User talk:Schwede66/Archive 12

MGA
Never knew that - only just figured that using "MP" was wrong! --LJ Holden 01:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the great thing about Wikipedia. You work on something and somebody else comes along and improves it further. And in the process, you learn something.  Schwede 66  01:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * For sure. The next question is when did MGA fall out of use? At the moment the article is a bit vague by saying "1860s". I wouldn't be surprised if it was linked to the end of the Provincial system - i.e. the General Assembly was made distinct from the provincial assemblies. --LJ Holden 01:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I vaguely remember that I wrote that part (could go back to the article history, I suppose) and had to keep it vague as I couldn't find a definite source. When I write articles that fall into that time, I do a lot of reading of Papers Past, and I think there is a transition areas in the 1860s when both terms were in use. It may well be that somebody decreed that we shall now call them MHRs, it's just that the various journalists didn't all immediately adopt it. End of provincial govt is too late, as the use of MHR had established itself earlier. A big political event in the previous decade was Parliament and the capital shifting from Auckland to Wellington; maybe it was that one.  Schwede 66  01:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Ashley Bank
You can go ahead. Ms. Bank is probably only well known for The Monster Squad. Paul Austin (talk) 05:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

The Beatles Invite
Thanks for the invite, but I was really just fixing up some Birthday Honours lists, and it looked useful to work on the famous four as part of that.  Schwede 66  09:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK
Hello! Your submission of Dog Island Lighthouse at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Philafrenzy (talk) 12:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see new note on DYK nomination template. Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Christchurch maps
Hi Schwede66 -

I've made a handful of maps for you, which are linked here. I haven't made the ones for the Dudley Creek, Styx, or Heathcote yet - the Dudley Creek article isn't written and I'm not sure of the course. My maps don't have enough info the accurately show the Styx, either, and the maps I've found for the Heathcote are different to the information in the article (they show its source above Hoon Hay and no connection with the Yaldhurst-Riccarton stream). Hope these three help, though! Grutness...wha?  12:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks heaps, James. Could you import one of the Dudley Creek files that I sent you by email? If the format works, I would be quite happy to produce the file for the Heathcote and Styx. With respect to Lyttelton Harbour, if I were to email Benchill for a base map that didn't cut the harbour off, I suppose we'd have a slightly better map. I'm aware that Benchill hasn't been active in a couple of years; do you know any background? This is looking great!  Schwede 66  18:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I never got them! If you send them again I'll have a go at it. I don't know Benchill other than by his work here, so I've no idea what the story is with his inactivity. Grutness...wha?  00:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've emailed you again. If something is not working, let me know.  Schwede 66  00:33, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Came through fine this time - thanks! Grutness...wha?  00:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Carter Fountain
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 * CorenSearchBot is correct, as I created the article around the material published with a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 New Zealand License. Does anybody know whether there is a way of indicating when sources have a compatible CC license?  Schwede 66  20:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I've figured out how to do it.  Schwede 66  19:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Dudley Creek map
Here ya go :) Grutness...wha?  06:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but a slight problem (wrong scale). I've sent you an email.  Schwede 66  09:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed (hopefully!) Grutness...wha?  12:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Beautiful. Thanks heaps.  Schwede 66  20:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you've got a similar sort of file as the last one you sent for the Heathcote, I can do that one, too. Grutness...wha?  01:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, will do. I've started with expanding the article to get a better understanding. I've found a good map with all the relevant tributaries. Most of the upstream stuff is actually dry and just carries stormwater, as the springs are mostly in Canterbury Park. I went on an explore yesterday to see what is dry and what has permanent flow, but only got as far as Aidanfield. Will have to do the rest next weekend. I think it would be worthwhile to differentiate on the map between permanent flow and stormwater channels.  Schwede 66  19:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * btw. Good weather and time didn't come in pairs before going overseas. Back 1 September.  Schwede 66  02:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Next New Zealand general election
Thanks for the revert on the Next New Zealand general election article. While it is unlikely that the next election will occur before May, it is still possible! Do you know what the minimum time for a snap election is, six weeks maybe? Mattlore (talk) 21:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We should research that and add it to the article.  Schwede 66  21:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Mayor of Palmerston North
Hi There.

You undid my revision to the Mayor of Palmerston North page. I don't think the stuff about Jono Naylor needs to be there anymore, as he is no longer the current mayor. A new mayor was elected last night, Grant Smith. There's no reason he can't be added to the list of mayors table.

Cheers, Mark Wasley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Wasley (talk • contribs) 22:43, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought that my edit summary gave a detailed enough rationale for the revert, but in case you missed it, here it is again: "I suggest you add to what is already there, and rephrase existing as necessary, rather than a wholesale delete" Obviously, Smith needed to be added to the table, but the important aspect was to first quickly restore the content that you had deleted; I didn't have the time at that stage to go about expanding the article (including the table) myself. As you might have seen, another editor then expanded the article in an appropriate way. I've since restructured the whole article, and it's now in a lot better shape than before.  Schwede 66  17:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

The Fitzgeralds
Hi there. Could it be that Gerard and James are half-brothers? I see Catherine O'Brien his mother was described as the second wife of Gerard Fitzpatrick Snr so it was quite reasonable that James was just described as the youngest son of Gerard Snr and Catherine. In which case if Gerard senior married for a third time, Gerard Fitzgerald Jnr would be younger than James. Do you have / can you point to strong evidence that Gerard and James had the same father though? Tmol42 (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into this. Half-brothers is entirely possible. Not sure whether you've had a look at the DNZB, but if not, here's what it says: "He was the youngest son of Gerald FitzGerald, landowner, of Kilminchy, Queen's County, Ireland, and his second wife, Catherine O'Brien." So if FitzGerald did marry again, this would be explained. Is a list of siblings provided? What was Gerard's mother's name? Yes, they are definitely brothers, as tons of contemporary sources use language like "Gerard George Fitzgerald, the brother of James Edward Fitzgerald, late auditor general".  Schwede  66  20:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have found a baptism record for a Gerard George Fitzgerald baptised 6 Jan 1834 in Walcot, Bath. Father Gerard Fitzgerald and mother Emily Fitzgerald. Does this sound like him? If the right GGF Emily would be a third wife. If of interest(!) guess I need to track down a marriage and a maiden name for you. Saw the DNZB. As James left family home to work at British Museum before 1841 then no census return to find his siblings/ at home with Gerard.Tmol42 (talk) 21:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be him as they were living in Bath at the time, and it also explains why all sources record 1834 as his birth year, when in fact he was born on 10 October 1832. At least, I'm assuming that those who organised his gravestone in the Timaru Cemetery, which does show his birth date, knew what they were doing. What is a good way of showing a baptism certificate as a ref?  Schwede 66  21:32, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The source is Ancestry licenced records from data obtained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from original church records. For citing purposes the record is given as: Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.  To which you need to add the specific data refs which is:- FHL Film Number: 1471170  Reference ID: item 1 p 1439. interesting if WP has a citing template for genealogy sources. If not we should perhaps propose one! Tmol42 (talk) 21:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * PS. Just found a copy of the Will and Probate for GGF. He gave all his estate to neice Geraldine Fitzgerald his brother James' daughter. Interested? Tmol42 (talk) 22:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure. Regarding citation templates, this discussion appears relevant.  Schwede 66  22:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Bear in mind the baptism is a transcription of the original record data not an image of the actual document, whereas the will could be displayed this way. Here's the url for this https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25457-25590-50?cc=1865481 The page appears blank but the doc is hidden above the top margin, just grab page and pull down probate is first then will. There are around 10+ pages in the set.Tmol42 (talk) 22:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I've spent a bit of time putting the Fitzgerald tree together. A couple of discoveries. First I am pretty sure Gerald Fitzgerald's third(?) wife Emily's family name was Gibbons. Clue was their youngest son was baptised in 1840 Henry Gibbons Fitzgerald. I then found a marriage registration for a Gerald Fitzgerald x Emily Gibbons for 9th November 1820. Interestingly, the location was Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire. I have also found that Emily Gibbons was born in Marylebone, Middlesex as was Emily Fitzgerald. Emily dies 23 Oct 1884 in Leckhampton. Second if some citable evidence is needed that James Edward and Gerard George are half brothers then cite 5 - Cambridge Univ alumni record does provide it. Gerard's full brother Lucius H Fitzgerald mentioned there too was a leading barrister in the Inns of Court. There are other background details on the wider family/descendents if you are interested Tmol42 (talk) 22:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC).
 * Quick question. Did Gerard George Fitzgerald really have a second wife? Tmol42 (talk) 00:59, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Now found evidence it was Jane Machie who drowned (the 'Miss Kennedy' looks like journalist error at the time). Found ref to 'Jane Fitzgerald' and FEFs memorial talks of a Jane having drowned. Have amended plus added cites. Also no close or otherwise obvious connection with Archibald Michie, having mapped his tree. Tmol42 (talk) 01:03, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for silence. Great discovery. Yes, I'd generally be interested in anything that is closely enough related to Fitzgerald.  Schwede 66  02:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Diminutives
Hi Schwede66. Are you going to change "Norman Kirk" to "Norm Kirk"? I don't think that would be appropriate. My recollection is that he was only called "Norm" by his friends and followers. My recollection is also that Robert Muldoon was only called "Rob" by his friends and followers (cf. "Rob's Mob" a group of his closest supporters). I think it would be better, and more objective and less offensive, to just name them by their formal first names. Norman for Kirk and Robert for Muldoon.Rick570 (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no intention of moving Norman Kirk. As far as Muldoon is concerned, it would be better if we kept the discussion about him in one place.  Schwede 66  19:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Where is that?Rick570 (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC) My point is that to change Norman to Norm is just as justified as changing Robert to Rob. Rob should be reverted to Robert. Please!Rick570 (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a real secret-squirrel location: Talk:Robert Muldoon :)  Schwede 66  19:53, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

List of Prime Ministers of New Zealand
Hi. Okay, concerning WP:overlink, as stated there, it says as they "are particularly relevant to the topic of the article", which, in this case, linking New Zealand in this particular article, clearly is. The same applies with these links listed below. Notice how these are all lists. Best, --Discographer (talk) 04:16, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
 * Taoiseach
 * List of Prime Ministers of Canada
 * List of Presidents of the United States
 * List of Prime Ministers of Australia

Thanks
Hi Schwede66, I am sorry that I take your helpfulness for granted sometimes. I am very grateful for all the mentoring and help you have provided to me. I am sorry I am a bad student and not as helpful to you in return as I should be.Rick570 (talk) 21:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thanks. Where have I missed out on your help, though?  Schwede 66  21:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You seem to be interested in NZ politics and in upgrading political biographies. I am too. But I am more interested in other things which take up my time!Rick570 (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Publication problem
Hi Schwede66, I can't publish this: User:Rick570/Cathedral of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Hamilton. I would be very grateful if you could tell me why. Thanks and kind regards,Rick570 (talk) 04:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a redirect to Hamilton East, New Zealand at the title you were trying to move it to. I used my admin rights to move it over the top of that redirect.- gadfium 07:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much.Rick570 (talk) 08:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gadfium, for sorting it. Good to have admins watching over things. But why the Hamilton disambiguator?  Schwede 66  08:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Christchurch Cathedral Dean
Have you looked at the article on Lynda Patterson? It clearly says she is the 13th Dean of Christchurch Cathedral, albeit based in the temporary Cardboard Cathedral.Plucas58 (talk) 11:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Patterson's article wasn't on my watchlist, but it is now. I have fixed her article and sourced it.  Schwede 66  17:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Becks
Thanks...I thought I'd forgotten something :) Grutness...wha?  02:29, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the great thing about Wikipedia - it comes with an in-built peer review system. Spent a few days in Otago Central over Easter and will populate Commons with some neat photos. By the way, are you aware that the German Wikipedia has complete listings of NZ heritage buildings that are registered with Heritage New Zealand? I'm slowly populating those lists with photos where those are missing; here's a link to the main Otago list.  Schwede 66  03:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that! I've been adding the odd article or two about the better-known heritage buildings in Dunedin and area every now and again. I should perhaps do a couple more. Grutness...wha?  23:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

URLs
Hi Schwede - hopefully I have got the right idea. Can you check City of Dunedin (ship) and let me know when you get the chance. NealeFamily (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Clifton
Hi Schwede - while you were making this edit, I was writing a tiny stub on Clifton, Southland :) Grutness...wha?  01:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In fact, that very thought that you might be working on an article briefly went through my mind and I should have gone with my intuition.  Schwede 66  03:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

NZ general election 1975
Hi Schwede: Re the NZ general election articles; the Waitakere electorate was replaced by Henderson (with Martyn Finlay as MP) for 1969, 1972 & 1975 (see Norton pages 375 & 376). Hence I have removed the references to Waitakere in the article on the 1975 general election,. Hugo999 (talk) 02:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Barrhill, New Zealand
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A kitten for you!
Thanks heaps for jumping in on the Darcy Nicholas article! I was working with a dodgy internet connection so had to keep adding info in small chunks - guess someone read an early version and was unimpressed :(

Auchmill (talk) 05:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC) 
 * Do you know how to write articles in your userspace? That's a safer way to go about it when notability of early versions isn't obvious.  Schwede 66  05:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Ages of politicians
Hi Schwede – two politicians, Ian James Brooks and Brian MacDonell now have birthdates, so you can work out their exact age on New Zealand House of Representatives. And I found a birth year for Elizabeth Tennet in the list of MPs in the NZ 1990 Year Book. PS: Long-serving Labour MPs: Warren Freer 47-81, Ritchie Macdonald 46-69, Martyn Finlay 46-49 & 63-69. Hugo999 (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)