User talk:SatyrTN/Archive 14

advice?
Hey Satyr, I know you saw Leah's post about BeBe K'Roche, since you gave her the commons link.  I think her idea about userfying it seems reasonable, but I'd like another opinion. What do you think? Aleta  Sing 02:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I suspect userfying would be fine, though I'm not sure it needs to be. It asserts notability and has one semi-RS on it.  With a tiny bit of work it could be a "Start"-class article.  My fear about userfying is that Poetiik might be a one-off editor - sie only made three edits while here, this being one of them.  If the article is userfied and sie doesn't come back, it will languish in userspace. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You make good points. I'll leave it in the mainspace. I found one other issue of the same newsletter to cite. There doesn't seem to be a lot else to use for sourcing. It does sound like maybe it should be notable, but I'm not finding much. Oh well, thanks for looking at it! Aleta  Sing 16:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:AUS tagging
Hi there Satyr, WP:AUS is now waiting for you at User:Moondyne/AU categories. The false positives and dupes have been removed and WP Australia is the relevant template. If the article is already tagged as a FA and GA, then please set "|class=FA" also. Thanks again,  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 08:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Blnguyen! I see that you, Moondyne, and Dihydrogen worked on the list - was there discussion with the project someplace?  I was unable to find it.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board/Archive_28 is a bit. I could bring it up again if necessary. There is also some chat on Moondyne's current page so at least a fourth Australian agrees with it.  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 22:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind, post a quick note? Just to make sure no other bots are doing the same thing, and to give people one last chance to review the cats :)  Many thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Definitely no other bots, otherwise we wouldn't have been looking about so long.... Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 03:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we have a consensus now.  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 00:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Blnguyen! I did 100 categories last night, and I'm doing 500 tonight.  I'm sorta easing into it because this is a *huge* job - 4,000 categories is a bit!  In any case, do let me know if the project gets any notices, complaints, or otherwise due to the bot.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not picking up any articles!  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 02:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it fixed?  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 03:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems to be running just fine now. Guess the API got itself together :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's jammed at the moment,  Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 05:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have it programmed to stop if anyone leaves a message on its talk page. Just in case it hits an icy patch and runs away.  In any case, I replied to Hesperian and nudged the bot into continuing :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we fire up the next round please?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The current run was quick....so the bot is waiting for its master to allocate some more work :). Thanks for hte VN run yesterday.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Bisexual TV shows
The L Word is a lesbian show, but it does have major bisexual characters, as does Torchwood. I'm pretty sure most of the first season of the L Word is dealing with Jenny's bisexuality. Alice's bisexuality is kind of important to her relationships too. The catagory I've made is bisexuality-related tv series. I'd say Torchwood, with all it's bisexuality, is pretty bisexuality related. Even if it's not the central theme. The show has an lgbt category, and would you argue that that's not important to the show either? The producer Russel T Davies stresses the importance of the show as a drama before fantasy, just as with Doctor Who. Bob & Rose is a mini series that revolves entirely around the issue of a Bob's bisexuality. So does Portrait of a Marriage. It's the whole theme of A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila. I understand that there aren't a lot of shows where bisexuality is an fairly frequent issue, but I argue that definitely with these shows, it is. Enough so that they are 'bisexuality-related'. Also, you said, "Even Torchwood, where all the characters are bisexual, it's not a central issue to the show." I'm not sure what you mean by that. Does it not count because they don't talk about it? Or they're not oppressed for it? I mean, it's a fairly important part of Jack's life, and it's definitely an important part of Ianto's drama in the show. It's pretty blatantly shown that traditionally, members of Torchwood aren't monosexual, and that's a fairly significant portion of the drama. Without it, a lot of things would be different in this show. Andral (talk) 03:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand that bisexuality is present on a lot of the shows - let's take Torchwood, since it's the only one of the lot that I've seen :) So yes, all the characters are bisexual.  And being bisexual is part of the characters.  But it isn't important to the series.  They don't talk about being bisexual.  They don't have to come out to their parents as bisexual.  I don't even think the word bisexual has been uttered.  So actually, I would argue that it's not important to the show.  Would you categorize the show with "Category:Gambling-related television series?  They gamble with their lives almost constantly.  And for The L Word - yes, some of the characters are bisexual, but the series is lesbian-related, right?  I guess what I'm getting at is that bisexuality may be significant to a character or set of characters; it may even be a significant part of some episodes, but is it central to the series, which is what the cat is for.  And given that question, is it a common enough theme - or even "notable" enough - to warrant its own cat? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Obviously I think it is. So if you want to nominate it for deletion, that's up to you.  But I don't think your arguments are particularly valid. Just because the characters sexuality isn't socially problematic, doesn't mean it's not important to their development.  The show is catagorised as a drama, meaning the dramatic elements, not just the sci fi, are important.  Would the fact that they're all bisexual only matter if someone said "Hey guys, we're all bisexual!"?Andral (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're totally missing my point. The category is "Bisexuality-related television series".  Can you show me in the description of the series how it is "bisexuality-related"?  I've already agreed that several/all of the characters are bi/omni sexual, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any source at all that says the series is bisexuality-related. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, so whether or not some or all of the regular stars are bisexual, it's not bisexuality related unless somewhere says it's a bisexual show? I can only come up with stuff like Russel T Davies saying all characters' sexualities are intended to remain fluid, but that's even quoted on the Torchwood page (or the themes in torchwood page).  I mean otherwise all you can get is stuff like this http://www.biresource.org/717, http://www.johnbarrowman.com/outabout/press/2006/GT102006.html, http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2007/9/torchwood . So if that's not enough for you, I don't know how to convince you. But I still don't think that excludes the show from this category.
 * You know we should probably be having this discussion on the Torchwood discussion, because I really don't believe you're going to convince me, and it'll ultimately come down to what everyone else thinks. Andral (talk) 13:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's alright. I understand that the category may be "too soon" or not large enough, but I chose the shows I did for very specific reasons, over many other shows featuring bisexuality.  These shows majorly feature bisexuality.  There are a lot of films and shows that feature homosexual relations that are in the lgbt category that don't mention homosexuality either.  Come to think of it, I think the word 'gay' has only appeared in Torchwood twice in two seasons, and both times been made obviously incorrect.   Andral (talk) 16:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:VIET
Hi there. Your bot seemed to forget last Wednesday's run (Wiki time). Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm. It seems to have run last night, so whatever it was seems to be fixed.  But let me know if/when it happens again. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

User account, donation of copyrighted material, and re-deletion of article
SatyrTN,

Please find the user page of ITU-T clarified, with a donation of copyrighted material. Two questions; where can ‘Someone from Wikipedia’ (as written in DCP) be notified about the donation, and after this is done, how can the ‘permission group’ be contacted for re-deletion of the article on Malcolm Johnson (Director)?

16:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC), ITU-T


 * Hi, ITU-T! I'm not quite sure... I've left a message at Wikipedia talk:Donating copyrighted materials.  WP:COPYREQ says the email address is permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org - I would email them for more information. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha, oh dear
I found your userboxes very, very funny, especially the conflicting 'I am accused of being a homophobe'/'I identify as gay' ones. Hats off for your comedy. αѕєηιηє t/c


 * LOLz - thanks! Your username made me giggle, too =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of talkheader by bot
It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Talk:English language. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. —teb728 t c 22:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm. The bot is programmed to recognize and keep talkheaders - I don't know why it was removed.  I'll take a look and see what's wrong.  Thanks for letting me know =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

wp:dttr
hey there! i just passed the info along. thank! --emerson7 01:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ;) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

SatyrBot Error?
For some reason, SatyrBot has added the WikiProject:Australia banner to Talk:The Fly (U2 song) and Talk:The Saints Are Coming, two songs which - to my knowledge - have little or nothing to do with Australia. Is this an error by the bot? MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, MelicansMatkin! Both were number one singles in Australia.  The bot is going through User:Moondyne/AU categories - a list of categories the project developed.  I'm not totally convinced all the articles in Category:Number-one singles in Australia should necessarily be part of the project, but you could leave a message with the project if you disagree.  Thanks for letting me know! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed WP Australia from those two articles. I agree that it was  a mistake to tag these types of articles with the Australian project template.  We're working on fixing this now.  Apologies. &mdash;Moondyne click! 06:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm removing the banner from "Bring Me to Life" as well. Simply being a #1 single in a country is an extraordinarily thin reason for adding a project banner.  Also note that this edit damaged the code (apparently) in its attempt to handle the WikiProjectBannerShell implementation, and removed TalkHeader in the process.  Was that last part intentional? — Huntster (t • @ • c) 08:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Huntster. The bot is supposed to recognize talkheader and not remove it.  I need to do some testing to figure out what's wrong with that.  Thanks for pointing it out. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Uh, I hope your bot was not taking a "short break" because I insulted it. I didn't realise it had feelings, or I wouldn't have sledged it so. Hesperian 14:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it is rude to alter a bot page - especially when it says right at the top "Please do not remove or change any information unless you know what you're doing." =D
 * But it's actually taking a break because I'm traveling for a couple days, and I need to fix the "talkheader" issue that has annoyed several people :) So no worries! =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool. I was running a script on the Flora of Australia category subtree, and one of the last things it did was list all the categories that appear on any of the articles in the subtree. Since that page was tagged into all those categories, and some of them were in my subtree, all those other categories got added to my list, and I was left wondering "WTF? Which plant article is also a Men at Work album?" Hesperian 00:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks - that made me giggle =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Kentucky Fairness Alliance NPOV Question
Hi! I was wanting to get your opinion on a section of the Kentucky Fairness Alliance article. The section discussing disputes with the Kentucky Equality federation seems to me to be very POV, and as much as I would personally like to delete it, some of the statements made in that section are factual. What are your thoughts on ways to fix that section, or should the section jsut be deleted? --Antcjone (talk) 21:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not fond of much of that article. I dealt with it a little, but the whole thing needs some TLC.  Perhaps take out the person's name, and maybe the quote?  That would leave the factual info while not pointing fingers.  Just my $.02 :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to spend some time on it tomorrow and try and give it a little rehab. Thanks for your input!! --Antcjone (talk) 00:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course
My apologies I was removing deleted categories for WP:CfD, and I realized that those categories were re-added by the users and there is apparently no policy on re-adding deleted categories, so I stopped when I read that. Again, so sorry for any inconvenience. As for the XHTML-ing, I do that automatically in article namespace, and it was a holdover. Prior to your message on my talk, I have also removed that rule from AWB. Thanks so much for your note. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Carolena Nericcio
Hello. She invented an entire style of dance that is now performed all over the world by hundreds of dancers, what is not notable about that? And she has already been written about in several other wiki articles (as being the person that founded the particular style of dance) If users have written articles about dancers who used to be students of Carolena's and are now famous dancers themselves, then surely Carolena is notable as well? You may not have heard of her if you are not a belly dancer but there is not a belly dancer on the planet who has not heard of her. Please review this subject again, Thanks (please reply on my page, cheers) ChaosBaby (talk) 02:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

All the info I added here >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChaosBaby/Carolena_Nericcio  <<<-is from either  http://www.fcbd.com/ or other bellydance sources. I have added all the references and websites on to the above link. Is that not enough info? I added all the details about where she is from and the websites i got the info from ChaosBaby (talk) 02:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)



ChaosBaby (talk) has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Hello, I think I have sorted everything now. I have edited my Carolena Nericcio article and it now contains the links from various sources to prove her notabilty, as requested. Thanks for your help Please could you check it and confirm everything is ok on my talk page, thanks ChaosBaby (talk) 20:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?
How come I got another tag for vandalism? I thought i had fixed the problem? ChaosBaby (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:WP:PACKERS
You told me to tell you when I would like to have the bot run per my request here. Well I'm ready for it! Thanks a whole bunch. I also had a question on whether or not you could also have your bot do another request, this being just a one-time request. I was wondering if you would be able to search Category:Green Bay Packers players and Category:Green Bay Packers coaches and make a list of all the articles missing an Infobox. I figured that you could just search the articles for the string "Infobox" and any articles that miss it could be placed on an appropriate sub-page (WikiProject Green Bay Packers/Infobox needed). Then the project could go and place the appropriate infobox on the articles. Well let me know if this is possible and if you would be interested. Thanks a million again for your help. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs)  07:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Gonzo! I'm a little behind at the moment.  The bot is a little over halfway through a 4000 category job for WP:Australia, and I have a WP:Opera job after that.  I'll put you on the list, but ping me in a week to make sure I don't forget :) I may be able to do the report today, though - that shouldn't take any effort. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton for your help!  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs)  03:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's your one week ping! :-)  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs)  08:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I miss NC
Look familiar? :P This guy films interstates, highways, roads, etc. in NC and a few other places. This brought back memories of driving home everyday after work. The video ends right before you get to Wake Forest Road, the exit I took to my apartment. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

William Jarvis, Weathersfield
Hello again, my friend. Many thanks for all your help. I have one small niggling question that I'd like to run by you if you don't mind. I made a contribution to an entry on Weathersfield, Vermont, in the 'notable people' section. A fellow deleted the entry (although he left my contribution about it on the history section intact), and basically challenged the fact that the individual was important by noting that the person didn't have a wikipedia page. Well, my experience is that just because someone doesn't have a page on wikipedia doesn't mean they're not important. :-) In any case, by and large I've found people here very courteous about this sort of thing. Before I knew what I was doing, I made an entry on the Fox Talbot, the inventor of photography. Rather than delete it outright, a person pleasantly asked me to substantiate what I'd posted. Thanks to you, by then I knew how to footnote. I went back in and added the appropriate footnotes, and the entry stands as I wrote it. My (longwinded) point is that it would be nice if before people simply delete, they at least run it by you and give you a shot at authenticating what one has written. Is that too much to expect? Just curious..... Again, many thanks for all your help.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have subsequently fleshed out a great deal of the history on William Jarvis but have not yet written a full-scale page on him. However, I just received this message from the individual I mentioned earlier: "I've realised that I missed the thing about how any person recognised as of great significance in his/her field (i.e. sheep ranching in the USA) is considered notable." I think this is getting out-of-hand. Is there an appeal to a higher authority on wikipedia?MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, this person went ahead and created a stub entry on William Jarvis, although it was pretty clear from discussion that it was I who was interested in Jarvis and probably knew a bit more about him. Is there such a thing as wikipedia etiquette?MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can help expand that article. Anyone can create an article, so it's not really about etiquette. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. I suppose I figured that having argued with this individual over the importance of Jarvis, it might stand to reason that he would let me know he was going to go ahead and write the piece. Oh well. So much for manners. I will go ahead and contribute to it, now that it's done. Have a good day.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Yes, now that I think it over, I consider that sort of behavior rude, arrogant and discourteous. Having argued ad infinitum with someone over the lack of 'notability' of an individual, then to turn right around and post an article without even having the courtesy to let the person know you were going to do it.... Well, I suppose one can do that, but it doesn't exactly endear one to fellow wikipedians, which is pretty obvious reading that individual's talk page. Thanks again for your help.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

In regards to this edit
Do you think it's worthy of being included in your "homophobic" accusations? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Where are you? Come back Satyr, I've been bad and need to be "punished." AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 08:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Marla Glen
Hi, I fixed this article but I'm not so good with categorization. Could have a look? Thanks. --Dia^ (talk) 13:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ping!
As requested! In fact, more than four days have elapsed and it looks as if the Australian project has finished - any progress to report to the Opera Project? Best. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 10:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi! We've noticed that you're out of action for whatever reason - hope it's nothing serious.  Anyway, forget the Opera Project tagging (now archived) as I've put in a request at Bot requests and had a positive reply from Happy‑melon.  Best wishes. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikibreak?
Hey Satyr, I haven't seen you around for several days. I hope everything's ok, and you're just taking a wikibreak. Aleta  Sing 18:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Hello my friend. Noticed you've been on a break. Hope all is well. Thanks again for all your help!MarmadukePercy (talk) 17:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

One minor question
Just wondering how one approaches the wikipedia commons for a clarification. I posted two photos that were sent to me by a family member, personally taken by her, with express permission for me to use them in whatever way I saw fit. I posted both here (one of a family house, the other of a tombstone). But it appears that wikipedia commons is denying me a right to use them (or at least a 'bot' is). I wonder if there's a way to straighten this out. I know the person who sent them to me and she has no objection to their being used. Many thanks and take care.MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In the same vein, I wondered what the wikipedia policy is on using photos from flickr? I recall having read something about it but now can't recall. Thanks!MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't figure out the wikipedia commons for the life of me. I uploaded the two files to the commons, and then posted them. I have posted a couple of different times to the 'bot' who seems to have me blocked (or is it an actual user?). No answer. And now wikipedia commons prevents me from communicating to anyone, claiming that I uploaded two images without permission. I do note that the 'bot' or actual human being notes on its web page that it has a 'basic understanding' of English. Hmmm.... What gives? Thanks! MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As I didn't hear back from you, I was unsure how to proceed on this. I posted repeatedly to the Commons for a clarification. There was never one forthcoming. Tonight they deleted my two photos. Do other folks find it frustrating to use the Commons? I sure do. Thanks. MarmadukePercy (talk) 06:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Claire Waldoff, Alexander Ziegler, Thomas Grossmann and Ulrike Lunacek and Hans-Georg Stümke
Please correct mistakes of article to german lesbian cabaret singer Claire Waldoff and Alexander Ziegler and Thomas Grossmann, Greetings from Germany, GLGermann (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Aquafina logo.png)
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SatyrBot error
It got a little enthusiastic in moving templates around ... (I fixed this one by hand, didn't go looking for others.) - David Gerard (talk) 18:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:2007 Armed Forces Bowl.png
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Wyman Wong
Hi. You deleted all my contributions on Wyman Wong. On what ground did you classify my listing of his gay-themed song lyrics as a WP:BLP violation"? I would appreciate it if you're not so ruthless in coming after my work. Thank you. Edchoi (talk) 03:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, Edchoi! I deleted that information because I couldn't find any reliable sources for it.  The link you had provided:  was a forum message, which is not considered reliable.  If you can provide a source for the info, preferably in English, please feel free to add it back.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Call Scotland Yard!
I hope you're enjoying your vacation to Mysteryville. :P MiszaBot is about to Rkive your whole talk page, so hurry up and come back.  APK  yada yada  15:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe this may call for Holmes and Watson.MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Notice
Your bot is presently being discussed at WT:BAG, specifically here. Please, consider discussing the matter there. SQL Query me! 05:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've responded there.  I'm not sure when I'll make corrections to the bot, but it won't be running until I get it fixed. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Page for deletion on the french wikipedia
Hi, I just sent you a notice on your talk page over there because an LGBT article is filed for deletion, and I don't think it should be deleted. Maybe you can help by stating your opinion. Thiste (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Since you and your bot are on holiday (so to speak)...
Is it OK if I manually empty this page: WikiProject LGBT studies/SatyrBot maintenance/Deletion possibilities? <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 15:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks and done! <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 00:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Masonic era
I see that you deleted Masonic era with "G12: Blatant copyright infringement: http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/mackeys_encyclopedia/c.htm)". Could you restore it? It was based on the work of Albert Mackey who died in 1881. Please leave a note in my Talk page when you answer. --Error (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Bot
Is your bot still running. When was the last time it ran on WP:CHIBOTCATS for WP:CHICAGO?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ann Scott page
Can I ask you for help on the Ann Scott page (french writer) as I noticed you updated it once or twice ? I'm updating it with new relevant changes and a another user is undoing everything all the time. He goes by the name of Olaf150 (which is my name reversed, and I don't know why he's doing that) and also by different London ip's. He's undoing links I add, new lay outs for the bibliography, new translation of french citations that were not properly translated, and so on. He's coming after me every time I change something, and as I'm not an administrator, I can't block him. I don't know what's wrong with him, as he never explains his own changes. What can I do ? Thank you in advance for your help. Olaf750 (talk) 15:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Another Illinois Query
I was wondering, whenever you get back I was hoping you could run your bot through all the Illinois articles, and possibly locate all the ones that have pictures in them? Is something like this possible? I am looking for those that I have missed, that need tagging or moving to Commons. I don't know when you will be back, but if you could just respond to my talk page so I know you might be around, I would really appreciate it. I took a wikibreak myself and I need to take a look at that other list of stuff from the last run. Thanks again for your help in the past!--Kranar drogin (talk) 03:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Chris Garneau
The user User:Chinatowngirl is trying to remove the reference to Garneau's sexuality. Another user has already reverted her changes, but what exactly are the policies regarding this? (Sorry, I didn't know you were on vacation!) Keithbrooks (talk) 08:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Amherst Town Seal.png
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:La-Fea-mas-Bella.png)
Thanks for uploading Image:La-Fea-mas-Bella.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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 * I took care of this issue. Someone uploaded a new image, Image:Lafeaa.jpg, today and replaced the one you uploaded in the article causing the one you uploaded to be orphaned. The new image the person uploaded did not have a license or FUR. I reverted his/her change back to the image you uploaded. We know you're off building condos all over the world so we got your back! - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 13:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Template
I was looking around the warning templates, and was wondering what Sandbox/uf was doing in the project space, since it has no incoming links.  MBisanz  talk 15:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Joshuajohanson
Please have a good and permanent look on the edits of User:Joshuajohanson. My english is not good enough to look after the edits of Joshuajohanson. GLGermann (talk) 06:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Pls come back!
Please come back soon. Just thought I'd swing by and say that.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiBreak
Due to RL concerns (I'm building a home) I'll probably be unavailable for the next several weeks. Unless it's particularly rainy out. =D Don't worry - I'm pretty sure I'll be back soon! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG. Is this house for you, or Allstar? :-) Sounds like fun, actually, and a lot of work. But satisfying.  Glad you are OK. Many of us were worried.  — Becksguy (talk) 06:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Build me one while you're at it. I want one that looks like the house from Designing Women.  APK  yada yada  09:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting us know, Satyr! Like Becksguy said, some of us had been worried. Building a home is a very good reason not to be here though. Happy construction! <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 14:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

haha I wish he was building me a new home! - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's build a big house where we can all live, like The Waltons. :P We'll each have a work station and spend countless hours on WP. I get the master bedroom. "Goodnight Mary Ellen, goodnight John Boy."  APK  yada yada  19:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't archive this thread yet, Miszabot. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 14:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * keeping thread from archiving while Satyr's on wikibreak <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 00:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Awake for the summer
As requested on my talk page, just a note to let you know I'm coming out of hibernation and will probably be moderately active for the next few months. I'm changing my status on the LGBT project page too. :-) Textorus (talk) 21:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

actors who havent done crossdressing or playing transgender women in films, yet
James Franco, Chris Klein of 1999 film American Pie, Ryan Gosling, Chris Evans, Luke Wilson, Lance Bass & Val Klimer have'nt been play it in films. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.127.178.158 (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

question re dealing with uncited material
When dealing with possibly factual but uncited material continually added to an article, do you think it's better to keep removing it and leaving a note on the editor's talk page, or to look for a source myself? On one hand, the material sometimes seems easily verifiable, on the other hand I don't want to feel like I'm continually fact-checking for people who can't be bothered to do their own (and show their work). Rachel Summers (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Mistake by SatyrBot
This relates to an old edit I've only just noticed, so the problem may have been fixed by now, but: on February 12, SatyrBot duplicated the existing 'oldafd' template when updating the rating on Talk:Tom Walsh (coach). See the diff: This isn't a major issue, but I just thought I should bring it to your attention. Terraxos (talk) 00:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Your bot
Appears to have gotten confused here? SGGH speak! 09:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied here. Satyr, come back now! If you do, I'll send you dirty pix!!! :P  APK  yada yada  09:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:The Fairly OddParents - Baby Poof.png)
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Consensus on reasoning for LGBT Project Articles
A new discussion you may be interested in:Consensus on reasoning for LGBT Project Articles. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  07:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Sewanee alumni
I have nominated sewanee alumni for renaming to sewanee. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
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This newsletter was delivered by §hepBot around 16:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC). ShepBot (talk) 16:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Perfect Dark: Source
Could you give me a copy of the last revision of the article? --Pizzahut2 (talk) 13:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Schillaci
You wrote: ''Having a relationship (sexual or otherwise) with a man when you're a man - that's what homosexuality is. Labeling Schillaci gay is incorrect by any definition. His molesting was about power, not the gender of the person being molested.''

And you couldn't be more wrong. Paedophiles may be either heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. He's a homosexual paedophile, simply. Read up on Pedophilia and get your facts straight. Nor is pedophilia about power/domination, I guess it could be, but that's rare. Stop speaking about things you don't understand, please. --81.234.213.165 (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Bad edits by SatyrBot
Hi, I saw this edit by SatyrBot today. It looks like the bot is adding an "importance" parameter to the WPBiography template. This parameter was deprecated a long time ago for WPBiography. WPBiography uses the "priority" parameter instead (don't know why). Please update SatyrBot accordingly (or convince WikiProject Biography to go back to using "importance"). Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 20:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, why is this bot running? You've not edited since April, and the bot is still making the same errors. Gimmetrow 13:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * SatyrBot also had until edited since the 5th of April until the 20th of June, the day these errors occurred. It has not edited again since that date. Satyr must have logged in with his bot that one day to catch up on some work WPChicago wanted. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 21:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Kelley_Eskridge.jpg
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Hello
Hello! :) Just thought this might interest you. Have a nice day and Happy editing! -- Grrrlriot (♠ ♣ ♦ ♥ †) 23:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Facial Hair Types.png
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See you edited recently!
Hope that means you are considering coming back. <strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000">Avruch <strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000"> T 13:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of John McMullen (broadcaster)
I have nominated John McMullen (broadcaster), an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/John McMullen (broadcaster). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Rtphokie (talk) 19:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC) —— Copied to you by SSBohio 14:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

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