User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish/Archive 25

Belated thanks
A belated thanks for reverting the sock on my talk page. (And it seems that I accidentally thanked the wrong person- really shouldn't do things on mobile).  VickKiang  (talk)  06:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * No problem, and your thanks is appreciated. I've actually gotten used to mostly mobile editing, and I don't think I've even accidentally blocked anyone yet. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish. :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 13:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Da'Vion Tatum
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DT talkpage
Hello. I think you might want to monitor the discussion taking place at Trump's talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 19:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

VEXBYSTERANG
Apologies for picking a sane-seeming person to vent to, but what a weird rule! I think there are good reasons why the real world strictly separates bringing cases from trying them.

I'm sure that lots of Wikipedia specific experience went into WP:VEXBYSTERANG but the most obvious unintended consequence would be that many people with useful information will decline to be witnesses. If the idea was to reduce workload on the court, obviously it does the opposite of that. - Palpable (talk) 17:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I think it's a pretty reasonable note for an essay. It's a fair warning that participating disruptively, e.g. popping up to take shots at someone you've had disagreements with in the past or plainly nonconstructive participation, can lead to sanctions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

More edits by same non-EC user
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish. Thank you for your help. The same user created another such page:

Justice for Some: Law and the Question of Palestine

Can it please be deleted?

I have also filed a complaint against him in AE, as he continues to do it. Dovidroth (talk) 06:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually, come to think of it, should I leave this page until we finish with the AE report? What do you think?  Thanks. Dovidroth (talk) 08:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was draftified. At this point let the AE filing play out. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Juhr-al-Dik ambush
I see that the page was deleted due to the page's creator being a sockpuppet or banned? If so, could you paste the transcript of the old page so I can re-upload it. As you can see, I'm not a banned user. so there probably shouldn't be an issue. Genabab (talk) 13:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * There's really nothing to be saved. It has significant SYNTH and attribution issues, and would require TNT anyway. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What were the issues? I Could try to resolve them, but I'd at least need the tekst first. Genabab (talk) 12:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You'd be better off just starting from scratch. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Protection of Jake Wallis Simons
Why is the article on Jake Wallis Simons protected? I could not find the explanation. -- Babel fish (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * ARBPIA related BLPvio. It's not indef ECP because it's not the primary topic, bit until things calm down it's best to keep the ECP in place. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Susan Sarandon reliable source
It was reported in other media (The Guardian, TMZ, Daily Beast, SkyNews Australia, Metro, msn.com and others), I originally was going to cite the Daily Mail but wikipedia said that was not a reliable source so I referenced Page Six which had the exclusive from the production company. How do I find out which press is considered "reliable"? thank you for your help Honore1 (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I reverted your addition of the label antisemitic in wikivoice. Additionally, her comments and the backlash is related to the Palestine/Israel conflict, so you cannot make any edits related to it except for edit requests. I left some information about this restriction on your talk page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

New user has made questionable edits
Hi, sorry for keeping on dragging you into things but would you mind taking a look at the edits of this two-month-old account? They've made like 60 recent edits adding thousands of characters of unsourced "fun facts" relating to county election results, and while it's not worthy of being brought to ANI, I feel like they should be rolled back en bloc? There are too many for me to deal with this without those tools. I'll reach out to the user soon, but I've got a lot on my plate and could just use a second set of eyes. Thanks. Cpotisch (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rolled back and warned on their talk page, where was already reaching out to them. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Genuinely curious
If an edit is reverted citing WP:ECR, shouldn't the page be then ExCon protected? Primefac (talk) 21:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * , I only do that on tangentially related articles when there has been significant disruption or I have reason to believe that it will continue to be an issue, and then I normally only do a few months. If other non-ec editors continue to make similar edits then 3 or 6 months ECP would probably do the trick. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 07:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales
I don't understand the latter part of the sentence: "Asking editors to read a source and reconstruct why a non-expert believes something is off-topic." Can you explain it to me? Who is the non-expert you are referring to, Jimmy Wales?And isn't it the job of editors to accurately represent what actual experts say in reliable sources (RS), whether or not they themselves are experts? Have you actually read the article before closing? XMcan (talk) 10:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * You asked editors to review an article written by someone who is not a subject matter expert about the actions on-wiki of someone else who is not a subject matter expert and discuss the meta issue. That is not what a talk page is for. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

My edit to the talk page should not have been reverted because it was relevant to improving the article.
My edit to the talk page for human genital modification should not have been reverted because it was relevant to improving the article depending on how improvement is defined. The world majority is being logically inconsistent about this just like just like how the majority was logically inconsistent in Nazi Germany, the Antebellum South, the Jim Crowe South, etc. Pointing out an inconsistency in the majority position could be seen as potentially allowing an article to use phrasing that is more logically consistent, which could be viewed as an improvement.

In Short, KlayCax posted a questionable assertion about the absence of dysfunction with nothing to back it up. This assertion promotes the use of inconsistent terminology in the article. By challenging his assertion, I hoped to add points for future editors to consider when thinking about whether or not the article is using the most consistent terminology. I hope you will reconsider or accept some compromised form of my talk page edit, but I will respect your decision.

2600:6C58:6500:C06:8E1:4719:1F63:C590 (talk) 10:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Try again with more reliable WP:MEDRS sources to support your statements and fewer broad soapboxing statements about Wikipedia. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Robert McClenon (talk) 16:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears that there may be disagreement with an RFC that you closed on 18 November 2023 about airline and destination lists in airport articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * , I've made a statement there. Thanks for the heads up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thanks for the well wishes! I hope your holidays are great as well. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Question
Are personal Tweets and personal Substack writings in general deemed unreliable sources for Wikipedia purposes? If so, is there any particular reason for this? 172.56.185.241 (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Your personal interpretations are not allowed on Wikipedia. You'll need to find coverage in reliable secondary sources to demonstrate that it is WP:DUE, and summarize what those sources say. You cannot add your own original research to articles. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 04:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Grifters
those who pretend support Palestinian cause like Jackson Hinkle use misinformation to lure followers on Twitter and Sulaiman Ahmed who is Tate's lawyer whom everybody reblog his post, unaware he had connection with human trafficker Tate by --Sunuraju (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * , it is not the place of Wikipedia to get the word out about or make connections between something not discussed in reliable secondary sources, or to shoehorn material into a BLP to imply guilt by association. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

A wee dram for you

 * I appreciate that and although I'm a bourbon guy I'd grimace through a bit of scotch to share a drink. Coincidentally, inspired by the recent RFAs I reread my own last night, so I'm familiar with your oppose. I reread it every few months to make sure I keep the concerns raised fresh in my mind. I appreciate that you kept an open mind in regards to my adminning, and that you reached out. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

User:96.82.253.93
Should account creation be blocked as likely sockpuppetry? Cf. Special:Diff/1190447488 Chaotıċ Enby   (t · c) 23:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * If they create an account and it's blocked that'll be that. I'm not too worried about leaving account creation open. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah but apparently (according to themselves, I'll concede they're not the most reliable narrator) they're using this IP as their previous account was banned (probably meant blocked but still). Chaotıċ Enby   (t · c) 23:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they also said they're in a best buy. If they create an account and vandalize it'll be blocked, and that'll block account creation from the best buy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * They've already moved IP adresses (Special:Contributions/41.43.2.35) so you were right Chaotıċ Enby   (t · c) 00:18, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Trypto
Just wanted to be sure you knew Tryptofish was recovering from surgery when he made the less than ideal edit.

And, happy holidays. Don't eat too many radishes. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * There's no such thing as "too many" radishes. DN (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm actually out of radishes, finally. Recently finished the last of the pickled radishes from the garden. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Spoiler alert. Tomorrow's NYTimes Magazine page 48 acrostic puzzle clue G: "Bit of red in a salad". Six letters. No idea as to the answer. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ragout. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You spilled your stew into a salad? Could be tomato. I haven't started on the acrostic yet and don't know if it is Scottish or Finnish. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have little faith in acrostic spelling, so possibly "rubarb"? Dumuzid (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm having stew salad as a starter and salad stew as my main. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Jeez, the last time I had this many talk page notifications it was an lta.
 * Peppers are red, and radishes white. Most of my tomatoes are purple or orange, but my garlic has red tips. My cherry tree produces red fruit, which are great in a summer salad. I think that crossword is too hard. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You need to get the down clues so you have more letters. Andre🚐 02:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oooh, too bad. For using up radishes I would have recommended sauteeing in butter with a little salt and pepper. Unbelievably delicious and very different from most radishy things. Most Scots and Finns -- any non-French, really -- will look at you like you're crazy, though. Valereee (talk) 16:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Radish slices dipped in salty butter, also amazing. Easy to make, hard to ignore how quickly the butter disappears. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've eaten radishes pretty much every way one can eat them. I like to grate them with potato and make hash browns. And a nice peppery bite. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw that, yes. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Peppers are red, and radishes white"... Needs to be the start of a poem:
 * Peppers are red, and radishes white
 * Too much in a salad, your tongue will ignite.
 * AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's some spicy prose. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Gentleman's agreement
I just wanted to reach out and thank you for the agreement. I know you don't see eye to eye, but if there is going to be any chance at reasonable administration things need to calm down a bit. There are very few of us patrolling AE and ARBPIA articles, and if there's going to be any chance of admins actively watching and engaging on these topics effectively then turning down the heat is necessary. The talk page of 2023 Israel-Hamas war is currently sitting at about one tomats and 31 archive pages nearly the same size. And that's just one of the articles.

I didn't have a chance to look into the deeper part of the dispute, but if it comes up again I'd much prefer short to the point statements. Nableezy, I understand rhetorical flourishes like That is, and Im trying my best not to say lie here, not true. And it is very difficult to productively discuss content when somebody says something so blatantly untrue. are a common way to communicate your point and frustration, but to me it's 30 more words I have to read that don't add anything. Andre, you wrote a lot that didn't have much to do with the issue at hand. I'm not trying to chastise either of you, or demand you respect my time. I'm begging you take pity on me and the other admins. You've both seen me and some others picking all the low hanging fruit, closing RFCs, issuing warnings, blocking disruptors, but when something complicated comes up it's hours of work. Please try and make it a bit easier. I'm really trying my best and spending piles of time on this, so anything you can do to lessen the burden would be appreciated.

I also know you two aren't the only editors involved, the only two going back and forth, you just happen to be the two primary editors involved in that last AE. Feel free to ping any other editors here that might benefit from reading my pitiful plea.

Long complex disputes that AE can't handle are how things end up back at arbcom, and no one (I hope) wants that. If you, or anyone else, has any ideas about how to settle the topic area I'd love to hear it as well. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I will do my best to be more to the point and polite. But I do struggle with maintaining the veneer of politeness when I find things that are actually pernicious to the goal of editing an encyclopedia, and misrepresenting sources is at the top of my list of such things, are happening. I dont know how to get yall to pay the attention you do to the low hanging fruit to these more complex things that may require reading a source and judging if somebody is being honest in their presentation of it. I dont even know if that is something that any admin will do while maintaining their uninvolvement. And yes, I think that is what happened here. I still do. But I do get that you and the other admins are in a nearly impossible position here, and I will try my best to not add to the difficulty. I know this probably isnt the response you were hoping for here, and for that I am sorry as I do think you have been doing yeoman's work in trying to maintain a productive editing environment. I do respect you and your time (and Ill also say you have proven my RFA concerns to be entirely unfounded), and I will try to show that better in the future.  nableezy  - 02:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want admin action on source misrepresentation I suggest the format of
 * [Diff] [Source] challenged text
 * brief explanation of the problem
 * Provide several examples to demonstrate a pattern and not a mistake or misreading. Don't couch it all in hundreds of words. Try and make it easier since it's likely to take a lot of time to review and absorb. You don't need to provide commentary since we already know you object and you believe the source is being misrepresented.
 * As far as paying attention to the complex issues, a lot comes down to opportunity cost. I can handle a dozen smaller obvious issues in the time it takes to review a small AE case. A more complicated case, or one with a lot of input, can take much longer. During that time I can't monitor other pages, investigate other issues or editors, or really do much of anything. It's hard to set aside that much time to investigate smoke when there's so much on fire.
 * That's why keeping things short and sweet is so important. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Will do, thank you for the advice.  nableezy  - 03:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've no problem with how you're handling things, SFR, or the proposal or plea, as I think you know, but it's worth stating outright. And I was going to write something about how admins are volunteers and that most admin work is tedious, frustrating, and you have to give clear diffs to show things (to El C's point). I will note that sometimes there is a phenomenon on Wikipedia where during off times, like holidays, not as well-versed users like the changes I had reverted today, wading into a topic area where people might be sleeping, cavorting, cajoling, etc., or not watching their machines closely, will add changes that can and should be reverted. Reasonable people can reasonably differ on what is appropriate and what the interpretation of sources should be. Language and stories are often conflicting or ambiguous and requires editorial discretion. I think nableezy's demeanor and his continued statements throughout this still leave reflection to be desired. But, we'll do the best we can, it won't be from lack of trying. Andre🚐 03:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * SFR, most of the Admins' comments at the recent AE threads were highly disappointing. No Admin is required to participate at AE, so complaints that its too much work, too time consuming, etc. pale vs. the time effort and interpersonal dedication that content editors volunteer at those pages. Any Admin who has better uses of their time should not divert their attention to the AE board.
 * But what would be constructive, and what would take far less time and attention while also producing a more beneficial and unbiased result, would be simply for Admins to patrol the most contentious pages when they feel they have a little time to spare. In the case of the recent activity related to the Israel/Hamas war, any Admin who did so on a regular basis would see a small number of editors repeatedly posting uncivil, personalized, and IDHT bludgeons there. A simple warning away from the drama of an AE complaint might have spared the community of content editors far more time, attention, and rancor than burdens the Admins who choose to engage at the AE board.
 * The AE thread may have had the same effect, but a simple warning by an Admin who was following the day to day conduct on those pages would have achieved that much more efficiently. There's a dwindling number of Admins who appear prepared to approach things in that way. SPECIFICO talk 03:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * simply for Admins to patrol the most contentious pages when they feel they have a little time to spare I've often felt this myself for the content areas I edit in (GENSEX and its intersection with AP2), but there's a problem. WP:INVOLVED. For better or for worse, the community has chosen to interpret INVOLVED very broadly. If an admin starts to do this sort of patrol, sooner or later they will cross the threshold where the regulars in that area will see them as too involved to take impartial actions. Typically by the time an admin is well versed enough in the content, and the behaviours of the regulars to start to identify problematic editors they are seen as too involved to do anything. Short of the community consensus changing on this point, I don't see this being an action that is sustainable. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There have been around 600,000 words, or 22 tomats, written in the past two months at Talk:2023 Israel-Hamas war. There are dozens more related articles. I've been active at many of them, handing out warnings, reverting unconstructive messages, welcoming new editors and informing them of CTOP sanctions, protecting, and blocking/banning. I'm not sure what you think since admins spending a little time will do when it requires reading a novel every two or three days to stay fully up to speed on a single article. A few of us do that patrolling, and even then the opportunity cost can be enormous. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree I've seen you as one of the most active admins right now. Anyone tabulating stats right now? You've got to be up there. But here's a question for you. What do we do about things like this? I don't want to file a report or open an AE or an ANI, but I feel that further engagement with this user would likely not be productive. Andre🚐 06:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I reverted and warned. That's the low hanging fruit I talked about. Feel free to let me know if it keeps up. I'm trying to keep an eye on it, but like I said, it's a lot of words in a lot of places. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 06:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * One quick thought re the "agreement." I assume that it is understood that 1RR warning should be given promptly, especially since we are going into a holiday and people may simply be absent. Absence is not necessarily a sign of defiance. Also I wanted to draw your attention to this comment I made in the other case, in case you didn't see it. Thanks, Coretheapple (talk) 22:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw it. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above in this section, there is a tremendous amount to try and monitor. I'm doing what I can, and right now I'm actually trying to read some talk pages to see if there's anything that I can do. Well over a million words have been written on related talk pages since the war began, and it's a damn near impossible task to stay on top of it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can imagine. I posted my note there as I was hoping other admins might see it and take a peek at those million pages. Perhaps they already have? Coretheapple (talk) 23:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

38.95.12.0/23
You blocked .131, .132, and .133 for one year. Now they have reappeared at .134. They appear to be Windscripe VPN nodes. You might consider blocking the range assigned 38.95.12.0/23 (at least according to WHOIS). &mdash; Archer  (t·c) 08:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * All set. I kept meaning to look into the range, but other stuff keep coming up. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

CTOPICs
I'm sure you know this area better than I...in fact, is it surprising to you that it hasn't been designated a CT? Valereee (talk) 16:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * There's a recent discussion somewhere about what CTOPs might apply to it, but I don't recall where right now. It's been somewhat quiet, and normal procedures have more or less worked, and some of the more contentious parts fall under ampol. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Certain aspects of that clearly fall within CTOP already, for instance any content related to the US could be sanctioned under AP2... In general, though, I can't see why conspiracy theories in general aren't designated a CTOP. Courcelles (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Quiet until just recently, where it's experiencing activity that is a bit concerning. Valereee (talk) 20:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Requesting input
Hi! I apologize if you're busy, but I wanted to seek your input on a possible issue with an editor you blocked. I have  on KlayCax's talk page after noticing unusual overlap between them and a very new editor. Another editor has expressed that they suspect an overlap (see ). If you think there's enough evidence for an SPI, please let me know. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I think that's a good idea. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I opened it. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Just a heads up.
You might want to see this. The IP address is threatening to use a different IP address to disrupt Wikipedia. Maybe is it a good idea to protect Talk:Stockton Rush for a few days or so? 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 06:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It was a couple days between the disruption, so a couple days of protection wouldn't do anything and I'm unwilling to protect a talk page for any length of time without severe disruption. Just revert, report, and ignore them. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 06:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted. Thank you @ScottishFinnishRadish! 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 07:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem, and thanks for the heads up that they were back after their last block. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 07:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

A solstice greeting
 ❄️Happy holidays!❄️

Hi ScottishFinnishRadish! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. I hope your root vegetables flourish in the coming year :) Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb }&#125;  talk

&#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 07:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly . Dall-e has really come a long way, and I appreciate the personalized image and message. Hopefully my garden doesn't get mutilated by an early spring hail storm and then three months of rain this coming year. I wish you nothing but the best, have a merry Christmas and a wonderful new year! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Requesting some details about stated violations (removal of EC)
Hi, I noticed that you removed my membership from extended confirmed users on the basis that I was violating ECR. What are those violations? My understanding was that my original violations were due to editing content that was not locked but still considered ARBPIA. Now that I have reached the requirement for EC, why did you consider my newer edits as violations? Also if you could explain why you consider my edit history to be gaming ECR that would be very appreciated.

Thank you

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=157067912 DMH43 (talk) 15:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I've left a message detailing my reasoning at your talk page, but to restate it here I have revoked your extended-confirmed permissions for gaming 30/500, and returning immediately to ARBPIA, including restoring some of your original ECR violations, upon reaching 500 edits, as well as immediately ending all editing outside of ARBPIA. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, why is it considered gaming? DMH43 (talk) 15:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Appeal
I have appealed your revoking of my EC membership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Appeal_of_the_removal_of_EC_membership_for_User:DMH43 DMH43 (talk) 17:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

You forgot
one :)

Also happy whatever, my spicy root friend. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 20:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * All set, and thank you. I hope you also have a great suite of holidays. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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 * Merry Christmas to you too . I hope the new year treats you well. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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that the New Year will be an improvement on the old. CHEERS!

Share these holiday wishes by adding   to your friends' talk pages.

(Sent: 02:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)) Shearonink (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Happy Holidays and a wonderful new year to you as well, . ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

メリークリスマス！ (Merry Christmas)

 * Thanks for the well wishes, . I wish the best for you and yours this holiday season. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merry Christmas to you too, . I hope the new year meets you well. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Appeal
I significally toned down the message and withdrew what was unuseful and inappropriate.

I am engaging myself here to comment on content and only on content from now on, and not write comments on users in any case anymore.

I added valuable, balanced and measured content that have improved the articles. Iennes (talk) 18:14, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I did two mistakes, not three. The message I had written to you on my talk page had been instantly erased right after, so it was supposed to not be read anymore and yet you had dug it a lot of minutes after. The right to oblivion for a personal message on a personal page exists. it is unfair and unreceivable to mention your reply to this as soon withdrawn message in your present sanction, this is a convenient help to reach the three mistakes. Iennes (talk) 18:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The time to make that change in behavior was after my clear warning, not after you have been sanctioned. Additionally, you cannot substantially edit a comment after it has been responded to, and that edit was a topic ban violation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Directly giving an indefinite sanction is inappropriate, it has to be graduated.
 * There is no requirement to allow three mistakes and your conduct was so flagrantly disruptive that the topic ban is necessary. However, indefinite does not mean infinite, and if you can demonstrate that you can edit constructively in other topics you will likely be able to appeal successfully in the future. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There wasn't any complaint apart one from one user with whom I was in disagreement over almost every discussion. The 'Disruptive' adjective implies that I would have done edit wars, there wasn't. And implying that I wouldn't have edited "constructively" on this article, is an unfounded and unfair arguement. I will have to appeal because I can't help feeling, that you may bear a grudge on me when looking to the way you had responded to a private message I had erased quickly after publishing. Til then, can I contact users on their talking pages with suggestions if I read interesting content in sources that is not yet present in the article. Iennes (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You cannot edit about anything related to the Palestine/Israel conflict anywhere on the English Wikipedia. That includes contacting users on their talk pages with suggestions that relate to the Palestine/Israel conflict. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:44, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is over the top.
 * I also note that you didn't address anything to the points I raised.
 * Can you point "Disruptive" and "unconstructive" edits in ,, . You have no qualm for expelling an user who did a good balanced work when editing those articles, really ? Iennes (talk) 00:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have provided examples of your wildly inappropriate edits and will not be reconsidering the sanction. Instructions for appealing the topic ban can be found here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Firing a productive user who didn't disorganize wiki when they edited / added content with good quality sources in those articles, is not something that anyone can brush away in one click.
 * I will appeal and will fight for freedom of speech.
 * I know from now what is deep down your stance and attitude. You clearly have got too much power on wiki.
 * Iennes (talk) 00:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I just saw the message written below which is about my edits, and then I read what you left on their talk. Two weights, two measures. Iennes (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sanction appeal
WP:AE  nableezy  - 20:36, 27 December 2023 (UTC)