User talk:Scott D. White

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Image copyright problem with Image:EFRicketts.jpg
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File permission problem with File:EFRicketts.jpg
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It's already been deleted once and then restored by Veriditas. I posted legit permission for the photo years ago, obtained from the owner. Don't understand what your problem with it could possibly be, unless you just like making Wikipedia worse instead of better. Nice hobby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott D. White (talk • contribs) 05:14, 12 May 2010
 * Just saw this. I'll take a look right now. Viriditas (talk) 07:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I see what User:Angr is talking about. Scott, more than several years ago you wrote this note on my talk page.  Since that time, image use policy has really tightened.  Based on your message, the copyright holder did not make the license explicit, and currently this can be challenged, which is what Angr (and many others are doing).  I know it's bureaucratic and time consuming, but there's actually good reason for them to do this.  Just the other day I made a similar mistake, assuming that a particular set of screenshots were automatically in the public domain.  My license was challenged, and I discovered that after talking with one of the copyright holders, that only one of the series of images could even be considered for the public domain!  The rest, it turns out, were supplemental footage, and belonged to someone else.  I had no idea, and while the challenge upset me, it forced me to tighten up the licensing.  Although the holder gave me permission, they were unwilling due to time constraints and confusion, to fill out the boilerplate placing the image in the public domain or licensing it as "free", so I was forced to use a non-free license and make a claim of fair use.  Instead of having the file deleted again,  you will either have to ask Pat to use the form letter at Declaration of consent for all enquiries and send it to permissions-en‐at‐wikimedia.org or make a fair use exemption.  In the interim, I'll change the licensing to fair use, even though I'm fairly confident that Pat is happy with the public domain licensing.  Unfortunately, that's not good enough for Angr. Contact me if any of this isn't making sense.  Or contact me anyway.  Good to hear from you as always. Viriditas (talk) 07:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added a fair use rationale to the image page. I can see now why Angr challenged the public domain license.  On the primary website, she makes it very clear that unlicensed use of her images is prohibited.  Also, the primary image page is clearly copyrighted.  However, I'm curious if the image on Wikipedia was sent to you from Pat herself, because it is not available on her website, but a different version is.  In some respects, this would bolster your claim if she did send it by e-mail, because it appears to be a cleaner version.  In any case, you might want to call her.  Her phone number is listed on the site. Viriditas (talk) 07:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Viriditas - sorry for late reply & for my earlier cranky reply on this. Yes, I received the image from (Mr.) Pat Hathaway of California Views, Monterey, Calif. via email back in 2006. I no longer have the original email. My suggestion to Hathaway at the time was that, if he was willing to have the photo appear on Wikip., he should provide an image with his business name embedded. I was in Monterey about a year ago, and wandered into Hathaway's shop. He is a nice man and really enjoys talking to customers & talking about Ricketts. He's got thousands of vintage photos of the Monterey area. I think he'd be glad for whatever little bit of publicity this image & citation might generate. The photo is -definitely- used with his permission. I will send him the form and update here. Would it be worthwhile to cc my query to Wikip.? If so, what address? Thanks for your help. It's a great photo and it would be a shame to remove it over legalistic issues when in fact Mr. Hathaway is glad to have it posted as is. Best, -SW Scott D. White (talk) 03:37, 24 October 2010 (UTC)