User talk:Sdpjswl/Archive 3

Re: Clips
That's absolutely awesome! Thanks a bunch mate, I'd have had no clue at all how to do it. i'm just on my way out to get a new phone, but I'll add them when I get back in. Thanks again, cheers! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All added; what do you think about the way they're all integrated? I had to lose the one quote box in the NLOTH article, but that's okay since it was already present in the paragraph it was next to. I gotta say, I really love that "White as Snow" sample! Cheers again! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 00:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried every alignment I could think of with the Show preview button in all sorts of different locations, but every other way just ended up making the paragraphs and text look really misshapen. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 18:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it is just about, but I don't plan on nominating it immediately (I'll be too busy through the rest of the month in getting ready for University and moving out to respond to everything raised). I'll be able to do so in early September though. Would you mind taking another read through it to make sure that language isn't repeated all that often within paragraphs? (By the way, do you like this addition I made)? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * U2 is the only band I've ever found a comprehensive setlist archive like that for. And they have two of them! I always prefer to use U2Gigs though. Did you know that one of their administrators is also a Wikipedian? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Reading NLOTH

 * In promotion: "An alternate version of the title track "No Line on the Horizon" debuted on RTÉ 2XM" This was NLOTH 2, right? Any ref that confirms this? I guess we can put it there and mention it was the bside to GOYB.
 * I don't think there is a ref that supports it... Maybe changing it to just "a version of..." MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Another doubt. he infobox notes the producers, though it doesnt include will.i.am. and Declan Gaffney (from the track listing), even though the latter worked on only 2 of the 11 songs. Is this intended?
 * Yes, because their involvement was minimal. Eno, Lanois, and Lillywhite were the principal producers, and will.i.am and Gaffney were brought in for only a couple of songs. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * In the section for Linear you could add 2 lines surmising the story's plot, and maybe noting Said as the lead character in it.
 * Yeah, I kinda wish Dream Out Loud had done that before splitting it. Would have been simpler than switching back and forth. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You could also have a "release history" section. In the text, there's mention of the album dates, and I think the guidelines say one date in the infobox. The rest can be mentioned in a separate section.
 * I'm not sure that the information is important enough to put into it's own section; it would be pretty short in any case. Maybe working it into the generic release section? I'm not sure... FAC would be the best place to ask when it's nominated. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * And the boxes way down, showing the album number 1 in diff regions, and preceeding and succeeding #1, do we need refs or that?! I'm not sure!
 * Nah, not to my knowledge. I've never seen any other article with it anyways. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I did minor nitpicking, but personally found nothing repetitive as such. Suede67 (talk) 07:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Looks like all the copyediting of the last few weeks has paid off! Thanks a bunch for looking over it. See, you've got sharp eyes. =P MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Songs of Ascent/No Line on the Horizon Article
What about this link then? It has the same information in the description box and its Youtube - a more reliable source. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CoZ8cbTRjI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.137.18 (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * YouTube is not a reliable source as any material can be fan-posted with no claims of authenticity. The only exceptions are when information is posted by a reliable source close to the subject matter; in this case, only YouTube channels run by Universal Music Group, U2, and possibly Live Nation would apply. The article is currently nominated for Featured Article; no random speculation or unverified information can be added from this point on. Also, please sign your talk page comments with tildes (~) . MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, I can have an account myself and put some song calling it U2's. Unless its an official channel like U2's or Universal Music, etc, Youtube isnt reliable sorry. That channel looks like its a fan's and its their viewpoint when they say the song is 100% U2. Suede67 (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey!
Haven't talked to you in a while. I've seen you've been doing some things at NLOTH and minor things on other SP pages. When would you like to start on Eyes Open? I guess you want to make AHMS first a Featured article. RichV (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Little Doses
As I am quickly sneaking, I thought I'd ask if you'd seen this photostream from Flickr of Little Doses: Probably you already acquired it; but in case, I thought I'd show you. Check the whole photostream, as it isn't the only photo, and there may be more photos more suitable to your plans, if they are open to allowing us to use them, and they would not be deletable because their photos if all works out, and they use [Creative Commons]] in Wikimedia Commons- which I'm gonna force you to learn, it's so simple in exchange for me learning sound clips, etc (but my pick) from you, OK? Then we'll rule the WORLD!! HAhaaahaaaa! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahahaha!!!! Sure, but I dont want the Little Doses article ti have a pic just yet, it isnt stable enough, you know the lack of proper refs. Lets select pics we can use for the future. Suede67 (talk) 14:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Peer review
OK, I may have overreacted. It seems that by "about time" you actually meant "Whew, just in time", or something like that. I have struck my cross comment (it's been a bad day). I don't know what the 10 day limit you have in mind is; anything sent to peer review will eventually get reviewed, but depending on the size of the backlog it may take a while, sometimes well over 10 days. Brianboulton (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Butting in here - the bot will archive peer reviews that have had no comments after 14 days. Reviews that have no comments after 4 days are listed on the backlog, which is how Brianboulton found your request. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Suede67 (talk) 19:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

New section
E-mail alert! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: FA
I really hope so; all the fixes make a lot of sense I think. The content is already there, it just needs moving around and such. Probably a good call on your part too, since you've had some active involvement in the writing of the article. Thanks for fixing those dead links, by the way. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 18:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well there's one support and no opposes, so I'm not sure what's going on. I doubt it'll fail yet, but FAC's can go anywhere from a week to a month. I posted on Ealdgyth's talk page after Axver replied about U2Gigs (I'm glad I was able to contact him through Twitter), and again earlier today since it's been a few days and they haven't checked to see if their concerns have been addressed. It says on FAC (or another FA* page) that if you respond to a reviewer, let them know you've responded, and they don't take a look after that notification, you can say so in the FAC. I might do that in a few days since I'll have contacted them twice since Axver's reply. The only other thing I can do is wait and hope some other editors take a look at it very soon. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe 36 hours, =P. In all fairness, they were away recently (or at least they had a Wikibreak template up), so it may be that they're still catching up with other FAs in the time they have online. PS, I really like this new editor, CrazyTonight. They seem really eager to improve the articles anyway they can, especially the List of covers of U2 songs one! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Me too; they've got a lot of enthusiasm, that's for sure. He/she (not sure which one they are yet, :P) seemed really glad to learn about the reference templates too. I'm really glad they added the info about the Achtung Baby album Live 2006. I got it from iTunes and it's incredible. Elevation Tour "The Fly", Zoo TV "Running to Stand Still" and "Where the Streets Have No Name", and Lovetown Tour "Bullet the Blue Sky", and they're all incredible musicians. It's the best tribute album I've ever listened to. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, hope you don't mind the slight alteration I made to the to-do list. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I'm thanking all the good folks who are tending to the Derek Trucks and The Derek Trucks Band articles. It might seem there's not enough information on the members of Derek's band, but if anyone can help, there's a whole lot on NPR and other places. I really appreciate it; my computer won't connect to the internet, and this is a quick on the sly use of my old man's computer, and I can't spend the time I'd like on it. Perhaps next week it'll be fixed. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can help, but I need time. And no need to thank you me! Haha. Suede67 (talk) 19:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

FAC
Not looking good; it's been a week since the user with concerns over source reliability has responded, and SandyGeorgia seems to be concerned about TUF-KAT's support. =S Urgh. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and with good reason, I cant blame SandyGeo to be completely honest. But what is irritating me that they arent taking the FAC forward, as if without TUF-KAT, it cant. I'll read the FAC myself right now, and see if I can put any points forward asserting the validity of the sources you chose. I dont think we can let this go any stale, already, no editor seems interested. Suede67 (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks good, cheers. The thing that really frustrates me most is that the user (can't remember offhand how to spell their name) hasn't checked back after a full week, even though I've contacted them several times. They've been editing too, so it's not like it's from inactivity. The Times is undoubtedly infinitely more reliable than Consequence of Sound, so I'll be changing that link. As far as I'm concerned, that was the last real problem with the sources. I've always considered U2Gigs a reliable source, as have most of the members of the U2 WikiProject at some point or another. And I really don't know how anyone can call Mojo unreliable; it's as big as Rolling Stone in Britain. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I meant the other editor; the one who brought it up. Ealdgyth I think? Anyways, they've just responded. Looks like they still don't think U2Gigs and Mojo are reliable, but it's up to other editors to decide it seems. I don't think we will find an alternative source for the Mojo references, since they were exclusive interviews. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Better keep it safe I suppose; remove the "mojo4music/blog" refs except the exclusives (if there are any left, I've changed one), and use U2Gigs for performances only? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay; the two edits I made were just substituting for two other sources that contain the same information. I won't touch the exclusive interviews. I will try to change the U2Gigs ones in relation to the French TV and Radio broadcasts, but leave the performances.
 * It looks good, and I think it's a strong argument. I do hope that addresses the concerns about notability and reliability. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 15:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks; guess it's just down to the Mojo sources now. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Soundbite?
I just spent 30 min. with suggestions and wording changes for parts of the Eyes Open Tour and found you had also gone there and I lost my writing due to edit conflict. Hopefully the computer tech. will call back now, cause 30 minutes doing Wikipedia stuff goes by so fast, you don't even have time to focus. My request is, one singer Lisa Fischer, has been singing as the female backup singer for the Rolling Stones, and toured with Luther Vandross before he died too. In addition, she won a Grammy Award for her own music on an album. She is beautiful and can sing so high she reaches the whistle register. Would you help make a clip of this version of "Gimme Shelter" from the Rolling Stones' DVD from 1995 (I think). The album, a takeoff from MTV's Unplugged is called Stripped. I think the section of the song to show this would be on You Tube here: I would keep the clip from 2:41-3:07. It would go on her page, demonstrating her singing ability-- almost nobody can sing that high, and also on the page for whistle register if it exists. If you haven't heard this one yet, at the least, I think you'd enjoy it.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh damn! Btw, dont worry about Eyes Open Tour, I do want to do fixes soon, just need time. Its ok enough for now I think. I'll take care of all tags you left. And yes, I'll make the clip! I'll let you know when Im done. Suede67 (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have always loved "Gimme Shelter" and this version is INCREDIBLE to say the least. Spirited performance! I have uploaded the clip, see Lisa Fischer and Whistle register. Suede67 (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

New album
We all know about the reworked album. But this interview says something about an album in 2010. Is that the reworked album or a brand new one? 23:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You have a point, its utterly confusing. From what I can make all of this, there will be:

1. The late night tales album 2. A compilation to accompany the RW Tour 3. "Just Say Yes" as the single and only NEW song on the compilation 4. An entirely new studio album in 2010, when they finish touring. Suede67 (talk) 23:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't expected a new SP album, because of Gary's projects. But I'm not complaining! 15:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Same here! I just hope they dont rush it. Also, I read somehwere the Listen... Tanks! album will see a digital release on 29 Dec 09, not sure if its official. SO MUCH to look forward too! Maybe Tired Pony will be released around the same time. Gary did say he has all the songs finished. Suede67 (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I really hope a critical and commercial success album. They better don't rush it, Gary's going to get really tired if they keep up this pace. 16:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

U2 Genre discrepancy
Suede67:

Greetings. I see we have been changing the genre for U2's "I'll Go crazy...." single from rock to poprock to rock and so forth. The term "pop rock" is often used in derogatory terms, and the wikipedia section on this term mentions it is less authentic than rock music. REM's single "shiny happy people" is labeled "alternative rock", which I consider an ambiguous term, but not offensive or derogatory. I propose we find a middle ground and label the song's genre "alternative rock".

Best regards,

Replikhant (talk) 18:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh! I just replied on Melicans' page, I noticed your message there. Suede67 (talk) 18:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to barge in, but can I suggest that we keep all the discussion centered on one page to make it easier? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha! Thats the same reason I directed Replikhant to your talk page. Suede67 (talk) 19:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Absence
I'm not sure exactly when I'll have access again. I'll probably be on as late as the 3rd, but after that it's just a guessing game. I'm hoping that it won't be more than a couple of days, but it depends on what company we go with, and when they're able to set us up. I need it for school though, so it shouldn't be a particularly long time. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Just Say Yes
I saw Blue Leach is going to direct the video of Just Say Yes on your sandbox. But the source doesn't say that, or am I missing something. Cool though that he also directed the Road to Revolution: Live at Milton Keynes dvd, he really did a great job on that. 14:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Source does say that! Check the refs section, its explained. Suede67 (talk) 15:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Saw it. Thanks. 15:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: one offs
I found this here from a sister Wikipedia: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/one-off

As I surmised, the expression "one-off" is used primarily outside the United States. I looked it up when I heard an Elton John video performance in which he said he was doing a "one off" performance, and plenty of American You Tube listeners left notes wondering what that was. I rest my case. (LOL!) Still don't have my computer fixed properly and of all things it's the Windows XP installer (which I lost the disk for it a couple years ago when I bought this thing) and the Microsoft.net Framework (both deal with images in some way) that's f*cked up. So... you're on your own for the week, it seems-- not that you need me! Quite the contrary. I've noticed work you've done for Derek Trucks. Thanks, thanks!!! I owe you! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha! Yes I used one-off because I saw it used quite often. I often "learn" new words and phrases, as Eng. isnt my first language. And you dont owe me nothing. It took some 15 minutes to put the template up, no biggie. Get back soon! Suede67 (talk) 17:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah? But I love you anyway! I'll try! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

New request
I found a better version of Tala 'Al-Badru 'Aleyna-- it is clearer, and would be far better in representing Cat Stevens/Yusuf: It's not just clearer, but gives the name of the album, etc. on it. Perhaps you can replace a cut from it with just Yusuf's voice singing and put it in place of the other clip you made? I know it's a lot to ask.. but I'm getting to see how YouTube clips aren't as clear. What do you think? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just reheard your initial clip of the song, and it's clear. Don't fret over this one, please. I'm an idiot. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, im confused, you now said the initial version is clearer, so should I put the new one?! (You're not an idiot, I too fret over small things on stuf I edit. Everything should be very perfect right? Suede67 (talk) 02:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. Perfectionism (especially in an encyclopedia) is really important. Will you listen to the version on the URL I put at the start of this section here, and then the one you made for the Cat Stevens article? Just in case you think this other version would make a cleaner sounding clip instead? I think now that probably they both are about equal. What do you think? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Nathan
Hi, thanks for your note. You may have seen that I added Nathan Connolly to the list on the page Nathan (given name) as well as removing him from the disambiguation page Nathan. Perhaps it would have helped if I had mentioned the Name page in my edit summary.

The policy on listing people on disambiguation pages is set out at MOS:DABNAME. I think you will accept that this Nathan is not as universally understood by the single name alone as, say, Elvis or Shakespeare. Hope this helps! - Fayenatic (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

This is the place!
Remember when I said I needed to get my ass in gear, because the Derek Trucks Band had listed the Wikipedia on it's website? You asked me where and I couldn't remember. Well it's at [ just look to the right hand side where each member has blogs. Owch! And I can't even get a decent band photo of them all together. I had to settle for single photos of each and sprinkle them through that article.--[[User:Leahtwosaints|Leahtwosaints]] (talk) 22:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I see now. And why isnt there a good photo of all members in existence? Seems strange. Suede67 (talk) 02:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't find a good photo of all of the band members together! I see more of Susan Tedeschi, Trucks' wife in photos with him than I do of some of the band members! (Drummers in particular are hard to find good pics). I had asked my photographer buddy in Florida to get me some pictures of the whole band (Carl Lender: his best friend is Derek's Dad) but both Susan & Derek's bands have been traveling overseas. It's driving me insane! Got any ideas? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Snow Patrol
I'm following you on the new album section! Plus, I have uploaded Eyes Open. Just to keep you updated. 23:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Bacchus87 (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Gary's Article
You think, I should rewrite the article? You know, dear Suede, my brain is English grammar technically constantly in holiday ;) (That is what I fear to write like a primary school kid). But yeah, I would - if you would do at least the spell check. Have you some recommendations what is furthermore to add? Furthermore I will ask Jacqui if she has an originally self-shot pic of him what we can use here in Wiki. Hope you are well :) hugs x --/ whoever99 11:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Snow Patrol - Crack The Shutters US Chart Position
The US chart position for Crack The Shutters (#111) could previously be found on Billboard.com (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3102602&cdi=10039412&cid=11%2F15%2F2008) where i found it, but the link doesn't work after they redesigned the Billboard page. The Billboard Hot 100 is sometimes listed to longer than 100 when you add the 25 songs that make up the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles, that way Crack The Shutter is listed as # 111 on the the chart. On Crack The Shutters wiki page the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart entry (#11) is listed in the charts section. Crack The Shutters peaked at number 11 (= #111) on Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 on the chart published for the week ending for November 15, 2008.

As the Billboard link won't work at the moment i searched the web and could only find two discussion forums (buzzjack.com and atrl.net) about Billboard charts where it's mentioned that Crack The Shutters made number 11 on the Bubbling Under chart, which makes it 111 on the "big chart".

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82200&mode=threaded

http://atrl.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-38731-p-61.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kai81 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Failed FAC
Not exactly back yet; I'm at University right now, but should have full internet access set up at my apartment by the 12th. I did see your above comment a moment ago; even Neutral comments are taken into account by the three people who oversee FAC, and they may have a hand in passing or failing an article. It's disappointing, but we take it to another Peer Review and then nominate again a while later. The sources were checked and, with the exception of that Mojo source, all were judged to fit the FA criteria. I think I know how to take care of that too. My biggest concern throughout the process was with the image and audio rationales. Once those are altered/fixed, we'll be back on our way. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I sent you email
I sent you an email about your idea, and other stuff. [shrug]. I was there, after all! ;) Your lazy friend, --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Havent received any email yet! Suede67 (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice ideas for special pages
Hi S- I don't know if you ever checked out many of the musicians from New Zealand/Australia-- Split Enz (For whom I found the band page, isn't the best, but I noticed that about 5 different language Wikipedias are using it), and Crowded House (again, I got the band page, this one is really good).. but it's the special effects things that are worth looking at, and check out the discography pages! There's a great panel of people's faces, real elaborate in Split Enz, and check out the panel at the bottom of the page listing songs, etc. like the one you made for Derek Trucks! See how it opens up to show the dates in the lineup chronology? Do you think you can figure out how to do that? Also, there's some adjusting in the photos midway in the Crowded House page.. maybe you can help with that someday. There are a couple other band pages with really creative stuff (more advanced than these, I meant to point them out but don't remember which at the moment- it's driving me crazy- I'll eventually remember them though. :) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ys the ideas are really nice, but i have seen that colors are dissuaded in FLCs, I came across one, almost every reviewer frowned upon it, and eventually the FLC failed. They like it if the discography page follows the manual of style (MOS) of existing featured discographies, so sadly i cannot use these styles.

And the the band page, the way of putting every band member's face idea is nice, but i have come across instances where people werent in favor of it, i think because too many pics on an article isnt good, i think that was the reason. not sure, so if you also try to do these things, be careful, you wouldnt want hard work to go waste, but thats for your note! Suede67 (talk) 22:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you know the banner you made for the Derek Trucks articles? That you said only took like, a half hour? Ok, look again at the banner at the bottom of the page, on Split Enz. I'm not asking you to do this, but just want to know if you could-- See where it says Line Up, and you can click where it says show, and when you do that, you can see who played the instruments during certain years! Check it out! It might be a neat trick for Snow Patrol, or whatever other band pages you might edit in the future (Rolling Stones-- perfect example, a band where some members were replaced, Brian Jones, or Mick Taylor, for example). I think it's a really cool trick, and keeps the page neater. Forget the colors!--Leahtwosaints (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh! Now I understand, you meant this template, right? Yep, Rolling Stones would be a great example, but the lineups are mentioned here, same with Snow Patrol here. Also, if you want me to do this for DTB, i will, but i need the lineups from you, i dont know that much anout DTB, can you compile and email me? I read the article, and its not entirely clear which member joined when. So help me out! Suede67 (talk) 01:51, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I hear you. That's something I'll have to look over. (Meaning I'm not even sure and am lazy. Plus all our internet cut off all yesterday for the 3rd time now. Ahhh!) But if it's difficult or time consuming, tell me. I keep forgetting, b/c Man, you can do anything!! I would love to see your IQ scores one day!--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no, i just learnt this by seeing code, its not that hard. Its NOT difficult or time consuming, so dont worry. But why is your internet being cut off? Suede67 (talk) 23:14, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Snow Patrol
Cheers for the heads up, well done on all the work you've put in! :D GARDEN  21:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Your Idea!
Hey S-- I got a reply from the photographer on Flickr who took the photo, he wants to know what will be done with it. I offered to email it to him --is it OK? And can I give him your email address? I spoke in my reply that it's beautiful, and mean it, but it's Flickr email so I'm begging him to write me in Yahoo. His name is Al de Man on Flickr. (Get yourself a F%*cking Flickr account, heck, you already got a Yahoo one.) And no, I don't mind doing the convincing for you ever, it's just for stuff like this! Your loving servant,--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No its ok you emailed it to him, it'd only make things more clear. Any why do I need a flickr account anyway?! :) Suede67 (talk) 23:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well dear, he gave his consent, but his image is no longer in Flickr since he couldn't afford to keep many photos in his account. YOU will now have to figure out how to get the license changed from the current one to the free one, so, after my begging & groveling, he began an email account, and I'm sending his response to you so you can work that issue out. If you don't know how, then, ask Spinning Spark, or others. IOW, look in your email account. :) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, what did he say exactly? What are we allowed to do with the pic, anything? Has he released it in public domain? I mean, I read the email, its not exactly clear, he says he's happy or us to use it, does that mean he wont mind us changing the license to which we please? I'm changing it to GDFL now manually, and see what happens. Please add the commons page of the pic to your watchlist also. Suede67 (talk) 07:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Disregard most of what I said, my second email should explain everything. Suede67 (talk) 07:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent No Line on the Horizon edits
Made solely from the failed FAC. The Mojo link has been addressed; I found an alternate source (possibly the original before the blog reprinted it), which I labelled a reprint since it is not hosted on the Mojo site. There were no problems with other "reprints", so I hope this will solve that issue. Even if it is not the same (though I doubt that; how many exclusives to Mojo can be made on the same day?), I checked and it contains the same information, so we are covered on that front. I do agree with that one reviewer that the recording image was nothing more than eye-candy. Since there's really no justification for keeping it's inclusion, I've replaced it with the blockquote a few paragraphs below, and re-added the original quote that I removed for the sound sample.
 * Good then.

Speaking of sound samples, I looked over the rationales for File:U2whiteassnow.ogg and File:U2nloth.ogg. I think the specific rationale for the latter covers our base nicely, but the rationale for the "White as Snow" sample seems to apply only to the song's article. I'd like to keep it, but we need a rationale that will let us use it in the No Line on the Horizon article too. Any ideas?
 * I see what you mean, let me think for a while, if I come up with anything i'll tell you.

I think that rationale is the last thing we need to do, since everything else checked out during the Peer Review and Candidacy (alt text, structure, flow, etc.) Once it's done we can take it back to Peer Review, and then wait a little while before renominating for FA. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, lets PR it again.


 * Welcome back! Suede67 (talk) 00:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I almost forgot: video from U2. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 00:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh so you went to see U2 in the meantime? Was it fun? The song is If There's a Rocket Tie Me to It. Suede67 (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, September 16 in Toronto; I had to go all the way back from Ottawa for it, but it was worth it. Loads of pics (two of them just added to the 360 article), and two other vids (though the quality in those is just as bad). I worked out that one of my friend's textbooks is worth three U2 GA tickets. Can you believe that? I know which one I'd pick... MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 00:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, sounds great. The pics are nice, expecially the unf. fire. Incredible capture!Suede67 (talk) 01:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A lucky one; my camera isn't brilliant, and most of my shots have random hands sticking into the air =P. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha!! You could move these pictures to commons, well archived. Suede67 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 16:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With the work done on the Composition section, I think the rationale for the "White as Snow" clip now applies. The article mentions "Veni, veni Emmanuel" in detail, so we should be good on that front! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Another PR then, before the FLC? Btw, theres problem with my connection here. so I'll be away. Not sure when it will be ok, good luck! Suede67 (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Feel like a clip?
If so, the Tupac Shakur article lost it's GA-ranking, and can really use some demonstrative music. I'd love to see "Dear Mama" on the page. If you can get a clearer sound than You Tube, be my guest! Here's the song page: and let's see.. thats the You Tube one, and there may be a better link to the song on his article in the infobox on his page-- it has flash, and my battered computer won't open the page. As to what part of the song, I'd say, you decide. Leave some of his rap in it. Maybe a part that goes from the rap to the theme song or vice versa? Do this only if you have time. I know you're working harder right now. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 14:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, i'll notify you when done. Suede67 (talk) 18:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no, its better you tell me what to clip, i've listened to it multiple times and have no idea what should i cut. Suede67 (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)