User talk:SatyrTN/Archive 11

Swish (slang)
Why did you tag Swish (slang) as "This article is univerifiable, offensive and un-needed"? Hyacinth (talk) 08:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for WP:VIET
Hi Satyr. I have lodged a request for your bot to do some Vietnam category tagging. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied to your Questions. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I hope the bot is feeling healthier soon. It appeared to misfire?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The rest of the cats are coming in due time I hope :).  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 23:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Doh! Yes - I'll set those up to run tonight! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I had a couple questions on categories for the bot to run through. Please remember, though, that my knowledge of all things Vietnamese comes solely from the TV, so if I seem ignorant, it's because I am :)

Are at least 80% of the articles in the following categories ones that "belong" to WP:VIETNAM?


 * Category:Indochina Wars
 * Category:Indochina Wars
 * Category:Islands of the South China Sea
 * Category:Japanese war crimes
 * Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War
 * Category:Paris by Night singers
 * Category:People of the First Indochina War
 * Category:Second Indochina War
 * Category:Sino-French War
 * Category:Tai history
 * Category:Tai peoples
 * Category:Third Indochina War
 * Category:Unified Buddhist Church Buddhists

Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Some of them I wasn't looking carefully enough. Category:Islands of the South China Sea, Category:Japanese war crimes, Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War, Category:Tai history, Category:Tai peoples need to go. I'll comment them out on the cat list.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 23:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ping just in case you didn't pick up this reply.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope you haven't forgotten the last set. :).  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Um. Oops?  Doh!  And other nonsense words that mean "I forgot!" -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Another thing, can you re-scan Category:Vietnam geography stubs - because I have just created about 200 new ones in the last two days and it would be nice if the bot could add to them. Saves me time from making 200 new talk pages.....currently making a stub for each of the 663 Districts of Vietnam ...  Blnguyen   ( bananabucket ) 03:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do. Or let me know when you're done with the 663 and I'll run through then. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, quicker to do the 663 rescans later. But the remaining 80 odd cats can be tagged soon I hope :)  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there again. I created about 650 odd stubs for all the Districts in Vietnam and they are all tagged Vietnam-geo-stub under Category:Vietnam geography stubs. Could you fire up and bot-sweep on that cat and tag all of them with ? Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks heaps.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * NP! Let me know if you want me to run it for you again.  In addition, take a look at those WikiProject Services and see if WP:VIET wants to use either one?  Specifically the "New Pages" one might be useful. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

internalized homophobia
i was shocked to see you aren't just any homophobe, but the self-hating kind. wiki is not the place for agendas, please stop deleting queer visibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.169.234 (talk) 12:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry - exactly *where* did that comment come from?


 * First, if you mean this and this, my reason for removing the category is because her being a lesbian is only hinted at in the article, and doesn't have a reference.


 * Second, calling me homophobic is laughable. Calling me self-hating is ridiculous.  And doing either constitutes a personal attack, which is against Wikipedia policy.  Please consider being more civil?  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Satyr, isn't this at least the second time you've been accused of homophobia? People really need to look a bit more carefully before making that charge... but it sure is funny! Aleta   (Sing)  23:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That was probably me, back when SatyrBot was busy slashing and burning everything in it's pathway ;) Wjhonson (talk) 23:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeh, I've had a couple :) I'm thinking of adding AllStarEcho's flag to my page to forestall any more... Though it is amusing! :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You could have one of those boxes like "this user's page has been vandalized X times", but saying instead "this user has has been accused of homophobia X times". Aleta   (Sing)  23:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh! Thank you for reminding me!  I DO have one of those! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Grin! Aleta   (Sing)  02:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to use my flag. It's not like that rainbow ITMFA flag is helping you any, you gay homophobe! lol ;] - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That one doesn't count. =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Katharine McMahon
Hi. I wonder if I could ask why you've deleted my article on the author, Katharine McMahon? It says "Katharine McMahon" ‎ (CSD G12: Blatant copyright infringement www.katharinemcmahon.com/katharine_mcmahon_website_005.htm) But I wrote/created the web site, it is all my own work. I wonder if you can tell me what proof you would like me to provide to show you that I am the author of katharinemcmahon.com? You could go to the site and email me? I'm a bit disappointed as I read all the notes very carefully and I've still messed up....

To quote Wiki "If you prosecute and judge people because they are ignorant of our policies and guidelines, you are in fact violating our policies and guidelines!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_bite_the_newbies#Ignorantia_juris_may_excuse. --Belinda Roussel (talk) 13:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Belinda! I'm sorry you feel I was persecuting you or something - I did not mean to do that.
 * Whether or not you created "KatharineMcMahon.com" is not really the point. The point is fairly obscure - WP:CP has the specific information - but the overview is that copying text from another site onto Wikipedia is frowned upon, specifically for copyright reasons.  If you would like to use that text anyway, WP:CP gives you information on how to do that.  Or you can re-write the info and put it on Wikipedia. In all honesty, I would recommend the latter course of action.  The text you have on your website is beautiful, flattering, and highly complimentary, but very unlike an encyclopedia entry :) Perhaps you could review some of the articles listed in Category:British writers for how other entries are written?
 * And again - I'm sorry if you feel I was in any way harassing you. If I can help with anything else, please let me know. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information - so helpful. I understand now. I don't really feel persecuted:-) It's just that I read and made notes on every page of information on Wikipedia I could find (no mean feat) and then created my first Wiki article. Had four hours sleep and woke to find my article had been deleted! Such is life. I'm going to have another go and not be so lazy - I should have understood the encyclopedia-style requirement. I'll have a good look at British writers and attempt a re-write. Thanks again.--Belinda Roussel (talk) 16:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Shady on bot question
Howdy, I wasn't sure what you meant by "What I don't like is the slightly shady way this situation a) got started (Dreamafter), and b) continues (JackSchmidt)." I certainly am not trying to do anything shady. Was the discussion closed when I posted? I am new to posting on brfa, so I hope I didn't post out of turn.

Blofeld's new pages are basically disruptive to my new page patrolling. I strongly support anyone's idea of how to get them to stop being disruptive. Saying "make the old ones not stubs before making new stubs" is fine by me, but I believe that has been tried. Marking his new pages as bot flagged, or marking them patrolled automatically, or something like that sounds fine to me. Since no one was doing that and I don't like complaining for someone else to make my viewing experience pleasurable, I wrote some javascript that anyone could write or install in their user account which hides any  with a link to Blofeld's user page on any page named "Special:Newpages". I think currently my wife and I are the only ones using it, but others are welcome to it.

At any rate, I definitely don't want to be shady, so let me know what I *am* doing to inadvertently be shady. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions to avoid re-deletion?
Hi, I recently wrote an article entitled Johns Hopkins Mental Notes. Why was this tagged for deletion? I understand the section that was cited: 7. An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of notability, verifiability and reliability of sources.

My question is what made my article different from any of the other ones describing collegiate a cappella groups, such as these? Examples:

Binghamton Crosbys

Katzenjammers

Penny Loafers

Radcliffe Pitches

Some of these don't even have citations or substantial links, and a few go on to list current and past members, which seems a bit like advertising to me. All of the articles discuss the different histories, styles, and places within their respective universities for each group, as well as list discography (some don't even do this, which seems like the most relevant thing to somebody looking at the List of collegiate a cappella groups, which seems to legitimize the existence of such articles.

What suggestions can you make to avoid having the article re-deleted? Thanks, pelo247 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelo247 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Trent Lott
Would you mind having a look over the additional content added today? Unfortunately, I don't think the added content is allowed under BLP and use of blogs policies. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 01:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Bleh. That was far more time than I wanted to spend on his article.  I need a bath. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * lol Thanks for looking it over. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

yay
A wiki with a sense of humor. I was wondering if I could find any on this site. I had already located one, but I knew more existed. Also, I see you've been vandalized 8 times. Considering how many edits you've made, that's not bad. I've been on this site for 3 weeks and I've already been vandalized 4 times...that's not good.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * ROTFL! It depends on the editing you're doing.  AllStarEcho, for example, likes to do vandalism patrol.  That puts hir in the line of fire quite often.  Me, I stick to the categorization and background stuff.  Though now I'm an admin, so I've been deleting articles on occasion - that'll get you noticed by the noobs that have nothing to do :)


 * As for sense of humor, why did you make me watch that fat man dancing? Twice?  Why?


 * And you should get a load of Julie - read December and January. We're definitely the coolest WikiProject in existence!!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I was experimenting with being a recent change patroller and warned quite a few people about vandalizing...maybe I asked for it. The fat man dancing was priceless...you should see the video I posted on the 30th. (type "fat man dancing" in a youtube search and the video on top is the one). I'll have to go check out Julie's loads.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Careful - she's often loaded! I'm hoping she'll make an appearance in the next day or two... -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * On a different note, is there a way to create some kind of info box showing # of hotels, corporate info, etc. of the Kimpton Hotel company? has some information that I think might be helpful, but I don't know how to make a box for it. Kinda hard to describe what I mean, but something that could attach to the bottom of the corporate logo on the article with the info.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Something like Infobox_Company you mean? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh yes, perfect. Gracias mi amigo homosexual.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 07:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Marx
Ping my e-mail. -- David  Shankbone  07:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Jon Schillaci
The reason for me to add him in that category, is because I think he fits there.

This news source says something about his sexual orientation. "According to a 1989 Houston Chronicle article, the then 17-year-old Schillaci and a 20-year-old man were accused of having sex with two boys they allegedly featured in a video. He pleaded guilty to two counts of sex performed by a child and four of aggravated sexual assault, according to Larry Fitzgerald, spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice."

Not the kind of thing a straight guy would do, so he is homosexual, or at least bisexual. My bad I didn't citate that, I'm going to expand these 'FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives'-articles and citate some sources later.

Reverend X (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I knew then and I still know that pedophilia is totally different than homosexuality. That's correct.
 * Being a pedophile doesn't make him gay. That correct, too. But what does make him gay or bisexual is committing an offense like "aggravated sexual assault" against another boy. Didn't you notice the part of the news that says his victim was male?


 * Are you trying to say that there is a possibility that a pedophile who has had homosexual sex with a boy could be heterosexual?
 * Reverend X (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * All right, big thank you for clearing up this pedophilia-thing for me. I still think that the gender of prey matters to most of child sexual offenders, though, but I will not add the LGBT category in any articles unless I find more reliable source(s) to confirm one's sexual orientation. Keep up the good work!
 * Reverend X (talk) 17:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Jay Brannan
FYI this. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 10:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And now this. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 01:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Woohoo fun times again.Wjhonson (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sanchez all over again? I've sent it to RPP until this can be resolved. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review for Feloni
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Feloni. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Caknuck (talk) 05:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

User cats
You may be interested in participating in the discussion at User talk:Hyacinth/User categories. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 01:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
The Navy Yard/Near Southeast article I've been working on now has 'speedy deletion' tags on the two pictures at the bottom of the page. The woman who took those pictures gave me permission through an e-mail to use them as long as I gave her credit. I'm still trying to figure out the image policies, so do you know what I have to do in order to keep the pictures on there? I asked an admin that works on the D.C. subway articles, but he hasn't responded yet. I think he might be homophobic, like some other people I know. (see:) :P Muchas gracias mi amigo. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC) p.s. I'm joking of course about the admin being a homophobe...I just had to come up with an excuse to throw in the homophobe edit.


 * You saw that on my user page, didn't you :)
 * I don't know a whole lot about pictures. I know you need to label them with the right copyright status. You also need to send the creator one of the "approved" emails (see WP:COPYREQ), and she needs to reply (or you need to send the reply) to the OTRS system.
 * Sorry I can't be more help, but it's not an area I understand. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

FotoFest deletion
Dear sir - I am a bit dismayed to see that you have deleted my article on FotoFest in Houston, TX. While I am an avid fan of this place - a daily reader that spends upwards of 3 hours per day online, I have not edited or created much yet. In fact the FotoFest article was my first. I am new and I may be making mistakes. I do want to correct them.

I appreciate what you and all of the other monitors do - in fact I applaud you for keeping Wikipedia the reliable and fun place that I have grown to love. That being said, I am incredibly disheartened that the things of which I know the most about and wish to include are so readily and summarilly deleted.

I worked very hard to establish the relevence of FotoFest. I do not think I was overly strenuous in calling it what it is almost universally, (in the photographic art world), considered - a leader and pioneer. If it sounds like an ad I ask to what end? FotoFest is a 501c3 non-profit. The organization does not sell art, they do not charge fees to artists in their exhibits and all exhibits are free and open to the public.

In Houston it is considered a leader in the arts and has been recognized city-wide, state-wide and nationally for its programs. What more does it need? I fully intend to request that the page be restored and should that request be denied I plan to rewrite it. I am asking you, on behalf of the community of administrators and the wider reading public, what can I do to keep what I create in the document?

Thank you for you kind attention, Vinodoscope (talk) 00:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)Vinodoscope

Thank You
Thanks for your welcome. I'm working hard to establish the pages to WP standards. Vinodoscope (talk) 13:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)Vinodoscope

Bot to generate list from category
I'm working on a cat list for your new pages bot but, going through all the subcats is very tedious. CatScan appears to be down but used to do this very well. Do you know of another easier way to do this? My current list is up here. The opening paragraph has the categories I need as well as the two subcats I need removed from one. Any help would be appreciated.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 19:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I don't know an easy way. What I ended up doing is starting with:


 * Then I went down through the list and hit the "+" or "-" until I felt good that I was over-inclusive, but hadn't missed much (if anything) that belonged. Finally, I simply click-drag selected all of them and copy-pasted them into a text document.  Not elegant in the least, but it did the trick. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Aww! Thank you!  That means a whole lot - I try very hard to be a force for good, but it's so difficult!!!! :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Jay Brannan
You may be interested in Articles for deletion/Jay Brannan. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 20:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Email
You don't receive email from the Special:Emailuser/SatyrTN link? - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 01:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry - now I do :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

dude
Instead of surfing around the wikipedia world leaving little notes (most of them cryptic) about what needs to be changed in entries, how about doing some of the work! I'm talking about the "convert your prose into a list" on he USAA entry. I attempted to make it a list, used little stars to make it an ordered list, and you just came along and put the crappy little notice back in the entry instead of making the list correct. Are you on a power trip or something? This wiki world has enough editors and format police - DO THE WORK if it doesn't require research. Hillcountrygrump (talk) 13:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You'd have to go some way to find a better example of an administrator on a power trip who thinks that he's really "the man". I guess that we all set our goals in life at different levels. 86.157.222.208 (talk) 13:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah - cleanup notices really give me power. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

NICE WORK. NICE WORK. NICE WORK. I have disliked the article for almost 3 years (way too much conjecture, poor flow, redundant) and I tried to do something similar (though not as well as you) multiple times but got shot down because I admitted to being a USAA employee (therefore I was automatically biased according to several people and was removing content that made the article "interesting"). Thank you for your work. By the way, you went from being a mere sniper (this is wrong, that is wrong, blah blah blah) to a very powerful leader by making the edits!! Well done. Hill Country Grump! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.155.4.175 (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My reason for sniping is that I know absolutely nothing about USAA, so I can point to what needs cleanup, expansion, etc, but I don't know the content. I'm glad you like the changes, but feel free to make your own.  I'll work with you to keep the shooting to a minimum :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You (Oops!)
Thanks for the quick fix and link to the MOS:DATE. I don't know how I missed that standard after all my editing. I should've known there was a reason after all the attention to the USAA page from various editors, that the years hadn't been wikilinked in the intro and elsewhere. - Ageekgal (talk) 16:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * NP - we're all working towards a better encyclopedia :) Thanks for your input and wikilinks that I missed! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunst (queer network in Copenhagen)
I think the word network gave the wrong associations. Please see my answer on the discussion page.--Sasper (talk) 14:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Feloni DRV
You recently nominated Feloni for deletion at Articles for deletion/Feloni (2nd nomination). As you may or may not know, the deletion discussion recently went to Deletion Review, (discussion,) and the result of the review was to relist the AfD for a third, and hopefully final time. I invite you to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/Feloni (3rd nomination), so that we can finally come to consensus. -- RoninBK T C 16:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Gay people
You're an admin. Why not just go on and close this ad redirect? Should have been done instead of AfD anyway. :P - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 22:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Cuz I haven't closed AfDs before, so I don't know the process ;) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Idea - Let's make categories entitled "Tops" "Bottoms" & "Confused"...I think it's waaaaay better than "List of gay, lesbian, or bisexual people" It would be fun to guess which person goes under each category. :P I kid, I kid. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's how:
 * Add this to top of the AfD: closed with consensus to redirect to List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. — ~
 * and this to botton of the AfD:
 * Remove the AFD tag from top of the AfD, and preview the closed discussion (measure twice, cut once). Then remove the AfD tag from article, and redirect it. (Or chose your own closing rationale.) I actually did it that way after much research and it worked fine.
 * Except you really shouldn't close it, as you participated (I think that applies to admins also). — Becksguy (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I closed it. It's non-controversial.

Satyr, did you know List of bisexual people existed? Redundant with List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people, no? - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 22:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a note of thanks...
...for the kind welcome. I've been editing for a while but finally registered not long ago and while I've managed to figure out a bit on my own, I'm sure studying the essentials in your welcome note will come in handy. Thanks again! :] Rachel Summers (talk) 03:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem, also ITMFA
Not a problem on the deletion of Spyder...I thought I had a second reference coming right up, a journalist who had the thing in his hands, but I was wrong. Sorry to take up your time with that. There's a trade show next week where journalists can see it, hopefully I'll be able to find good reviews then. Regarding ITMFA...I laughed like heck when I saw what it meant. Btw, you can partially blame me, or rather my partner, for that state of affairs...he's on the national board of the ACLU and voted against the proposal (one of the many who decided it would be more practical to push for jail time instead :). - Dan Dank55 (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Bleh. If I'm going to blame anyone, it won't be you, your partner, or even anyone I've met personally.  It'll be the man himself for being such a dimwit, and that guy beside him who's really running things into the ground!  :)
 * BTW - turns out you're about 3 hrs from me! :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're that close to Asheville, then you might enjoy the Saturday evening dinner (usually at some fabulous house of one of the Asheville ACLU people...free of course) that's coming up at the NC ACLU's annual retreat, it's probably going to be the second week in June...I'll keep you posted if you like that kind of thing. The Asheville chapter is the most organized, and in some ways the most fun (but don't tell anyone I said that :), of the NC chapters. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I do love Asheville, but no - I'm on the other side of the state in Wrightsville Beach / Wilmington. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I made a bad assumption from the "TN" and the 3-hour thing :) Okay, well, from your userpage, I have a feeling you would feel right at home at our various get-togethers, so if you like, keep an eye on http://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/ to see when something's coming up. Btw...Lewis Black volunteered himself as the keynote speaker at this year's annual oh-so-fancy NC-ACLU awards dinner, coming up on Wednesday...is that awesome or what? - Dan Dank55 (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * yeh, i know - confusing. I live in NH sometimes, too, which is culturally the other side of the universe :) Lewis Black!? That's pretty cool!!!! Sounds like it'll be a lot of fun :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he didn't want press, but I'll give a full report on Thursday :) Now back to the current subject:
 * [Copied to SatyrTN's talk page]Satyr has pretty much covered everything I was going to say, Dank notability, notability, notability. These articles are promoting non-notable products, so I feel that the spam speedy applies. No offense, and without intending to "bite the noobs", I would say that the Wikiproject sounds like its entire purpose is to create articles destined for rejection. Not every clever new concept and interesting project is notable; most of them are bound for the dustbin of history. I would advise a robotics project to switch to improving the existing articles, and not creating all these articles about products that have not even been released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 13:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a recently relevant discussion over at WP:AN (which I referred you to), and this feels like part of that discussion to me, so I'm going to continue the conversation over there...even though WP:AN is usually for disputes and I'm not disputing what you did. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 15:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Satyr, you're welcome to sit this one out if you like...in a way, there's not much to discuss here, I have a feeling everyone is pretty dug into their positions, and I'm positive that no one is doing anything wrong (certainly not MOI), but this is just to let you know that the conversation continues on Orangemike's talk page and also here. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: WP template & banners
Oh i'm sorry I knew I should put it in that box but didnt know how. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs) 15:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Kewl - no problem :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

NC in the house :)
I didn't know you were in NC? I used to spend many weekends in Carolina Beach at my best friend's condo. Also, you boys are talking about Asheville...I was there a few times last summer and I finally made it to Scandals. All I remember was lots of jager and drag queens. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there anything else at Scandals? That's all I remember, too... :)  I don't live here for much of the year, but I'm in Wrightsville Beach for about three months every year. The beach is beautiful, but I couldn't live here in the summer :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really...that's about it. Yeah, Wilmington is a bad area for traffic during the summer, especially on the weekends. It would take forever to get from Market Street to Carolina Beach some Saturdays. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Really, you're only at Wrightsville Beach for a little bit longer? John and I have a running battle over "vacations"...he loves them, especially going to Wrightsville (his father used to have a condo there), I'm allergic to them.  But I wouldn't mind popping in a saying hello before you leave for the year, maybe we could meet at a restaurant or something :) - Dan Dank55 (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Rick Pantera
I'm starting to wonder if User:World News International = User:Glenn Patrick Glenn = Rick Pantera. If they are all the same, we have both a sockpuppet situation and a WP:COI/WP:AUTO situation. Aleta  (Sing)  21:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That article is a mess. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. I did get rid of the horrendous descriptions of the videos, but still... Aleta   (Sing)  22:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Bleh. I don't really know what to do with it, but bleh. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We think this has the potential to get annoying in a hurry. Aleta   (Sing)  23:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Get annoying? We think this is annoying already =) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ROFL! Aleta   (Sing)  23:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually sent that name, World News International, to UAA back on Feb. 7th because it violates policy. I was denied and it turned into an ordeal. See User talk:Allstarecho. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 00:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * read my latest response on the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rick_Pantera#Videography AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Review Bot's work
Response posted on my talk page.↔NMajdan &bull;<span style="font:9px Verdana,sans-serif; color:#000;">talk 14:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded on my page.↔<span style="font:bold 11px Verdana,sans-serif;">NMajdan &bull;<span style="font:9px Verdana,sans-serif; color:#000;">talk 03:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the run. It assessed over 4,000 articles for us. A tremendous help. Will these be a permanent feature of this bot? Also, could use the bot WP services in the future.↔<span style="font:bold 11px Verdana,sans-serif;">NMajdan &bull;<span style="font:9px Verdana,sans-serif; color:#000;">talk 14:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Temporary userpage?
''Just curious about the use of the temporary userpage template when applying spam notices? As in: ''. ''Is that template transcluded in the tag you're using? Should it be there? Thanks for clarifying''


 * No, it's not. It's something I throw in for accounts which will never (because they're blocked) or are extremely unlikely to (because of their contribution histories) actually edit, especially for usernames with are spammy in themselves (like User:Carboncopypro) -- and no-follow tags or not, non-blank pages get picked up by Google. The latter of the two types is, admittedly, a judgment call, but if they're really going to contribute, they can, like the tag text says, simply remove it: I add them immediately because otherwise I'd have to come back months later and check.


 * As for the tags themselves, I simply use a text file with the tag text: I copy the text, paste it in, and fill in the blanks as appropriate:


 *  User:XXX ~  <--- Warning message, with "XXX" replaced by username


 *  - User:XXX  <--Edit summary text, with "XXX" replaced by username, cut and pasted into edit summary field


 *   <--Temporary userpage tag itsownself


 * I tend to focus on this particular task because, frankly, I've semi-automated it this way and therefore is easy to do and doesn't take a whole lot of time. Hope that helps. --Calton | Talk 14:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah hah - gotcha. Thanks for clarifying!  The spam tag I understood, but the temporary thew me :)  Thanks !! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Lonnie Frisbee
You may want to have a look at the recent history and the latest on the talk page. I can already see where this is going and think it should be headed off now. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 16:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

my 1st lolcatz
A lolcat I came up with, in case anyone's interested... at icanhascheezburger.com -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Just thought you might be interested in this: WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Bot ideas
You might also want to advertise Satyrbot's services on some of the big Country projects like France and *Spain - they could use all the help you can give them, and with their strong relationship with foreign wikis they tend to have translation problems in particular. Also, anything you can do to help with the assessment of Unassessed articles in Country Projects such as those would be appreciated, even if it was just a one-off run assessing all the Category:Italy_stubs (etc) as class=stub. Actually, it would be good if you could do the Italy stubs first, as I've got some plans for the rest.;-/ Just as a general comment, IME the Companies Project has perhaps the most articles not tagged with the project, if you're looking for a job there's lots of work to be done there. I've been talking a bit with User:Reedy_Boy about this kind of thing, he might be able to help out.FlagSteward (talk) 14:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, FlagSteward - sorry to see your previewing skills are at zero today - I've had similar days and they're quite frustrating! LOL :)


 * In any case - can we be a bit more specific here? "The country projects" includes a whole 1.73 tons of articles, so trying to attack them all would probably be too much :)  Are there one or two WikiProjects that specifically want help?  I don't like to go in and just do a task without the WP's requesting it - too many toes stepped on, in my experience.  But if you've discussed this with a particular project, I'll be glad to help!


 * And I just ran WP:CFB with a very similar project - reviewing all unassessed articles and tagging them when appropriate, including "averaging" ratings if different projects have rated differently.


 * Also, your suggestion at the BotRFA page is ultimately easy. I can run a report like that for any WikiProject you choose - and may even be able to set it up so any user can run it whenever they want on whatever project they want. Let me think about that and see what I can come up with. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I was coming at it from the POV of the Italy Project, where I've been trying to stir up some activity by doing 1000-odd assessments (and getting the completely Unassesseds is a reasonable goal). But via the Wine Project which is my 'home' project I get to see quite a lot of some of the country Projects, particularly France and Spain - and unlike your run-in with WP:CFB they're at a much earlier stage, where they've still got 1000's of articles still to asssess and won't notice more coming in. ;-/  Mebbe the way to do it is to start with the  -to-class=Stub thing, and then expand into the adding new articles thing that some people find more controversial.  I must admit that personally I think it's much more important to get articles within Projects for further handling by specialists than worrying about the downside, particularly the Projects that are relatively undeveloped - again the Companies Project is a good example.  I was thinking it might be better if you go and advertise your services as you know exactly what you can and can't do, but I'm happy to mention it on the Spain and France projects.
 * But in general, there's tons of work for you to do on all the Country Projects, even if it is just the stub assessment thing, it's more a question of your time and resources for doing it than a lack of demand. Just doing one-off runs would be very, very useful I feel.
 * And perhaps the best way to convince people of the "new article" feature would be to do a dummy run that just produces a list of articles that could be tagged? If you're doing it off the database dump (are you - or live?) then it's a relatively "cheap" (in resource terms) way of doing things that would allow Project members to see whether the bot is appropriate for their Project.
 * As for my bot - yes I know it's easy, it's within my PHP skills ;-/ so it can't be that complicated. I just thought it might be a good bot to cut my teeth on, easy but hopefully fulfilling a real need. Cheers FlagSteward (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do mention it. I've been reluctant to "advertise" because I've only just completed a major rewrite of the bot that fits it into the api.php system rather than the query.php system.  See .  As I get some more experience and iron out a few little bugs, I'm going to publish the code OpenSource (so you're welcome to play around with it) and see if I can get some of these functions placed on the ToolServer, available for any WikiProject.
 * Thanks again for your info - and let me know if you want WPWine in on any of the "services" - for my projects, I find the "To-do list" function to be extremely valuable. And I just set up WPBiography to use it, so I'm pretty happy about that :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool - sounds like I'll hold off on the France and Spain requests until you're a bit more ready. Wine is ready to go, would probably make quite a nice test Project as it's not that big but a reasonable size, and quite active, so someone will probably notice any screwups. Sorry, I mean compile beta-testing reports. ;-/ Both a todo list and new articles by report would be nice for the Wine Project, but only when you're ready - probably just as a one-off for the moment, and then we'll see what the opinion of it is. Then you might want to go on to our parent project, Food and drink - far less active, quite a bit bigger and in worse shape. I've requested Wine and Italy over on the bot's request page BTW.
 * From my own POV, it would be great if you could assess any Italy stubs ASAP, as I've set myself a little task of trying to clear the Italy Unassesseds - if you run WPBot1.0 after your run, we hopefully won't trip over each other.
 * Brave man releasing your bot into the wild - I guess one major issue will be ensuring that ordinary Joes use full cats, otherwise if you think you've been copping some flak from Projects so far.... Cheers. FlagSteward (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

please help keep hacksaw page online - it's public domain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw_characterCoffeegirl3000 (talk) 02:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

La pensée straight
I've added a reference for the LGBT category. Also, don't you think the title should appear in English as that was the original title apparently? (This is referenced as well). The reference section looks doesn't look very pretty but I thought it was good to have the page numbers...Zigzig20s (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for Immediate Help
Someone keeps trying to censure information about the condemnation of a gay rights organization, and the loss of one of their chapters, Kentucky Fairness Alliance. Actually, Kentucky Equality Federation, Bluegrass Fairness of Central Kentucky, and Kentucky Fairness Alliance articles in Wikipedia are being censured (no doubt by management at Kentucky Fairness Alliance since everything being deleted are criticisms of their organization). Can you help me with this? I'm getting tired of restoring the articles.--Kentucky1333 (talk) 16:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Years in gay rights nav
A tag has been placed on Template:Years in gay rights nav requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<tt>&lt;noinclude>&#123;{transclusionless}}&lt;/noinclude></tt>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Mediation / Russian
You're welcome to join the conversation, but I'm not sure about the tip -- I looked at a few userpages and couldn't find any links to English wiki useraccounts. Could you clarify what you think I should look for? Thanks! Aelfthrytha (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy (Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy)
Hy SatyrTN, i saw that in the english wikipeda is missing a very important article over Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy. On german wikipedia we have a good article and here is the literature. So i can try to translate that article, but you have to look for that article because my english translation isn' t so perfect for correct psycholocial specific terms. In only found in english wikipedia an article over the wrong and old Reparative therapy, where the Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy is only a part of the article. GLGermann (talk) 01:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Literature

 * Journal of Gay & Lesbian Psychotherapy, Schwerpunkt: Homosexuality and Psychoanalysis revisited, 2002, 6. Jhrg., Nummer 1
 * Isay, Richard A. (1993). Schwul sein. Die psychologische Entwicklung des Homosexuellen. München: Piper. ISBN 3492116833 (Original 1989: Being homosexual. Gay men and their development. New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux.)
 * Rauchfleisch, Udo u.a. (2002). Gleich und doch anders: Psychotherapie und Beratung von Lesben, Schwulen, Bisexuellen und ihren Angehörigen. Stuttgart: Klett-Cotta. ISBN 360894236X
 * Ritter, Kathleen Y. & Terndrup, Anthony I. (2002). Handbook of Affirmative Psychotherapy with Lesbians and Gay Men. New York: Guilford. ISBN 1572307145

RPI Players
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Video policy
Satyr, can you point me in the right direction? I've followed every "video" link I can find on WP and can't find any discussion of when video is appropriate. Someone deleted a lot of video links from Automated Guided Vehicle and a couple of us are discussing on the talk page what to do about it. I'm inclined to let the deletion stand, and delete the rest besides, on the grounds that they are clearly produced as promotional videos, and because images could tell exactly the same story, with less bandwidth, and in an easier-to-patrol-for-spam fashion. Surely these issues have been discussed before, I'm surprised I can't find it. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Dan! Do you mean as a reference?  Or just an "external link"? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean as an external link. That page has about a dozen links that were produced for promotional purposes that show automated vehicles doing very mundane things...I'm wondering where to read up on which kinds of video external links are "encyclopedic" and which aren't.  I wrote in the talk page that I'm inclined to replace them all with one link to the search results for Automated Guided Vehicle on YouTube, since that's where all the videos come from...does that sound good? - Dan Dank55 (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I'm not thrilled with any of the links or references on that page except the two university links. Let me recommend WP:PSTS for a discussion of primary, secondary, and tertiary sources.  The links to agvsystems.com and the other companies are all primary - they are written by the people making the AGVs.  If at all possible, find links in books, newspapers and magazines that talk about the AGVs, comparing and contrasting, and explaining the systems to outsiders.  Those would at least be secondary sources.
 * And as far as your original question goes, I can understand why a video would be instructional and helpful to the article - seeing one of these bots in action would be great! Is it possible to find a video in the public domain?  Perhaps find a gear-head that's caught some of them on cam at a show or convention?  That way you can get them at least PD and not advertise for the specific company.  Knowing the audience, I bet you can find dozens without even looking far :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Zoe Gustaves article deletion
Dear SatyrTN,

You deleted the Zoe Gustaves article because of apparent copyright infringement. Permission had been obtained although no notice of that fact was included with the article. My fault. A permission notice has since been added to the website source (please see ), and I did attempt to add this notice to the article, but it had already been deleted before I could do so.

I appreciate the standard set for Wikipedia and have tried, and will always try, to comply with that standard. In light of permission having been granted for the Wikipedia article and notice of this fact published by the source, I hope you will consider returning the Zoe Gustaves article to Wikipedia.

Antares12 (talk) 00:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You can't be serious all the time
Did you see my !vote comment here: Articles for deletion/Ashton Ryan (2nd nomination). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Becksguy (talk • contribs) 03:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks - that actually made me snort out loud :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Dawson (porn star)
I screwed up the article when I removed the image. Some of the other information is now missing and when I tried to re-add it, the layout is wrong. Help? :-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Already fixed, dear :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My friend didn't like your edit. User talk:97.88.222.103 Oh well, he/she will be back in 2 days and the whole process will start over again. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe this time I'll get to do the block before anyone else :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Now I've made a friend of the same jerk. Aleta   (Sing)  03:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Now we'll all be dancing together in that place I don't believe .. in .. &lt;stupid prepositions ending sentences&gt;
 * I'm tempted to indef block - or at least extend it, but I feel like that could be seen as punishment. Guess I'll just watch the userpage and wait until day after tomorrow. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Dangit! I thought wiki wasn't his life?  Obviously it is or he wouldn't keep WP:ATTACKing!  Guess I'll try the ignore route. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Bot edit. ..
I don't understand why, but for some reason this edit resulted, as you can see, in an oldafdfull template getting doubled. You might want to check this out. Chick Bowen 07:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Chick! Thanks for pointing that out.  When someone incorrectly subst's the afd template, it leaves behind things like  in the page.  The bot tries to interpret that as a template, which causes problems.  I'm working on a solution, but haven't got it licked yet.  Since the afd template got cleaned up long ago, it's a pretty rare occurrence, but I'm working on fixing it.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dharma Talk
If you were a practicioner of Buddhism then you will understand the term "Dharma Talk" it is not blatant advertising. I put in a quote from Thich Nhat Hahn to bolster the idea of a Dharma Talk. I was not aware that Wikipedia was such a place of religious procecution. I mentioned where to find them the same way anyone else links to an external source for anything. By deleting the article you only show religious intolerance.

I apologize for the apparent rudeness. The term "blatant advertising" was the cause. All apologies.Golgofrinchian (talk) 17:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Fugly
Feel free to contribute to WP:FUGLY, a new complement to WP:HOTTIE. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 05:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Society for Industrial & Organizational Psychology
Hi: I began an article on the Society for Industrial & Organizational Psychology (SIOP) hoping that a colleague at the organization could elaborate on the significance of it. However, it was speedily deleted before anyone had a chance to justify its existence. Would it be possible to provide the source code for the page to me so I can work on it in a sandbox environment? I feel the organization is worth mentioning in Wikipedia, and I just need some time to lay it all out. Thanks!

Itsnorm (talk) 02:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)"itsnorm"

Matt Sanchez
Obviously I'm not going to touch the article but I'd suggest having a look at today's changes. All of them seem fine except 1: the edit to the content about the Jeanne Kirkpatrick Academic Freedom Award. I mean, that's a lot of the "hub bub" about him.. got the award then outed. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

matt sanchez
any particular edit come to mind?Boomgaylove (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

why would it raise an eyebrow, it was completely lacking any context or continuity with the surrounding text. move to wikiquote? it's just an anecdote, although some may find it funny (including myself), random quotes are not encyclopedic. and when they are used they should be included in an appropriate manner. as for the gay porn actor mention. He rose to fame largely because of his "porn-outing", the list includes his education and pursuits, the individual might not like it there, but thats reason for removing it from his own website or blog not from wikipedia.Boomgaylove (talk) 03:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

p.s. thanks for the warning about WP:BITE, i'm sure i'll be fine. i'll make sure to diffuse any tensions that i can.Boomgaylove (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Recompression
I have nominated Recompression, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Recompression. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of NüTopia
I have nominated NüTopia, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/NüTopia. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ignition (event)
I have nominated Ignition (event), an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Ignition (event). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: K-L‎
Hi, Angela from the Blue!

I'm curious about your adding Lord Donia to the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: K-L‎. First, you've managed to put him in the wrong place if he were supposed to go in the "L"s. Second, if "Lord" is a title (and the word isn't even in his article), then the article should go in the "D"s. Third, the claim of homosexuality needs to be backed up by a solid reference, both in his article *and* on the list.

I'm going to take him off the list for now. If you find the source you were looking for, please feel free to add it back in. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, maybe he should be on the list under his full name: Pier Gerlofs Donia. Thus putting the confusion to an end. He should be in the D or P category, and not L because he might have been no lord at all. But he was a noted queer, as can be seen in the article. He deserves to be listed as such. But then under the right letter. Thanks in advanche, Angela from the Blue (talk) 07:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * D then would be fine. But only if you have it properly referenced.  I see you've added back the "sexuality" section, but don't have a reference on it. When it does, then we can add him to the list.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I referenced the section "sexuality" on the articles main space of Pier Gerlofs Donia. The reference is to a book, which I read myself. You can add him to the list now - it has been sort out. Is this okay to you, for now? Angela from the Blue (talk) 07:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Que?
Umm, User:AgnosticPreachersKid retired? - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 17:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * :-( Aleta   (Sing)  20:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't suppose anyone's heard from him? Aleta   (Sing)  03:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

K-L list of gay/lesbian people
please discuss on the article talk page the rationale for reverting the image. back and forth revert/add/revert with another editor, without edit summaries, isn't constructive. i've started a topic on the article talk page. thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 08:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

true re the discussion here - it's just that it sure looked like the add/revert cycle continued after the discussions here had ended - but admittedly i wasn't paying close attention. anyway, glad it's resolved. Anastrophe (talk) 17:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you !
Thank you for the welcome... and for the cookies ! --Surréalatino (talk) 02:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Opera Project "To Do List" function
Thanks for your reply. Once a week would be fine. Best. -- Kleinzach (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Peru
You might want to check out the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peru --Descendall (talk) 04:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Paul Goodman
Hi Satyr,

This is the disambiguation guideline I was following in removing the disambiguation links:


 * While there is no specific prohibition against it, adding disambiguation links to a page with a name that clearly distinguishes itself from the generic term is discouraged. For example, Solaris (1972 film) is clearly about one specific movie and not about any of the many other meanings of "Solaris". It is very unlikely that someone arriving there would have been looking for any other "Solaris", so it is unnecessary to add a link pointing to the Solaris disambiguation page. However, it would be perfectly appropriate to add a link to Solaris (novel) (but not, say, Solaris (operating system)) to its "See also" section.

Please let me know if you have any further concerns.

Neelix (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification! IMO, people should have links back to disambig pages, since "writer" (as relates to a person) isn't nearly as specific as the "1972 film" in the example.  Just my opinion :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

are you an admin?
curious —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 22:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

the discussion obviously favors inclusion. as does logic. do you oppose its inclusion? If its due to redundancy perhaps we get rid of the 2nd mention? Its just prejudicial to leave out one of his major and most notable pursuits while including others.Boomgaylove (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

edit summaries
Thanks. I know; I was using AWB to make some changes, but some articles did not have the text I wanted to change. The articles nevertheless had 'general fixes' changes made to them which I saved as I did not disagree with them. I did not change the edit summary I was was using. I suppose I could have said "already indirectly in category and/or AWB general fixes". Not sure if this would help. I have not seen this done by other editors. Hmains (talk) 06:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks Hmains (talk) 17:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Python on a Mac
Thank you for unblocking User:BoxCrawler. As for your other comments:

Python is standard on the Mac AFAIK, the only real customizations it needed were a few minor edits to the pyWikipediaBot framework because I didn't like a few things it did. I'd be happy to send you all my source if you were interested. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Question
Shouldn't Rachel Carson be added to this list?...or should the list only name articles that deal more strongly with LGBT issues? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's so nice seeing your posts on my page! I just wish I could see *** in my ***!
 * I know what you've been dreaming about. ;-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As to your question - go for it! I wish I could think of an LGBT cat to put on the article, though.  Do we have a Category:Boston marriages?  Sigh.  -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Added it. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

gay
So ur gay? How cute! Do you have a boyfriend, then? Angela from the Blue (talk) 18:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If User:AgnosticPreachersKid doesn't want to be my boyfriend, I guess I'm stuck with the SOs I already have =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I sent in the application for the position 2 weeks ago. Did the damn U.S. Postal Service lose my mail again!?! You mentioned SO's...as in plural...you have more than one? You kinky bastard. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sayin'... But if kinky is using a feather, what's it called when you use the whole bird? =D
 * (/me goes to flay the postman for losing APK's application - which, I hope, includes 8x10 color glossies)
 * -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Even better. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Screw donation drives--I envision a Gay Studs Of Wikipedia Calendar!  Rachel Summers (talk) 22:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Poster!?!? That big!?!?  Mmmm.... =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Or this? (FYI, if APK was to show STN his XXX pix, STN might have to visit the ICU because they're diRRRty. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Scatmaster? lol - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 22:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WHO TOLD YOU!?!?! I knew I should have kept that to myself. :P To change the subject, quickly, it's nice to see WP is a big hit in the Middle East. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage and procreation
SatyrTN - you proposed that the entry Same-sex marriage and procreation be merged with Same-sex marriage. A few other people suggested as well. My response was that the current length of Same-sex marriage and procreation is quite long, and in time will be even longer as more quotes from court decisions and law review articles are added. Such length will be as long as that of Same-sex marriage itself, at the cost of overwhelmingly the aesthetics of the current page. Thus, like a few other Wikipages dealing with Same-sex marriage that have a separate existence, I would like to keep the procreation page separate as well (I have written most of the page over the past few weeks). At some point, I plan to add a few links on the Same-sex marriage entry to the Same-sex marriage and procreation entry (and I would be glad if you want to do so). So unless you object, I would like to edit out your suggestion to merge the two pages. Thanks. --Greg Aharonian (talk) 21:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Has there been discussion about the merger? I haven't seen anything about it - could you point it out to me? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Shortly after I created the page, a few people put the page up for Deletion. While the critics eventually were satisfied (they wanted more factual material, which I added), an admin still deleted it, without explanation. After a discussion with the admin, the page was restored to version you see now. One person in the deletion discussion suggested the page be merged with Same-sex marriage, but seem to agree that the length was getting long enough to overwhelm if merged. So the issue of merger faded away. I am not sure where the keep past deletion dicussions, where you could see this. The original merger suggestion was made when the page was shorter, and as it grew in length, the issue was dropped. --Greg Aharonian (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Do as thou wilt. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The faeries do know
This was specifically a call for a Wikipedia photo. It was announced that way and the others, who did not want to be in it, were told to get off the stage. 70.90.129.90 (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I actually assumed that's what happened =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Ludwig II
Perhaps you might like to give a person time to verify the information rather than send messages. I am actually sitting with the references right next to me. Thanks for your care and understanding. Finneganw 06:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Gene Robinson / Anglicanism
There are indeed quite a few notable individuals in the Anglicanism category. Given that there is rather a major controversy centering in part around Robinson's ordination, it's hard to argue that he isn't notable. I think you should restore the category label. Tb (talk) 16:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I really feel the controversy surrounds issues, not this particular person. I'm not an expert in Anglicanism at all, but there are 300 articles in the can, only 31 of them are people, and probably half or more of those don't belong.  My opinion is that Robinson belongs in Category:Anglican realignment, but not the super cat. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't say I disagree with the goal of straightening up the categorization under Anglicanism. And I freely confess I haven't got the energy to work on that rather gargantuan task!  I just spent today's wikipedia time tracing through a maze of undocumented/uncommented significant categorization changes by ZZcon, so I'm spent for now. :)  Tb (talk) 21:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Morton
Hi Satyr, I realise this Coronation Street character page was nominated for deletion along with many others, and the result was to merge to a list. However, the page keeps getting created, removed from the list, moved back to the list, redirected and so on. Currently, it redirects to the list, however the character is not actually on the list, and his image keeps getting tagged for deletion as it's orphaned etc. It's been tagged for deletion three times now due to all this changing around, and my page keeps getting spammed with image warnings, so I brought the issue up here Talk:List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters. We would like to give this one character his own page, but keep it tagged as in-univers etc, while we look for sources. Would you object to this? 21:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll let it go for two weeks, but I did a fairly good search for references to Jerry Morton and found almost none. You can see that every time it gets "recreated", the result falls far short of an acceptable article. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I havent searched for any yet, but i'll see what I can come up with. Maybe you could contribute to the discussion on the list page, and voice your opinion there too? I'd like to get discussion going for these articles, so hopefully they can be improved. Gung adin  22:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Jerry Morton. I made a start, found some sources and began to include some real world stuff. Is it ok to keep as a separate article now? I realise it needs improving/extending... Gung  adin  23:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I kinda feel like all those sources are a) not "significant" and b) not about Jerry Morton but more about Starke. But that's just my opinion - let's see what happens in two weeks.  -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Your bot
Is it possible for your bot to run through all the articles at List of people from Mississippi and if they aren't tagged with Template:WPMiss, have it do so as ? - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 22:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly? Let me pull together a quick list and get back to you.  See, the way I would have to do it is get all the wikilinks on that page.  To give you an example, that would mean getting:
 * Jim Henson creator of The Muppets, (Leland, Mississippi)
 * The bot doesn't have any way of knowing that "The Muppets" shouldn't be tagged. So I can pull together a list, have you do a quick review to remove the ones that don't belong, and then tag all those.  Will that work? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, so a list of just the names links and not any of the additional details that may have other links in them. Gotcha. Yesh, I imagine that would work. Thanks! - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 22:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Review User:SatyrBot/Miss, take out any that don't need a tag, and I'll sic the bot on the rest. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've taken out the obvious entries and will do the more thorough run-through in a bit. What about redirects? Will the bot follow or will it tag the redirect page and then the page it got redirected to as well? - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 02:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm. I think it will follow redirects, but not tag them. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Question
Does my talk page need to be archived...or should I wait a while? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry about it. You could set it up with MiszaBot if you wanted to, with a 30 day timeframe.  But you could also just delete everything - it's all in the history of the page anyway :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Ziegfeld's
I found this article and noticed a comment by you on the talk page. Since you've obviously read it, is it actually notable or does it just need alot of work. I'm kind of undecided, especially since it might be hard to find sources. The website isn't working, but I can try to google some sources. I spent many (many) nights there and got shit-faced while weiners were flapping in my face. Good times. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a clue. Wish I'd been, but I have no idea :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:VIET
Hi there SatyrTN. Could be have another run on the list of cats of WikiProject Vietnam/Categories for tagging WPVN. It's about a month since the last run, so an update would be good. It would also indicate how frequently new articles are created and would tell us how frequently the bot should be used. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( photo straw poll ) 02:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it just me or does that girl look like she's on something? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Show off. Couldn't you just say "Tina" like everyone else? Sheesh.
 * It's ecstasy, not tina...geez, get your drugs right! :P AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Really?!? Man - I'm sooo out of the loop.  They're going to take my QueerCard™ away, aren't they? &lt;sigh&gt; -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you lose your QueerCard because you're not familiar with drugs, then maybe that's a good thing. The More You Know AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ROTFL - I just realized, due to an edit conflict, I saw the code before I saw the link - so I thought you'd used the whole name :)
 * Anyways, since you guys are pictorial connoiseurs, there is a photo straw poll for you.  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 23:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, Blnguyen, the bot will run tonight and banner as necessary. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have also updated the cat list if that makes any difference.  Blnguyen  ( photo straw poll ) 05:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder in case you've forgotten to fire up the bot.  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 23:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Kewl. It's pulling the info from that cat list, so if you've made changes it will go with what's there. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Great thanks. I think a weekly run would be ok since it seems to be so fast on the maintenance runs rather than the first run. However, I was wondering if I commented out the template, would the bot recognise that the template was there and not add it? The reason I ask is that there are a few cats where there are one or two false positives and I don't want to get into a weekly rv war with the bot. I wonder if a commented out template would be recognised by the bot as "already there" so that the false positive won't be activated. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 02:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think what you want to do is use .  I think.  I don't know that I've actually tried that yet, so let me know the articles and such and I'll check it out. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Neutrois
Thank you for flagging this article for the LGBT project. I had no idea there WAS such a project on Wiki and I have been working tirelessly to try and find resources for this page. Having it linked into the project will be absolutely the best thing that could have happened to it. Someone else might have more resources. Again, thank you. Taineyah (talk) 06:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied on Commons:COM:AN
Heyo. I replied to your message on Commons:COM:AN. Cheers, &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 21:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

And just for the record Satyr, as I said "over there", I'm not even going to engage in that fiasco. I know what's mine and what isn't and after seeing my Fitch pics all over Flickr and going and searching for more pics, have found that even more of my photography is spread all over the internet. It's impossible to defend. Pictures I have posted at various forums over the years, pictures I have emailed people, pictures I have used on various web sites that I once owned.. things like these eventually end up somewhere else when you've been on the "net" since the "net" became the "net". I am one of the few that remember $500 AOL bills and 1200 baud modems! So, to wrap this up, they can do whatever they want over there. I've given my one and only statement over there on the matter and that's all I will say about it. Don't worry yourself over it either. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 22:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I ain't worried about it. Though I don't like the lack of AGF.  And Fitch is gorgeous, so I'm just a tiny bit jealous =D
 * Wait - did you say 1200 baud? Young'un - I remember 600 baud!  With those kewl modems you had to shunk the phone down into - remember those?  And we had to walk to the internet!  Uphill!!  BOTH WAYS!!! =) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Pic20071127 1.jpg copyvio source (tmz.com video)
 * Image:Ole Miss Rebels celebrate.png copyvio source (JasonBaker.net)
 * Image:Ole Miss BBQ Sauce.jpg copyvio source (some catalouge)
 * Cheers, &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 17:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

She's the Man
Hi, I've noticed that you've reverted several edits of User:58.111.116.167. I also noticed that you did not warn them for any of their vandalisms, of which there were six. In the future, it would be helpful to everyone if you warned vandals every time they vandalized. If no one warns them, they never stop. Thanks, Elisa EX PL OS i ON  talk.  14:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't warn IP vandals every time. In fact, I rarely warn IPs. If it's an excessive case, I will do so, but I find (as in this case) if you revert and ignore vandals, they usually give up. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

APK Talk Page Comment
Hi SatyrTN - I saw your comment at APK's talk page, and am happy for you to join in the fun. I just wasn't sure if you'd seen that I replied - and it's nice to be liked even if not known! :) Jay*Jay (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw your reply - I didn't respond because typing one-handed is so difficult.... =P -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You know you can go blind that way. Lemme go grab my belt. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Blindness isn't likely unless you have very good aim. Jay*Jay (talk) 16:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Grab the camera. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Psycho
That person is a freak. I can only imagine what the picture would be and notice how they can't spell. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When did you change your name? =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess when I started warning him/her about not being a tool. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ROTFL :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you notice my comment on yt? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Leap Day newsletter?
Well we never got one the first part of the month, and I know Miss Julie was feeling unable to continue with it past this month. Think we can throw one together for Leap Day (which I just learned is also called Bissextile day - we have to use that!)? Aleta  (Sing)  21:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I want in on the fun or at least be able to see how the newsletter is made. I haven't received one yet and Miss Julie asked me if I wanted to help with the newsletter. I would. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The more the merrier! Of course you can help! We usually try to do a rundown/hit some highlights on what's been happening with the project in the last month, or this time, two. Hmmm, your homophobic "friend" might be worth a mention. Aleta   (Sing)  21:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Bleh - no. Ignore them and they'll go away.  Besides, there are too many homophobes to list in the newsletter :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. It was just a thought. Nevermind! :)  Aleta   (Sing)  22:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Lolz at SNL :) I've jumpstarted the issue at WikiProject LGBT studies/Newsletter. For those of you watching who haven't really done the newsletter before, I recommend taking a look at the most recent ones: here's a directory of the archives. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Satyrbot request
Well, for starters, the schools category with this:. But there are other categories I've noticed where a large volume of articles is in need of templates....another is Category:Defunct British Columbia provincial electoral districts where the template would be. Is it only you that can run the bot or are others permitted to take the reins? I know there's more "bulk templating" cats out there, just in the BC WikiProject alone.....23:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Skookum1! The code for the bot isn't quite ready for public release yet.  And since it's editing on my account, I kinda keep close tabs on what it's doing :)
 * What I've done for other projects is have them pull together a full list of categories. For instance, WP:VIET has the bot go through WikiProject Vietnam/Categories every so often and tag anything that doesn't already have a tag.


 * It sounds like your project is a tad different, since you've got some parameters that are going to be different depending on the categories. My initial reaction is that your best bet is to pull together categories in groups related to what parameters you want.  For example:

( I recommend having separate pages for each of these columns )


 * When the bot goes through, it will have to look at each article and examine which categories are on the article, then add parameters based on that.


 * That does mean, however, quite a bit of prep-work. Someone (or several people in WP:CANADA?) will have to review the categories and put them in the appropriate areas.  The advantage to doing that, though, is that you're then all organized and able to work.


 * Sorry I don't have a quicker or easier solution to offer! If you want, check at WP:BOTREQ again and see if anyone else has something easier.  Though it will be worth it, if you're willing to put in the time and effort :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Matt Sanchez
You're right, though. Please don't give up. It's a clear BLP violation, and I'm really bothered at how much of that is going on with that particular article. At this point, I only feel comfortable fighting one battle at a time with that particular article, and I'm choosing to fight the battle of unbolding the "porn names". Perhaps I'll move on to another after that. - Philippe &#124; Talk 03:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

No, Sanchez is not a writer.
If Sanchez is communicating to you that he wrote for the The New Republic, he's lying. He has never written for that publication. Scott Thomas Beauchamp did, however. I have removed the "writer" title, accordingly. Please do not restore it without a valid reason. --Eleemosynary (talk) 04:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right - I mis-spoke in my edit summary. However, he did write for the New York Post: . I'm putting "writer" back. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * And I'm removing it again. A single guest column in the Post is not a "writing" profession.  I've started a section on the Talk page if you wish to comment further. --Eleemosynary (talk) 04:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You may note this over at Human Event

"Matt Sanchez is a reporter on race and politics in the United States and is a war correspondent for Worldnetdaily. He is the recipient of the Jeane Kirkpatrick Academic Freedom Award and keeps a blog at Matt-Sanchez.com."

Sanchez as escort?
SatyrTN, I have added a comment to the discussion you were having with benjiboi at his talk page. I have quoted a statement from The Advocate in 2008 that states without qualification that Matt is a celebrity in gay circles as porn star Matt Sanchez and as an escort. I am wondering whether this can end the issue of finding a reliable third-party source for the escort claim that meets WP standards? Comments would be appreciated. Best, Jay*Jay (talk) 10:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: LGBT Categories
I guess. But that is certainly no reason to revert the edits. --Shamir1 (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-20078755.html <---This website is republishing an Advocate article (read the header.) It talks about gays being on forefront of fashion, and then talks about some people in specific, naming D & G, YSL and Pierre Cardin (the people, not the brands), among others. --Shamir1 (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're perfectly clear, I'm just perfectly lazy (somewhat). =) --Shamir1 (talk) 02:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont know what other real encyclopedic info comes from the page besides the fact that he is gay! What else is a man to do? --Shamir1 (talk) 02:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Moved HotHardware to User:MojoKid HH/HotHardware: Userspace
Hello SatyrnTN, I've gone ahead and added serveral reference links to the entry now and feel I have given enough credible references that this document can be reinstated in the general area. Can you please take a look and let me know your decision? Thank you.

Sat, please see my update on my talk section. I am still at a loss as to why others with similar pages have existed for so long yet my entry is being questioned. Thanks --MojoKid HH (talk) 20:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Updated my talk page again. Was in the middle of an edit.  Thanks --MojoKid HH (talk) 21:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you classify significant coverage from multiple third-party sources? I've listed and referenced 4 Fortune 100 companies postings about us and two VERY large web sites that reference our material. I really do not understand what needs to be done to pass "notability". Can you please shed more light? Thanks --MojoKid HH (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Again, any clarification on what you feel would be sufficient coverage from third-party sources would be appreciated. I have three major Fortune 1000 companies with quotes/references and two large websites quoting our source content here.  Also, I don't see the move option to push it back out to mainspace.  Could you assist?  Thanks!  --MojoKid HH (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The Cancer Journals
It's a lesbian-feminist book? One of the chapter focuses on her reliance on lesbian love - please read the summary or even the title of the chapter...Why do you insist on saying LGBT books are not actually so?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry - my bad. I didn't read close enough.  Should the book also be in "LGBT-related literature" or "Lesbion lit" or whatever? As to "why", I don't write a lot of articles.  Instead I review, categorize, cleanup, and generally be a WikiFaerie.  Please don't get offended? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The trouble is it's non-fiction, so not literature per se, though maybe in the loose sense?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Literature is fiction only? IMHO, "literature" can be either fict or nonfict.  But I'm no expert! =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well in the loose sense any written text can be called literature, but in a more theoretical sense it's a craft, often fictional but sometimes not - e.g. some autobiographies...Actually I tend to think The Cancer Journals has some poetic prose to it - but then I found it in the medical section in my campus library...Zigzig20s (talk) 15:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ROTFL! Prolly cuz, like me, the title sounds waaaay too clinical :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: SatyrBot & Anime
Thanks. I already spotted several false positives, pages reporting as not having the project's template even thought they do. I wonder if this has something to do with the project template being split across multiple lines do to the amount of parameter calls as that is the one thing they have in common. --Farix (Talk) 18:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, the bot knows about that. Can you give me some examples? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I see the issue. The ones I checked where being redirected to another talk page. Example : Talk:List of Naruto episodes (seasons 5-6) was being redirected to Talk:List of Naruto episodes which has the project template. But then, my brain has turned to mush these last few days as I have been adding the listas parameter to properly sort articles beginning with "The", "A", "An", and "List of". --Farix (Talk) 20:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ow. That makes my brain hurt just thinking about it :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I'm starting to see a little light at the end of this mind-numbingly long tunnel. However, those that are left are going to require page move to comply with the accepted naming conventions. --Farix (Talk) 00:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

your redaction of opaquely sourced material
Concerning this ...

''Farnsworth: "Good news everyone! I'm sending you all on a highly controversial mission!"

''Fry: Controversial?  Farnsworth: "Oh my, no."  (Cut to Prof's lab)  Farnsworth: "On this highly controversial mission..."''

— Futurama

RE: your redactions - I addressed your concerns about source material for another user some time ago, @ http://pax.vox.com/library/post/in-the-beginning-was-the-word-but-it-was-wpor-wpself.html

Since it wasn't verifiably sourced elsewhere, and blogs of notable people are considered verifiable sources, I elected to self-create a verifiable source at that time for the sole purpose of resolving this issue.

It may not quite mesh with the _spirit_ of the matter, but damned if it doesn't address the question, technically.

''Number 1.0: Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct -- the best kind of correct. I hereby promote you to grade 37. [He changes Hermes' badge to 37. He points at Morgan.] And as for you. (shouting) Guards! [Guards surround Morgan.] (talking) Bring me the forms I need to fill out to have her taken away!''

— Also Futurama

Now, since WP:AUTO is discouraged, I regret that I now have to point you to the slightly snarky WP:SOFIXIT. Seriously though, thank you for your efforts to improve Wikipedia, past, pending, and future.

Warm Regards,

<em class="user-sig user-Adrian">—Adrian~enwiki (talk) 2008-02-27 19:54Z


 * I was srsly wondering about your hacking skillz there for a minute. I'm still wondering.
 * The snarkiness of the blog post (which I read when researching your sexuality before removing it from your WP article) led me to remove it from your WP article :) I mean a) "let's say I'm bisexual" is not opaque, and b) your sexuality seems to have nothing to do with your notability.  But, since you asked... I suppose I can add it back in.
 * :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "Category:Homeless people"? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm. When re-reading the above I realize my "smile" and humor may not have come across.  Please don't take any of the above as negative - I was actually smiling when I wrote it :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought "Category:Homeless people" was perhaps a bit of a stretch on someones part. Nevertheless, numerous bio articles contain random personal trivia relevant to character development. I mean, how important are George Washington's teeth to his historic notability? But who would (meritoriously) argue to exclude them?


 * Obviously, there's a fine line between informing and distracting the reader, but I've always felt it's important to err on the side of inclusion when it comes to deciding what might be relevant to the reader. Being the first Google hit for many names is not something to be considered lightly, and carries an implied responsibility of painting an inclusive picture.


 * *Fact: The Lamo can go from preachy to snark in 0.4 seconds in favorable winds, without visibly changing direction.*


 * <em class="user-sig user-Adrian">—Adrian~enwiki (talk) 2008-03-01 20:36Z

Wp:AN/I
SatyrTN, as you may be aware, SwatJester has started a thread at ANI about his recent block of Eleemosynary for a violation of 3RR on Matt Sanchez. I feel I should notify you that I have repoded to that thread. Whilst my post is primarily concerned with SwatJester's actions, I have provided evidence that you also violated 3RR. Jay*Jay (talk) 13:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Lonnie Frisbee again
See the history. See this too. Aside from the fact that HiDrNick has taken to stalking me on WP now, could you deal with the issue at this article again? User:Barkonst keeps removing the content. You've reverted him once as has other users. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 20:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Already done. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please reconsider your use of administrative tools on this article. Protecting a version of the article that you yourself reverted to just a day ago creates an appearance of impropriety.  &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

As a courtesy, FYI this regarding you on ANI. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 02:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You may be right, but I'm glad to see at least the beginning of a discussion. I will attempt to remain "proper" in my actions on that article. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Opera Project "To Do List"
I guess you've been very busy the last week. Anyway whenever you are ready to run the bot it will be fine with us. -- Kleinzach (talk) 04:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hunh. I didn't leave you a message, did I?  Sorry about that!
 * On the 22nd (and every Friday), SatyrBot will update a set of sub-pages on the project. You can see the full list of "To-do" items at WikiProject Opera/to do full list.  In addition, the bot will create a random sampling of the list at WikiProject Opera/To do list short.  That's the one I would keep bookmarked, since the bot will update it every time.
 * Sorry I didn't leave you a note! Let me know if the bot messes up in any serious way.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Much appreciated. Best. -- Kleinzach (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Defending your honor
A COI editor at Talk:Jim Bailey (entertainer) said something that could be interpreted as implying (en passant) that you were a homophobe. I just posted a lengthy response saying (also en passant) that I thought it unlikely. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  21:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My knight in shiny orange armor, thank you :) I honestly have no clue who Bailey was/is, and while he may very well be notable, the article reads like a  .  I may see if Benjiboi is interested in that one, since he's an absolute wiz at finding references and substantiating notability.  Thanks for the heads-up!

WP:CRIC
Hi there again. I discussed this with the rest of the cricket project at WT:CRIC and we would like you to use your bot tag our cricket categories, which are at WikiProject Cricket/Categories2 in the same way as WP:VIET I think. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 03:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Dwyer Custom Coatings
Per your comment, I took this article to AfD. Just a courtesy heads up in case you want to weigh in, since it seemed you thought it should be kept. TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 15:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) I don't care one way or another, but the article claims an award, and wasn't blatant spam, so it wasn't really eligible for Speedy.  Thanks for the heads-up! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha :) I still need to fine-tune my understanding of the speedy. TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 16:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Punk Like Me
Hello!

It seems that My article about the book "Punk Like Me" was deleted for copyright issues. Can you please tell me how to resolve this. I am in direct contact with the author and can provide any permission needed.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvince (talk • contribs)


 * Hi, Dvince!
 * Wikipedia has pretty strict rules about copyrighted material. You can look over WP:COPY if you have questions.  My suggestion, though, would be to start the article fresh and new.  Given the subject, post a note at the LGBT WikiProject and/or the Novels WikiProject.  Hope that helps! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

<BR><BR> Hi, SatyrTN! Thank you for your quick response, but as this is all new to me can you please explain more to me what kind of note shouls I post to the projects you mentioned.

Regards Dvince (talk) 19:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * A simple note that you've created the article (or are going to) and then asking for input from people that have experience writing articles about Novels - or on LGBT subjects. For instance, User:Moni3 recently worked hard on the Ann Bannon article, so she might be a good resource for writing your article.
 * Hope that helps! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Dvince (talk) 00:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Dank55/essays
Hi Satyr, I'm writing an essay for WP:WPMoS, and you're welcome to give input if you like. I hope I can ask your advice now and then for projects like this. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 19:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Rewritten a bit, and link changed to User:Dank55/Essays