User talk:SaveOurStateOfficial

January 2009
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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. AnyPerson (talk) 03:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, you will be blocked for vandalism. —C.Fred (talk) 03:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Talk:Save Our State. ArglebargleIV (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I need to read more thoroughly, however I am the director of Save Our State. For some time now, non-SOS members have been defaming our organization on this wikipedia page. The information on the discussion page was far from factual. Reinstate the account. As of now all SOS edits have been performed by an unverified source not affiliated with Save Our State. Check out my log-in, it is the official SOS email account!
 * Repeated removal of Talk page edits by other users is not an acceptable behavior. You should also read WP:COI.  Discuss your concerns, with no threats about talking to lawyers, at the article's Talk page.  AnyPerson (talk) 04:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)  (edited per Fred)

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy because your account is being used only for vandalism. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below.

Perhaps I need to read more thoroughly, however I am the director of Save Our State. For some time now, non-SOS members have been defaming our organization on this wikipedia page. As of now all SOS edits have been performed by an unverified source not affiliated with Save Our State. Check out my log-in, it is the official SOS email account!


 * There are also two other reasons for which you should/could be blocked:


 * Violation of the username policy, for using the name of the group as your username.
 * Making a legal threat, which you did in this edit.


 * If there are issues with the comments on the talk page, the better approach is to explain why there is an issue with the comments rather than delete them without explanation. —C.Fred (talk) 04:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Fred, the Save Our State was NOT officially created by an SOS staff member. Fine, we will start a new username, but I am the director of the organization and thus do not see the problem using the name since I am the official SOS director. SOS does not mind people defaming our organization, except for on sources considered to be "factual" like Wikipedia. The page as it stands now is full of inaccuracies that need to be corrected.

And perhaps the editors should not be so quick to jump on a brand new user without correspondence first. Wikipedia did not seem to have a problem with the SOS page being "vandalized" with false information.

Save Our State is for secure borders and legal immigration. We are a multi-ethnic organization including Hispanic-Americans, Black Americans, Native American Indians, and legal immigrants. We have no ties at all with racist groups like the Brown Berets, Black Panthers, or Nazis! As it stands now the page falsely indicates such absurdity with no facts and photos that do NOT include SOS members.

The facts include the following:

1. SOS created a city ordinance initiative. 2. SOS organized a civil rights march with Black Activist Ted Hayes. 3. SOS organized a Free Ramos & Compean march in Hollywood which was featured on "America's Most Wanted". 4. SOS now mainly creates initiatives and lobbies in DC and Sacramento. (The rally quoted on the site in Ojai was NOT Save Our State, but a group called No More Invasion.)

There are so many missing facts and tons of lies on the current page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaveOurStateOfficial (talk • contribs)


 * First, it's proper procedure for an article to be created by persons not associated with the entity. Entities do not own articles about them. That said, the requirement for neutral point-of-view is applicable on both sides of the equation. An article is not a soapbox for opinions in favor of or against the subject. Please note that I have added the tag to the article, because I feel it may be non-neutral against the organization.


 * I have not had time to fully vet the article, but I did go ahead and pull the section of the article about Ojai. Please notice that I have added text to the talk page in doing so—specifically, I added the disputed text from the article and indicated what my objections were about it. This way, if anybody wants to make the counterpoint that it should stay in the article, we can discuss and, hopefully, reach consensus over what to do.


 * That's where one of the problems with your conduct came in. By deleting the discussion about the article from the talk page, it created the appearance that you were hiding the record of what had gone on. The same result would have happened had you deleted text wholesale from the article (or at least if you'd done it without a valid explanation; an edit summary like "Not supported by the source, removing editors' opinions" would have triggered editors like me to check the source, agree with your action, and probably dig further).


 * Speaking as the admin who blocked you, I recommend the following:
 * Review the relevant policies, such as WP:Talk page, WP:Ownership of articles, WP:Reliable sources, Neutral point of view, and WP:Edit summary.
 * Remove the comment you made above mentioning attorneys (you do have the privilege of removing your own talk page comments, especially in situations like this).
 * Select a new name in preparation for a request under the procedures mentioned at WP:Changing username.
 * Indicate, in a comment on this talk page, an improvement you will make to the Save Our State article. Make sure to mention what guideline supports the improvement (e.g. "adding text backed up by a reliable source").


 * While you won't be able to complete the username change request while blocked, if you complete steps 2 and 4, that will be a sufficient demonstration that you understand how Wikipedia works that I will unblock you. —C.Fred (talk) 12:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

(Edited per Fred.)

Hi Fred, new day and apologies. I was simply frustrated. I have spoken to my assistant director and forum moderator and have asked him to read the tech aspects of Wikipedia and perform the edits instead of me. I really have no patience for technical aspects and am better at lobbying and public speaking. Thank you for the second chance.

I would like to definitely refute all the false information tying Save Our State to nazi organizations. Simply not a fact at all and the photo someone added is not even from one of our events and none of our members are in that photo. The fact is I work very closely with Choose Black America and Latino Americans for Immigration Reform.

Also would like to add the correct history and events we have completed.

Fred, thank you again! And sincerely my apologies!! Thank you for removing that Ojai event which was not hosted or organized by Save Our State. In fact not one of our members attended the No More Invasion event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaveOurStateOfficial (talk • contribs)


 * Quick procedural note: if you end a talk page comment you make with ~ , the system will automatically substitute in a "signature" showing your name and the time/date of the comment.


 * I've noted that you removed the legal threat from above. Thank you for doing so.
 * As the username policy notes, any given account on Wikipedia should correspond to one person. Accounts should not be shared. That said, your assistant director is welcome to create an account for himself. Effectively, the same caveats I gave to you apply to him, especially treading carefully around the Save Our State article, making sure to use edit summaries, etc.
 * Finally—and it may be a double-edged sword here—remember that sometimes the content of a Wikipedia article is not so much what is true as what is verifiable. That policy may limit the amount of "good" information that can go into an article, but it also puts the same restrictions on "bad" information. The key is to make sure that information can be traced back to independent reliable sources: news stories and other writings from reporters, web articles, magazine articles, books, etc. Self-published sources should be used only in limited situations.
 * Finally, and with the caveat that you change username before continuing to edit,


 * And to twist an old Exxon slogan, edit friendly! —C.Fred (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)