User talk:Sc7n2T4v6

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Edit warring: Angle trisection
For: MuZemike

Thank you for providing a cool-off period to resolve this problem. I am writing because your approach, although being fast, however, leaves three stones unturned:

1) It does not accommodate for a "speedy deletion" of information last placed under the seventh heading entitled By infinite repetition of bisection located on the following webpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisection, though, which remains in violation of United States copyright TXu 636 519.  This is because reported users last deleted my corrections/updates and still refused to acknowledge a potential COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT after being notified of the details of such.

2) It provides those users with the added advantage of maintaining their work while deleting mine, when all I attempted to do in the first place was work amiably from the start. These people deleted my information right from the start; while I initially permitted their information to remain despite its potential for copyright infringement.

3) It does not address the copyright violation itself; thereby opening up the door for the same type of negligent action by those users once the cool-off period terminates.

As such, I believe it may be necessary for you to refer this complaint to a Wikipedia Copyright Specialist for his review.

Thank you.

WIKI-1-PIDEA (talk) 23:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Your claim of a copyright in an idea is invalid: (1) ideas cannot be copyrighted; (2) this notion of using repeated bisection to approach the trisection in the limit is immediately obvious to anyone with a modest ability in mathematics. JRSpriggs (talk) 04:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

RESPONSE....

I am most certainly not claiming a copyright for an idea sir-- That allegation is preposterous. What I have made available is an APPROACH for trisection. The 1995 copyright represents the first time on official record that "negative factor" geometric progression represents a true analogous solution to the trisection problem. And that, most certainly IS NOT OBVIOUS! Prior to that research, the statement that iterative trisection could solve the problem was not sufficient because means for incorporating direction had to be determined. So, in conclusion -- before an APPROACH is determined, no one can make a statement as to the results. The real factor here is that what is presented on Wikipedia's seventh heading on the trisection webpage was just added today an IS IN VIOLATION TO THAT COPYRIGHT....


 * It is not only the ideas which can not be copyrighted. In mathematics, methods, theorems, proofs, algorithms, ... can not be copyrighted. In our case a copyright violation may occur only if a part of your text would be copied verbatim. This is not the case. Thus there is no copyright violation. If you want to protect your method, there is one method and only one: to publish it in a peer reviewed scientific journal. However, I doubt that your result would be considered as new by the reviewers, and, in my opinion, your article will be rejected. D.Lazard (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Again, I appreciate your communication.

However, I do disagree :

You see, there is direct infringement on that copyright. The idea of repetitive bisection needs an approach in order to be connected with trisection. That seventh heading is the only visible information on the whole world wide web which attempts to connect the two and is a copyright infringement.... I attempted to mollify the situation and retain other potentially related information under that heading. But, as you can see, that simply deteriorated into some sort of Edit Warring enterprise....

Angle trisection
The material you are adding degrades the quality of the section (your material is less clear both mathematically and grammatically and suffers from strange and unhelpful formatting) and is an obvious and bizarre attempt at self-promotion. Knock it off. --Joel B. Lewis (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Please STOP your edit war. If not, you will be blocked to edit. If the copyright violation you mention in your edit summary is real, you have expalin it in the talk page. D.Lazard (talk) 18:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've read the page which apparently contains copyrighted material, and there's nothing in there that merits it. I worked out exactly the same construction when I was six. It would be more profitable if you were to find an improved way of squaring the circle - you'd get far more respect if you were to achieve that. --Matt Westwood 19:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

RESPONSE

Well, thank you for finally opening up a line of communication on this subject -- that is refreshing.

A couple of comments:

1) First, It's not up to you to make determination on what information may obtain a copyright. That decision is left for the United States copyright office.  And, in 1995 they determined that such information, as was presented, DID merit a U.S. copyright.

2) Since you're now in grad. school and you could have worked out a solution when you were six years old -- that's about when the copyright was awarded. So, you had your chance but failed to use it.

3) Have you yet reviewed the proof I referenced to you?


 * FYI I graduated 30 years ago. I have not referenced the proof, I printed it out and wiped myself with it. As for the US copyright law, it's worth even less than that. --Matt Westwood 19:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

A couple of notes
Please read these; they will help prevent you from being blocked from editing here. Thank you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The idea that the current wording of that section of angle trisection is a copyright violation, and that your version somehow fixed it, is bizarre. You do not have a solid rationale for your version.
 * Please do not revert anyone on that page anymore, or I will block you from editing. You are edit warring, and have significantly exceeded the three revert rule.
 * Please be careful how you word things; your post at WP:ANI could be interpreted as a legal threat, even if that was not your intention.
 * You can't copyright an idea. Especially one that existed long before 1995.
 * Please don't source anything else to www.truescans.com. It is not a reliable source.


 * I saw your comments at the top of this page, and am concerned that you don't plan on changing your ways here. So I just want to make sure I've been crystal clear: If you resume any of these things again once your block expires, I'll block you indefinitely. Furthermore, I note that in the past, you've used Special:Contributions/WIKI-1-PIDEA, Special:Contributions/66.91.237.221, and Special:Contributions/Ronready2go to add the same material to various articles. This is against our policy of sockpuppetry, and will also result in a block if it continues. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

"Thank you for providing a cool-off period to resolve this problem. I am writing because your approach, although being fast, however, leaves three stones unturned:

1) It does not accommodate for a "speedy deletion" of information last placed under the seventh heading entitled By infinite repetition of bisection located on the following webpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisection, though, which remains in violation of United States copyright TXu 636 519. This is because reported users last deleted my corrections/updates and still refused to acknowledge a potential COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT after being notified of the details of such.

2) It provides those users with the added advantage of maintaining their work while deleting mine, when all I attempted to do in the first place was work amiably from the start. These people deleted my information right from the start; while I initially permitted their information to remain despite its potential for copyright infringement.

3) It does not address the copyright violation itself; thereby opening up the door for the same type of negligent action by those users once the cool-off period terminates.

As such, I believe it may be necessary for you to refer this complaint to a Wikipedia Copyright Specialist for his review.

Thank you.

WIKI-1-PIDEA (talk) 23:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)"

Now, there is a new creator who has added information to the seventh heading of Wikipedia's "Trisection" webpage - entitled, By infinite repetition of bisection. This also offers a direct line copyright infringement by the phrase "1/3 = 1/2-1/4+1/8-1/16+.." (ref. truescans.com/trisection.htm). Lastly, the other user who was blocked apologized for his inappropriate actions, thereby confessing responsibility for the block in the first place. WIKI-1-PIDEA (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * decline=You are blocked for edit warring. This request does not address the reason for your block. --jpgordon:==( o ) 16:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)}}


 * Firstly there is no copyright on mathematical methods, nor even patents or trademarks or anything else. And I don't think anyone has copied anybodys words there.
 * Secondly angle trisection by repeated bisection does not satisfy the constraints of straightedge and compass construction.
 * And thirdly and perhaps you might take this on board, loads of people have done this before. For instance on page 140 of 'Excursions in Geometry' by C Stanley Ogilby from 1969 which by my reckoning is before 1995. And well before that there's page 64 in Gradations in Euclid by Henry Green in 1858. And I'm sure there's even earlier. Now could you please stop edit warring trying to stick your stuff into the article thanks.Dmcq (talk) 19:08, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for not being able to edit collaboratively, posting inappropriate material after being told it was inappropriate, disruptive editing. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC) I don't know how to say this politely, but your responses here and on my talk page simply don't make any sense; you're repeating the same odd statements that you have been making since this started. Since you also re-posted the material to the article after many people explained why it was not appropriate, I have blocked you indefinitely to prevent further disruption. You might be able to be unblocked if you can use the unblock template to convince another admin that you are going to be able to follow our rules. Noting your past history of using multiple accounts, I also want to remind you that using another account to continue this editing will result in more reverts and blocks, without the chance to be unblocked. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * RESPONSE....
 * By first being made clearly aware of the facts which govern this case, then by ignoring my questions, and lastly by blocking me in rebuttal, I am sure you understand that you have only served to abet a previously claimed copyright infringement -- Obviously, this now extends my copyright concerns to Wikipedia itself!


 * So, I guess we'll just have to follow through with this your way -- the difficult way!


 * So, for starters, since the ball is clearly in my court, from the nature of your feedback, which I've recorded, it appears necessary that my input needs to be interpreted to you by others so that you begin to gain a very clear understanding of its implications. I guess I'll just have to go through a medium which your "block" doesn't accommodate


 * I've read through all this, and I'm afraid this makes little sense. Ignore the rest of the problems here: could you please be very specific on why you feel there is a copyright violation on the page as it exists? I do not see any repetition of text; are you claiming some kind of "trade secret" which prevents discussion of the methodology described?  Kuru   (talk)  02:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, this request is very confusing, but for some background you might want to see AN/I, User talk:Floquenbeam and Angle trisection. This editor has large amounts of text about their complaint, but as far as anyone can tell, there is no clear, concise explanation of what they feel is a copyright violation. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 12:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed|1=The block no longer is necessary because I understand that I did not edit collaboratively. I will not do it again, and will make productive contributions instead.

{{unblock reviewed |1= The block no longer is necessary because I understand that I did not edit collaboratively. I will not do it again, and will make productive contributions instead. |decline = I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
 * the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
 * the block is no longer necessary because you
 * understand what you have been blocked for,
 * will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
 * will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2021 (UTC)}}

{{unblock reviewed |1= I understand that great strides can be achieved when people work constructively with one another. Conversely, an argumentative approach which remains unchecked very easily could gain the potential to erode such progress. As a safeguard, Wikipedia administrators do a very good job at monitoring situations in order to mitigate intrusive attempts which might tend to obstruct. Since Wikipedia's base of contributors constitutes one of the largest of its kind ever have been assembled, it remains very important to preserve such type of harmony within the organization. As such, in keeping with the objective of maintaining an accord within the Wikipedia organization, I welcome the opportunity to again contribute after so long an absence; whereby if I were now to become unblocked, I would remain committed to assuring that a productive synergy continues in effect, and that any unwanted outbursts no longer would take place. |decline = You have again not addressed the reasons for your block. Please describe how your editing was non constructive and how you would instead edit constructively. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 17:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)}} {{unblock reviewed|decline=Only one open unblock request at a time, please. You may ask questions without using the {{tlx|unblock}} formatting. !ɘM γɿɘυϘ ⅃ϘƧ  23:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)|1=I just found out that Wikipedia's website address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sc7n2T4v6 indicates that I do not have a user page. Therein, any attempt to create one can't be achieved, given the reason that I am blocked. So, with that said, how can this page even exist? Is that the reason why I received no response to my request to unblock (see above)? }}

I just found out that Wikipedia's website address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sc7n2T4v6 indicates that I do not have a user page. Therein, any attempt to create one can't be achieved, given the reason that I am blocked. So, with that said, how can this page even exist? In other words, is that page in conflict with this page, and is that the reason why I received no response to my request to unblock (ref. above outstanding unblock request); or is it simply that your response takes time to evaluate?

{{unblock reviewed |1= During early 2012, I wrongly adopted an offensive, argumentative tone. As a result, my insensitivity towards the viewpoints of others contributed to the escalation of a series of rather divisive discussions. Such incident furthermore became exacerbated by my not sticking to straightforward, uncontroversial facts; thereby eventually warranting the involvement of Wikipedia administrators who had to spend their valuable time in order to sort things out. During such episode, I also failed to provide input from a single IP address. In order to rectify, I no longer shall be a party to so-called “edit warring” or “sockpuppetry” activities; nor shall I fabricate any criticisms which potentially might prove to be damaging to either Wikipedia or its contributors. Information which I intend to provide shall be factual, as well as original; thereby minimizing the chance to cause duress in the future. I also shall conduct myself in a manner so as not to instigate any new petty arguments which might tend to involve Wikipedia administrators; thereby drawing away from the precious time which they need in order to attend to more serious matters. |decline = Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
 * the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
 * the block is no longer necessary because you
 * understand what you have been blocked for,
 * will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
 * will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)}}

{{unblock reviewed |1=This block no longer is necessary because I understand that I was blocked for: (1) Belaboring mathematical discussions; (2) Behaving in a manner which could be construed to be insensitive to the viewpoints of others; and (3) Providing edits from more than a single IP source. Furthermore, if unblocked on Wikipedia, you have my assurance that I no longer would engage in any of such types of activities; instead only partaking in factual, productive contributions. Additionally, I apologize for any inconvenience that I may have caused during these events. |accept = See the comments below from me and Floquenbeam. It is not at all clear to me from your latest unblock request whether you really do understand why you became blocked, but I am willing to give you a chance. However, please bear in mind that any return of the kinds of problems that occurred before is likely to result in a restoration of the block, with a much lower chance of ever being unblocked again, so you need to be careful. In view of previous problems don't edit again about trisection, and I recommend keeping away from mathematics and anything related to copyright altogether. JBW (talk) 20:50, 22 August 2021 (UTC)}}


 * {{Ping|Floquenbeam}} This is your block, though it dates from over nine years ago, so I won't be surprised if you no longer either remember it or care about it. However, any comment you would like to make will be welcome. My thoughts on this are as follows. On the one hand, the editor has accepted the behavioural problems which led both to the block and to several declines of block requests. On the other hand, I am not sure that unblocking would be useful, as there seem to be serious failures to understand, both in connection with what can and can't be subject to copyright and in connection with mathematical ideas. However, in nine years people can change considerably, and my inclination is to give the editor another chance, on the understanding that continuation of similar problems would lead to reblocking, though of course all concerned would hope that wouldn't be necessary. Any thoughts? JBW (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * {{ping|JBW}} Thanks for the ping, I wasn't aware they had requested an unblock multiple times recently. Yes, this situation is a kind of purgatory, and we should deal with it one way or another. The problem is, this should go one of two ways:
 * Unblocking makes sense if they were a kid 9 years ago. Kids grow up.
 * Unblocking doesn't really make sense if they were an adult 9 years ago, relentlessly focused on a seriously non-mainstream idea.
 * Their edits from back then make me think they weren't a kid. At the risk of being too direct, they seriously believed they had copyrighted a specific approach to trisecting an angle that had been around for a long time.  They would not listen to other people.  They had a difficult time being clear about what they were talking about.  They treated everyone as an enemy dumber than them.  It has been my experience that adults don't grow out of this approach.
 * However, since I might be wrong, I am more than happy to defer to you. If you think it's worth a shot, I'd suggest a topic ban from trisecting an angle.  And a short leash; returning to previous behaviors should be dealt with promptly, perhaps with one final warning and then an indef block with talk page access removed.
 * If you decide not to unblock, I think it might be a kindness to remove talk page access, to prevent further unblock requests. But again, I am happy to defer to you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Galerie Universelle
The article Galerie Universelle, which you created, is not suitable in its present form, for at least the following reasons. In its present state the article might well be deleted. However, in order to give it a chance of avoiding deletion, I have moved it to Draft:Galerie Universelle. You may like to edit it there, to make it suitable to be an article. If you do so, I strongly recommend that when you have done so you submit it as an article for deletion, so that it can be reviewed by an experienced reviewer, rather than moving it back to mainspace yourself, to reduce the risk of moving it back only to see it deleted.
 * 1) It is written as a personal essay or reflection, with comments from the author, whereas Wikipedia articles should be written in a neutral, dispassionate, way, without expressing any kind of opinions or judgments. For example, "Perhaps the most appealing quality..." expresses a judgment as to what is "appealing", and likewise "such signature series stands as a testament to the history of the time" expresses a judgment or opinion.
 * 2) The content of the article is not supported by references to reliable sources. The one cited source is about portraits of Van Dyke, and although it mentions Galerie Universelle, it does so only passingly, and does not support any significant amount of the content of the Wikipedia article. In fact, all that it tells us about Galerie Universelle is that it "appears to be a portrait series, but was not published as a book", and that it included a portrait of Van Dyke.

Although you have had an account for almost ten years, the amount of editing you have done is fairly small, and my advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. JBW (talk) 15:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

With regards to your recommendation to withhold comments which could be considered to be personally reflective, I removed them from my input.

As to your concern about my need to become more experienced before submitting my own articles, I weighed that against the fact that I now am way past retirement age; and thought that by keeping my input objective, concise, and supporting it with references to reliable sources, I might be able to use the little time which I have left to create memorable articles; especially in light of the fact that I appreciate receiving your guidance on such matters.

AfC notification: Draft:Galerie Universelle has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Galerie Universelle. Thanks! Hoary (talk) 09:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary for the heads up. Rather than correct the faulty reference, it was better to delete it instead because the association of Ducarme's St. Jean to Da Vinci's also appears right on the linked scan itself.

Nomination of Antoine Bara Blaisot for deletion
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Vexations (talk) 12:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Galerie Universelle (May 29)
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Cerebellum (talk) 10:50, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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