User talk:Sdpjswl/Archive 4

Re: Clayton
I found an image on Commons that I think fits the bill; File:Adam Clayton rdblk.jpg. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I put the full image into the infobox before I replied to your message :P. I think it works better than the old one, with no crop needed. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

LS
Look what I've done: I added the quote. Is it possible to add this to the En LS page because i cannot find a ref. 22:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Satisfaction
You know I've been hunting these photos for like two years? But now they are here and cleared Commons.: (This means two of the three photos of Taylor I secured-- mearly all the black and white pics of The Who, and others. Also: It's here for good! Finally! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Glad you figured out the problem with Lisa's pic. Suede67 (talk) 13:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

My Brother
I honestly, I love you for jumping into the fray, and helping my cranky and very twisted mind. I just had a couple of years of B.S. from Commons and could not stand any more, even, sadly, when it came to a time when others were trying to explain their bizarre system (to me it's bizzzzzzzzare!, OK?). I sent a message to Sssoul already, but you saw what was bothering me. Today I did go back and put photos I uploaded in categories. As long as you'll make the damn categories, I'm fine putting them in there. Oh. Two requests: One, the photo for Jill Sobule needs cropping off the top if ever you find the time (you'll see it's unbalanced), and does this seem strange, two pics on the same page? If so, can you fix it? Thanks.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 20:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem!!! I cropped the Jill pic. and made the category and added all 3 Jill pics there, you may find it. I am clueless about the Joe Camilleri pic though, i dont know how the bot did it, maybe it was an error. You should leave a msg to the bot's creator and ask about it first. Suede67 (talk) 23:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Record and song pages
S-- Will you teach me how to really put together an album page (and if possible) a song page. Also a good discography page. I honestly don't know where you look to find the varied sources and scores that grade the album! Next time you embark upon one, or a discography, would you please keep me in the loop of what you do, how you approach it, and where you find info, you know, each step as you move along. Maybe keep a list in your sandbox, like, 1. started new page, with title and infobox I found _____<-(here). Then, 2. How you fill up the infobox or if you set up the outline of the article. That's the first thing I look at, anyway, the framework of where everything will go. Yours are honestly the benchmark of approaching all that stuff, wouldn't be hard for me to learn once I've seen it in actual progress. What do you say?

I don't know what I can offer in return except to devote myself from this point on when you want any proofreading, copyediting requests you have, and not put it off. I'm sorry I wasn't reliable with that, I'm sorry. I also put together "request templates", sort of like canned requests for people's photos on Flickr, and also follow-up canned instructions as to removing copyrights and links explaining Creative Commons and Wikimedia Commons, should they choose to upload themselves. Also convincing answers if they are nervous. It is not easy to get people to give up their copyright, so I think it'd be helpful to you too. I keep it in my email drafts and am about to revamp them, in case you wish to use the wording too, and just need to make changes to the second one, as to "how" to upload the photo, since Commons has changed things again.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 12:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You have mail! Suede67 (talk) 13:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Taking back the cities
Hm, there were some problems with the longer articles and lag. Consider it done. Rich Farmbrough, 20:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC).

File:Spdrumskin.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Spdrumskin.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. (ESkog)(Talk) 15:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

2nd Peer Review
Tons of suggestions for lots of little things were brought up. I didn't even know about some of the grammar things, so that was really helpful. Just a couple of things left to check out and then I think it'll be ready for a second FAC. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:39, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not even know this was happening. Great job! Suede67 (talk) 00:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for categorizing
I noticed in Commons you categorized a couple of the images I uploaded (there were like, ten or so I did in the last couple of days). For some reason when you follow Spinningspark's manual upload info, the same boxes to be filled in appear that you described ''including the little (+) sign for categories, but sometimes the categories don't stay for some photos and they do for the rest. Weird. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 10:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, commoms is probably riddled with ghosts of past wikipedians :) Suede67 (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Dabomb87 (talk) 04:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you show how this is done?
ON The Who's album, Tommy, I was thinking of possible ways to show other views of the album cover. There are different views of the cover here: How would you deal with putting two covers on the page? I've no clue. Same is true for other albums by the Who. See here:. Any ideas? I'm stumped. ?
 * Also, is it possible to trim the photo of Rhett Butler?--Leahtwosaints (talk) 10:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Rhett Butler pic, theres nothing to be trimmed, what do you have in mind? Well there are cropped versions on the same pic on commons link, maybe those will help? And I know how to add multiple album covers to the infobox. You mean like its done on this article, right? See this link. Is it clear, just copy that in the MISC section on the tommy infobox. Suede67 (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

You gonna buy this cockatoo?
Hey Suede, I was wondering if I could possibly hit you up for another audio sample? I just created an article for "Breathe", and I think an audio sample could benefit it. I was thinking maybe 1:34 to 2:03 would work (since the song is 5:00 exactly that's just within the 10%/30 second range) because that part includes the lyric "16th of June", which is used in the song (and noted in the article text) as being a direct homage to James Joyce's novel Ulysses. What do you think? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, I just stumbled on the new article today and was going to congratulate you later, its great. Nice job. BTW, if you're interested, you could try for a DYK. Suede67 (talk) 04:50, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahah, already ahead of you on that one, =P It didn't take me as long to write the article as I thought, actually. An hour and a half to two hours I think. When I get motivated, I can do anything! =P Oh, by the way, I closed the second Peer Review earlier today; I think I'll be nominating for FA again sometimes next weekend (since I have a lot of essays and such due during the week that I need to start; Gulp). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * HAHAHA!! Anyway, i hope this FA gets passed. Good luck to you. I'll be watching. Suede67 (talk) 05:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep you informed of any developments when it is =). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, Sir!!! Suede67 (talk) 05:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was fast! Thanks so much! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! I just hope the rationales are in order. Suede67 (talk) 05:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they are; I added two more relevant specific rationales to be extra-safe, and I think those will work. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * es I saw them, all good. Suede67 (talk) 05:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Link archives
Oh wow, that's excellent! I've tried using webarchive in the past, but never with any luck. This really is a God-send; I'll have to get that all done before the FA drive too, and there are some other articles I can think of which would really benefit from this... MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I will do, thanks. I wish I'd known about these two before now, they could have been so useful on some older articles I can think of. Man, this is a real boon! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox
You know, I very nearly gave you a vandalism warning before I realized who it was who had dropped the link in there. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * LoL, i hope i didnt piss you off. Suede67 (talk) 20:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You did at first when I saw the edit conflict, but it was indeed worth a sentence in Composition (and in the tour article, for that matter). So no real harm done to that end. =) MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry! i didnt realize you were actually editing at that point, but in case of a conflict, your version is safely shown below, so you can always copy paste. Suede67 (talk) 20:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, I was lucky enough to remember that, =P (usually I forget). Next time the talk page might be a bit better of a place though ;) MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll remember that when i set out vandalising next time :) Cheers. Suede67 (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Woot, "Unknown Caller" is up; I think it's my best one yet, and longer than both the "Breathe" and "White as Snow" articles. In fact, it may be the best of all six so far in terms of developmental information. Going for a DYK with this one as well. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You're on a roll!!! Great work! Suede67 (talk) 04:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, I've started another one (same place) on "Stand Up Comedy" now; feel free to join in; as I say, my next week is extremely busy so it probably won't be ready until the week after anyways. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, can you leave a list of links that you wish to incorporate? I'll use them to write. Suede67 (talk) 05:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahah, for the Composition I usually pluck it from NLOTH (done) and re-word it (not done) so it flows together nicely, then go through the other references in NLOTH for any scrap details I can scrounge up, such as a quote or an unmentioned detail on song structure. Then in the Reception section I generally go through the 10 infobox reviews, plus the ones in the Reception area such as Uncut and Pitchfork. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 06:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright! I'll try and see what I can do, i'll copy-edit (if needed) now, and start writing another section. if anything on compositions is required, you attend to it, so they're no clashes. Suede67 (talk) 06:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I was way off in my guess of how long it would take. I've started on Fez next. Though I've got to ask; you managed to find the information on what scale the song was played in through that Music Notes thing. Any chance you might be able to find the same information for the other NLOTH song article through that service? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, i dont have any knowledge about notes actually, so I only wrote (on your sandbox) what I could make out. I will look for other U2 songs on it no problem, but you can also install the software, it'll only be temporary, you can uninstall it as soon as you finish the articles. But i will check out other NLOTH songs on it, and put the key/ranges etc whatever I find on the articles. Suede67 (talk) 06:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, on the DYK nom for "Stand Up Comedy", I put you down as a co-contributor since you helped build it in my sandbox, so you should get credit for that when it eventually appears on the front page. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, you didnt need to do that, I didnt even add the "hook" that you must have used for it, that's very kind, thanks! Suede67 (talk) 19:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Pasadena
I assume you've seen the news by now about the DVD shoot and live YouTube streaming? Are you going to watch it? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No i havent! Enlighten me! Suede67 (talk) 05:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 25 October (this Sunday) the band are filming their concert in Pasadena for a DVD release. However they are also streaming the concert live over YouTube, starting at 8:30 PM Pacific time. It will be the first time a concert has ever been streamed live on YouTube. I can't wait for it, though it means I'll be up very late (I don't know what time zone you're in, but an 8:30 PM local time start means an 11:30 PM start for me). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 06:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice, i'll try see if i'm free at that time. Btw Snow Patrol have also screened their concerts live in the past, but never on youtube. So great for people who cant make it to the venue. Suede67 (talk) 06:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well actually, I guess whether you can see it or not depends on where you live. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 06:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * India, yes, possible! Suede67 (talk) 06:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

AFD Discussion
Hello, you may be interested to know that a U2-related article has been nominated for deletion at Articles for Deletion. As an editor of U2-related articles, you may be interested in participating in the discussion. The full deletion discussion can be found here. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

FAC #2
As you may have noticed, No Line on the Horizon has just been put up for it's second FAC. Woot. I've been busy the last hour or so backing up all the URLs with the exceptions of atu2 reprints and u2wanderer, since those last forever. I've got over 80 of them done, but I'm wiped right now. Would you be able to finish up for me, or get some of it out of the way? All that's left are the three charts, everything else is done. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn, looks like ref #112 (all of the Spanish album chart data) is dead; actually, it looks like the whole Promusicae site is down. Can you help me try and find a fix for it? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! I'll get to the sites from ref 82. Seems you have atchived the sites before that. Suede67 (talk) 08:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw, you add the archived link, archiving date etc fields in the cite template manually?? It's too much work that way. Any easier way? I use the cite button on the toolbar, but it doesnt have those options. Suede67 (talk) 08:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * URLs now archived. I left out some that i;ve seen last foever, like the Hung medien sites. Also most of the billboard ones werent happening properly. But i think its fine because they just revamped the site. So this can be expected to last. Suede67 (talk) 09:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is an easier way unfortunately. Luckily it didn't take too long to do! Cheers for getting those ones done, it's much appreciated. I only hope we can find and fix ref #112... MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, took a max of 10 mins. Good luck on the FLC. Suede67 (talk) 14:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks like the sources all check out this time (so far anyways)! That's one big hurdle down I think. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes!!! The issues they're suggesting now are quite trivial, nothing as major as to come in the way of support. Suede67 (talk) 19:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Assuming that no further issues are raised about the sources by any other editors, I think that the only other possible obstacle is the rationale for the two audio clips, which have both been expanded upon since the last FAC. There were no prose issues last time around, alternate text is present in each image, and just about every link has been archived, so even if the original sources are taken down the information will remain. I'm definitely feeling more hopeful this time around (let's call it cautiously optimistic ;)). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, be very optimistic, it will surely pass! Suede67 (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem on Snow Patrol external links
Thanks for your message. I assumed you were acting in good faith. And now I'm sure you are. Cheers! Piano non troppo (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Songs
Cheers; I don't actually read music too well myself, but I'll try to incorporate it somehow. Hope you're back in time for the concert! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping so, 9 am in the morning. Suede67 (talk) 21:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

UK
Hello Northern Ireland and Scotland are constituents of the United Kingdom. This information should be listed per Template:Infobox musical artist: (City, State/Province, Country). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Templates are guidelines, not policy. Listing "UK" or "United Kingdom" after one of the constituent countries is optional; normally, the highest government location, followed by the name of the constituent country, is correct, eg, Liverpool, England.  Listing a place as "Bristol, UK" or "Glasgow, United Kingdom", eg, is wrong.   R ad io pa th y  •talk•   02:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Track listings Is it necessary to leave them uncollapsed? No. I personally prefer it and I think it is better for the reader, but it's arbitrary (as far as I'm aware) and if you really want it collapsed, I won't fight you on it; it's more a matter of taste than anything else. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Help, computer king!
I've left you alone, realizing you'd be busy with Snow Patrol stuff since you said they're touring. (NOT ignoring you!) Wanted to know if you could help me with a few things: and Jerry Jemmott I know it's a whole lot to ask you. Some is super simple for you in a minute or two. The rest would be great whenever you can get to it. Can you help me? -the Grammar Goddess --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please make a couple Categories in Commons for me? They'd be-
 * 1) Session musicians including photos of Waddy Wachtel, Pino Palladino, Steve Jordan, David Lindley
 * 1) Need a Category for Swiss Hard rock musicians! In fact, can you check and see if there are Categories for Singer-Songwriters?
 * 2) Need a category for Slide guitarists: Ry Cooder, Sonny Landreth, Derek Trucks, Lowell George, Mick Taylor, Warren Haynes
 * 3) Need a Category for multi-instrumentalists: David Lindley would be highly appropriate for this! Not to mention all kinds of musicians!
 * I don't understand when you told me on my talk page to fill out a template and place it on top of the image to be deleted. There are quite a few I uploaded twice by accident, since the bot was so slow, or cause I was in my first couple of weeks learning how. One is an unused copy in red of Derek Trucks you placed in his gallery!
 * How do I find my sandbox that you created for me?
 * Would you be willing to archive everything on my talk page for me but the little template at the top with the WP information?

Re:This made me laugh
He removed all of the Irish Chart data from U2 discography a few days ago, saying it was wrong, and I restored it. So he set about annoying me instead of opening a discussion on the page's talk page. Plus he posted his responses above mine. Plus he posted comments in the middle of his other comments. It was a headache >>. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 13:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Dabomb87 (talk) 12:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Release
Album has been released in Ireland too. link. 00:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You motivated me! link. The personell section irritated me, so I collapsed it. 00:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, I'm cracking up! Suede67 (talk) 00:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

What is the difference?
Here is a photo, taken off the screen at a big ampitheatre of Clarence Clemons, the saxophone player for Bruce Springsteen: Now I want to know why my photo of Jeff Sipe wasn't OK with Commons because someone took a photo from the big monitor screen since he had crappy seats and couldn't see the stage; but here is the same scenario, and yet, THIS photo is OK. I'm serious when I say the people at Commons never hesitate to screw with me.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem, sorry. your pic of jeff sipe is completely fine. was from flickr, so it might have been for review before, it now says review passed. Theres no problem with it nor will it be deleted. Suede67 (talk) 05:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Could be useful.
link 22:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, already used it. Suede67 (talk) 23:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hope this isn't a bother...
...but would you be able to do a sound sample for the "Running to Stand Still" article? I'd do it but I'm useless at cutting audio samples. I was thinking maybe 1:22 to 1:47 would work well for the article if you're able to do it. I know I've asked you to do a lot of these, but it's really been a big help so far. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problemo, when you tell the exact time, half the work is done. But the article for it was redirected right, you creating one now? Suede67 (talk) 03:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, Wasted Time R got it up two or three days ago (and it looks a hell of a lot better than most U2 song articles, I can tell you!). I've made a couple of minor edits, but most of my work on it has been through the talk page :P. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, just checked it, looks brilliant! Uploaded the sample, you should add the specific rationale! Btw i amplified the vol, its normally too low, if its too much, tell me, i'll lessen it. Suede67 (talk) 03:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many many many thanks! I'll get to the specific rationale straight away. No worries about the volume at all; I gave it a listen and it sounds fine. Thanks again! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! Suede67 (talk) 03:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Suede67, thanks very much for the sound clip work! I appreciate it ... Wasted Time R (talk) 03:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you fix this?
No, it's not my botched mistake, but since I haven't tried it yet, someone messed up the "double cover" concept with a record album page here: If you have a minute, think you can fix this? I haven't forgotten to check out the Snow Patrol articles, (trust me) but I had also committed to helping copyedit a bunch of Beatles "satellite articles" and thus, I ran into this. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 03:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind me butting in, but I saw this request and took care of it. For future reference the coding for alternate covers and other atypical parameters for infoboxes can be found at the relevant template; in this case Infobox album. Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Matt! Suede67 (talk) 06:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And Leah, no problem about the grading, take your time. Suede67 (talk) 06:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Just Say Yes
Hi i noticed you dispute some of the corrections i have made to the article. Here is what i've changed and why:
 * 1) It is not encyclopedic to use retailers in the release history, this has been replaced with CD or digital download.
 * 2) release history should contain alternative labels e.g. Interscope is their label in the UK
 * 3) Ultratop/tip is only the chart's provider, you need to distinguish that it is the belgium chart.
 * 4) WP:Songs says under the guidance for the infobox for singles that "the a-side feature should only be used if a significantly different recording is included in the release" This also applies to the b-side and is common practise. You only have to look at some the critically acclaimed single releases on wikipedia to see that none of them include remixes as b-sides.

Additionally im not happy with the statement sourced from the examiner saying that just say yes was written for Gwen Stefani. Nicole Scherzinger said numerous times with sources already in the article that she heard the song from Lightbody and that she was honoured to be given the song. No other source confirms the news that it was originally meant for Stefani. This conflicts with information already in the article. I think it should be removed unless another more conclusive source can be found to back up the claims made by the press-like source.

if you have any more questions i will be glad to explain further. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 13:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC))