User talk:ScottDavis/Archive 4

Pará cities
Hi ScottDavis, the cities from Pará State were disambiguated with cities of Portugal (their homonymous), as there is not cities in Brazil homonymous to these, there is no need to disambiguate them at level of state. Thanks Berton 14:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Berton, according to the City naming conventions for Brazil, "When there's ambiguity, the convention used is City, State ." This is the change I made to several articles after splitting the two different cities that were both in Óbidos, moving the Brazilian one to Óbidos, Pará. As I was checking to sort out any links to attempt to ensure they pointed to the right article, I found the page List of cities in Brazil. In the section that I needed to edit anyway, I noticed a number of red links to cities of the form City, Brazil . I changed these to City, Pará in accordance with the guideline and ensured there were no other links to the Brazil form.


 * As I know little about Brazil, I am unlikely to find myself regularly editing in that area, and apologise if I have misunderstood a guideline. I did enjoy reading about your country, and might wish to visit one day. Australian town articles on Wikipedia are always qualified with a state name, even if they do not need it. This provides the benefit to editors who do not need to check the name form for a town when making a link to it and to readers that there is additional information in the link (even though they are often piped to show only the town name, the target article name shows in the browser tooltip). To assist readers and searchers, we always ensure that the unqualified town name is either a redirect or a disambig page. This system has worked quite well for us. Only some Australian state capitals are excluded from having a state in their article title. --Scott Davis Talk 00:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

RE:Fejes postcards
That was a blind revert. I meant to re-add the pictures at the bottom only. Sorry. I have reinstated your edit. Antidote

Page moves
Hi Scott! Thanks for your help in moving the pages. Nice work you've done on the Tongan articles. I will be sure to add more when I can. Makutu 19:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Cole
Thanks for tidying up Albatross2147 10:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

It's quite keeping up a NPOV after reading the transcripts and falling all over the floor laughing at the stupid cupidity of the witnesses. I thought the HIH guys were dumb and the NSW Police RC people were dumber but this lot of witness or should that be witlessnesses are the dumbest. Can you ride shot gun on this?

John Hindmarsh article
Yes, I'm actually glad you caught that. I was showing someone that you shouldn't always trust Wikipedia because it is easy for people to make up stuff (then I of course deleted it). I guess stuff like that is caught quicker than one might imagine. Good job! --Catquas 15:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I'm sorry I made you think that. I'm just trying to get rid of distractions in my life and focus on work and other stuff that matters more. --Catquas 21:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Yallourn Power Station
Thanks for removing it from the Hydro Powerplant category... I don't now why i put it in there... :-) Fosnez 14:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably sorting a whole bunch using a pattern like "river", and didn't notice the diversion in that article was to make way for the coal mine. No harm done. --Scott Davis Talk 06:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

West Coast Wilderness Railway
Thanks v much for cleanup, but am mystified by it becoming an orphan - how come no cat or stub? I am not officially around for weeks as I am moving house, but lurk very occasionally, and would have thought cat tas geography, and cat australian rail would have been obvious... :0 trust all is well in your neck of the woods. SatuSuro 08:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC) aka vcxlor.


 * Oops. I deliberately removed the stub tag as it seemed long enough, and simply didn't notice the article had no categories. It has some now - thanks for noticing. BTW Why the alias? --Scott Davis Talk 08:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Personal, complex issues. Related to new beginnings, shifting, leaving some things behind - it's the javanese new years day, older javanese go nowhere on satu suro, similar to balinese nyepi.SatuSuro 10:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Dubai ports deal
Hi, Scott. Thanks for wading into the mess at Dubai Ports World controversy.

And, may I say, this is the single best edit anyone has yet made to the article? :-) --Uncle Ed 13:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the encouragement. Unfortunately I don't know where to look for the info I requested on the talk page. Most of my changes were simply clarifying the things I had to look up to understand the article as a reader who had only heard bits of the story (did I disambiguate Newark correctly?). It's an interesting test of free trade and racism, as presumably most of the people actually doing the work will be the same Americans who were doing it while P&O ran the ports. P&O Ports operate a number of facilities in Australia too, but this change of ownership has not been significantly mentioned here that I've heard. --Scott Davis Talk 14:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

AQjosh -- Harbour Town Article
Ummm ... that was the first time i've edited an article ... added to it in-fact ... and you deleted it ... why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.182.108.192 (talk • contribs)


 * I rolled back your changes primarily because they did not fit with the article as it stood. The Harbour town article is about the "retail concept" or the chain, not about one individual centre.


 * If you look at other articles, you will also notice that the categories and stub notices (if short and incomplete) always stay at the bottom, and the text should be wikilinked, and written in a factual not creative style (eg instead of "...amid the glitz and glamour of Australia's own Gold Coast", try "...on Australia's Gold Coast"). Sorry if I was too abrupt and didn't explain initially. I should have. --Scott Davis Talk 12:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Alphax's RFA
In order to achieve adminship a candidate should be able to claim a 75-80% support ratio against both oppose and neutral votes. Even if neutrals were taken into account in favour of supporting the candidate, Alphax still only came in just under the ceiling amount required to receive a promotion, however neutral votes are not saying that the respondent supports the adminship nomination; if they did that they would write "support". -- Francs2000 12:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Heidi Choat
Hi Scott! Thank you for your recent comment on the AfD discussion page for this article at Articles_for_deletion/Heidi_Choat, advocating that the article be kept on Wikipedia. Your time and interest is much appreciated. The outcome of the discussion was that AfD tag was removed and the article was kept, so thank you for your part in assisting this outcome! I note that the admin who reviewed the article and removed the tag has replaced it with a 'not verified' tag. I have read Verifiability, and although there is only one main newspaper article available as a source for my Wikipedia article, that Wikipedia policy definitely allows for an article based on one reliable source, providing a newspaper article as a specific example of this. I am wondering if you would mind reviewing this and, if you agree (and if someone has not already done so), perhaps please removing the tag, maybe citing Verifiability in the Edit Summary note? If you would prefer not to be involved, I understand of course! Thank you so much once again... Tiffany. --SilverWings 21:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism - Australia
Hi Scott. Thanks for the heads up. Sometimes, the software seems unable to take in everything that's happening at the same time. I've had this occur before, when more than 1 user tries to revert the same vandal edit at the same time, and there's a further act of vandalism (or legitimate edit) occurring simultaneously. What mystifies me is how come the system didn't identify the "yo yo" user at all. Rather than my legitimate revert just being overridden by the other editor, I got lumbered with someone else's vandalism. As far as the world is concerned, I was the perpetrator, and it's only my word against Wikipedia's that this is simply not true. It's not a huge practical issue, because the text gets corrected very quickly. But it is a very big issue of principle - I just don't vandalise, period. JackofOz 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject V8 Supercars
Hi Mr Davis, I thought you might be interested in being a part of WikiProject V8 Supercars. Let me know what you think. All the best. TydeNet 14:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly interested, although not sure how much new content I'll contribute. I'm more interested in openwheel racing, but watch the V8Supercars too. I suggest announcing it to Wikiproject Australian sports and on the Australian noticeboard. --Scott Davis Talk 00:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Merimbula Sport
Cheers for cleaning that up. Merimbula's Rugby League team is the Bulldogs, I live in Merimbula!

Thanks again

Greg

TydeNet's blocking
Hi Scott, I posted a few questions on Cyberjunkie's talk page regarding NSLE use of admin privileges to block TydeNet and related issues. I later realised that you'd also commented on TydeNet's talk page and that you'd read some of the background. If you've got the time, I thought I'd ask if you could take a look at Cyberjunkie's talk page and let me know what you think. Thanks. -- Adz|talk 12:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I looked, and did find Tydenet's comments to be personal attacks. You are not making a mountain out of a molehill, I was also concerned that NSLE had been involved in the conversation. As far as I could tell, none of Tydenet's comments were directed towards NSLE, so I considered it was (borderline) OK that NSLE had made the block, although I found 31 hours to be surprisingly long for a first offence. I'm not familiar with the usual blocks for WP:NPA and didn't look at the timespan of the comments to see if 31 hours was deliberately calculated in some way. I was also surprised the warning was only on the article talk page, as I would have put a warning on the user's talk page before blocking him. --Scott Davis Talk 13:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocking by NSLE
I noticed you commented on Adz's Talk page regarding TydeNet's being blocked by NSLE over a dispute on the Cyclone Larry article.

NSLE also blocked me for supposedly 'disrupting' the same article, in spite of the fact that I posted relevant comments with specific reasons for my edits. NSLE only made mention of the block on my Talk page after blocking me, and gave an invalid reason for his direct contravention of Wikipedia policy that explicitly prohibits admins from blocking users to gain an advantage in editing disputes. NSLE's comments and a copy of my response to him is located on my Talk page.--Jeffro77 13:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Now that St Patricks day is past, I discovered that I was wrong about the mention of Van Dieman's land in "The Wild colonial Boy" The line is ...and to Australia's sunny clime he was inclined to roam.

Thanks for the information on the Van Dieman Car Company. They were very popular in Formula Ford in the USA. I'll have to check and see what they are making these days.

Was "Bandyman's land" ever a nickname for Van Dieman's land?

This is my first comment. I hope it is going to go to the right place.

Bob Bobcarolan 20:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

St. Lawrence River Bridge @ Ogdensburg, NY
In response to your question about the bridge(s) at Ogdensburg, New York: there is only one. It is most commonly referred to as the Ogdensburg-Prescott Bridge, but the other names have been used as well. I can't account for the variance in dimensions between the sources. 71.252.64.8 19:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thankyou. I drove over the Ogdensburg-Prescott International Bridge (towards Ogdensburg last January), but don't think I have any photos to confirm its size. I was particularly confused by the appearance of two bridges in the list of 100 largest. I'll keep trying to get it sorted out. --Scott Davis Talk 23:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Neanderthal wikipedia entry
Scott, I agree the source provided for the Aborigine origins with Neanderthal man was not conclusive enough, so I added more data (including DNA evidence which is pretty hard to argue with) in the Neanderthal discussion page. Hope this clears that issue up for you. I look forward to reading your comments in the Neanderthal entry. -- JettaMann

Winnipeg
Winnipeg wasn't the only page that had tallest buildings listed as skyscrapers. Vancouver, Ottawa and Calgary are all listed as well. Does Wikipedia strictly define skyscraper as over 244 metres? If that is the definition then only four buildings in Canada are that high by my reckoning. I haven't found 244 metres to be the defining number on many skycsraper pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdobbin (talk • contribs)


 * The skyscraper article says 800 feet at the top, and 500 feet a bit lower down. None of the Winnipeg buildings meet even that lower limit. I admit my first reaction to seeing your article was to check what a skyscraper is so I could write a similar article about Adelaide. When I found that none of Adelaide's buildings were tall enough, I looked at the height of Winnipeg's buildings and found they weren't skyscrapers by that definition, and moved the article to the categories and naming style of other similar lists for tall, but not skyscraper buildings. I apologise if my comments seemed abrupt. --Scott Davis Talk 12:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Almost all of the American cities as well as the Canadian ones don't meet the criteria either. There is a great debate on skyscaper forums other than Wikipedia. Most simply list tall buildings as skyscrapers if they dominate their immediate surroundings by a margin. I don't know that there is real consensus about what the lowest height a skyscraper can be. For example, will increased heights in the newest buildings ever have the Empire State building removed off of skyscraper lists? Probably not. jdobbin 19:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've also moved the Vancouver and Ottawa-Gatineau lists to say buildings instead of skyscrapers. I will probably move any others I notice where most of the buildings in the list do not exceed 150 metres. If the primary measure was about dominating the skyline, then I'd suggest moving List of Toronto's 10 tallest skyscrapers as none of those ten buildings individually dominate the skyline, and not even collectively as the CN Tower dominates as the identifiable landmark. The skyscraper article does claim that the lowest height for notability has risen as building technology has allowed more and taller buildings, so maybe the Empire State Building will eventually fall below the height for a modern skyscraper (but would remain as a historically significant one). I note that Tallest buildings in the United States has a minimum height of 236 metres, but does not say "skyscraper" in the title. --Scott Davis Talk 22:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks mate :-)
I appreciate the note on my talk page... exciting stuff for me! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:39, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks | Article=Victor Premasagar
Hi Scott, thanks for your contribution to the article "Victor Premasagar". For long I thought that it went into the deletion category. What a pleasant surprise. Thanks for your help. As It was one of my first articles, I do admit that I could not wikify it in a proper manner. I'm sure, I'll be able to do it over a period of time starting today. Thanks once again.--Pradeep 21:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No problems. I believe you have described his notability, even if you are related to him. The article (and Andhra Christian Theological College) still needs more work, but it's on the way. Some more dates would help (especially birth and death), and trimming and sorting the list of links (see WP:EL for advice). --Scott Davis Talk 22:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Terrapad
Thanks scott for that feedback...

I was wondering though, If adding those pages was advertising, then why is where is, google, and multimap in wikipedia. and some pages that I added the site to had no maps at all, which would have added to wikipedia.

anyway Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gigpig (talk • contribs) 08:48, 9 April 2006


 * I would say the difference is the relative value to a reader of Wikipedia. The map sites we link to generally have more features (pan as well as zoom) and wider coverage than just a few towns. Most of these sites are actually all linked from a few templates keyed from the geographic coordinates. Click on the coordinates of any article with coordinates and you get taken to a (currently external but proposed to move to Wikipedia eventually) page with links to lots of map sites. I would see the threshold for adding another mapping site to that page as lower than adding it to a bunch of individual articles, as users can learn which ones they like. As Ambi has now reverted most of your edits, I'll go through and make sure all of them have coordinates. --Scott Davis Talk 09:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Broken Hill. Notable people.
I requested the article on me to be deleted.

However, although my name is not linked in Wikipedia, that does not call for you to delete my name from the list. You are not qualified to judge whether or not I am a "notable person" in Broken Hill. Kindly leave that to those locals, including Fiona Ellis of Film Broken Hill or Bobby Pickup of Quixote Productions. I am sure when they are informed of the deletion they will take it upon themselves to relist my name, if they so request.

You indicate elsewhere that you have no qualifications in film making. So, there.

John Steven Lasher--Jslasher 03:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC) fifcon@bigpond.net.au


 * See WP:VANITY. If you are notable, someone who does not know you personally will write an article about you or add you to a list. --Scott Davis Talk 09:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for Ausbio cleanups
Hi ScottDavis

Thanks for tidying up my Ausbio cleanups (esp the Angas typo). They are much nicer now. Jonathan O&#39;Donnell 02:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries. The best way to learn is to watch how others change your articles after you've written them. At least you did most of the wikifying - dumps of the text from the Dictionary of Australian Biography are really hard to read in one paragraph with no links to the related concepts. Keep up the good work. Some of those pages still need a bit more cleanup of the paragraph at the end that usually says what a fine and upright character he was. --Scott Davis Talk 04:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I had noticed those. I figure that when someone comes along that is really interested in that person, and has some other information, those bits will disappear or be edited for NPOV soon enough.  --Jonathan O&#39;Donnell 04:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Gove Airport
Nice little article. It was named after an RAAF airman called Gove who died during WWII flying off that strip. Have you come across the details of this? --Bduke 05:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I found hints at it, but nothing authoritative. There's mention of it in Gove Peninsula. --Scott Davis Talk 15:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. So there is. I'll keep a look out for a good source. I'm sure it is true, but .. --Bduke 22:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject NBL
Hey

I have been working tonight on WikiProject NBL. At the moment I am trying to round people up and think that you would be a valuable user to this project. I understand if you already have too many other Wikipedia commitments. Please leave me a message.

Cheers

Jasrocks


 * Answered on Jasrocks talk page. --Scott Davis Talk 15:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

McLaren Vale
Hi,

Thanks for your help in editing McLaren Vale page. I will be adding to the stubs over the next week. Trying to get my head into Wikipedia so feel free to keep having a look.

Regards,

James Hook

Vice Chair- McLaren Vale Grape Wine & Tourism Association.


 * Hi James. Welcome. I suggest you read WP:NPOV, WP:CITE and WP:VAIN and make sure you're familiar with them as you edit the articles relating to the things you work in and are a member of. In particular, one thing I noticed in my McLaren Vale, South Australia edits was a rather odd list of significant wineries (I deleted it). You are of course welcome to edit, and as an expert can probably cite reputable sources better than the rest of us. --Scott Davis Talk 08:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment concerning Koorong
Hi Scott. You mentioned the the Koorong article could not be spam, because the author also created the Word (bookstore) article. While this does suggest that it wasn't intended as spam, the fact that the original article was mostly taken directly from the Koorong website does mean that it was effectively spam. JPD (talk) 10:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

V8 Supercars Project
This is ridiculous

He hasnt started anything with this project and it has been around for some time. Why dont we just get started.

Jasrocks 11:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally: I just haven't gotten around to it. --Scott Davis Talk 15:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

re South Molucas editing
thank you for instruction, I'm a newbie here, apologies for mistakes.

regarding South Molucas, I find it very biased on some POVs, and the provided links were the same. For example, the statement that the organization (and not country) is supported by local people is not a truth, and I can say this because I am a Molucan. It's very heavy biased on political agenda, thus I find it not appropriate as encyclopedia material. I will try to find more material and will keep it updated with proper source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.120.116.249 (talk • contribs) 19 April 2006


 * I looked at South Moluccas. Without knowing the area, situation and information sources, it is very difficult to identify which are good references making good information, and which are not. I hope I didn't come across as too gruff in my first message. In Wikipedia, experts are the ones who are best able to find good references, but sometimes (especially in Science areas), they are offended by being asked to reference what they "know" as truth. If the article is mixing up two things (for example a place and an organisation), put at the top and explain the problem at the end of the "Discuss" link. I look forward to learning more about an area not too far from here (on a global scale). You might also like to create an account so that your IP number is not visible, and we have a name to call you. Most vandalism comes from not-logged-in users, so edits that go against what "everyone knows" are more likely to be removed if made by an IP number. --Scott Davis Talk 07:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've got my user account :) can't use my real name though, as politic is not a safe topic to discuss in Indonesia. However I appreciate Wikipedia as power of collaborated knowledge. I have updated some facts (with reference sites as link) and removed the previous link as it is a personal website. I believe the information from organizational website is more trustworthy. Thanks for guidance, looking forward to active involvement in wiki. (BlueCall 09:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC))

Barnstar of National Merit - Australia
What? About 150-200 substantial articles on Australian historical figures, places and landmarks, and nobody's noticed??? Haven't received any barnstars? What the?

Gawler station
I'm sure you know more than I do, I'm from Canberra. I borrowed that from Railways in Adelaide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grahamec (talk • contribs)

Edit conflict, Gauges
Scott

Sorry I was very tired, and obviously didn't think out a good strategy of overcoming edit conflict. Will do better next time.

All your points are correct and I will get to them.

Grahame

Gawler
Are you sure that the original Gawler station wasn't Gawler Central, as indicated in Railways in Adelaide? I have finally looked at a detailed map and can see there is a substantial difference between Gawler and Gawler Central.Grahamec 00:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what indication in Railways in Adelaide I should see. The present Gawler Central railway station was previously known as North Gawler. User:softgrow referenced 1969 SAR Metropolitan and Country Timetables as a source in an edit comment for Gawler Central. The only internet resource I can find is in the timeline in a Glenelg tram brochure (PDF) that says 1931: Last metropolitan horse tramway between Gawler and North Gawler closed. I don't know if this would have been along the present railway route, or more likely along 12th Street and Murray Street. I don't think I have any relevent history books to help out.


 * Gawler station is a substantial structure with an old goods shed, a shelter over track three, an overhead tank for watering steam locomotives, and yards now used for storing TransAdelaide railcars overnight. Gawler Junction is just north of the station where one track goes left across the Gawler River towards Roseworthy (and eventually Kapunda or Burra, formerly Peterborough) and the other goes right across the South Para River to Gawler Central (and eventually Penrice, formerly Truro). Gawler Central is an ordinary suburban-style passenger station. I think it still has the small building from when stations were manned, but only a single track. The triangle for turning locomotives is near Gawler High chool, south of Gawler station. --Scott Davis Talk 01:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Gawler
Sorry, I meant Gawler line in Modern day in Railways in Adelaide. I think your probably right and Railways in Adelaide should be changed (the kms would have to be changed too).Grahamec 01:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Electoral districts of South Australia
Hello Scott. I've completed all of these, so can now remove them from your userpage. Also, I've changed Mackillop to MacKillop, as the ABC and AEC seem to use this. Also, on the LGASA template, I think that unless it has another name the District Council of Kingston, which is in the Electoral district of MacKillop, is not on the template? Regards, ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 04:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC).


 * Great! Well done. I've added Kingston District Council to the list based on and  --Scott Davis Talk 14:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

inline references
Thanks for fixing mine on CSIRO. I haven't been keeping up with the latest methods. Geez, they make it very bloody hard to read when you're trying to edit! :/

Anyway #4 is for this which is a copy of Nature's editorial. The Nature website tried to make me pay for it, or if you have a library access thing you can read it. It seems more useful to link to a page where you can actually read the editorial in question, but now the reference makes it seem like they wrote it. So I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is. Link to the Nature page even though the average reader won't find anything useful there?

Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree it's hard to edit - possibly there's a source-formatting trick to make it easier, but I haven't learnt that yet. The inline references certainly make it easier to verify info than a few vague URLs at the bottom of the page though. I'm not sure what to do when the primary reference is online, but for money. Perhaps I can get to it for free from work. Maybe we can cite the primary source, and put "alternate link" at the end linked to a secondary source for the article. --Scott Davis Talk 14:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the URL is of little importance. Whether I read it on Ergogenics or nature.com it's still clear it's an article by Nature magazine and you put in all the bibliographical details. So long as people with the hardcover copy of the mag (assuming they still publish hard copies) can still see it. &mdash; Donama 23:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Troll
Would you mind dealing with User:Pnatt who has been trolling, vandalising and generally being an annoyance to other editors? He has broken 3RR on several articles in the last 24 hours. michael talk 10:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! michael talk 10:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You must have been watching! I was about to report I'd blocked him/her when I got your message! I doubt the lesson will be learned though. --Scott Davis Talk 11:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Review
Just wondering if you might be able to take a look at History of Burnside for me and offer any advice on how to improve it before I put it up as a featured article candidate! Thanks, michael talk 11:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not a featured article expert, and the article looks pretty good to me,but here goes:


 * 1) Is the migration pattern for Kaurna in the intro right? Up in the colder hills in winter, and the warmer plains in summer? Having lived in both, I'd go the other way.
 * 2) I think the caption on the picture should be "The Penfold's vineyard in Magill", not "The Penfold's vineyard in Makgill". Also the namesake is spelled "Magkgill". Is this right (a third spelling)?
 * 3) There seem to be two words missing from the sentence "Hailes was both surprised and disappointed when he found that it had already [been] settled and left - especially since the growth and adaption of European foliage [had ...] to the area."
 * 4) kilometers should be kilometres in Australian English
 * 5) spelling is also inconsistent between center (US) and centre (AU)
 * 6) full dates should be wikified so that logged-in users can see them formatted according to their preference setting.
 * 7) I'd like the references formatted with, etc. Unfortunately the latter doesn't quite follow the style and parameters of the others, so looks odd with them. I thought FAs should have footnotes scattered throughout, too, but I'm not sure on that.
 * On the whole, it's an interesting read. The sequence and sections makes sense as a natural progression. Well done. --Scott Davis Talk 14:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou again. That's probably the best response I could have hoped for. And Magill? Named Makgill originally after the Magkgill person, then later changed to more English-friendly Magill. It seems strange, doesn't it? michael talk 14:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I leave it to you to edit these comments into the article. It's my bedtime. :-) --Scott Davis Talk 14:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Millicent
Hi, thanks for cleaning up Millicent. I was not aware of WP:MOSDAB (beyond assuming that something of the sort must exist somewhere), and hoped that a capable editor would soon tidy up the page if the form I used was incorrect. Thanks! -- pne (talk) 17:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries. I seem to have had the mind-shift recently that disambig pages are primarily to help editors to disambiguate links (or readers to navigate where they already knew they wanted to go), and that casual readers should rarely or never see them. This view makes it much more important to be able to quickly identify the right option, without haing to read about the wrong options. As a result, I find I spend quite a bit of editing disambiguating links and tidying disambig pages to facilitate that. You seem to be a very experienced editor to have missed seeing things like WP:MOSDAB, but I guess it all depends what you're looking for. --Scott Davis Talk 22:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested pictures
I've only ever added the "picture request" template to articles that I honestly believe would be significantly improved by the addition of a picture. I could have attempted to work out what are the "highest priority" articles without pictures, but that would be very difficult. Using basically random pages actually adds more of a representative spread. I don't believe that my actions are disruptive - they may irritate editors with large watchlists, I admit, but I am only making the point that these articles would be improved by the addition of a photograph, which is hardly an act of vandalism. Neither am I clogging up a clean-up or improvement list - if I had added all of these articles into the requested picture list, that would be disruptive, since that list would have become very clogged. If I had simply added them all into the generic "requested photo" category, that would have been disruptive - it would have been impossible to browse through it in a useful way (actually, that was hard enough as it was...). This was actually a problem - it meant there was no way to add a picture request for a minor article in a non-disruptive way. Following discussion on the Requested Pictures page, it was decided to set up a geographic hierarchy of picture requests so minor ones can be added in a non-disruptive, non-clogging manner. There are lots of people who want to contribute pictures to Wikipedia, but don't know what places nearby currently have articles but no pictures. That's why the geographic hierarchy is so important - and unless I went on a page-adding binge, there wouldn't be enough articles listed to build up a useable category system.

So, yes, at the moment I am simply bulk-adding random pages, but it is allowing me to build up the categories e.g. once enough Australian articles were added, it made sense to split Australia up by state, which is (given the sheer scale of the place) much more practical when it comes to looking for nearby picture requests. As for high, medium and low priority picture requests, there is something of a system for that. High priority pictures can be added to the local category, and listed on the category page, and on the central requested pictures page. Medium priority can be listed directly on the local category page as well as actually categorized there. Low priority ones (I think your complaint is that is what I am currently mainly dealing with) can simply be categorized. Now, most articles that could do with a photo are actually pretty minor and are only ever likely to be provided with a photo by a person who lives nearby... giving people a list of nearby places with articles but no photos seems to be the best way to deal with this. Does this make sense? Apologies if I am somehow disrupting your editing experience! TheGrappler 15:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Australian Football-the regional game
I am really not sure what the big fuss is about. Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia are undeniably AFL territories with clubs and franchises composed of clubs. Queensland and NSW are Rugby League are undoubtedly Rugby League territories though there is successful AFL franchises. This is evidenced by the fact that there is 14 Rugby League clubs here and 2 AFL franchise-former Melbourne clubs. There is a RL franchise in Melbourne also but I would not say that RL is national to the best of my knowledge. I do not understand how it needs futher argument? Mr nice guy 10:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

"The big fuss"
Well I dispute that it is national. As I have typed before, by most measures it is the most popular code of football in Australia, but it is a manifestly regional game. You seem to equate most popular with national as I understand it, which is incorrect in my opinion. Mr nice guy 11:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair call
I remember reading it in the Sydney Telegraph a few months ago. I assume you are not disputing its dominance in those areas but are speaking about cumulatively? Mr nice guy 12:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:reqphotoin
YOU: Bhadani, if you think it's useful to add to every highway in Australia without a photo, could you at least please put them in the state photo categories, not the national one? Thanks. Scott Davis

ME:Thanks, and nice meeting you. But, how I have to re-do to effect the changes as suggested by you? I am requesting for photographs as I find that pages with photographs look just superb. Your country is really beautiful! Regards. --Bhadani 15:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Right now, I am stopping this, and shall re-do shortly. Thanks. --Bhadani 15:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note
Thanks for your note. Yes, the Barossa Valley Highway article not only looks nicer (if unbalanced) with the pic, it also is a lot more informative (to you it may be "just another road" but for someone thousands of miles away, it answers the questions "what kind of road is it and what does it look like?" far better than paragraphs of text). Thanks a lot for that :) I'm afraid there isn't a team as such, it's just a general maintenance/cleanup/request-type template that anyone is free to use. Perhaps some kind of WikiProject should be set up (a la WP:WSS) to get a bit more co-ordination going. You are right that it would be better if I added more text to the articles that I tagged (I do read them in full - but the way in which I edit is that I will read a few, then add the tags virtually simultaneously on a tabbed browser, giving the impression I have skimmed - I have learned loads in the past couple of days doing this!). I guess this is a lot like the debate over stub-tagging: is it better to not bother with stubtagging and just expand stubs you come across? There is a good reason to add the photo request template even to stub pages: adding a photo is a very specific (and, I would argue, significant) piece of article improvement that only a handful of local or travelling-through Wikipedians may be able to do. Hence it becomes more even important that the article is listed in a place specific enough for them to find. Since it may be relying on sheer chance that a Wikipedian is passing through an area, listing as soon as is reasonable (rather than waiting for the stub to be expanded) seems thoroughly sensible to me. It's not a tragedy to have an illustrated stub (in fact, in some cases, a well illustrated stub may be more practically informative and useful than a non-illustrated non-stub). Do you think it would be a good idea to have a WikiProject set up where these concerns can be addressed centrally? TheGrappler 23:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Company naming conventions
The referenced poll seems to say to abbreviate the company status only if there is no clear preference for the longer form. The present state of this convention page does not reflect that. User:Reflex Reaction appears to be moving articles for Australian companies that were named ... Limited as that is the preferred form. Examples so far include AWB Limited, Alumina Limited and CSL Limited. Have I correctly understood the poll that the full form is OK for the article name if that's how the company is usually known? If so, could we please update the convention description to make that more obvious, and not rename Australian company articles to the short form? Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 07:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Scott, thanks for making me aware of this issue. I hate taking up your time to fix my mistakes, but I simply cannot know about every company worldwide. You are free to modify the page to reflect naming realities and certainly don't need me to make that change more obvious.  I will be careful with other Aussie companies and especially Aussie LIMITED company.  Thanks! -- Reflex Reaction  ( talk )&bull; 01:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note on the convention page. It was just intended as a holding pen so that I could ask you in a bunch, rather than one by one.  Thanks for keeping up with the page and fixing my mistakes!  -- Reflex Reaction  ( talk )&bull; 03:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Fremantle Prison
The other date is wrong too. missed that one. the last prisoner walked out on Oct 31 1991 and was officily decomissioned on the 8th November 1991. thanks for taking an interest.Ghostieguide 05:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I will endevour to take a picture of the art in James Walshes Cell tomorow, what do think of the new map? Im no artist but I think it adds something. Hopefully someone with more skill than I can create a better one. Hope to make FA one day Ghostieguide 09:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Standards for airliner crash articles
An airliner crash is generally titled by the airline flight number, as in Flash Airlines flight 604 and many others. The Qantas Flight 1 article is about the crash, rather than the route. Let's face it, if we had an article for every airline route (including codeshares) we'd have a lot of short articles.

I accept that there is a need for articles on specific routes, especially where they are significant, such as the Kangaroo Run. Perhaps we could find some unique way of titling such articles that doesn't interfere with the large corpus of articles on airline crashes? --Jumbo 01:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Qantas flight discussions
Just a comment. It makes it easier to understand what you are replying to if you indent your replies using either a : or *. Just add one more to your text then the text you are relying to has. Vegaswikian 19:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I usually do. Sorry if I missed one. --Scott Davis Talk 22:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * In WikiProject airlines, I didn't indent my new comment, so it was the same level as my previous (initial) comment, in the same way this para has the same indentation as the one above. This is supposed to allow indentation to assist readers to recognise when the same person is talking again later, rather than a conversation eventually bumping up against the right side of the page. I thought that used to be the guidelines (maybe at WP:TALK), although it's not now, so maybe I misread it. I note that your indentation missed once in that thread, too. Thanks for pointing out I should just keep indenting forever in a thread. --Scott Davis Talk 23:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Senate
You might like to put your two cents in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics over the issue of whether the parent category Category:Members of the Australian Senate should be empty or full. Snottygobble 04:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it - and I'll vote empty, if we have the by state categories. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 04:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)