User talk:Scomart

September 2016
Hello, I'm Yintan. I noticed that you made a change to an article, USS De Haven (DD-727), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.  Yinta n  12:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I realize that the De Haven article is mostly copied and attributed to public domain DANFS, but you can't just copy http://ussdehaven.org/history_detail.htm#vietnam and put it in there. It's not a public domain source. Please try to reword it. --Dual Freq (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

True it is not a public domain source. I own the website.Scott Martin (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Assuming that is true, since it is still labeled copyrighted on the page, that doesn't remove the self-published / original research issues. Cite whatever reliable source you used to create the page (beyond personal knowledge) and reword it. It is an issue since anyone can create a website and then claim it as a reliable source. --Dual Freq (talk) 14:01, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Much of what is published on the website is a compilation of researched material and personal first hand experience. We have many pages of information on Vietnam including actual decklogs that back up most of the incidents referenced. What is referenced from the website is a thumbnail of some of that material. Obviously this does not meet your criteria. There are nearly twenty years of service of the USS DeHaven missing in the article which makes it an incomplete source. Our intention was to try and fill that gap. There are other references in the article from our website. I'm at a loss as why these two paragraphs aren't acceptable. Would it be appropriate for me to include an external link to our website? Scott Martin (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Cite verifiable reliable sources. "Articles should rely on secondary sources whenever possible". I think it's probably fine to cite RADM Montgomery as published on your website as a reliable source there. However, that does not mean all materials there are reliable and certainly doesn't grant permission for people to copy and paste from there. --Dual Freq (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)