User talk:SatyrBot/Archive 1

Adding the LGBT template
Hello SatyrTN and your friendly bot! Could you change your bot to add the LGBT template as instead of  ? That would make adding the class easier for us here human types. Thanks! --Tiger Marc ROAR! 02:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Now, I see it wasn't your bot at all! I was looking at Talk:Bialogue. Another Wikipedian undid your classification as Stub. You may ignore this request. Thanks! --Tiger Marc ROAR! 03:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Jean-Yves Thibaudet
Jean-Yves Thibaudet was added into the WikiProject LGBT studies by this bot. FYI, I'm removing this classification as the important thing about Jean-Yves Thibaudet is that he is a pianist and I'd rather see his article improved by pianists than flamboyant homosexuals who just fill the article with details about his clothing... (Consider this self irony, I'm gay myself.)--Wormsie 17:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I just noticed that an article can belong to more than one WikiProject. :-) I'll let it stay then. --Wormsie 17:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Desiree
I looked her up - apparently it was a one-off. She's currently married to a man, and I couldn't find anything saying she was bisexual, so I removed the tag. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmph. Imagine people defying categorization!  The nerve... :) -- SatyrBot 23:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Victor Salva
I thought I should bring it to your attention that this bot tagged the talk page of Victor Salva with the LGBT template. Salva is a film director who is a convicted child molester. You might want to make some changes to your bot to avoid this in the future.--Jersey Devil 08:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * He's listed in the category Category:LGBT actors from the United States, which qualifies him for the WikiProject. His being a convicted child molester doesn't disqualify him, though.  Thanks for the comment! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  15:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Gender issues in the British theatre and music hall
Hi there, I noticed the recent addition of your bots LGBT banner to two 19th/early 20th century music hall performers. I also noticed that both had been categorised Transgender and transsexual people (Vesta Tilley and Hetty King). There is a long tradition in the British theatre of actors transcending gender stereotypes - one of the reasons for this is that the performer is given greater latitude for parody and satire with the audience (a parallel is that of a performer playing drunk). This cross dressing tradition applies equally to males and females, with females usually performing more 'serious roles' and males tending more to pastiche.

There appears to be a conflation of the roles these actors played and their sexual orientation (maybe someone read Tipping the Velvet too often). That, I think would have the danger of reducing the focus of your project. There is an issue for exploration here - why is it acceptable to UK audiences (including children), and a niche cabaret act in the states; why does the audience give the character greater latitude? But ultimately, playing Coriolanus, doesn't make me a serial killer.

All the best Kbthompson 09:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

arbitrary removal of "pederasty in ancient Greece" category
Hi. It has not been easy keeping up with human vandals, dealing with a bot is beyond my abilities. Can you please deal with this, reverse all the deletions, or substantiate them? If you respond, please do so on my talk page, so I can see it. Thanks, Haiduc 18:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The latest one (or the one I most recently noticed) is in Aeschines, one of the most important articles in the history of Greek pederasty. There have been others, but I was too frazzled at the time to deal with them, so I would ask you to restore all the pederasty category tags, and if there is any question about any of them to let me know. There could not be that many more people building up that category, and everything I tagged is verifiable. Haiduc 20:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. This has actually been very useful. I added documentation on Parmenides and Aeschines. The same for Tsunayoshi Tokugawa, where I replaced the old category with Category:Shudo, the new one for the Japanese entries. Curzon I had already restored - he is mentioned in the intro as Oscar Browning's favorite. I am glad you are going over all these articles, if you notice any other unsupported tags please let me know. Haiduc 23:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

USA Perpignan
Your bot has just added the Wikiproject Spain tag to this article. However Perpignan is in France not Spain. I don't if it is possible to refine your bot, but the Northern part of Catalonia is in France and this kind of error is likely to reoccur.GordyB 14:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll check with WikiProject Spain to see what they want to do about that issue. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:Knights of the Golden Fleece
Your bot tagged all articles in this category as belonging to the Spain Wikiproject. Could you undo this? Many of the category members should probably not be assigned to the Spain project, like William II, German Emperor. Thank you, Kusma (è¨è«) 08:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Same with British monarchs Astrotrain 09:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have removed your tag from Bloodless bullfighting as your tag was inaccurate. MikeHobday 10:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Eberhard I, Duke of WÃ¼rttemberg
Your last bot edit was reverted. I donÂ´t really know why, because your stub made sense to me.--Tresckow 18:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know! I think WikiProject Spain has it under advisement. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  05:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a automated to all bot operators
Please take a few moments and fill in the data for your bot on Bots/Status Thank you Betacommand (talk â¢ contribs â¢ Bot) 19:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

bot can't spell!
"Steb"-class. See ya! =) â coe l acan t a lk  â 02:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thppft!!!!!!!!! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * How did you guess that I'm a Meadow Party sympathizer? â coe l acan t a lk  â 05:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well now - I had no idea you were that way! :) -- SatyrBot 23:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Automated message to bot owners
As a result of discussion on the village pump and mailing list, bots are now allowed to edit up to 15 times per minute. The following is the new text regarding bot edit rates from Bot Policy: "Until new bots are accepted they should wait 30-60 seconds between edits, so as to not clog the recent changes list and user watchlists. After being accepted and a bureaucrat has marked them as a bot, they can edit at a much faster pace. Bots doing non-urgent tasks should edit approximately once every ten seconds, while bots who would benefit from faster editing may edit approximately once every every four seconds." Also, to eliminate the need to spam the bot talk pages, please add Bot owners' noticeboard to your watchlist. Future messages which affect bot owners will be posted there. Thank you. --Mets501 04:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Charles Rust-Tierney
Why did you add the LGBTProject category to Charles Rust-Tierney? Harksaw 12:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Or Dionysus?--FlammingoHey 18:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Most High Grand Magnificent and Glorious Barnstar of National Merit-Spain
The Most High Grand Magnificent and Glorious Barnstar of National Merit-Spain is hereby awarded to SatyrBot for service above and beyond the call of duty, for an excellent inaugural effort by a bot, and for only need an extra shot of WD-40 to keep on keeping on! Â¡Muchas gracias! Espana  Viva  21:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL! Thanks so much! :) Let me know if I or the bot can provide any further assistance! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  22:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Frederic Prokosch
Hello. I notice you removed Prokosch from the Gay Writer's category in the Frederic Prokosch article. Prokosch was definitely gay, and it's common knowledge that he was gay. However, he lived in a time when people weren't openly gay. It is necessary to remove him from the category? Griot 18:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

ISS and Spain
Why did your bot add a Wikiproject Spain template to the talk page for the International Space Station? Sdsds 20:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. At the time, the article (for no reason I can fathom) was in the Category:Prince of Asturias Award winners, which was part of WikiProject Spain.  I'll put a note on the person I coordinated with (EspanaViva) to see if it should still stay there or not.  I note, however, that Spain is one of the 15 countries involved, so maybe they'll want to keep the banner there. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  22:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Films
Your bot keeps adding the Film template to articles about actors. The article isn't about a film, nor is it about a character in a film. It doesn't seem that this is being properly applied, or else the wording for the template needs to be changed to reflect that articles on actors or actresses should have the tag, too. (I don't think that's the intent.) Examples are Jon King (porn star), John Davenport (porn star), and Jeremiah Rydell. &mdash; Chidom   talk   03:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Kew Constabulary
Your bot keeps adding (twice in the last two days) the LocateMeBot template to Kew Constabulary. This isn't a place, it's (as is pretty obvious from the name) a law enforcement agency. Although I'm only aware of it doing it to this article because I happen to be watching it following a recent rewrite, presumably it's doing it to other inappropriate pages as well. Is there at least any way it can be set to not return to re-add templates to pages from which they've been deleted? -  irides centi   (talk to me!)  17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

London Outer Orbital Path
The bot has added LocateMe twice to this page recently, but it's inappropriate to have geographical coordinates on an article dealing with a 150 mile walking route! Please exclude this page from the parameters. Thanks, Bencherlite 21:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Block
Please note I have blocked this bot for the time being, till the current project is sorted out properly through discussion, in order to prevent unlimited articles being tagged with LocateMe template. It is being discussed at User_talk:SatyrBot/Current_project and has also been posted at Administrators%27_noticeboard. Tyrenius 00:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Benefits
It seems that tagging articles pays off:, , , , , ,. Andy Mabbett 21:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Another: Andy Mabbett 23:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest a preferable solution is to make a centralised list of articles needing co-ordinates, so that those skilled in providing them can work through it. Tyrenius 00:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The tag already adds articles to such a category; but doing that alone will not draw in or educate new users and will not attract people with local knowledge. Andy Mabbett 08:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I was suggesting a list, not a category. Local knowledge isn't what's needed. It's knowledge of geographical co-ordinates. There is a project for people already. Anyway, I don't think anyone's objecting to a note on the talk page, like other projects. Tyrenius 09:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Since when was Crown_Jewels_of_the_United_Kingdom a place? Philip Trueman 18:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * From that page "The Crown Jewels have been kept at the Tower of London since 1303". Andy Mabbett 20:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Reversing LocateMe
Have you been able to reverse the effects of the LocateMe exercise, to remove the template from the article space and add it to the talk space. note that a) there is no consensus on Template talk:LocateMe for inclusion of the tag on the article space; and AFAIK your bots were given permission to add to the talk page only. --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * Sorry. A combination of other projects and my wanting to distance myself completely from the whole situation put moving the templates on the back burner.  I'll try to get to that today. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  20:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * NP. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

LGBT to do list
Hey, love the List (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies/to do full list) but I'm wondering if you can somehow program the bot to break it into actual sections rather than just separated with bold headings. As it is very long, it would be easier to navigate down to Articles to Clean Up, for example, by using the Table of Contents. TAnthony 03:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm - very good point! &lt;/me scurries off to smack the bot around&gt; -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  03:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, perfect, I love you ... TAnthony 07:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * &lt;blush&gt; &lt;pause&gt; Wait - me or the bot? :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Project tag adding
When adding the Chicago Project tags, make sure that you are adding them to the banner shell as was established to minimize the amount of room that is taken up as was the case with Mary Stanisia. Thanks!--Kranar drogin 14:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ella Cara Deloria
Please stop adding the Project Chicago tag to the Ella Cara Deloria page. She only spent a short time there and is not normally identified with the city. Vizjim 06:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Copy of talk page response: I am the Director of WP:WPChi.  This is a newly active project.  In order to quickly assess all the thousands of articles within the domain of the project I have created a list of categories that I am having a bot tag with ChicagoWikiProject.  As you can see if an article includes the Category:University of Chicago alumni it is tagged.  What would make sense is that you might manually change the tag to  .  This would indicate that only a very select few Chicagoans would attach significance to her role as a Chicagoan.  As an encyclopedia, if an article wishes to have such a category, we should provide succinct information on the significance of it in such a way.  Let me know if this is a problem.  TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 05:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Further Debate at User_talk:Vizjim & User_talk:TonyTheTiger. This is the only complainant out of the 7000 pages you have tagged for me. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 18:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Error
In this edition:. Grzegorz Wysocki 10:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanxs - I've adjusted all instances to fix that. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!  And thanks for the image :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  13:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Project
What is VERY frusterating, is the bot does not recognize that groups are shelled in a talk page, so I have to go in and insert the project that the bot has added into the shell. Is there a way to do this the first time, rather than having to do the same action twice? I have seen this happen on multiple articles now. Just want to know before I spend my time fixing them. Thanks much for the info!--Kranar drogin 03:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

CGW/C&NW Railway associated articles
Hi. I noticed that the bot is categorizing articles in Category:Chicago Great Western Railway and Chicago and North Western Railway as being part of the Chicago WikiProject. Some of those categorizations may be legitimate (like Twin Cities 400, which actually went between Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul), while others (like Cannon Valley Trail) aren't anywhere near Chicago. The same goes for Minneapolis and St. Louis Railway, which went nowhere near Chicago. (In fact, it never got to St. Louis either. It reached Peoria and that's as close as it got.)  What's more, after an editor removed Talk:Cannon Valley Trail from the category once, the bot added it again, and I then removed it again. Is there a way to prevent the bot from adding ChicagoWikiProject back to an article once it's been removed? For example, checking the history to see if SatyrBot has already been there. That would prevent some frustration. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

LGBT issues
The following page is supposed ot pick up only entries tagged as being related to the paranormal. However, all of the entries in the Afd category are actually LGBT pages, not paranormal pages. - perfectblue 13:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary.
I don't suppose your edit summary could be more explicit, saying what tag it's adding? —RuakhTALK 15:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about your bot
Hi Satyr, we have a question about your bot: if we ask you to place a tag on a particular category, will it also add the tag to all subcategories? (Reason is, we want to tag some articles on in a cat but not in its subcats.) Thanks, --Zvika 13:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Francis Ernest Lloyd
Greetings! I noticed your bot re-added the Alabama WikiProject tag to Francis Ernest Lloyd. I removed the tag previously because Lloyd only taught at an Alabama institution for a short time and doesn't seem to fall within the scope of that WikiProject. If I were to remove the tag again, will the bot re-add it because it meets search criteria? How could we modify the criteria so it doesn't come up on a search again? Cheers, --Rkitko (talk) 12:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Another try with logic
Greetings SatyrTN, the discussion has closed on the Logic categories. We have eliminated everything which raised any known concern. This is the list of categories to untag, and the new list of categories to tag. Let me know if this is okay. I am sorry for all the controversy. Thank you enormously for this service. Gregbard 00:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I have recently been working on a banner for the philosophy project with fields. Perhaps the logic tag would be more productive as a philosophy tag with the logic field. It would save time doing it now rather than undo it later. In the end the tag:  will serve our needs. Any thoughts? Gregbard 15:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Paranormal/To do list full
Is there any reason why the bot has blanked WikiProject Paranormal/To do list full?
 * Yeh, the server filled up at some point last night and wasn't able to write the files it needed. It should work tonight. Sorry for that! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  18:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Jody Wagner/WikiProject Chicago
I was wondering if you noticed my recent comments on the WikiProject Chicago Talk page regarding the questionable inclusion of Virginia Secretary of Finance Jody Wagner in WikiProject Chicago, which was tagged by SatyrBot. If you would like to read them for further information, my comments relating to this matter can be found under the heading "Jody Wagner" on the aforementioned WikiProject Chicago Talk page. --TommyBoy 23:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Jon Corzine
This change is controversial and has been reverted a number of times previously. Please don't simply continue to revert this, and exclude the article from future runs. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of why the bot is making the edit, and the WikiProject is well aware of the fact that it is controversial; it has been discussed on the article talk page and more recently here. My point was to let you know that regardless of the instructions of the WikiProject, the edit is controversial and therefore not appropriate for your bot to make. Christopher Parham (talk) 01:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In order to accommodate you, I'd have to program the bot to pay special attention to one article out of the thousands that it accesses for each WikiProject. Until there is some sort of consensus on who gets to define a WikiProject's scope, I'm going to leave the bot as it is and allow the WikiProject itself to define it's scope. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure "I'll just keep reverting because to do otherwise would inconvenience me" is a particularly good rationale; certainly it wouldn't fly for a human editor, so why would it for a bot? Consider Wikipedia_talk:Bot_policy. Certainly you are welcome to join the discussion, but if you aren't interested in doing so it is inappropriate for you to repeatedly revert. Christopher Parham (talk) 02:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Bug?
If SatyrBot/Maintenance logs was created by the bot, it looks like something needs to be fixed. User:SatyrBot/Maintenance logs already exists or I would have moved it there myself. Hellosandimas 04:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Working properly?
The last update to Template:WikiProjectBannerShell/Cleanup project SB seems to have listed every article that already has a banner shell and not those in need of one. Woodym555 13:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeh - I'm in the middle of rewriting the bot and something seems to have messed up. I'm going to turn it off for that task until I get things straightened out. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  14:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Shall i revert it to the old version so we can see what needs cleaning up from last time? It depends on how long the bot is going to be out for really. Woodym555 14:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea - the full list isn't helpful to anyone :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Chicago double tagging
Hey there, your tagging articles that have already been tagged, such as at Talk:Allan Miller House.IvoShandor 09:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:Art Green was also double tagged. Clerks. 10:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:Arthur Heurtley House, Talk:Argonne National Laboratory too. IvoShandor 10:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:1977 Chicago Loop derailment, Talk:Balaban and Katz‎, Talk:Aon Center (Chicago)‎, and Talk:Belt Railway of Chicago‎ too... glad to see it's temporarily blocked. Kevin Forsyth 14:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the bot until you get back from you vacation and can fix it. Natalie 13:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see it's blocked, I came here to tell you about the double-tagging on Talk:Articles of Faith (band). Cheers, Pete.Hurd 16:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the bot mad it through the numbers, As, and some of the Bs.--Kranar drogin 23:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Fish
The discussion page for Stanley Fish does not need or warrant a template for WP Chicago. First, he is neither a native or a resident of the city of Chicago. Second, he is no longer employed by UIC, and hasn't been for a couple of years now. Third, the article itself mentions Chicago in passing, and is not directly related to Chicago in any way other than the aforementioned fact. The template should be removed accordingly. Ryecatcher773 16:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent double-tagging and errors
Thanks much for the indications of the bot's errors. I'm currently in a major re-write of the bot's code, so all automated projects and processes have been taken off line and are not active. If you need a particular task done, it's probably better to address your needs to WP:BOTREQ. Thanks! -- User:SatyrTN 17:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Still double tagging
Ahoy, Satyrbot still seems to be double tagging. Or maybe you only just shut it down? . The Parsnip! 03:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Parsnip! That was part of the October 1st error.  The bot has been shut down.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  04:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

How's it goin?
It looks like you are pretty busy! Do you think I should place a request at bot requests? I think there is a big enough job with WP:PHILO that if I have someone else do Ethics, Epistemology, Metaphysics, and Aesthetics, there will still be plenty left. OR... perhaps you are doing a stellar re-write which is worth waiting for? Just let me know what the outlook is. Be well, Greg Bard 22:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Error
Have a look. In an old unsigned post that SineBot added a signature line to, SatyrBot removed an em dash and dropped in a question mark. The Parsnip! 20:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Alan Alda and WP:WPChi??
Regarding this edit... I'm not sure what the connection is, but it definitely deserves some kind of explanation. Chicago isn't even mentioned on Alan Alda's page. What does he have to do with the WikiProject and why is the article being watched by this bot? Paul C/T+ 03:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Psantora! At the time of the bot's edit (see ), Alan Alda was in the Category:Second City alumni, which is on the WikiProject Chicago's list of cats for the bot.  Tenuous, I agree.  You might mention it on the project's talk page, and/or remove that cat from the list the bot runs. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  03:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. I removed the category from the article since there is no reference stating Alda was a member of the group and there is no mention of the group at all on the article page.  (Response copied from my talk page to keep thread all in one place.) Paul C/T+ 04:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Kewl - if he's not in the cat, the bot won't bother him :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

One day International
[cross-posted from WP:BOTREQ] Perhaps I didn't qualify my request well enough. I wasn't suggesting we needed to change ODI to ODI becasue that is unnecessary, per WP:R2D -- "ODI" is a valid abbreviation to display. I was talking specifically of unpiped links. &mdash;Moondyne 01:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah. Hm. Well, it's running with the command to replace piped or unpiped.  I can stop it and tell it to ignore piped links if you want - it's about a third through.  Your call. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  02:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If there's still a reasonable amount to do, I'd skip piped links. &mdash;Moondyne 04:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Geoboxes
SatyrBot just added some geoboxes to some towns (such as Metcalf, Illinois and Kansas, Illinois), and there are at least two issues: it added "XXX" to the area code field and "XXXXX" to the ZIP code field; and more significantly, the red dot on the locator map is off -- for example, Metcalf is shown as being over the state line in Indiana. Omnedon (talk) 19:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I see that the XXX and XXXXX thing is intentional, per the current project page... FYI, that sort of thing can be determined through the use of TIGER data. Omnedon (talk) 19:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, Omnedon - yeh, the area code and zip code were done intentionally. I'll mention to WP:ILLINOIS that their map seems to be off.  Thanks for pointing it out! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  19:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I neglected to say earlier -- impressive work with this bot. If it would be helpful for future runs in Illinois, I can provide you with a list of townships for each city and village, for inclusion in the infobox.  Likewise, I can provide the ZCTAs -- which, I realize, aren't quite the same as ZIP codes, but spot checks indicate that for actual towns the numbers should match up.  I can generate these lists based on TIGER map lookups. Omnedon (talk) 01:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :) I may run the bot on a similar task for WP:NH and offer the same services to the other states, so having the ZCTA's would be better than nothing for that.  Appreciate the offer and I'll let you know for sure! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  01:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, since SatyrBot is in PHP, I can give you the code I've been using to do the lookups (since I use PHP as well). Then you'd just have to download the shape data for the state(s) in question from tiger.census.gov, and you could do all the lookups yourself.  Not that you couldn't write that yourself, but if you don't already have such code, you wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel.  Are you at all familiar with MapScript?  You'd need that as well. Omnedon (talk) 12:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh goody! A new language/platform/whatever you want to call it :) Given that I have absolutely no knowledge of how any of that works, I may just leave it to you.  I'll take a look, though - always like testing out new language structures and stuff.  I really am a geek :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  15:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

There has been a fix for the maps. If you get a chance, could you run that bot to change the map settings as soon as you can. Also, is there any ways we can figure out which cities have infoboxes, which have the old geobox, and which have that chicago template by chance? Maybe make a list of them or something? Can the bot do something like that? Let me know so we can get ready to change those all over also. Thanks!--Kranar drogin (talk) 01:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Another possible run, is we are going to have to remove all these images right|Location of Oak Grove, Illinois, it causes basically another map to be on there, see Oak Grove, Illinois. Would this be something the bot can do, or should I do it through AWB. Let me know either way. Looking good!--Kranar drogin (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hm. I'm not sure the bot can do that, since the image name will be different for each article? Or will they all be "ILMap-doton-something.PNG"?
 * BTW, the list of articles that have Geobox, Infobox, or Chicagoland Municipalities is on the log page - it kept track as it was going through them. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They all would be "ILMap-doton-something.PNG". Ok, thanks for that list, cause we are going to have have to convert all the info boxes. I don't know if I will just do it manually yet, or if I might pester you about it. haha.--Kranar drogin (talk) 09:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you think the 55 maps listed at commons:Category:Maps of Illinois are all of them? Or are some of them in other cats?  I'm trying to figure the best way of removing them, whether that's go through all the cities/town/villages and see if there's an image named that, or go through a category and see which ones are on a c/t/v article. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  15:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I would say no, simply because I think some were moved to Commons, and then removed from that category here. I would say the safest (not easiest though) would be go to through all the cities.--Kranar drogin (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I was wondering, can the bot be used to convert infoboxes to geoboxes? This would make things easier for all the cities and villages in the state. If not, then I can do it manually.--Kranar drogin 18:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm - it could, but since there are only 55 Illinois articles that use Infobox, it would take more time to program the bot to do it than it would for you to do it by hand. Sorry :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  20:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Very true. Ummm...Is there a single list of them that I could check off rather than going through your list you had there on that page? If not, no worries. Also, what about the old geobox, geobox1? Is there a way to convert those, or would take take too much time also. I could convert them manually also. Also, could the bot convert all the township infoboxes and geoboxes? There are A LOT. Like 1400 I think. Maybe less. Let me know when you get a chance. Thanks! The cities and whatnot look great!--Kranar drogin 04:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Further Geoboxes in Illinois
Hi, Kranar - was time to break this into a new section. I dropped off a list of the cities/towns/villages in Illinois that are using an Infobox on your talk page. To your other questions:
 * 1) Geobox1 - what template would that be using? Do you mean Geobox City? I can take a look at that one and see a) how many C/T/V in Ill are using it and b) what parameters would need to be converted.  I'll get back to you on that.
 * Yes that is the one.
 * 1) "convert all the township infoboxes and geoboxes?" So this would be taking List_of_townships_in_Illinois, checking each one to see if it has a geobox or an infobox, and converting them to the  - is that what you mean? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  06:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, that is what I mean exaxtly. Some though such as Marion Township, Ogle County, Illinois are under the Geobox Township, which is just a redirect to the old Geobox1 (which is thos Geoboxes that aren't Geobox|Settlement. Basically there is Geobox, infobox, infobox settlement. Another example would be Burton Township, Adams County, Illinois.--Kranar drogin 07:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What would be really handy is if somone on the Geobox2 team had a mapping of old parameters to new. If you know someone that's worked on that, let me know? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  15:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Caroig would be the guy to contact. He works the most with making the geoboxes work properly.--Kranar drogin 15:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Chavez and Judaism project
This bot recently added Criticism of Hugo Chavez to WikiProject Judaism This was done without any consensus from the participants in the project or even notification to them that it would be done. The only imaginable pretext for inclusion of Chavez there is that he's reputed to have made some antisemitic remarks, but WikiProject Judaism specifically excludes antisemitism from its scope. This resulted in editors exchanging a number of messages trying to figure out how it came to be placed there and whether there was any consensus for it.

I suspect this is not the first or only time something like this has happened, as I've seen some dubious additions to WikiProjects such as this and this (note that the main George Morrison article can now be found at George Morrison (director, acting teacher). Mr. Morrison was born in Evanston, IL and attended the University of Chicago, but the bulk of his notable work has been done on the east coast and in New York City. I doubt whether any of the participants in WikiProject Chicago even know that he's been added to their project. In my view, the addition of pages to WikiProjects by a bot without the knowledge or consensus of the projects' participants is dubious at best and quite likely creating a huge cleanup job for project participants trying to wade through a sea of pages that have nothing to do with their projects and delete those tags.

I haven't looked deeply into this bot's edit history yet (I intend to), but I suspect I'm going to find a lot more of this. I also suspect I'm going to end up asking that this bot's operations, or at least its operations with regard to WikiProjects, be suspended until a satisfactory solution can be devised.

By the way, if a human editor sees that a page has been added to a WikiProject in error and deletes it, I certainly hope this bot won't come along and re-add it. Just hoping against hope, I guess. --Steven J. Anderson 01:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, Steven,
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll notify WP:Judaism about that article. I see that by "recently" you mean back on August 29th.  At that time, the bot was running a list of categories for the WikiProject and tagging them with the banner - one of which was Category:Antisemitism.  You're right that there wasn't consensus on the list, though at the time I didn't know that. The ensuing discussion can be found here.  On September 2 I realized that there hadn't been consensus and notified the project that the bot wouldn't be working on that task anymore.  You can see the comments I received while the bot was running User talk:SatyrBot/Archive 10.


 * As for WikiProject Chicago, they maintain a list of categories here and have asked the bot to routinely review (Tuesdays and Fridays) the categories and to automatically add the project banner to any that don't have it. On the occasions where something like Mr. Morrison come up, I usually refer them back to the project to either a) discuss the applicability of the category or b) remove the category from the list themselves, preferring the former, of course.
 * If, however, the project does not want to remove the category and the article is clearly not within the project's scope, you do have the option of adding a to the article, which will deter the bot from adding any project banner.


 * I hope that explains those situations to your satisfaction, but please feel free to ask me to clarify if it doesn't.


 * As a side note, I find your assumption of bad faith on the part of the bot to be upsetting. The bot may not have feelings, but its owner does.  Threats are rude and uncivil.  Please consider that before posting.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your swift and courteous reply. First let me assure you that I wasn't assuming bad faith on either your part or the bot's and I don't think my comments are consistent with such an interpretation. Also, I did not intend for any of my remarks to be seen as a threat, just a polite heads-up about what course of action I was considering


 * That aside, I have a few more comments, questions, and requests.


 * First, although you clearly communicated with Wikiproject Judaism about what your bot was doing, its activities seem to have been lost to the project's collective memory, since when a user came to our talk page asking how the Chavez link got there, it didn't seem to ring a bell with anyone.


 * Second, are you routinely reviewing pages for WikiProject Judaism as you are for Wikiproject Chicago?


 * Third, if you are doing so, would it be possible to automate the bot to leave a message on Wikiproject Judaism's talk page that would look something like this?
 * Today SatyrBot added the following pages to Wikiproject Judaism: Article A, Article B, Article C, Article D.
 * This would help us all to remember that SatyrBot is working for us, give us an opportunity to review the additions, and help us avoid confusion like that we just experienced. I haven't discussed this possibility with anyone at the project yet, I'm just brainstorming ideas on ways to improve communication.


 * Fourth, can you post a link to a list of categories that SatyrBot uses for inclusion in WikiProject Judaism, similar to the WikiProject Chicago list you linked above?


 * And again, sorry, about the tone. I've found myself more than once getting overly cranky about something that happens on Wikipedia only to find out that what I was upset about was mostly nothing. However I do think it would be a good idea for you and Project Judaism to keep in touch about your bot's efforts on our behalf, especially if it's still flagging articles for us.


 * In the interest of full transparency, let me state that all views expressed by me on this talk page are mine alone, and have been approved by no other member of Wikiproject Judaism. Again, thank you for your kind attention. Warm regards, and happy editing. I will watch this page for any reply--Steven J. Anderson 05:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That may be the first time I've gotten a disclaimer message :) Thanks for the giggle :)
 * I may have over-reacted to your tone - I apologize. We're working towards the same end, and that's a good thing™ :)
 * The bot isn't doing any routine maintenance for WP:Judaism and hasn't done any work for the project since September 2. If I recall correctly, my last message to the project was that if they gave me a set of categories to *undo*, I would sic the bot on those. The list that the bot *was* working from is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Categories. You can see there's been no activity on it since September either - I think Java7837 must have given up.
 * If you're interested, the bot does more than simple tagging on its maintenance runs. Take a look at User:SatyrBot/WikiProject_Services for a description of the two main services the bot is good at.  For WP:LGBT, we have it set up to deliver a report, like you mentioned in #3 above, instead of automatically adding the banner.  That way an editor can review the report and either remove a (usually vandalous) category or can add the project banner.
 * Let me know if you're interested in either of those. And Happy Editing! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:VG
Hi SatyrN, this is in response to a request I made earlier on WP:BOTREQ. WikiProject Video games currently has a huge number of tedious maintenance tasks that could better be handled by a bot. I'm not sure if SatyrBot can do all of these, but any of them would greatly alleviate some project member's work. The project is quite active, therefore these tasks are mostly maintenance tasks. The following is currently done manually: User:Krator (t c) 14:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Updating Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/to do. Taking a look at User:SatyrBot/WikiProject to do lists, many of the things that are on that page were on VG to do as well, but it was recently decided that some of the things the todo template listed were not very useful to editors. The only things to be updated now are the peer reviews, articles for cleanup and featured article candidates. See below.
 * Peer review. WikiProject Video games/Peer review is the peer review department, and ideally the latest 5 articles or so should be on the todo template. Reviews untouched for a month are archived to WikiProject Video games/Peer review/Archive. Something the bot could do, if possible: look at WP:PR, and check articles for video game project tags, then add them to the VG list.
 * Cleanup. WikiProject Video games/Cleanup cleans up articles. Articles requested for cleanup by project members should be at the todo template. Something the bot could do, if possible, is to replace all generic -like tags on articles with.
 * Deletion. As in WP:BOTREQ.


 * Hi, Krator! You've made me re-think (a little bit) how the bot makes its report, so I thank you for that :) Also, the bot isn't checking for FAC or for PR right now, so that's something I can expand.
 * The other two things - modifying the PR page, replacing cleanup tags (are you sure you want to do that?) - would be custom jobs. I can do that, but it'd be something brand new, not an expansion.  Let me work on this for a day or two and see what I can come up with.  Nudge me Friday or Saturday if you haven't heard from me. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * nudge* User:Krator (t c) 23:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)