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Scribes52/Draft George Thorp (1777-1797) page
Hi Scribes52. I have moved the page Scribes52/Draft George Thorp (1777-1797) page to User:Scribes52/Draft George Thorp (1777-1797) page as it appears that you intended to create this as a user subpage. Regards,  GILO  A& E&uArr;  08:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gilo1969. You are indeed correct - I tried to create it as a user subpage but obviously stuffed up. There's a lot I want to do on this page before asking to move it out of my user space. Scribes52 (talk) 10:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Geoff Hunt painting
Dear Scribes, thanks for uploading File:Santisima Trinidad harried by Terpsichore.jpg. Can I ask you to fill in some details for me, such as where you found it, i.e. the website? We'd need that detail rather than just 'Available online'. And you say evidence of permission will be available on request. Can you provide such evidence? At the moment we'd need to verify if we can use that image on wikipedia and these details will help us clear that up a lot faster. Best wishes, Benea (talk) 02:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear Benea, Thanks for so quickly communicating with me regarding this. I have been trying to comply with the numerous and lengthy articles about image uploads and copyright, but they are pretty formidable for someone at first attempt.


 * I feel confident that I will be able to satisfy requirements and can provide details of where the image appears online and copies of e-mails to and from the artist, Geoff Hunt, giving me permission to incorporate this image. I'll gather this together and place it below in the next hour or thereabouts. Scribes52 (talk) 03:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's great to hear! If you are in email contact with Geoff Hunt, it's best to get him to fill in one of the release declaration forms that you will see at Commons:Email templates and to email this to the people at Commons:OTRS. As Hunt is a commercial artist he will need to be aware of what releasing the work into the public domain entails (he will 'grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs') and this form of wording will ensure that the necessary permission will be given. Benea (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Benea. I note what you say and will act accordingly. However, in answer to your earlier message, the image I have uploaded can be found in two places on the Internet:


 * http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Pinturas/Hunt-Geoff/SantisimaTrinidad.jpg
 * http://www.histarmar.com.ar/PaulStam/Tallships/p-tall_ships061.jpg


 * I didn't know how to contact Geoff Hunt, so wrote to an art gallery in Annapolis asking them to put me in touch if possible. i then received this message from him:


 * From: Geoff Hunt 
 * To: 
 * Subject: Terpsichore
 * Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:46:07 +0100


 * I would like to ask Mr Hunt's permission to include an image of this painting on a page in Wikipedia that I have written about George Thorp, who was First Lieutenant of Terpsichore under Captain Richard Bowen at the time of the action with the Santisima Trinidad and four months later was killed together with his captain in the assault on Santa Cruz, Tenerife, led by Nelson. If possible, would you be able to put me in touch with Mr Hunt please, or forward this message to him? Here is a link to the page in Wikipedia:


 * Dear Mr Eddy,


 * Your request as above was forwarded to me from Annapolis Marine Art but I seem to remember this also reached me by another route some time ago? Apologies for not replying sooner if so, there has been so much going on recently.


 * I have no objection to my painting being used for this purpose, especially having read the article and seen what a thoroughly worthy character George Thorp appears to have been, as long as - which I expect must be the case - the image is not reproduced at a high enough resolution to permit print reproduction. Presumably it would be credited to me?


 * I was interested to note your speculation regarding a possible use by Patrick O'Brian of the letterbook. Patrick was an omnivorous reader and seems to have remembered everything he ever read, so this would not surprise me at all. I have occasionally had the same experience in reading very obscure bits of logbooks in the Public Archives - Patrick must surely have read this too!


 * Kind regards,
 * Geoff Hunt


 * I am in the process of adding a caption to the page creditingbthe painting to the artist.


 * Best wishes, Scribes52 (talk) 04:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Santisima Trinidad harried by Terpsichore.jpg
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RV Pax moved to draftspace
Thanks for creating RV Pax. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability and mostly because I think you published it prematurely by accident. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.

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 * No problem. Thank you. I agree there is a lot more to be done yet and am happy to have somewhere other than my Sandbox to work on it. Scribes52 (talk) 05:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Hi Matt, I think your comment about 'Sadly' is valid, so I'll examine the whole draft to try to eliminate the essay style, then try a resubmission. Scribes52 (talk) 10:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Tugg Wilson (June 11)
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 * The point you make is valid. My research reveals only one reference outside of the Navy, apart from mentions of Tugg in virtually all on-line book shops, and that is the agency offering his artistic services after retiring from the RN, which doesn’t seem appropriate to quote. But I wonder if this is something frequently encountered with pages for professionals? Isn’t it the case that many are widely known within their spheres - perhaps scientists, physicians, musicians for example - but little known beyond? Focusing on the Navy, I looked for a Wikipedia Naval page where I might find a list of names including some that had their own pages and found this one: Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff (Aviation, Amphibious Capability & Carriers). I stopped checking after finding that four out of only about half a dozen had little or no references to any non-service sources: Michael Layard, Roger Dimmock, Desmond Cassidi and Richard Janvrin, In fact, the only sources one had were his promotion notices in the London Gazette. Is Tugg Wilson’s page so bad when compared with these pages? I am not suggesting that these pages should be questioned, but rather that Tugg’s page be reconsidered please. He was truly remarkable, entertaining over a million servicemen who served during the publication of his cartoons in the Navy News from 1954 until beyond his death in 2006 and using humour to contribute to the safety of air crews. I’ve not found it said about any other naval person that they had “done more for the morale of the modern Navy than any other individual”, as editorialised in the Navy News, or found any other royal accolades the like of that attributed to King Charles. May I respectfully request reconsideration of your rejection of this page. (With apologies for this verbose reply.) Scribes52 (talk) 02:29, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Charles Richard Vernon Pugh (Royal Navy officer) (November 5)
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 * The new references you have found are being presented as lists, but WP:PARAGRAPH recommends that these be rewritten as prose. I think the piece is nearly ready now but what's missing is detail of the incidents that gave rise to the decorations and more about his transfer to the RAF—how was he holding ranks in both services?--AntientNestor (talk) 08:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think your message above crossed with mine addressed to your talk page. Your point about the page's present appearance as a list of events needing to be rewritten as prose is valid and I will set about doing that. Scribes52 (talk) 08:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Charles Richard Vernon Pugh (Royal Navy officer) (November 6)
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 * The new references from Traces of War could take us further, but as a product of "80 enthusiastic volunteers" it looks like a WP:SPS and so can't be used. Sorry.--AntientNestor (talk) 07:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tugg Wilson (November 7)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Charles Richard Vernon Pugh (Royal Navy officer) (November 8)
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 * Hi DoubleGrazing, I have no barrel to push for this person - no relationship or particular interest. I created the draft because I found no mention of this officer among the hundreds listed in category "Royal Navy officers of World War II" and felt that there were many officers with pages in that list having far less reason for a page in Wikipedia and inclusion in that list than Captain Pugh. So I was addressing what I perceived to be an omission. I think I've exhausted my research options, so should probably just accept your rejection and learn from this experience. Thank you. Scribes52 (talk) 10:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing, I decided to create a page for Captain Pugh after discovering that he did not appear among those in Category:Royal Navy officers of World War II yet seemed as remarkable as many already there and more-so than some. I believe that still to be true, but understand such a view may not be held by Wikipedia as sufficient justification for a new page, and consequently I am discouraged from ever attempting to remedy such perceived omissions in future. Lesson learnt. With Pugh though, I have ascertained why he held ranks concurrently in both the RAF and Royal Navy and provided links to the pages where that can be substantiated, and generally tidied the page, so will make a further attempt to have the draft accepted. Thank you. Scribes52 (talk) 04:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Tugg Wilson has a new comment
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 * @Tagishsimon Thank you. Scribes52 (talk) 05:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

== Your submission at Articles for creation: Charles Richard Vernon Pugh (Royal Navy officer) (November 25) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AntientNestor was:

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 * Hi @AntientNestor, Do please have a look at the page for David Burnford. Arguably, he has less justification for his own page and inclusion in the category:Royal Navy officers of World War II than Captain Pugh and is one of quite a few similar examples. David Mumford's page would seem unlikely to pass your scrutiny if you applied the same criteria as to Captain Pugh. My researches haven't revealed the sort of results that would enable me to satisfy your requirement, but it would seem a pity to ditch what has been achieved when there are existing examples of lesser standard such as David Burnford's page. With my fingers burnt, there is no risk that I will be repeating this sort of apparently badly-perceived enhancement of Wikipedia. Scribes52 (talk) 06:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. AntientNestor (talk) 07:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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