User talk:Scd123

Managing COI
I have been learning more about Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, and I realize I was hasty in directly editing the page David O. McKay School of Education. I have copied the page to my sandbox and will be working on it from there instead. Scd123 (talk) 16:40, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I will be editing pages directly to keep with generally accepted Wikipedia editing convention; see this conversation. Scd123 (talk) 22:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello and feedback on drafts
Hi Scd123! It looks like you are jumping right in to editing, which is a great way to learn how to edit Wikipedia. New talk page messages on Wikipedia usually go at the bottom a page, so that talk page chronology is from oldest to newest (though having newer posts at the top would make more sense from a user standpoint). On your biography drafts, I recommend that you remove the word "leader" from the lead, since it's a subjective term that others will see as puffery. "Richard Culatta is the CEO of the International Society for Technology in Education (ISTE)" is a fine first sentence. Other than that, your writing is good (not too promotional). I think the pages will be approved in Articles for Creation, but it depends on who reviews the page. If a reviewer fails a page, they will usually give you some feedback about why they failed it. If that happens, you can try to address their concerns and re-submit it.

To bolster notability, use as many independent news sources as you can find. It's okay to use a source written by the subject or the subject's company, but it's best if the majority of sources come from news outlets and the like. I did a Google News search for Richard Culatta and found this article, which you could use on the page. Basically, when I look at a page to see if the subject is notable, I look at the sources to see if there are a few from independent news sources. There should be 2-3 independent sources. On the Joseph South page, I recommend wikilinking to the David O. McKay School of Technology in the sentence about his education. Nice job finding a picture for Richard Culatta! It can sometimes be difficult to find them for living people (fair use images are allowed for dead people who don't have any freely licensed images available).

For your reference style, using in-line citation templates and an ending reflist template like on your Richard Culatta draft is the most standard practice. The referencing style on Joseph South is one I haven't seen before. References don't technically have to be in any style as long as they are consistent within the page and users can tell where the information comes from.

The David O. McKay School of Technology page is tricky because there aren't a lot of independent sources about the college. I think you don't need a separate subsection for each department within the school. I like the table you made in your sandbox--just be sure to reference the information in the table with either an in-line citation in each line, or a sentence before the table stating something like "the information in this table comes from the college website" with the in-line citation right afterwards. If/when your drafts are approved, you can add a "notable alumni" section.

One of my students recently expanded the page for Ernest Wilkinson, who was president of BYU at the time the college was created. One the Wilkinson page it says "the College of Education was forced to relinquish its monopoly on the training of teachers and made to be a college specific to teaching methods." Sounds like there could be some juicy stuff there! It's possible that there isn't more detail available in a form we can cite... you can do some research and see what you can find. If you can find the name of the president of the college back then, you can try searching the name in Google Books to see if they were mentioned in a book somewhere (although many books are not a part of the Google Books database).

Let me know if you have more specific questions and I'd be happy to answer them. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:26, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Rachel Helps. I have been working on the things you suggested. I added a notable alumni section on the David O. McKay School of Education page. It is just a list of names at this point, and I'm not sure if more information would be helpful or too much.


 * Brigham Young University lists the alumni in prose format, with short blurbs on who the people are. It helps if you can group them into a paragraph or two. MOS:EMBED recommends giving some context to your lists, but bulleted lists are also really common on Wikipedia. The college page is much improved! I see that you copied the formatting of the references for the Wilkinson page--that's a different referencing style called "Harvard referencing style" or "shortened footnotes" (See WP:SRF). I know that you're still figuring it all out, and it can be a bit overwhelming. Converting the shortened footnote references back to the citation template style (the style you've been using) will help your citations look consistent. When you've made the page as good as you can, I recommend asking the editor who originally placed the content tags if they believe the content tags still apply after your edits. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph South (June 24)
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Theroadislong (talk) 11:52, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

comment on Joseph South
Hi Scd123, I noticed that Richard Culatta was accepted at articles for creation. Congratulations! Also it looks like the editor who declined Joseph South's page said he doesn't meet notability guidelines yet. It's possible that there aren't enough sources to create a page that meets notability guidelines (it's happened to me before too). I was curious about the software he worked on for the MTC. Was it the Technology Assisted Language Learning (TALL)? It doesn't look like there's much information on TALL (there's this news article). However, if he had helped write a program with good news coverage, you might be able to make a page for the program and mention him on that page. I did a little research and couldn't find something like that though. I'm kind of surprised that there wasn't more news articles about him working at the US Department of Education. The govtech.com site lists "top 30"--any idea if he received the "top 30 technologists transformers and trailblazers" award? That could help with his notability. Even if you don't keep working on the draft, I recommend keeping a copy of the wikicode somewhere (drafts on Wikipedia are deleted after a year or so). There could be more news articles about him in the future that an editor could cite on his page to address notability concerns (though it may be years in the future). Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestions, Rachel Helps (BYU). I'll see what I can find on TALL. Scd123 (talk) 22:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Scd123/sandbox/Education and Law Journal has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Scd123/sandbox/Education and Law Journal. Thanks! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

== Your submission at Articles for creation: Association of Mormon Counselors and Psychotherapists (October 5) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Waggie was:

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Waggie (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Scd123/sandbox/Education and Law Journal


Hello, Scd123. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "sandbox/Education and Law Journal".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 22:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Association of Mormon Counselors and Psychotherapists


Hello, Scd123. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Association of Mormon Counselors and Psychotherapists".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)