User talk:Scartol/Archives/2007/December

Donation in a good cause?
Maria and I were wondering if you would be willing to donate $5 or $10 towards a Cervantes pot. We recently discovered that the Spanish wikipedia has FAs on a number of British and American writers and texts, but we have none on any Spanish-language writers or texts. So, we thought maybe a push at the reward board would do the trick. See our discussion here. Awadewit | talk  20:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Emma Goldman
No problem. I was surprised to see that Goldman had written her autobiography in 1901, before many of the events she describes in it. I'd like to help improve the article if I have the time. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You're doing great work with the article. Deadlines at work are keeping me from making any meaningful contributions, but I hope I'll be able to help this weekend. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Harriet Tubman
You're welcome, and congratulations on breezing through FAC! I reverted vandalism on the article a while back, and I'm amazed at the excellent work you've done on it, and how quickly you managed to pull it together. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 21:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Great job on the Tubman article - and an exhaustive amount of research! I just made a few corrections and additions. Let's hope the vandals stay away. Again, thanks for your tremendous effort and fine work. Kate Larson--Kate (talk) 17:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Peer review
Let's try out the volunteer list. ;). I've submitted Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale to Peer review, and I was wondering if you could just give it a quick copyedit? Also, I would greatly appreciate if you could point out ways in which I can improve the content or organization of the article. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 22:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:TFS
Wow! I've been anxious for this event since I started editing the article. I'm so glad its on the page and thanks for pointing it out because I rarely look at the main page, I just type an article in the Mozila navigation bar. I just reverted one edit and I didn't really realize the burden it would be to revert vandalism. At least theres the “undo” button. Thanks for the heads up! Cheers friend! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I've been wanting a semi-protection lock for a while now as you may have seen in previous FAC and peer reviews, but I guess I was too lazy to put it to action. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Just checking in
Things are going pretty well so far-- I check in and see if there are interesting or useful articles to edit and then start whacking-- There is something I would like help with -- I am having trouble figuring out how to add images to the articles-- there was an image in ghe Commons area that I thought would be good to add, and I just couldnt figure out how to add it in. Any help would be greatly appreciated.--Bwthemoose/Talk 15:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting request for Tarkan
hello Scartol, I saw your name on the volunteers list at peer review. I would need some copyediting on Tarkan because I'm not a native English speaker, nor are the previous contributors of the article. Although I'm trained as a teacher of English, there might be mistakes I skipped, or things I don't know properly. :) If you could help, it would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance, --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  14:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  12:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * from the Tarkan talk page I copy my reaction to your suggestions in case you wouldn't see them there:

"Thank you Scartol, I will try to expand it according to your suggestions. Tarkan deluxe is a weblog yes, but it works like a website, just the host is a blog. The person who writes it is sort of an expert of Tarkan things, - and it's not only his writings that are put to reference, he is doing translations from Turkish newspapers. I decided to include these instead of the respective original newspaper articles as they are more understandable for the English reader, and they are properly translated. The blog owner is a barrister in England, and he is careful to give credits to his translations, always giving the original source as well. If you browse through the blog you'll see the quality of the works. Besides, the artciles he had written on Tarkan are fully referenced with respective Turkish sources, and again, it is easier for everyone to read English sources than to figue out Turkish-written newspaper articles. It's difficult to find English sources for Tarkan and that's exactly the reason why Ali Yildirim created tarkandeluxe, to provide reliable, neutral and proper translations / news on the singer. Hope this explains to everyone why we selected his blog as a major source? --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  20:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Greetings from Sunny Florida
Hello, Scartol, we've spoken previously. :) I see that the doctor is not in, as it were, and you're not currently accepting copyediting jobs, but if time and interest are available, would you perhaps take the time to have a look at Emily Dickinson?  I've been working on it rather obsessively for the last couple weeks (mainly because of the Core Contest), but this is my first all inclusive literary article and I feel as if I'm in over my head.  I'm not sure where to go or what to focus on anymore; it's difficult to compare her to other literary articles because so much of her story came after she died.  Because you've had so much experience, and I truly admire your FA work (congrats on Tubman!), I would love it if you had the time to throw some feedback my way.  The only "input" I'm getting at the moment is from disgruntled high school students, I fear.  There's no rush, but I do ultimately want to bring it to GA and then maybe FA one day. Take care, María ( habla con migo ) 18:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thanks! I agree about her quirky manner; she's definitely up there on my top ten "OMG WTH" list of American writers. ;)  I look forward to hearing from you and I'll continue editing in the meantime.  María ( habla  con migo ) 20:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments in Talk:The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Thank you for lending your expertise on the subject of setting. Your comments were very helpful. SharkD (talk) 21:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Emma Goldman changes
Hello there. Thanks for your attention to Emma Goldman, which I'm rewriting to bring to FA status. I reverted the inclusion of "Suddenly" to the blockquote about her first public speaking experiences, since it's not part of the original text. I would also like to undo the change you made to the position of the image of her gravestone; the extra space currently between the end of "Death" and the beginning of "Philosophy" looks rather unsightly to me. I hope this is an agreeable reversion? (I didn't want to make it on my own without discussing it, since – unlike the quote – it's a matter of preference.) Cheers. – Scartol  •  Tok  16:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've now corrected these matters myself. When a sentence is quoted, but does not make sense out of context, words can be substituted or included, but must be placed in parenthesis.  When a sentence is abbreviated, be certain to use three period points to note the cut words.  I've substituted the word "Suddenly" with the abbreviation note.  No further addition is necessary, as the text is understandable out of context.  Alternatively, it could have been written as:

":(Suddenly,) something strange happened...."


 * Again, this addition was unnecessary. Abbreviation will be enough.


 * As for the space added to the end of the Death sub-section: I made this addition because the image of Goldman's grave was conflicting with the Anarchism template, causing bleeding in words in the Anarchism sub-section. As the template has been lowered, this problem is resolved and the space can be removed. I have resolved this myself.


 * I thank you for your consideration and hope you will have ease in future improvements to the article.--Cast (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A few years ago I was travelling from Warsaw to Riga by train, en route to Moscow. The only itinerary I could find included a 7-hour stop, from about 5 p.m. to midnight in Emma's hometown Kaunas.  Everything was closing down and I wanted to save my touristy energy for Riga (which is lovely).  It was a gray little town, at least near the train station.  The only thing open was the movie theater, and so I bought a ticket to the film Enemy at the Gates which had been out for some time, but had only recently been subtitled in Lithuanian.  There was a bit of a mix-up however, and the theater ended up playing Battlefield Earth instead.  Easily the worst movie I've ever seen.  Kaunas always makes me think of that horrid, horrid film. --JayHenry (talk) 23:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you think about taking it up a notch for Emma and including multiple citations in each note? That way the reader can be sure that each fact is supported by several sources is not the whimsical interpretation of one historian. Such a system reinforces the idea that Wikipedia is presenting the "mainstream" interpretation of Emma's life. :) Awadewit | talk  01:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Question for you on the Emma Goldman talk page about the 1917 arrest. Kaldari (talk) 23:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You know, I would like to see a section composed entirely of WP:OR discussing what Goldman's views about Wikipedia likely would have been. --JayHenry (talk) 05:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Peer review request
Hi, Scartol,

I saw your name on the list of volunteer reviewers and wondered if you would be available to look over Jimmy McAleer, a B-class sports biography that I would like to upgrade to GA status. I've asked reviewers to pay close attention to MOS issues. Any recommendations to improve this piece would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, -- twelsht (talk) 06:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, for getting back to me! Whenever you can get to it, your input would be appreciated. Sincerely, -- twelsht (talk) 17:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Emma Goldman
Did you mean to list this at WP:FAC? It's not there :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder if you are jumping the gun on EG's FAC a bit. There still seems to be a bit of discussion on the talk page about refining the language of the text to be as accurate as possible and I guess I thought we were still in the middle of the peer review. Awadewit | talk  01:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot (band)
Over the past week I have dedicated a lot of my free time to restructuring and bettering the article Slipknot (band) which is one of my favourite bands. I requested peer reviews and of which I have kindly received some. I found you on the peer review volunteers page and if you have the free time I was wondering if you could give the article a review/copy-edit as I am not the best writer, as you will probably see. Thanks in advance for any help you might contribute, happy holidays. Oh and could you kindly leave any comments about the article on the peer review page: Peer review/Slipknot (band)/archive4. Rezter (talk) 14:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Emma Goldman
(Copied from my talk page. In Wikipedia Utopia there will be no more guessing which talk page to post replies to ensure proper viewing of remarks.) Actually, while I have you here, there is a minor inconsistency in the Emma Goldman article that you might want to address. You spell Dostoyevsky both with and without the middle 'y'. Naturally, both are valid spellings, but unless I missed a reason for doing it both ways, you might want to stick with one spelling within the article. If so, I'll leave the choice to you to make as primary author. Excellent work you've done there, by the way. -- Michael Devore (talk) 18:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Les Chouans GA review
Scartol, I'm reviewing the Les Chouans article for the GA nomination process and it looks good, but I'm uncertain about any material that came from either the French WP article or from a French language source. There's a note on the Talk page that leads me to believe you translated some source material. Would you clarify this, please? Thanks. Jim Dunning | talk  02:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Jim Dunning | talk  03:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Listed as GA
 * This article is well written and very well sourced. I have concerns that it is primarily the work a sole contributor (you), but it appears to be neutral and balanced. I recommend that additional editors work further on the article before any consideration for FA or A. Well done!

Jim Dunning | talk  03:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The single author aspect is not a major concern, and certainly not a negative criticism (au contrare, in this case). Generally, I think many times articles benefit from collaboration and extra sets of eyes -- like an ongoing peer review! Excellent work. Have a great New Year.

Adoption Program
Please forgive me. I had to go on a spontaneous hiatus. School can really keep you busy. I had to concentrate on multiple projects for AP classes, and this greatly restricted my free time. I'd love to go on with this adoption program, and I'll continue w/ assignment number two. I am heartily sorry for not alerting you about this!!! --Daveroo69 (talk) 20:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello again Scartol! I've added sources and info to the article, in addition to noticing that much of it was plagiarized from another source. If there's anything else I should do to it, please tell me. If not, I'd be willing to move onto another assignment, preferably non-baseball related. Again, please forgive me for the unannounced absence. I'm excited to be back in the Wikipedia community.--Daveroo69 (talk) 03:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Emma Goldman
Hey, love to chip in, wish I could've done more, but you did a great job! Murderbike (talk) 23:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy McAleer
Hi, Scartol,

I requested a review of this sports biography just before the holidays. You recommended that I get back to you after the 25th. Since then, I sent Jimmy McAleer directly to the FAC. I'd very much appreciate your comments and recommendations! Thanks, -- twelsht (talk) 16:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * At this point, there have been more promises of involvement than actual involvement, mainly because of the holidays. So, even a cursory copy edit would be much appreciated. Thanks, again, -- twelsht (talk) 04:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

A fickle food upon a shifting plate
Oh, Emily can wait! She had mixed views about fame and recognition, anyway, so I'm sure she would be waffling about her immortality found in a Wikipedia article. :) Take your time! María ( habla  con migo ) 16:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Madtown and trains
Thanks for the kind words. Editing here gives me another reason to look around and research further into topics that I might not investigate otherwise. There are a few other local wikipedians around, here and on Commons. The only one I can think of off the top of my head, though, is Dhartung in Janesville. There are likely others participating in WikiProject Wisconsin nearby; a wikimeetup would be good some time. The Madison Flickr group, where I am also involved, often meets at the Union Terrace every couple of months for beer and photo chat. The name you mention is not one that rings any bells for me, but these days that doesn't mean as much as it used to. Slambo (Speak) 17:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

FAC notes
Thanks for the encouragement regarding the FAC process, and for taking the time to share your wise words. Your insights about the process all strike me as completely on the mark. I couldn't help but nod while reading! You're right that I shouldn't allow my first FAC experience to prevent me from trying again. There are things going on in my personal life that may delay my next attempt, so in the meantime, I will probably be editing a bit here and there and occasionally trying to be the kind of FAC reviewer that I found helpful as a nominator. --Melty girl (talk) 18:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

J.D. Salinger
I explained where it is "purported" he considered studying special education in the discussion section of the page on him. The reference is a solid one and has been used by at least one of his biographers. So, in fact it is referenced. Arguing about if it is a solid one or not is a seperate issue. Billyblack9 (talk) 16:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)