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Cites
Hi Scarce, please don't add citation templates if the ref is already well formulated. Use of the templates can be contentious. See WP:CITE. Cheers, SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 08:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films June 2009 Newsletter
The June 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 08:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you leave your name here, I can deliver the whole newsletter (see the talk pages of the other editors listed there to see what it would look like). Let me know if you have any questions. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 08:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Userboxes
Userboxes generally start "This user", rather than the user's name. Your box here shows the reason why - if the user stores the box on a subpage (as many people do), it doesn't draw up their name properly. Perhaps you'd consider reformatting your userbox to "This user" for consistency and suchlike? Happy editing! Greg Tyler (t &bull; c) 09:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Whilst it works on yours, if you go another subpage deeper, it'll stop working. And there's the consistency thing. But it's your userbox and your call entirely, I was just informing. Greg Tyler (t &bull; c</b>) 09:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Nightmare
Missed one of your posts. Yes, the second link you provided is just a link to New Line's promotional department on their website. It's unlikely that will be updated with anything remake related until it is time to release the remake on DVD.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Signature
Hi there. I am concerned about your signature; it's prone to causing confusion among new users, as evidenced here. Please consider changing it to something more straightforward, preferably with standard "talk"- and "contributions"-style labels, but if not that, at least something that doesn't include a sentence that can be easily interpreted as an accusation. -kotra (talk) 17:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of of Category:TV related templates
A tag has been placed on Category:TV related templates, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

This recently created (2 weeks ago), empty category duplicates the well-populated and organised Category:Television templates.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. thisisace (talk) 20:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:HD
Hi, Scarce. Please don't provide answers like this at the help desk. People come there looking for help and if we give them misleading directions they end up thinking that it is correct (after all it came from the official help desk of wikipedia). I noticed you removed the erroneous part, but if the user had seen it, the damage would already have been done. Best not to give any answer at all if you are not sure. Cheers.  C h a m a l  talk 02:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Signature (continued)
Thanks for understanding. I like your current sig, and the "in progress" one is better too. I didn't know about that quote, but I thought it was probably from something. Thanks again. -kotra (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

AWB Freddy Krueger
Why was a [sic] added in this article? --- Scarce  ||||  Talk  - Contrib. --- 02:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Scarce,
 * Sic means there's an error in the original text. This keeps Wikipedia editors from "correcting" the misspelled quoted text. In this text, there are a number of spelling errors. But we shouldn't be correcting them when quoting them. A [sic] just lets readers know that the error didn't happen on Wikipedia. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester  06:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you the website owner? If it's possible, can you correct the text on the site so we can use the quoted portions without the spelling errors? I'd prefer to use text that makes Mr. Craven look good, and if it's quoted from an audio interview, it's not like he made those typos himself. Firsfron of Ronchester  06:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, but you said you wrote it as you heard it, right? So, did you write the version quoted on that website? If there's another version without the typos, I'd prefer to use that instead. Any ideas? Firsfron of Ronchester  06:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh. I have no problem copying the quoted text, strangely enough. But it appears as though the text here and there are the same. Sadly. I'd prefer to get a correctly-spelled version, if one exists. Firsfron of Ronchester  06:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We can't fix the typos if we use the site as a source. That's what the [sic]s are for. Firsfron of Ronchester  06:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kyle Broflovski
I've approved the article for GA status; I just need you're final decision. Thanks and good luck.  The Flash  {talk} 16:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've already reviewed and approved it; as you were the first nominator the article needs your final say/review.  The Flash  {talk} 01:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good, but I might suggest giving the nominator the ideas for the lacking criteria. Once they meet that and the article is 100% a-okay, I believe it's your job to finish up the final steps declaring it GA, no?  The Flash  {talk} 02:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gah! Just like the above post says...we need to know what aspects of the character you feel are not covered in the article to satisfy your request. Thanky. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 02:46, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No prob. And good.  The Flash  {talk} 04:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of of Death of Michael Jackson/sandbox
Hello there. The reason for the speedy deletion was given as ... "it was created as a mainspace subpage sandbox that was un-discussed"... However this is very curious ... How do you discuss an deleted page. I specifically was started a discussion about this self same article to garner opinions about it. Talk:Death_of_Michael_Jackson It matters not too much one way or the other, the section was absent from the article Death_of_Michael_Jackson. This is not my area ... writing about Michael Jackson. I thought I would let others know of the sources, images and write ups started. But if it is deleted, it cannot even be discussed... and the reason given was that it should be discussed so it is very circular going nowhere and it is also so confusing. But as Michael Jackson is not my subject area I will do nothing more in this regards to see if the Birmingham England Michael Jackson happenstance should be included or not. SriMesh | talk  00:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Freddy Krueger images, again
I have nominated File:Freddy Krueger Fonzies.png and File:New Nightmare Claw.JPG for deletion. You may also be interested in a discussion I have started here. Finally, please lose the "troll" message. The edit notice should not be some cabinet for you to display your personal pet peeves. The guidelines are that you may remove messages from your own talk page- not that you can show off to everyone about how you're ignoring someone. J Milburn (talk) 11:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My God, there was no attack in my message, and paranoia about personal attacks is certainly not something that helps the projects/interactions with other editors. If I've attacked you, you've certainly attacked other editors, in labelling them "trolls". J Milburn (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, what? I don't really care whether you and Bignole have talked in the past. J Milburn (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I do... What's your point? J Milburn (talk) 14:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You cleared the air... By putting a massive notice in your userspace about how he's a troll, and that you will ignore comments by him? Right. I don't really see what you hope to achieve by arguing to the toss here. The comment's been removed, and I would hope that you would have the sense not to ignore comments, just because they come from someone you dislike. J Milburn (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Twice today, you've gone for a "hahah! I win! You suck!" type message- here and here. Not only is it incredible immature, but it makes you look like a fool if/when you are wrong. You need to calm down a little- Wikipedia is not a battleground, we are all here to try and improve the encyclopedia, not win fights against each other. I'm not quite sure how you hope to become an admin with an attitude like that. J Milburn (talk) 16:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm an admin... I have been for a long time, pretty uncontroversially. What are you trying to imply? J Milburn (talk) 16:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Check and mate"? J Milburn (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll assume that was ironic, but be aware that humour doesn't really travel well. You say on your userpage that you're looking for an admin coach- here I am, a fairly prominent and well respected admin, giving you advice, and you're just throwing it back in my face. To repeat- calm down a little, and stop being so confrontational. We're all friends here, let's keep it that way, hmm? J Milburn (talk) 16:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Why did you reinsert vandalism?
You don't appear to be a vandal, so what was up with this edit? Why did you revert my removal of old vandalism?&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so you know I didn't restore vandalism just now, I clicked revert and I forgot to make it present in the difference between revisions page to preview what edit it was, it's should be fixed now though. Thanks --- Scarce  ||||  Talk  - Contrib. --- 21:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Source
I take it you found the "Source: Variety" below the huge picture of Connie? They're link appears broken, but the dates are the same (May 21) for the reports, so it's got to be the same Variety article. It's a likely guess that she's playing Marge, but the we don't know for sure and we don't even know if they are going to keep the name "Marge". The only name their are keeping so far is Freddy and Nancy. Everyone else seems to be getting new names.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reviews
Hi, Scarce. You signed up to assess several articles for Good Article status, and, perhaps due to taking on a lot at once for a new reviewer, the assessments are being discussed at the project page.

Some of the reviews have been open a while now without activity. To finish things up, please would you weigh in again at the discussion linked above to say whether you want to continue as the primary reviewer or are happy to have other editors take over the 5 remaining reviews?

You have pointed out that you studied the criteria, which is great. While some of the criteria like good prose are easier to assess though, the underlying guidelines or policies covered in some of the other criterions can be harder to get to grips with. I see it's already been suggested that you ask a mentor for assistance in future reviewing. Doing so is in no way 'bad'! After my first two reviews I asked one to look over them, to find out if they were okay; I asked a mentor for a 2nd opinion quite recently too, after I'd worked on an article during a review beyond minor copyedits.

Your enthusiasm for reviewing articles nominated for GA is admirable, Scarce. If you plan to take part in reviewing articles in the future though, you should please first make sure that you are familiar with the criteria, plus its associated policies, and how they are applied to the article under review. You can find information on that at RGA (and GNGA). And, asking for help, or just for fresh eyes on something, is always encouraged. Thank you kindly. –Whitehorse1 19:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello, Scarce. It's now been five days and you have not responded here nor as requested on the discussion linked above. You have also not responded to questions on the articles you signed up to review.


 * You have edited daily across the site during that time. While all of us have offline commitments or may do small on-wiki tasks faced with limited time, if you are around, it is important you keep people informed when you agree to a task like reviewing an article they nominated. Because you have not responded and this is unfair on those waiting, I will withdraw your under-review notices on the articles you signed up to assess. This will let a new reviewer take care of them. Please do not sign up to review further articles without making sure you are both familiar with how to apply the criteria and prepared to respond to questions asked in the reviews. Thank you. –Whitehorse1 22:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

July 11,2009
thanks for suggestion now i first search for references then edit & please don't revert shakira awards wikipedia Ashish vats (talk) 13:10, 11July 2009 (UTC)

File:Obatma.JPG
I have nominated the above image for deletion. Twinkle seems to have difficulties notifying you. J Milburn (talk) 11:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I do my best ;) J Milburn (talk) 00:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

tb
I am not an admin but would like to point out that if you are "wanting to become an admin", chances are that the community will never let you be one. I looked at your very first edits and they don't look like coming from a new user; do you have any undisclosed accounts? Another thing:immaturity. The way your userspace is designed gives me an intuition that you may be 12 - 16 year old. --Truth Lover88 (talk) 08:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

A Nightmare on Elm Street
Hello, Scarce. Recently I check the article you write on the Spanish Wikipedia (this one) and I have to fix your translation to make it more comprehensible, though it could be understood by a native reader of Spanish. If you really want to write articles in this language, there's no problem to request my assistance. To do so, just leave a message in my Spanish Wikipedia talk page right away. Cheers, Der Ausländer:   Was willst du mir sagen?  05:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can use some images on Spanish Wikipedia as flags, coats of arms, roundels, smileys; but the signature preferably don't exceed three lines of wikitext. It's not allowed the inclusion of offensive pictures (as nazi symbols, nor the Franco's Spain flag) or images larger than 15px. If you wish, you can add colors to your signature.  Der Ausländer:   Was willst du mir sagen?  17:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates for deletion nomination of Template:Uncyclopedia hint
Template:Uncyclopedia hint has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.  Triplestop  x3  19:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Reviewing Good Article candidates
Hello, I discovered that you reviewed Fireproof (film) on June 19, 2009, though there was no indication of the review on the WP:GAN page. When you review a Good Article, please follow the instructions at the top of the WP:GAN page so other editors know if an article is being reviewed. Additionally, please close any reviews that you start. I'm closing Fireproof because the primary editor never addressed your concerns about the uncited sentences. — Erik (talk • contrib) 20:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Star Trek Portal
Ok, fixed those race images, thanks for pointing me to the right place, didn't realize I could only use commons images. But regarding the ==Headers== for races, I looked at it with and without them, and without them, it looks like crap. Do you have any other ideas, in-between no heading, and the ==heading==? And what's the objection to the ==heading==? Is it against the MOS somewhere? --Des pay re ( talk ) 07:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Medical advice
Hi, Scarce. Regarding this; the medical disclaimer includes articles, help pages and the reference desk. We can't provide a guarantee on the accuracy of any information about illnesses or medicine anywhere on Wikipedia. Cheers. ≈ Chamal  talk 12:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC) ≈ Chamal  talk 12:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Portal and 25/8
The portal looks good (though I'd probably not have the gray background with gray text, kind of hard to read), my only concern is that it's topic is too small. Meaning, you're going to be recycling a lot of information because there just are not that many pages for this topic.

As for 25/8, right now I think it doesn't deserve a page. I would either boldy redirect the page back to Craven's page, or start a merge discussion and see what happens. I would invoke WP:NFF when doing anything, as it clearly states that all future films must have notable productions to warrant a page and this page's production isn't even sourced.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Let me know when you start the discussion. As for the article number, I'm referring to actual topics on the mainspace (see what's at Category:A Nightmare on Elm Street). There are only 19 pages, and at least 3 probably need to be merged. I'm just saying I'm not sure there are enough mainspace topics to warrant a whole portal.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Unless these shows are explicitely stating "Freddy Krueger", we cannot just simply cite the show. There are only a couple of instances that I know of where that is the case (The Simpsons and Robot Chicken). I have no idea about the X-Files thing, or the other. That's why it's just sitting in the section. Without secondary sources most of this stuff will have to go completely, because it's based on original research of people saying "that's Freddy" when the show doesn't actually say it. It's like how a lot of shows will have a guy in a hockey mask. Yes, that's clearly "Jason", but the fact that they don't call him that means we cannot just cite the show and say "someone dress up like Jason", because they could have dressed up like anyone with a hockey mask.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's in the sandbox because I pulled it from the mainspace article a long time ago. Just about everything in the "Popular culture" section I pulled from the mainspace article a long time ago. What about you talking about with the couch gag? I said that The Simpsons and Robot Chicken were the only ones I could think of where it was clearly Freddy Krueger (whether through identical appearance, or identified by name). I never said the cough gag needed secondary source (though, I believe if you go to the Jason article, there is a secondary source attached to it that can be used - see ). What I said was that I have no idea about the X-Files or any of those other shows. If those shows are trying to make an "allusion" to the character, then we need a secondary source, no matter how obvious it is to us fans. If they are flat out identifying the character (by name, or identical appearance - which would be a full outfit and burned face) then we don't.


 * Just a helpful hint, never use Google Web as your search. Use Google News, Google Books, or Google Scholar. Google Web gives you nothing but fan sites and unreliable sources. The other three give you usable sources. When searching, always put any exact terms in quotation marks. If you don't use quotation marks then Google will find any word that even closely resembles the one your looking for, but if you put it in quotation marks then it will search only for that exact term.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * From what I can see at the source, that could be an official logo released by the studio. At least, that is the way the article is presenting it.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In this case, the "A" would need to be dropped. You cannot have two articles back to back ("the" and "A") in a title like that. It should either be "List of characters in the Nightmare on Elm Street series" or "Characters of A Nightmare on Elm Street". To clarify. The series is called the "Nightmare on Elm Street" series. The first film is called "A Nightmare on Elm Street".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

That's up to you if you think it's ready.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
I appreciate the award. :D   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Horror/Krueger task force/Invite
hi there: you want to delete Template:WikiProject Horror/Krueger task force/Invite, but it is transcluded on several user pages. Do you want to take it off all these pages, or just leave a red link, or change the box to say you are no longer invited? Or some other option I did not thin of? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:AN
Please review Administrators' noticeboard/Archive199 do not bring stuff like this to the administrators noticeboard. You can tag the article for cleanup, clean it up yourself, or nominate it for AFD. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Deleted edits
I noticed your comment on an RfA... where you praised a candidate for low deleted edits. Note that those primarily come from tagging articles for deletion, so a low ratio is often viewed as bad, at least, if it's too low. This isn't as important if they don't want to work on deleting articles. Gigs (talk) 03:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Help Desk
Re ...if you aren't going to be helpful when replying then please don't reply at all. (And please get rid of the Newton's cradle and blinking text. It'll give someone a seizure.) Xenon54 (talk) 13:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
There's no point for an infobox on a franchise page like that. Almost everything in the infobox is linked directly to the left. The box would become obscenely long if we included every individual item that was released for the franchise. There are over a dozen books out alone.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  06:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We have a table of contents immediately to the left, which is a link to all the appropriate sections. Those comic pages will be merged to the franchise page here in the future because they are not notable in their own right. The magazine should probably be merged. None of the soundtracks are notable and should merged back to their respective films. The only things that would have links would be the films, and they are in the first section of the article, plus in the nav box at the bottom of the page.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB
I wanted to take a moment to delivery a personal thank you (not "thank spam" :)) for your involvement in my RfA. (It passed 117-2-7 in case you hadn't seen.)  I appreciated both the kind words you said about my accomplishments thus far, and the fact that you declined to support based on some flaws of mine.  I am not perfect, and comments like yours will help me improve.  I will take your mild criticism into consideration as I work to serve the community in my new role.  If you would ever find my assistance as an editor or as an administrator useful, please don't hesitate to ask as I would be glad to help.

Thanks again, ThaddeusB (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)