have images of earlier frock coats (perhaps circa 1840) to show the evolution of the coat, but I'm not sure of any accurate representations of coats from that period that are out of copyright (Waugh has new drawings, if I recall correctly, and Cunnington, the only other source I have seen, mainly has rather unrealistic period trade drawings).

Finally, you might want to consider revising some of the articles which you are using as links. Oxford shoe is very short, and is lacking in the description of the style (it also has no image). Cravat redirects to necktie, which is a decent article, but it does not note differences in terminology between British and American English, and Ascot tie is in need of considerable improvement.

Again, thank you for your improvements, and I hope you will continue to improve the coverage of the subject in Wikipedia, since there are very few editors who have sufficient knowledge of the subject, especially in regard to historical issues and developments. --Constantine Evans 07:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice work
Lovely work on Frock coat. We could use someone with expertise on men's wear in the various articles on the 19th century in the History of Western fashion series, if you are so inclined (and we really need to start 1900-1915 in fashion...). - PKM 17:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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Wagner controversies
Hi, I reverted your changes to Wagner controversies en masse mainly because (some of) the quotes you added seemed excessively long and detailed and the interpretations you suggested were rather WP:OR. Because this topic seems very sensitive editors should perhaps be ultra-cautious in offering interpretations of what Wagner wrote - (especially as W.himself was rarely consistent). Best, --Smerus (talk) 18:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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