User talk:Sdiver68

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The Wikipedia Tutorial is a good place to start learning about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and discussion pages using four tildes, like this: &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; (the software will replace them with your signature and the date). Again, welcome! Omarcheeseboro (talk) 04:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

January 2010
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Bernie Miklasz. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Shadowjams (talk) 05:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Edit Warring report filed
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Dayewalker (talk) 04:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so you'll know, I filed a report here . Dayewalker (talk) 04:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours to prevent further disruption caused by your engagement in an edit war&#32;at Bernie Miklasz. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. Rd232 talk 11:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

In view of your recent edits at the same page, I have to warn you that you do not need to breach the WP:3RR rule in order to be blocked for edit warring. In addition, you may not accuse fellow editors of bad faith without very good reason (WP:AGF), which does not remotely exist in this case. Be patient, look for more sources, use dispute resolution. Also, always consider the possibility that (a) you may be wrong; and (b) that sometimes you may not get your way even when you're right; and that in the case of B, this does not require or prove bad faith. Rd232 talk 19:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you call it when you clear the objections of an editor only to have them throw more at you? As a business person, I call it negotiating in bad faith. Sdiver68 (talk) 00:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've no idea of the relevance of your business experience, but in general, it is quite normal and human to focus on the most obvious and easily explained objection to something, rather than listing all of them. If the most obvious one is actually sufficiently addressed, then the other objections come out of the woodwork, as it were - but they were always there, and to assume that they're being frivolously produced on demand is a violation of WP:AGF. Rd232 talk 09:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * http://www.settlenow.org/BadFaithNegotiations.html. Apparently there is a Wiki "culture" definition of bad faith and a real world definition.  Assume that I write in the real world, thus be careful about citing this principle too aggressively. Just as one can incorrectly judge that another is acting in bad faith, so too can one mistakenly conclude that bad faith is being assumed, and exhortations to "Assume Good Faith" can themselves reflect negative assumptions about others if a perceived assumption of bad faith was not clear-cut. Sdiver68 (talk) 23:39, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that looks like much the same definition. The difficulty is (especially in a text-based environment) determining intent. It's very hard to do, so the Wikipedia principle is to assume good faith. The principle isn't there to tell you to do that when it's easy - it's there to tell you to do it even when you're sorely tempted to drop the assumption. Rd232 talk 23:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've no idea of relevance of your Wiki experience in the real world of negotiations, but I assure you that what Dayewalker is doing would be considered bad faith if this were a legal or business discussion. Sdiver68 (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

By the by, a userspace draft can often be helpful to allow drafting (even collaborative drafting) of disputed material without the pressure of it being in the "live" article, which is a problem particularly in WP:BLPs. Rd232 talk 09:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Sdiver68 (talk) 00:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)