User talk:Sbaio/Archive 2014

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Monster Magnet and heavy metal
Regarding your recent revert, I (not to mention the band itself) personally agree with you that Monster Magnet isn't a heavy metal band, but it seems that reliable sources and established consensus here on Wikipedia do not. That is, the band is often categorized as a heavy metal band by music retailers and the music industry press. Indeed, most news coverage of this band (not to mention coverage of the album in question) comes from heavy metal magazines. And here on Wikipedia Monster Magnet albums appear in other lists of heavy metal albums. I think that in order for your reversion to stand we'd need to establish a new community consensus here. Psychonaut (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Those magazines aren't "metal only". For example, Blabbermouth.net or Loudwire. They write news about metal and rock artists, but their main subject is metal-related music. That doesn't automatically make every band there a "metal" band. Now does it? If they write something about ZZ Top or Journey and someone is willing to add them to 2014 in heavy metal music or some other "xxxx in heavy metal music" page, I'm just going to delete it. Or we could find a compromise and let people add these kind of artists to 2014 in heavy metal music page, but make a strong claim so people would abstain from adding such bands to 2015 in heavy metal music and newer pages concerning metal music.—Sabbatino (talk) 08:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that coverage in heavy metal press doesn't automatically make a band a heavy metal band; I was just offering this as one explanation for the widespread (but IMHO mistaken) belief that Monster Magnet is a heavy metal band. But there's no point in keeping the band off individual heavy metal lists on Wikipedia; this is something which needs to be implemented across the board or not at all.  Otherwise we end up with strange and glaring inconsistencies, such as their appearance in about a dozen of the previous "[Year] in heavy metal music" lists but not on 2014 in heavy metal music, etc.  Since removing Monster Magnet from these lists and other heavy metal–themed articles would affect a large number of pages, would you be interested in starting an RFC to establish a new community consensus? —Psychonaut (talk) 08:51, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't really have time to start any RFC at this time. You can start it if you want.—Sabbatino (talk) 09:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, then. I don't have time either so I'll just restore the edit for now in line with the prior consensus. —Psychonaut (talk) 11:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sabbatino. I see that you've reverted the edit again, this time with the rationale that the entry is unsourced. However, you seem content with leaving over a dozen similarly unsourced entries in the list. I understand that you disagree with the band's widely accepted genre classification here, but selective enforcement of our content guidelines isn't a particularly good way of addressing the problem. I've re-added the entry, this time with reliable sources supporting both the album release and the genre. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:47, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

2014 in heavy metal music
Hey Sabbatino,

Thanks for your reflections on my edits, much appreciated. I know Devilment is not on Wiki yet, but it is a band fronted by Dani Filth, so I am quite sure it will be picked up as soon as their career or catalogue becomes a bit more substantial. And I don;t think someone will bother to edit this particular list again when building the new Wiki for Devilment. So I did that as an encouragement to anyone who could gather the info to show objective readers they belong here. But I am receptive to arguments. Cheers, --Ravahe (talk) 08:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I always remove content which is not on Wikipedia. That content can be added again, once a page for that band or something else gets created on Wikipedia.—Sabbatino (talk) 14:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)