User talk:Saucermoon

Welcome!
This tag saved my life when I got started. It should help with citation.Mrathel (talk) 08:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

haiku sources
Dear sir, I have reverted your recent changes to the Haiku in English article. I agree that the citations need to be made, but the sources should probably be from a text book. As far as the citation method goes, I think it would probably be best to use something less-obtrusive. I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject, and I will try to help with any other changes Mrathel (talk) 08:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello sir, I have many sources from which I can quote, however, I'm really not sure how to do everything. So thank you so much for offering to help. If you feel these citations need to be made from a book, I can do that. I would like to quote 3 different books in the spaces provided. Thank you for letting me know that books are the more reliable sources. Also, I could really use some help with my article on Jim Kacian. Can you help, or should I just keep editing? And what should I do about a time limit? Will it be erased? Thank you so much for your help. Saucermoon (talk) 01:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Why do the boxes appear? Saucermoon (talk) 06:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Should i know what boxes you mean? --Aleen f 1 07:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

When I made the last changes to my article on Jim Kacian boxes appeared. I'm not referring to the contents box, but farther down the page. Do the boxes indicate the problem places? Should I just remove these parts of the article and replace them in a different manner. Thank you! Saucermoon (talk) 16:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The Reason the boxes appear is because the format of the text is not supported by the wiki. manual indentations will appear as boxes in most cases, and if you copy and paste from non-supported formats, it will often surround the text in a box.Just for reference, if you want to direct someone to an article surround it in brackets like Jim Kacian Mrathel (talk) 20:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so very much. I know how to deal with that now. I've been adding as many references and citations as possible. How else can I improve the Jim Kacian article? I could use as much help as you can give! Thanks ever so much! Saucermoon (talk) 05:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are looking for feedback on the Jim Kacian article, I would love to throw my hat in here for a second. The first issue is that many people are going to press you for a claim to notability, which is almost implied in your context but could be greatly improved with a few sources on the topic that extend beyond anything published by Red Moon Press. Read over WP:Creative and find a few non-trivial sources to cite information about the poet. These could be anything published by a poetry review, a university, or a book on modern Haiku that contains achedemic discussions of any poem by the poet. Next, read the WP:Cite articlem and do your best to use footnotes for reference. This is not necessarily a requirement for wikipedia, but it is a requirement for Good Articles and Featured Articles, and most of us have just switched to it out of habbit. It is pretty easy once you learn how to put the citataions into propert wiki HTML. I could help if you have any questions after reading the Citataion article. Let me know if you have any other questions Mrathel (talk) 13:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello Saucermoon. I've just made a number of superficial edits to Jim Kacian, and left a note on the Talk page there, which I hope is helpful. Also, when you can, please look at the Talk page for Haiku in English where I have added a note on your recently added references there. I'm sure we can reach agreement on the wording in question.
 * Thanks, --Yumegusa (talk) 13:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Yumegusa. Thank you for your kind suggestions and your helpful edits. It might be difficult to support the "one breath" quality stated in Haiku in English, though it is still said and spoken of. I do not own all of the haiku "How to" books, but I will add a new citation, which you can check, and I have research on-going by someone who owns the books I don't. As you might know, it is hard to find most of these at local libraries. Thanks again for your help. Saucermoon (talk) 19:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

WJ Higginson article
After all your hard work on Jim Kacian, I wonder would you be in a position to help out with the William J Higginson article? I created it a few weeks back, but it's a bit thin on facts. It occurred to me you might have (referenced) info to hand which could enlarge it. Thanks, --Yumegusa (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like that. What kind of information did you have in mind? smiles, Saucermoon (talk) 08:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Whatever you think relevant to an encyclopaedic article. You appear to have in-depth knowledge in the area which could be a real asset in editing such articles. Don't wait to be invited: all articles are open to improvement, and nobody 'owns' them. Thanks :) --Yumegusa (talk) 09:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Since it pertains to haiku, I think highlighting his contributions and some of his work might be the way to go. I believe there are many articles that cite his expertise in the field and that he is best known recently for his work with an English-language saijiki. He has a new (updated) volume of Wolrd Haiku coming out. I'll have to check to see if it's out yet. With his death and the loss and the memorials. . . But also his Handbook was almost a bible for most 'new to haiku' poets in the 90s. We can cite many articles that attain to that. I think we can add some of his work that has been anthologized, but I'll need to check about those and/or get permission from his partner, Penny Harter. He also taught renku. I'll check the net and all the articles and books I have. I'll also ask around. Busy at the moment with things, but I'll read up. I think I can get a photo if you'd like as well. until soon, season's greetings Saucermoon (talk) 18:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC) ps. You might like to read this article by George Swede (http://simplyhaiku.com/SHv6n4/features/Higginson.html). I haven't read it all myself yet, but it tells a lot and you might be interested. all best Saucermoon (talk) 19:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all that. It's a busy time for many, and I'm away for the next couple of weeks myself. There's no rush on these things, but it's nice to keep them moving in the right direction. A photo of WJH would be great. Will look at George's article asap. Season's greetings to you, too :) --Yumegusa (talk) 19:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * PS there's a discussion re relevance or otherwise of global haiku manifestations over at Talk:Haiku, where you might care to express an opinion.--Yumegusa (talk) 19:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Yumegusa! Below is a message from Penny Harter about Bill's wiki. I'll contact Anthony Buccino about the photo (http://www.2hweb.net poetry center). I'll ask him if he can put it on for Bill. smiles, saucermoon 63.17.32.175 (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I just skimmed through the piece for Bill. The Haiku Handbook is no longer with McGraw Hill, but with Kodansha International now, for some years. Look it up on amazon. Seasons and World are out of print with Kodansha, but The Haiku Seasons is due out soon in a 2nd edition from Stonebridge Press. Again, look on the web for it, perhaps at their site. I haven't had time to check.
 * You can use any photo you want. Maybe the one of him reading at the NJ poetry center would be fine. Just try to contact Anthony. (Is that on google-photos if I search?) And of course you can use "holding the water" (no caps, I think) and any other poem of his you like. Just tell me first.

Copying that last post by saucermoon to Talk:William J. Higginson--Yumegusa (talk) 09:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)