User talk:Saucer Tennis

Regardless of the conflict my attempts to highlight the historical significance of Saucer Tennis upon the WikiPedia site created I wish the very best to the administrator, contributors and users of WikiPedia during this trying time in world history. May you and the ones you hold dear stay virus free. --Saucer Tennis (talk) 22:12, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Saucer Tennis


A tag has been placed on User:Saucer Tennis requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. creffett (talk) 00:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination? Is that word to antiseptic a cover for action taken against a Wikipedia community member ?

The page has been edited to highlight the historical importance of Saucer Tennis to the history of disc sport. --Saucer Tennis (talk) 15:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Promotion-only account?
Hi, your username and contributions seem to imply that you are only using Wikipedia to promote "Saucer Tennis". This is not allowed; Wikipedia does not accept promotion.

If you continue to use Wikipedia for promotion, you may be blocked from editing.

If you would like to contribute to Wikipedia in ways unrelated to Saucer Tennis, please request a username change at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Afterwards, please do not continue to edit about topics you have a conflict of interest about. Feel free to have a look at the Task Center for more constructive ideas.

Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

There is no call for action from the user within the page I posted it is a brief history of Saucer Tennis the disc sport I invented in 1976 and offered a link to the LOC.gov website proving it was copyright protected in 1980. Unless you believe you can rewrite history the history of Disc Sport does include TV, Print, radio and live events of Saucer Tennis play. As for it being a business promotional piece it does not claim to be a franchise as does the ‪‪Creffett‬ administrator page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saucer Tennis (talk • contribs) 02:10, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for advertising or promotion. From your contributions, this seems to be your only purpose. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I want to challenge your decision to block me as the page is clearly not an advertisement or promotion. --Saucer Tennis (talk) 15:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

An independent administrator will review this request; I recommend proposing a new username and explaining which topics unrelated to promoting your own invention you would like to edit about in the future, to prove that the block currently prevents contributions that the community considers to be useful. I have now also replied to your message at User_talk:ToBeFree. If you would like to discuss the deletion of the page, please ask, the deleting administrator, for details. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I have read your reply now suggesting I am using the Wikipedia User page as a web hosting service. It is a unique argument in that I have no data beyond the paragraph regarding the historical importance of the dics sport Saucer Tennis to disc player enthusiast. There is also no mention of my name as the inventor in the User page. In point of fact anyone using Wikipedia as a hosting service would suffer from the myriad of clicks to find data specific to their interest. In addition can you tell me what the difference is of the Flying Disc Sport page labeled an article and containing review of many disc sport with images, from the Saucer Tennis user page except in the amount of data offered? Heck we even have a trained referee to govern Saucer Tennis play in SF.

The process of offering information of benefit to Wikipedia users is a circus of jumps, dodges and avoiding ruffling feathers. I see little value in having to defend my actions for simply sharing information of value.


 * Regards
 * --Saucer Tennis (talk) 15:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, "sharing information of value" is a commonly used subjective description of self-promotion. The criterion used for deletion was "WP:U5" – one of the few "speedy deletion" criteria the community has introduced in response to the high amount of similar cases appearing on Wikipedia every day. This one is not special. I'd argue that the main reason for wanting to publish something on Wikipedia is exactly the selectivity that is now being complained about. Again, I notice the usage of plural pronouns ("we"), and the strong focus on Saucer Tennis. To me, the message seems to confirm that the block currently is actually required to prevent further similar disruption. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

The word, "We" was used in the reply to your reply (once), it also refers to players of the sport. It is not used in the User: Saucer Tennis page description. The focus on Saucer Tennis is done to identify the subject holding historical significance to disc sport, (a disc sport, "Saucer Tennis" ). If it had another name such as Goaltimate, Guts, Ultimate, the focus would have been identified as such. As for disruption, it is not my posting of the page highlighting Saucer Tennis historical significance, but your desire to remove the information presented that pilots that aspect of these interactions. Again there is no harm done to the Wikipedia brand by the post, deletion is unwarranted. Regards --Saucer Tennis (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Encyclopaedias are only as good as their worst source. An article that is completely bereft of sources is worse than an article cited only to IMDb (which is itself a worthless source due to being a wiki). Also, the calculus should not be "damage to Wikipedia", it's actually "damage to Wikipedia and the reputations of the person who wrote the article and the article subject." This is why drafts and userpages are NOINDEXed. Us Wikipedians are aware of the outsize influence Google and other search engines give us, and so we do everything in our power to be sure that something a user drafts or some promotional piece they write will not be visible on search engines without going through vetting first. And ToBeFree is correct; "sharing information" is always used to try and fool us into allowing promotional articles. It doesn't work. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Onward to 2020 21:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I have determined that actions taken by ~ ToBeFree have been conducted to injure the value of Saucer Tennis. Attempting to categorize the one paragraph Historical synopsis as Spam is false. After ten years as a member of Wikipedia I wish to withdraw from the community and demand all use of the words Saucer Tennis be removed from the Wikipedia website immediately as they are a protected IP. Callous ignorance is not a personality trait any administrator should depend upon to make rational decisions. --Saucer Tennis (talk) 19:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If there are any remaining mentions of Saucer Tennis in articles(I don't think there is); they can't just be removed as whenever you make an edit you agree to the following text written right above the button: "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license." 331dot (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)